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Wednesday, August 14, 2013

The SFWA Board decides

Well, so long as the consideration of the evidence was careful....
After careful consideration of the evidence gathered by the Board-appointed investigator and your response, and in compliance with the existing Massachusetts By-Laws, the approved operations and procedures, and legal counsel, the SFWA Board has unanimously voted for your expulsion from the organization, effective immediately. This has been a difficult decision, but thorough examination of the evidence and the situation makes it clear that this action is necessary to best serve the interests of the organization and its members.

According to our records, you paid for your Lifetime Membership in October of 2002. As this period of time exceeds 10 years, you are not eligible for any pro-rata refund of your dues.

Sincerely,

Steven Gould
President
Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America
I shall attempt to find the wherewithal to soldier on, somehow. I can't honestly say it is the authorial distinction that I would have intentionally sought, but I'm rather proud to be the first SFWA member to be expelled since Stanislaw Lem in 1976.

If you'd like to see the evidence that was so carefully considered by the SFWA Board yourself, you can download the two relevant documents:
And if you're looking for my immediate response, all I can really say is this: rabbits gonna rabbit.

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200 Comments:

Anonymous Peter Garstig August 14, 2013 12:21 PM  

Who would have thought. The 'difficult' decision was voted on 'unanimously'. All those nights of debate...

Blogger Laramie Hirsch August 14, 2013 12:22 PM  

Ridiculous. They were doing everything they COULD to get rid of you. "Careful consideration." Bah.

Anonymous Salt August 14, 2013 12:22 PM  

I'm sure it was a difficult decision for them. Seeing as how it's evident a lifetime in the SFWA is ten years, lucky you they didn't send a bill for over-time usage.

(laughs)

Anonymous Starbuck August 14, 2013 12:23 PM  

Did you have tears fall from your sad, sad, sad eyes?

Do you need a hug?

(Don't look at me)

Anonymous GreyS August 14, 2013 12:23 PM  

Now that it has finally come down, I sure hope there is more fun stuff to come around here regarding the SFWA.

I noticed that in true non-direct-confrontational fashion, Janezi has immediately done this:

John Scalzi ‏@scalzi 2m
I just renewed my @sfwa membership!

Anonymous Stilicho August 14, 2013 12:24 PM  

Will they have another cross dressing party to celebrate?

Anonymous LOL August 14, 2013 12:25 PM  

"to best serve" -- the fuckhead so-called professional writers can't even send a message that doesn't have a split infinitive!

Anonymous realmatt August 14, 2013 12:25 PM  

How much is a lifetime membership? I might become gay soon and I have some great WereFerret ideas.

Will you be pursuing them in court? BANKRUPT THEM

Blogger Lou Antonelli August 14, 2013 12:26 PM  

It took less than three months after I predicted it on my blog. I wonder what took them so long?

Blogger FALPhil August 14, 2013 12:26 PM  

Considering SWFA's increasing lack of relevancy, it's no big loss to you. However, I wish you had recouped some of your lifetime dues investment.

Blogger vandelay August 14, 2013 12:26 PM  

So did you load up on embarrassing/damaging info from the forums to be released in case of your expulsion, a la Snowden?

Anonymous Cluttermonkey August 14, 2013 12:28 PM  

So how will you deal with this sudden and unexpected turn of events Vox?

I for one am very happy that the game is on again. Oh how I do miss the month of July!

Blogger JCclimber August 14, 2013 12:29 PM  

Careful consideration of the possible blowback.
Of course, the "unanimous decision" is pure rabbit talk.

They truly are clueless about how their phrases reveal their true motives and processes. Surprising that a group of professional writers would be so blind to the power of words to reveal such things, but then, they are liberals. Blindness to reality is their stock in trade.

The other night at a church board meeting I voted "nay" on a resolution, to the shock and dismay of a couple of rabbits on the board. Did this because (1) I opposed the resolution. (2) I wanted to show them that the world wouldn't end if we weren't unanimous on every decision.

Anonymous an. observer August 14, 2013 12:31 PM  

"This has been a difficult decision" <--- Biggest lie yet.

Blogger JCclimber August 14, 2013 12:32 PM  

How nice that their expectation of a lifetime membership is that it only last for 10 years.

One of the great beauties of this whole thing is how much anguish and stress you caused the rabbits to feel.

Kind of like the fun one experiences twitting the nose of a formerly attractive woman who has hit the wall. Until it gets boring because they are so predictable.

Anonymous Stilicho August 14, 2013 12:33 PM  

The value you placed upon your membership in the SFWA, as evidenced by your recent candidacy as well as the time and effort you put into your emotional, heart-wrenching struggle to oppose the libelous and unsupported charges brought against you in order to maintain your membership, cannot be easily calculated. The callous decision of the Board to cancel your lifetime membership along with stripping you of the financial value of the same is highly suggestive of a depraved indifference to the harm that would result from their actions. Reducing your dedication and service to the organization to a sentence of "time served" only adds insult to injury.

Anonymous JA August 14, 2013 12:33 PM  

"According to our records, you paid for your Lifetime Membership in October of 2002. As this period of time exceeds 10 years, you are not eligible for any pro-rata refund of your dues."

Lifetime membership = 10 years?

False advertising...

Anonymous DJJ August 14, 2013 12:34 PM  

The domain sfwaleaks.com is available... :)

Blogger GK Chesterton August 14, 2013 12:35 PM  

I'm actually shocked that they didn't return your paid fee. That gives you an opening they shouldn't have given you. From a purely logical perspective that was an atrocious call as it allows you to claim some form of damage (financial loss).

Anonymous Quinn August 14, 2013 12:36 PM  

Sooooo are there any currently publishing members of the SFWA who's work one might miss? Because my first impulse would be to boycott them and encourage others to do the same until SFWA membership becomes a financial kiss of death. Then again with their inability to understand digital publishing trends they're kind of doing that already...

Also, seconding Vandalay and Realmatt's questions, do you have any dirt from the SFWA forums to toss out there now? Is there a plan in place to bankrupt these morons in court over their long list of blatant procedural missteps?

Anonymous S. "Caiaphas" Gould August 14, 2013 12:37 PM  

You know nothing at all! It's better for one lifetime member to be expelled than for the rabbits to feel less rabbity.

Anonymous Gould Hates Nature August 14, 2013 12:37 PM  

...the very thing they claim to hate

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben August 14, 2013 12:37 PM  

Vox, what's your game plan? Are you taking any legal action because this was a complete kangaroo court. From the documentation that I've seen posted here you were clearly railroaded and terminated unjustly. You've got the goods on the organization.

Regardless, SFWA has been discredited and it's time for a new organization to arise that actually cares more about promoting the interests of writers than the interests of fat, ugly feminists with a chip on their shoulders.

Anonymous Curlytop August 14, 2013 12:38 PM  

Stilicho August 14, 2013 12:24 PM
Will they have another cross dressing party to celebrate?

Clearly, that group doesn't need a reason.


Anonymous Stickwick August 14, 2013 12:38 PM  

This has been a difficult decision ...

LOL. Oh, the feigned solemnity. And yet there is truth in that statement: they found it difficult to hasten directly to the inevitable decision in light of the possible consequences. But, in the end, the scorpion always stings the frog.

Anonymous YIH August 14, 2013 12:39 PM  

This post was as predictable as the regular NFL posts come September. They tossed you, I don't see it as any loss for you or even them. The old Groucho Marx quote comes to mind ''I would not be a member of a club that would have someone like me as a member''. Let them march off into the irrelevance they are most certainly headed for.
But hey, if your attorney can snag some cash off them (and maybe even share some of it with you) all the better.

Anonymous JA August 14, 2013 12:40 PM  

They won't refund your money to attempt to buy you off and purchase your silence? Seriously ... what did you pay for your Lifetime Membership, Vox? Wouldn't it be cheaper to just refund a customer their money -- cheaper than litigation?

The fact they went for all... suggests hey are spoiling for a fight.

This isn't the end -- they've made that clear. They drew a line in the sand, and will be going for more. I say this with over 30+ years of negotiation experience. They've kicked you out, kept your money... and will now attempt to shut you up. Be ready.

Blogger JCclimber August 14, 2013 12:40 PM  

Out of curiosity, I finally googled Steven Gould to see his picture and if I had ever read any of his books.
His picture: mega gamma shouts from the ones I've seen.

His books: never read any of them, but did see the movie Jumper. I thought the movie was pretty lame with how beta the main character was, and the villains were pretty cardboard cutout, but figured at the time that was just standard Hollywood crap. Didn't realize the source material was the reason.

Anonymous Jeromus August 14, 2013 12:41 PM  

I guess it is time to start a rival association, Vox.

Anonymous Salt August 14, 2013 12:41 PM  

Come on Vox, lets see the real cruelty artist come out.

Anonymous Peter Garstig August 14, 2013 12:41 PM  

I'm actually shocked that they didn't return your paid fee. That gives you an opening they shouldn't have given you. From a purely logical perspective that was an atrocious call as it allows you to claim some form of damage (financial loss).

Now, that's the obvious thing (as VD mentioned it here on the blog) and possibly the reason they had legal counsel. I suspect that VD mentioning it here on the blog was a tactical move to distract from his overall strategy.

Anonymous VD August 14, 2013 12:42 PM  

Also, seconding Vandalay and Realmatt's questions, do you have any dirt from the SFWA forums to toss out there now?

I have the entire SFWA Forum from 2009. As for dirt, well, you sort of have to read it to believe it. The thing that chiefly leaps out is how boring and petty these people are.

But now that I am no longer bound by confidentiality, I don't see any reason why we shouldn't start a new series here on the blog called Secrets of the SFWA.

Blogger Heuristics August 14, 2013 12:42 PM  

If I were Vox I would put a sign saying "Banned from the SFWA" on the next reprint of any books I had published. Could get a few possible book buyers to take notice.

Blogger Markku August 14, 2013 12:42 PM  

Are you taking any legal action because this was a complete kangaroo court.

It would be stupid to telegraph.

Anonymous Steveo August 14, 2013 12:46 PM  

How about the Science Writers Fiction Association?

Or will that step on the toes of scientific peer review?

Anonymous JA August 14, 2013 12:46 PM  

"I'm actually shocked that they didn't return your paid fee. That gives you an opening they shouldn't have given you. From a purely logical perspective that was an atrocious call as it allows you to claim some form of damage (financial loss)."

Plus Vox now has no legal obligation to keep silent. He should publicly expose all his correspondence with the SFWA board -- as well as everything he has from the SFWA forum.

They hold nothing on him right now. (Which, as I noted above, I find suspicious. That's why I suspect the SFWA board's next move is to some way to shut Vox up - cease & desist orders, libel litigation, etc. If they were truly done with this war, they would have tried to buy Vox off. Clearly, this is just the first move in a wider offensive.)

Anonymous VD August 14, 2013 12:46 PM  

Vox, what's your game plan?

Well, the first thing is to calculate the financial damages, obviously. That's for TPAM to sort out; I prefer to leave that sort of determination up to the experts. Right now, this isn't a major priority given the game, the book, and the Secret Project which is rapidly approaching completion.

I also need to sort out what the time limits on legal action are. I'm not in any particular hurry myself; I still haven't gotten around to dealing with the UK Guardian issue yet, other than getting an admission of factual error from the newspaper.

Anonymous Cluttermonkey August 14, 2013 12:46 PM  

Yes, I for one would like a peak down the rabbit hole for laughs.

Anonymous DJJ August 14, 2013 12:47 PM  

[/i]But now that I am no longer bound by confidentiality, I don't see any reason why we shouldn't start a new series here on the blog called Secrets of the SFWA.[/i]

All of a sudden there was a collective sqeeee in the SFWAverse.

Anonymous Onefiver August 14, 2013 12:48 PM  

SHOCKED!

Blogger Nate August 14, 2013 12:48 PM  

On to more important things then...

***AHEM***

isn't it about time to fire up the VPFL?

Anonymous VD August 14, 2013 12:49 PM  

This isn't the end -- they've made that clear. They drew a line in the sand, and will be going for more.

Of course. I've known that since the Puppinette was discussing how their coffers were full enough to afford a legal battle.

Blogger Lou Antonelli August 14, 2013 12:50 PM  

"I guess it is time to start a rival association..."

There is already an alternative:

http://www.sasswritersgroup.blogspot.com/

Anonymous wuzrobbd August 14, 2013 12:50 PM  

*put a sign saying "Banned from the SFWA" on the next reprint...*


+1

Anonymous Black Rabbit Moan August 14, 2013 12:52 PM  

Theodore Beale
Got us exposure
At least for now
We got da closure.

Anonymous Stilicho August 14, 2013 12:53 PM  

isn't it about time to fire up the VPFL?

Seconded

Anonymous Beau August 14, 2013 12:54 PM  

If I were Vox I would put a sign saying "Banned from the SFWA" on the next reprint of any books I had published. Could get a few possible book buyers to take notice.

I would agree with you, Heuristics, except I think Expelled from the SFWA has a nicer ring to it.

Anonymous gleeful SFWA member August 14, 2013 12:54 PM  

I thought you were all "lawyered up" to fight back with an immediate counter-attack?

Now you're making excuses? Sure, you'll "get around" to it...

Meanwhile the score is SFWA 1, racist homophobes 0.

Scoreboard says: Dipshit is all bullshit.

Anonymous Peter Garstig August 14, 2013 12:55 PM  

isn't it about time to fire up the VPFL?

Why? I'd like to go down as the last VPFL champion...but then, I'd like to kick your collective asses one more time.

Bring it on!

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 August 14, 2013 12:57 PM  

isn't it about time to fire up the VPFL?

Also, if there are any VPFL alums from the past couple of seasons that won't be playing in it this season, on account of not having won it, there are a couple of Alum league slots open.
Email me at deerintheheadlights66 AT yahoo DOT com for more info/an invite.

Anonymous VD August 14, 2013 12:57 PM  

I thought you were all "lawyered up" to fight back with an immediate counter-attack?

My lawyer always works for me. What's the hurry? If we filed tomorrow, I doubt it would get before a judge within 18 months. It took two years just to reach a settlement with GT Interactive.

Anonymous Curlytop August 14, 2013 1:00 PM  

"I think Expelled from the SFWA has a nicer ring to it."


YES! that's the winner!


Anonymous Cluttermonkey August 14, 2013 1:00 PM  

Look how clever you are little rabbit. You can make up an imaginary scoreboard! Now why didn't any of us think about that? Please take it easy next time. You wouldn't want to over-exert your harebrain.

Hop along now little bunny...

Anonymous 43rd Virginia Calalry August 14, 2013 1:01 PM  

"Banned from SFWA" best idea in a while. +2

Anonymous scoobius dubious August 14, 2013 1:01 PM  

"along with stripping you of the financial value of the same"

What financial value? If they aren't handling pension & health, I wonder what the material interest is.

I 'unno, I say Congratulations. The notoriety is probably worth more than the membership, if you unnerstand anything about PR.

btw, what did Lem do to get the boot? Isn't he the chap who wrote Solaris?

Anonymous Curlytop August 14, 2013 1:04 PM  

Cluttermonkey August 14, 2013 12:46 PM
Yes, I for one would like a peak down the rabbit hole for laughs.


I have mixed opinions about that. While wonderfully amusing, there ARE things that are equally disturbing—see pictorial Exhibits from past blog threads. Once exposed, one can't simply "un know" them kind of thing. Much like Nate's blog when I stumbled upon that. Enjoying an entertaining read, then BAM! the Robo Spanker entry.

Anonymous Eric C August 14, 2013 1:05 PM  

Steveo August 14, 2013 12:46 PM

How about the Science Writers Fiction Association?

Or will that step on the toes of scientific peer review?


Good one.

Anonymous scoobius dubious August 14, 2013 1:06 PM  

"put a sign saying "Banned from the SFWA" on the next reprint"

Too bad these chappies aren't headquartered in Boston, you coulda killed two birds with one stone.

Oh, but wait, it was determined under Mass. Commonwealth law, right? Maybe they are, maybe they are. Hmmmmm...

Anonymous JoeyWheels Jumping For Joy August 14, 2013 1:06 PM  

t now that I am no longer bound by confidentiality, I don't see any reason why we shouldn't start a new series here on the blog called Secrets of the SFWA.


THIS!!!!!!

Anonymous Harsh August 14, 2013 1:12 PM  

Now you're making excuses? Sure, you'll "get around" to it...

He supposed to fight on your time schedule? You rabbits have no understanding of strategy, do you.

Anonymous Willy Wonka August 14, 2013 1:12 PM  

Oompa Loompa doompadee doo
I've got another puzzle for you
Oompa Loompa doompadee dee
If you are wise you will listen to me
Who do you blame when you are kicked out by the dumb?
Tossed to the curb without a refund?

Anonymous DJF August 14, 2013 1:18 PM  

Good thing you were not wearing an Obama mask while upsetting the SFWA, they would have sentenced you to sensitivity training.

Anonymous MrGreenMan August 14, 2013 1:19 PM  

It's sad to see this phase of things come to an end, because it was truly entertaining, but it will be nice to enter the "apocalypse" phase, where things are revealed about the deepest forum confessions at the women's stitch-and-bitch club.

Anonymous Outlaw X August 14, 2013 1:19 PM  

At least you didn't wear an Obama mask and have a bull chase you around.

Anonymous Orlok August 14, 2013 1:23 PM  

SO
FUCKING
WHAT
ANYWAY MAKE YOUR OWN CLUB HOUSE . THEY ARE A BUNCH OF PANSIES.

Anonymous Brother Thomas August 14, 2013 1:24 PM  

Congratulations, I consider this a medal on your chest. It reveals more about the curent state of the SFWA than it does about you. Thank you for taking the time to reveal the face behind the mask.

Blogger Luke August 14, 2013 1:25 PM  

Ah yes, one of those tough, unanimous decisions...

Anonymous Scintan August 14, 2013 1:26 PM  

3 things I'd suggest:

1: Something like "Bane of the SWFA" at the top of the blog

2. Don't go publishing the forums until your legal actions are complete

3. File legal action quickly, rather than waiting.

Anonymous Daniel August 14, 2013 1:26 PM  

I'm rather proud to be the first SFWA member to be expelled since Stanislaw Lem in 1976.

I believe that you are wrong about this. Lem was never a member, except for a temporary honorary membership that was rescinded as soon as he was eligible to join the SFWA (and following some poorly regarded words he used to describe science fiction). Once he was eligible, he never applied to be a member, nor was expelled by the Board.

That means that you are the first dues-paying member of the SFWA in history to be expelled by the Board.

You are also the first person of color to be kicked out of the SFWA, as well.

File 770 (a science fiction fandom site) has consistently referred to this case as the possible first expulsion in history. No doubt it will now refer to it as the first, now that it has happened.

Anonymous Mitchell August 14, 2013 1:27 PM  

Vox- Very sorry to read of your expulsion. Getting voted out of a group always feels weird, even if the group has become unrecognizable from when you joined it.

The act of expelling a writer from a writer's group just absolutely staggers the imagination, and it speaks poorly for the SFWA to have done this.

Anonymous VD August 14, 2013 1:34 PM  

I believe that you are wrong about this.

You are correct, technically. However, in the colloquial sense, members have long referred to Lem's "expulsion" from the organization, at least that's how I always heard it described. And, let's face it, the motivation behind both was very similar.

File 770 (a science fiction fandom site) has consistently referred to this case as the possible first expulsion in history. No doubt it will now refer to it as the first, now that it has happened.

I'm certainly fine with that.

Very sorry to read of your expulsion.

Don't be. I was never much of a joiner and this tends to substantiate my general opinion of groups that are not sports teams.

Anonymous joe doakes August 14, 2013 1:36 PM  

Scitan, don't take the name of Bane in vain.

Bain would be laughing himself sick at the thought of Vox managing to get himself kicked out of The Rabbit Hutch.

Blogger hadley August 14, 2013 1:36 PM  

Do the SFWA members pay annual dues?

Anonymous Noah B. August 14, 2013 1:37 PM  

What influence this organization did have will soon be gone.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 14, 2013 1:38 PM  

Don't be. I was never much of a joiner and this tends to substantiate my general opinion of groups that are not sports teams.

Or mercenary companies?

Anonymous Josh August 14, 2013 1:46 PM  

The full report is something that might have been written by the officer committee of a middle school student government organization. It's laughably stupid.

Blogger GK Chesterton August 14, 2013 1:47 PM  

I'd actually avoid any reveals until after the litigation.

Anonymous Laz August 14, 2013 1:47 PM  

"According to our records, you paid for your Lifetime Membership in October of 2002. As this period of time exceeds 10 years, you are not eligible for any pro-rata refund of your dues."

This is the only thing the by-law says on this: "In the event of such expulsion, the said member’s dues, if paid, shall be refunded on a pro rata basis. If a member so expelled is a life member, the refund shall be the life membership fee paid by the member minus $50 per year elapsed since the life membership was purchased."

$500-550 isn't a lot of money. Either they're just trying to provoke confrontation by just taking the money owed or that is the absolute cheapest lifetime membership for a professional organization I've ever seen.

Anonymous Beau August 14, 2013 1:48 PM  

The act of expelling a writer from a writer's group just absolutely staggers the imagination, and it speaks poorly for the SFWA to have done this.

Certain events signal the end of an epoch. The censure of Galileo ended the ascendancy of Medici Florence. The burning of Miguel Servetus put the lie to Calvinist Geneva. This expulsion marks the end of the SFWA as a creative force in literature.

Anonymous Cheddarman August 14, 2013 1:50 PM  

I'm certain Scalzi has donned his favorite dress and heels in celebration.

Anonymous Rudyard knows what's coming next... August 14, 2013 1:50 PM  

It's 'Get that racist dipshit, kick out that sexist homophobe!'

But it's "Misunderstanding, Sorry Mr. Beale" when the lawyer's on the phone.

The lawyer's on the phone, my boys, the lawyer's on the phone.

It's "Misunderstanding, Sorry Mr. Beale" when the lawyer's on the phone.

Anonymous Huh August 14, 2013 1:55 PM  

The following quote from J. Madison Davis' book on Stanislaw Lem gives an answer to your question:

Lem has always been critical of most science fiction, which he considers ill thought out, poorly written, and interested more in adventure that ideas or new literary forms. (...) Those opinions provoked an unpleasant debate in the SFWA [the "Lem affair"]. Philip José Farmer and others were incensed by Lem's comments (...) and eventually brought about the removal of the honorary membership(...). Other members, such as Ursula K. Le Guin, then protested the removal (...) and the SFWA then offered Lem a regular membership, which he, of course, refused in 1976. Asked later about the "affair," he remarked, that his opinions of the state of science fiction were already known when he was offered an honorary membership (...). He also added he harboured no ill feelings towards the SFWA or U.S. writers in particular, "...but it would be a lie to say the whole incident has enlarged my respect for SF writers".


Disrespecting the Warren! Anathema!

Anonymous Huh August 14, 2013 1:58 PM  

Apparently Philip K Dick thought Lem was a Red composite author:

What was that "Famous Philip K. Dick Letter" regarding Lem?

On September 2, 1974 Philip K. Dick sent the following letter to the FBI (Please keep in mind Mr. Dick was most probably suffering from schizophrenia):

Philip K. Dick to the FBI, September 2, 1974

I am enclosing the letterhead of Professor Darko Suvin, to go with information and enclosures which I have sent you previously. This is the first contact I have had with Professor Suvin. Listed with him are three Marxists whom I sent you information about before, based on personal dealings with them: Peter Fitting, Fredric Jameson, and Franz Rottensteiner who is Stanislaw Lem's official Western agent. The text of the letter indicates the extensive influence of this publication, SCIENCE-FICTION STUDIES.

What is involved here is not that these persons are Marxists per se or even that Fitting, Rottensteiner and Suvin are foreign-based but that all of them without exception represent dedicated outlets in a chain of command from Stanislaw Lem in Krakow, Poland, himself a total Party functionary (I know this from his published writing and personal letters to me and to other people). For an Iron Curtain Party group - Lem is probably a composite committee rather than an individual, since he writes in several styles and sometimes reads foreign, to him, languages and sometimes does not - to gain monopoly positions of power from which they can control opinion through criticism and pedagogic essays is a threat to our whole field of science fiction and its free exchange of views and ideas. Peter Fitting has in addition begun to review books for the magazines Locus and Galaxy. The Party operates (a U..S.] publishing house which does a great deal of Party-controlled science fiction. And in earlier material which I sent to you I indicated their evident penetration of the crucial publications of our professional organization SCIENCE FICTION WRITERS OF AMERICA.

Their main successes would appear to be in the fields of academic articles, book reviews and possibly through our organization the control in the future of the awarding of honors and titles. I think, though, at this time, that their campaign to establish Lem himself as a major novelist and critic is losing ground; it has begun to encounter serious opposition: Lem's creative abilities now appear to have been overrated and Lem's crude, insulting and downright ignorant attacks on American science fiction and American science fiction writers went too far too fast and alienated everyone but the Party faithful (I am one of those highly alienated).

It is a grim development for our field and its hopes to find much of our criticism and academic theses and publications completely controlled by a faceless group in Krakow, Poland. What can be done, though, I do not know.

Anonymous Josh August 14, 2013 1:58 PM  

Do any of these sfwa people have:
1) actual jobs
2) families
3) a life?

These people seem unbelievably petty and have wasted a considerable amount of time and energy

Anonymous Anonymous August 14, 2013 1:58 PM  


Dear SFWA,

I don’t want to belong to any CANDY ASS club that would have me as a member.

Sincerely yours,

Groucho Marx.

Anonymous Daniel August 14, 2013 2:01 PM  

The SFWA comes out with a statement. This has just been so, so hard for them.

http://www.sfwa.org/2013/08/board-communication-on-member-expulsion/

The Board, after careful consideration of the existing Massachusetts By-Laws, our approved operations and procedures, and with the advice of our legal counsel and past presidents, has decided to expel a member of SFWA from the organization.

This has not been an easy decision. It was very important from the outset that the Board should follow a careful process of examining the evidence, reviewing our internal rules and guidance, and weighing the damage done to the organization regardless of how we chose to proceed. We hope that all members of SFWA understand that this decision has not been made without careful and thorough examination of the situation.

Our bylaws and procedures make expelling a member a prolonged and arduous process, but we believe this is entirely appropriate for so drastic a remedy, and oppose any changes to our bylaws and procedures that would make it any easier.

Thank you for your patience.

Steven Gould,
President
Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America

Anonymous Salt August 14, 2013 2:09 PM  

@Daniel

You left out -

Comments are closed.

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother August 14, 2013 2:10 PM  

Mayor of Fredonia, NY: Change the name of your movie, you're hurting our town!

Groucho: Change the name of your town, you're hurting our movie!

Anonymous Salt August 14, 2013 2:13 PM  

McRapey has a post...

For No Particular Reason At All, This Song Seems Strangely Appropriate Today

Wonder if he first put on his dress or not.

Blogger Adam Lawson August 14, 2013 2:15 PM  

To them, my reply: Nuts.

Fuck 'em, what have they done worth doing in this century?

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 August 14, 2013 2:16 PM  

For No Particular Reason At All, This Song Seems Strangely Appropriate Today

Kind of surprised it wasn't It's Rainin' Men.
To be honest with you.

Blogger buzzardist August 14, 2013 2:19 PM  

Lifetimes are apparently short in the SFWA.

It almost sounds like science fiction...a "lifetime" bought, but that lasts only 10 years, after which time a person may be terminated without prejudice at the will of the collective.

Or maybe this is just a recognition that most writers' careers are only good for about 10 years?

Anonymous Brother Thomas August 14, 2013 2:19 PM  

Man seldon rises above his fallen nature, especially when working in groups.

Anonymous Daniel August 14, 2013 2:23 PM  

So, when Pete Rose dies, is his lifetime ban over?

Blogger yttik August 14, 2013 2:24 PM  

"I think Expelled from the SFWA has a nicer ring to it."

Actually it does. Very enticing. A good rule in life is to always seek that which people are working so hard to silence. It's probably going to turn out to be The Truth.

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother August 14, 2013 2:25 PM  

So mature over there, now Scalzi pretends to not even know Vox's name. It's all fourth grade up in that piece.

Anonymous Harsh August 14, 2013 2:25 PM  

McRapey has a post...

For No Particular Reason At All, This Song Seems Strangely Appropriate Today

Wonder if he first put on his dress or not.


This pretty much says everything you need to know about Scalzi. He can't just come out directly and say he's happy VD was thrown out. He posts silly songs. He implies things without stating anything directly. And then he pats himself on the back for his cleverness. What a sad human being.

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 August 14, 2013 2:26 PM  

So, when Pete Rose dies, is his lifetime ban over?

Nope.
Not if Shoeless Joe Jackson's case is any indication.
And Ray Fosse doesn't mind.

Anonymous Josh August 14, 2013 2:29 PM  

FOR NO PARTICULAR REASON AT ALL

Could the chief rabbit be more passive aggressive?

Blogger Thomas O August 14, 2013 2:29 PM  

The term "foregone conclusion" comes to mind when reading the SFWA Board decision. Can't say I was surprised.

Anonymous Daniel August 14, 2013 2:30 PM  

I think it would be great if the ad for the SFWA lifetime membership read:

Lifetime Membership - $5,000
(Now! Equal to $50/year or ten years...whichever comes first.)

I always heard that life was cheap, but in the SFWA it is also mathematically illiterate.

And McRapey's merely celebrating the fact that he got another woman to pay attention to him.

Not surprisingly, she's a puppeteer.

Anonymous rho August 14, 2013 2:31 PM  

I'd be quite interested to have the membership numbers tracked to see if VD's expulsion has any effect.

One option is that VD's inclusion in the organization prevented new members from joining, and now they feel safe to request membership. Another option is that this action will cause other members to reexamine their position and will quit or let their membership lapse. Of course, the third option is that a whole lot of nothing happens.

I doubt there's any way to acquire those numbers, but I sure would like to see 'em.

Blogger RobertT August 14, 2013 2:33 PM  

Right after I first found this blog you posted a video of a fight which ended with two guys on their hands and knees and the other guy walking by them on his way back to his girl. You comment: "Right there he should have kicked that guy in the face to disable him."

These rejects obviously don't read this blog.

Anonymous VD August 14, 2013 2:37 PM  

I have no doubt McRapey's 50,000 DAILY READERS are celebrating with him.

Anonymous Daniel August 14, 2013 2:37 PM  

I'd be quite interested to have the membership numbers tracked to see if VD's expulsion has any effect.

In violation of the organization's by-laws, the SFWA proudly does not track its own membership.

Anonymous E August 14, 2013 2:39 PM  

RE: The Timing...

The Canadian Director /part-time writer/full-time teacher has school next week. He had to make sure this was wrapped up in a hurry.

The fact Vox got pwned by a schoolteacher is kind of ironic.

Anonymous JI August 14, 2013 2:40 PM  

Congratulations, Vox! Getting expelled from an organization like the modern SFWA is a badge of honor.

Blogger IM2L844 August 14, 2013 2:43 PM  

Despite the fact that Vox clearly handed them their asses in his response, the congratulatory back slapping and the uncorking of special reserves has undoubtedly commenced to accompany deep discussions of how Beal, now that he has been dealt a grave lesson in humility for the whole world to see, will have no other choice than to simply shut up and go away. All their problems are solved...yay. NOT!

Blogger Tom Simon August 14, 2013 2:44 PM  

Don’t be silly, rho. The purpose of an action like this is not to have an effect, but to make the actors feel a warm glow of virtuousness without actually having to practise any virtues.

Anonymous Dan in Tx August 14, 2013 2:45 PM  

I have mixed feelings about learning more inside info from the SFWA now that Vox is no longer bound by confidentiality. On the one hand the SFWA is always good for comedy relief alright. Still on the other hand, what is bound to be a huge amount of disgusting gamma behavior on display would be nauseating. Possible side effects could include nightmares of that damned rabbit dancing in a conga line or something.

Blogger JCclimber August 14, 2013 2:48 PM  

If both PJ Farmer and P Dick thought this Lem character was a Marxist tool, AND Ursula defended him, then I am inclined to believe he probably was a Marxist stooge. Perhaps an early rabbit harbinger?

OpenID newrebeluniv August 14, 2013 2:49 PM  

DAMN! Now he won't be able to get his Sci-Fi published anywhere that honors the SFWA seal of approval. He won't be able to hob-nob with the other great writers of sci-fi in their walnut paneled exclusive club. He will never again be able to sharpen his ideas for new books off all those other luminaries in the clubhouse. I recommend a 72 hour suicide watch.

--Hale

Anonymous Daniel August 14, 2013 2:50 PM  

I'd love to know what Lawrence Watt-Evans thinks, considering he quit in '06 because the SFWA renewed the membership of another member.

"Other writers’ organizations kick out people when necessary, but SFWA, in forty-two years of existence, has never had the gumption to police itself."

Well, now...he can't say that anymore.

Anonymous Harsh August 14, 2013 2:52 PM  

The fact Vox got pwned by a schoolteacher is kind of ironic.

Who owned who, really? Vox got the SFWA to do exactly what he wanted them to do: expose themselves publicly as cowards, frauds, and hypocrites.

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 August 14, 2013 2:55 PM  

This is how they got Capone.
They wanted to get him on murder and criminal enterprise.
They settled for tax evasion, but gave him the same sentence they would have for murder and criminal enterprise.
When the conclusion is forgone, so is everything else.

Blogger James Dixon August 14, 2013 2:57 PM  

> The term "foregone conclusion" comes to mind when reading the SFWA Board decision.

I keep thinking "kangaroo court". But both are probably valid.

Regarding the dues, Google reveals the following page: http://www.sfsite.com/news/2009/06/30/sfwa-dues-increase/

Which lists the new rate at that time as being $80, up from $70.

Anonymous JoeyWheels August 14, 2013 2:57 PM  

...and now some light hearted reading between the lines.....

The Board, after careful consideration of the existing Massachusetts By-Laws, our approved operations and procedures, and with the advice of our legal counsel and past presidents, has decided to expel a member of SFWA from the organization.

This has not been an easy decision.
(Well, easy in so much as we already had a mandate from some of our favorite members....)
It was very important from the outset (it APPEAR) that the Board should follow a careful process of examining the evidence, reviewing our internal rules and guidance (Really, we kinda chortled at each other via text and e-mail when one of us attempted to seem dilligent in the reviews; but then Scalzi made a joke about "Who'd be wearing the dress now!" and we collectively lost it.), and weighing the damage done to the organization regardless of how we chose to proceed
(in the end we figured that Mr. Beale could not do any damage to us as we are Borg...and...oops, that's Scalzi's next piece of fan-fic he's preparing for publication...sorry John.).
We hope that all members of SFWA understand that this decision has not been made without careful and thorough examination of the situation
(and when we say 'understand', we hope the membership knows that our collective tongues are firmly planted in cheek and fingers are grossed behind our backs. We all know that there was no way we were going to let this menace stay within our hallowed ranks).

Our bylaws and procedures make expelling a member a prolonged and arduous process (unfortunately....grrrr), but we believe this is entirely appropriate for so (the APPEARANCE of doing taking so) drastic a remedy, and (outwardly) oppose any changes to our bylaws and procedures that would make it any easier (though, our double-secret probation hatchet squad is always ready to go after the next member who falls out of step).

Thank you for your patience.

Steven Gould,
President
Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America

Anonymous Eric Ashley August 14, 2013 2:59 PM  

The Seefwahwah chose to be on the same list as Peter Singer.

Blogger JCclimber August 14, 2013 3:02 PM  

The most amusing thing to me is the thought that expelling Vox is the most serious blow they could come up with for this situation.

Because to a RABBIT, being excluded from the hutch is a truly terrifying prospect. They want so desperately to belong that being excluded from ANYTHING, even something they don't really want to participate in, is a horrifying thought that informs all their actions.

Perhaps they imagine Vox wailing gnashing his teeth as he contemplates this matter.

They never stop to think that there are certain types who are motivated positively by this to do things like move forward with a competing organization that is superior and siphons off the profits and membership.

Anonymous Jesse August 14, 2013 3:11 PM  

Even though this is no surprise to me whatsoever, it still sucks in the sense that I don't enjoy being reminded that these are the people who are running everything. *sigh* And Scalzi's faggoty blog post...ugh.

Anonymous Matthew August 14, 2013 3:15 PM  

Farmer lied about Dick supporting the expulsion of Lem.

http://www.depauw.edu/sfs/backissues/14/lemaffair14.htm

As to the matter of Lem being a Marxist, if he was, he was one of the good uns. If you like SF and enjoy playful philosophizing, you should read Lem. If you like Borges or Calvino, you should read Lem. If you like Douglas Adams, you should read Lem. Different books for each category, though:

* straight SF: Pirx the Pilot, Fiasco
* philosophical SF: Solaris, Return from the Stars, Peace on Earth
* ficciones: One Human Minute, Imaginary Magnitude, A Perfect Vacuum
* outrageous SF tall tales: The Cyberiad, The Star Diaries, Futurological Congress

Here's a sample tall tale: http://english.lem.pl/works/novels/the-cyberiad/57-a-look-inside-the-cyberiad

Lem was a harsh critic of American SF: The festivities, the pretensions and eccentricities of [SF] authors and readers would, in the final instance, be their private affair, and in what was said above [about the SF conventions] there would be nothing to blame, had SF not become a domain of Kitsch and mystification. By Kitsch I mean a literature which being one thing (e.g. primitively crafted entertainment) tries to make believe it is something else (e.g. a "mythology of technological civilization"). For Kitsch is claim without delivery, a wholly naive and self-satisfied or even despotic pretension.

Anonymous VD August 14, 2013 3:18 PM  

By Kitsch I mean a literature which being one thing (e.g. primitively crafted entertainment) tries to make believe it is something else (e.g. a "mythology of technological civilization").

Lem was a prophet. I can't even imagine what he would make of today's "science fiction".

Anonymous Tizona August 14, 2013 3:26 PM  

Man, both sides in this sh it-show need lawyers.

The complaint and the rebuttal read like junior clerks pretending to be Oliver Wendell Holmes.

All dressin' up in robes and be talkin' jurisprudence.

Anonymous Heh August 14, 2013 3:28 PM  

"The most amusing thing to me is the thought that expelling Vox is the most serious blow they could come up with for this situation."

What else were they gonna do? Send robots back through time to kill his mother before he was born?

Anonymous Salt August 14, 2013 3:31 PM  

What else were they gonna do? Send robots back through time to kill his mother before he was born?

They could have awarded him a Nebula. That would have been punishment.

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother August 14, 2013 3:32 PM  

I need a plahsma rifle, fohty watt range!

Anonymous rho August 14, 2013 3:33 PM  

I thought of another option. You can have a religion without a god, but never without a devil. Without a devil to attack, the SFWA cathedral gets soft and boring and the membership dribbles away.

Anonymous Beau August 14, 2013 3:34 PM  

Congratulations, Vox! Getting expelled from an organization like the modern SFWA is a badge of honor.

Spat upon during the Midlands tour, General William Booth of the Salvation Army encouraged his fellow soldiers, "Don't rub it off - it's a medal."

Bravo.

Anonymous Matthew August 14, 2013 3:35 PM  

Incidentally, Philip Jose Farmer strikes me as being a fan fiction writer like Scalzi, only significantly more talented. Early in his career, he wrote some interesting and reasonably original novels (Riders of the Purple Wage, The Lovers). He's most famous for his Riverworld series, though which seems to be the inflection point of his decline. It is quite inventive in its milieu, but the books are populated mostly with resurrected historical figures, such as Richard Francis Burton and Jack London. He was skilled enough that the real people from real life were more interesting and engaging than his blatant and admitted Gary Stu (the male version of a Mary Sue).

Much of his later work is as blatantly fan-fiction as the whole of Scalzi's accomplishments. There are Tarzan novels, Doc Savage novels, and an Oz novel where it turns out that all the inhabitants of Oz are lusty midgets.

Ah, yes, PJF was a perv. One of his short stories, collected along with the original Riverworld short, concerned the doings of fallen angels entertaining human women with their double phalluses. Another in the same collection was about a horny retired pilot in a nursing home; the story climaxes with the literal climax and death of the old goat, who caught a nurse bending over.

Reading such horrors as this and the later Heinlein perversions as a youth, paradoxically, helped form in me a reactionary moral core. They were supposed to be titillating, but they instead revealed far too much.

Anonymous Harsh August 14, 2013 3:37 PM  

What else were they gonna do? Send robots back through time to kill his mother before he was born?

Hey, can I use that? I've been trying to come up with a good idea for a screenplay.

Blogger GK Chesterton August 14, 2013 3:38 PM  

BTW, it is interesting to see that Phoenicians assertions are officially wrong. They used Mass state law according to their official ruling.

OpenID newrebeluniv August 14, 2013 3:38 PM  

Nothing left to do but found the America Science Fiction Writer's Association. Mail me your $5 membership fee ($85 lifetime member, $3,000 member of the board of directors) to get started.

I'll get started paneling my basement in walnut and laying in a stock of fruity umbrella drinks.

--Hale

Anonymous Daniel August 14, 2013 3:39 PM  

Without a devil to attack, the SFWA cathedral gets soft and boring and the membership dribbles away.

Oh, they'll make a new devil, just as they replaced their working writers with whining ones. The bodies are warm, the dues are mandatory, what do they care if they have nothing to to do with selling stories any more?

Anyone making money at writing doesn't need the SFWA, and anyone in the SFWA to make money is a fool, unless his angle is to make the board and get the bar tab covered for him when he annually must praise a few romance books he's never read.

Anonymous jack August 14, 2013 3:47 PM  

AS for Vox starting a rival organization; I think he mentioned, somewhere along the path of this most delicious battle with the SFWA,that he had not the time or inclination to get an competing organization going.

He said HE did not have the time. Well, the Original Cyberpunk, the redoubtable OC of Ilk fame, already has something going that could, with relative ease, I think, morph into such an entity. Just a thought here, you know. The new Vox game channel, with/publishing, could be one of the charter, anchor, units within this rival organization. And, the OC, Does. Not. come across as a weak kneed metro wuss dude.

I think a new and large shipment of popcorn needs to be ordered.

Anonymous scoobius dubious August 14, 2013 3:50 PM  

"By Kitsch I mean a literature which being one thing (e.g. primitively crafted entertainment) tries to make believe it is something else (e.g. a "mythology of technological civilization")."

George Lucas to the white courtesy phone. George Lucas to the white courtesy phone.

Anonymous Anonymous August 14, 2013 3:52 PM  

SFWA doesn't even name you in its official communication? Then why publish one? That is the most pathetic thing ever.

Anonymous O.C. August 14, 2013 3:57 PM  

@jack -- See Lou Antonelli's post earlier in this thread -- or heck, just go to the website.

http://www.sasswritersgroup.blogspot.com/

Blogger beerme August 14, 2013 4:00 PM  

Congratulations

Blogger Lawrence August 14, 2013 4:02 PM  

Scalzi and his ilk within that organization made a critical error. I'm not a great writer like our patron, Vox. It's more from a lack of practice and motivation than anything else. But, paradoxically, finding that the SFWA is as polarized and Leftist as any other major institution has actually inspired me to take up writing again. In the last few months I've finished more writing than the previous several years. I couldn't explain why if you asked me, but somehow I don't think I'm the only one.

Point is, Vox has demonstrated that those institutions are no longer the arbiters of what is good and desirable in science fiction and fantasy. You don't have to write about amazonian minority Mary Sues in thinly-disguised Lord of the Rings rewrites in order to achieve a measure of respect and success in writing.

And they expel HIM, one of the last good things going for them. Too bad for them. Vox will keep writing, I'll keep reading, and more authors will be inspired to write, free of Leftist literary pollution.

Congrats, Scalzi. Tell me how you like sitting on a deck chair as the Titanic sinks around you.

Anonymous GreyS August 14, 2013 4:03 PM  

In the end, this worked out pretty well. The SFWA Board was exposed as pernicious liars without conscience- the Canadian one showed himself to be especially dishonest-- and in a mere couple months damaged the reputation of the organization in such a way that will take years to fix. They also undoubtedly and unwittingly fostered the creation of a rival writers organization out of the numerous disaffected and mostly silent members who watched this fiasco unfold.

The Board also added quite a bit to VD's readership on this blog and likely sold many books for him in the process. They guaranteed daily SFWA member visitors here for the next two or three years. They guaranteed daily non-SFWA member SF/F writer visitors here for the next two or three years.

The fiasco gave VD the opportunity to expound on his views and change or enhance his reputation to much of the SF world. There will be many rabbits he'll never reach of course, but who cares?

For us here it was a great amount of fun-- especially seeing VD proven correct in so many ways. And now that this stage has been reached we will likely be entertained still more. It has also been disgustingly instructive as an example of what can happen to any organization.

Let's see what fun the 'Secrets Of The SFWA' will bring... I'll be here reading-- as will the majority of SFWA members. Heh-- Janezi, the Canadian, and Gould alone refresh enough to allow VD to claim "50,000 readers a day."

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 August 14, 2013 4:09 PM  

Secrets Of The SFWA

Unless its transcripts of NK Jemisin's repeated calls to Epson technical support accusing them of racism because their printers run out of blank ink first, it might just be too inside-baseball for the common Ilk.

Anonymous Anonagain August 14, 2013 4:25 PM  

And if you're looking for my immediate response, all I can really say is this: rabbits gonna rabbit.

My immediate thought is that there is no such thing as a vegetarian wolf. Happy hunting.

Anonymous GreyS August 14, 2013 4:31 PM  

"...it might just be too inside-baseball for the common Ilk"

I'm counting on VD for creating humorous posts out of some tedious stuff.

Anonymous Desiderius August 14, 2013 4:35 PM  

The banality of evil never ceases to underwhelm.

Is there a sentence in that statement that is not false?

God help the bastards.

Blogger Lawrence August 14, 2013 5:06 PM  

Out of odd curiosity and perhaps a slight tinge of masochism, I decided to go look at Mr. Scalzi's blog. There is, of course, a minor celebration brewing. Mr. Scalzi vehemently denies it is connected with Vox, but even his own readers know better. Nothing seems to say "gamma rabbit" quite like an entire community of people celebrating the expulsion of another and firmly denying they are doing it in the first place. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

My head actually hurt after going there.

Anonymous wcu August 14, 2013 5:06 PM  

Sorry about that vox...

Anonymous Myrddin August 14, 2013 5:29 PM  

This is by far my favorite soap.

Anonymous Ann Morgan August 14, 2013 5:50 PM  

Somehow this reminds me of when the Blood Center of SE Wisconsin put me on their 'deferred donor' list because I had a 'bad attitude'. Said 'bad attitude' consisted of knowing more about anatomy and physiology than their pet minimum wage phlebotomist (who also lied about what I said to her).

Mind you, after 4 years of college biology, it still isn't quite clear to me exactly what diseases can be spread via blood transfusions due soley to the donor having a 'bad attitude' without an accompanying physical cause (such as an actual bacterial or viral infection) but perhaps I am simply old fashioned.

Anonymous Quadko August 14, 2013 6:04 PM  

...a prolonged and arduous process...

Compared to, say, writing and publishing a novel a year? What, not so much?
How about, compared to expulsion by dictatorial fiat by the committee or chair against the rules? Ah, now I comprehend.

Rule of law. So stifling. Poor babies. Came as a shock to them, I'm sure, so innocently serving on a board and finding that rules constrained their behavior. Well, they certainly dealt with that problem!

Blogger mina smith August 14, 2013 6:05 PM  

when you're living in the world of the leftists, how you make people "feel" is critically more important than your contribution.

sad.

Anonymous Ann Morgan August 14, 2013 6:14 PM  

"White people don't like 'Uncle Tom's Cabin'? Burn it. Black people don't like 'Little Black Sambo'? Burn it." - Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451.

Blogger Lou Antonelli August 14, 2013 6:17 PM  

Wow, the traffic on the SASS web site is up TWENTY-FIVE times from yesterday.

Not 25 percent, 25x.

Anonymous O.C. August 14, 2013 6:25 PM  

Very cool, Lou.

Anonymous Krul August 14, 2013 6:35 PM  

From Whatever:

Mary Robinette Kowal - Strange! We have similar taste in music today. I can’t imagine why.

Scalzi - Coincidence is amazing!

Kilroy - Don’t play coy. Theodore Beale expelled from the SFWA.

Scalzi - Kilroy:

I’m sorry. I don’t have the slightest idea of who you are talking about. Must not be anyone of any particular consequence.
...
Can’t a fellow post music videos for no particular reason without people questioning his intent?


I admit it, I laughed.

Anonymous Heh August 14, 2013 6:42 PM  

Ah, yes, PJF was a perv. One of his short stories, collected along with the original Riverworld short, concerned the doings of fallen angels entertaining human women with their double phalluses.

His porn (don't know what else to call it) was staple reading in my horny teenage years (pre-internet, of course).

Image of the Beast
Blown
A Feast Unknown
Lord of the Trees / The Mad Goblin

All good!

Anonymous Rosalys August 14, 2013 6:50 PM  

You can judge a man by the enemies he makes. Congratulations!

Anonymous Ann Morgan August 14, 2013 6:53 PM  

Rosalys wrote: **You can judge a man by the enemies he makes.**

The opposite is also true, you can judge a man by the sort of people he chooses to surround himself with.

Blogger mmaier2112 August 14, 2013 6:59 PM  

Wow... that's how he addresses his "friends"... what a pussy.

Blogger tz August 14, 2013 7:01 PM  

@Ann Morgan - Didn't you realize phlebotomystics tend to be vain?

Cue Carly Simon...

I actually can sympathize with you. When you are the smartest person of either gender in the room - a crowded room - it makes things hard.

Anonymous Daimyo August 14, 2013 7:01 PM  

" According to our records, you paid for your Lifetime Membership in October of 2002. As this period of time exceeds 10 years, you are not eligible for any pro-rata refund of your dues."

They have a point, as acording to Wikipedia:

"The expected rabbit lifespan is about 9–12 years;[13] [14]  the world's oldest rabbit on record lived 18 years.[15]"

Anonymous MendoScot August 14, 2013 7:06 PM  

I can't help but wonder how long it'll be before they go after those who voted for you. Not, of course, that they would defile the anonymity of the vote! That would be irregular.

Blogger tz August 14, 2013 7:06 PM  

I downloaded and read your response. Simple, direct, classic.

But at what point did you miss the SFWA's policy of "Do what I say, not what I do?".

The links into the forum were many but the archive is not available, though I can guess at the content.

Worse for them, they didn't even attempt to challenge or answer your points.

Anonymous VD August 14, 2013 7:15 PM  

The links into the forum were many but the archive is not available, though I can guess at the content.

I was bound by confidentiality at the time. Not so much anymore.

Anonymous WaterBoy August 14, 2013 7:19 PM  

Would it be too gauche...er, unright...um, improper...to immediately send out a mass email to all active members, asking them to sign a petition for your reinstatement, IAW the bylaws?

Anonymous Beau August 14, 2013 7:22 PM  

Would it be too gauche...er, unright...um, improper...to immediately send out a mass email to all active members, asking them to sign a petition for your reinstatement, IAW the bylaws?

It would not be nefas.

Anonymous VD August 14, 2013 7:22 PM  

Would it be too gauche...er, unright...um, improper...to immediately send out a mass email to all active members, asking them to sign a petition for your reinstatement, IAW the bylaws?

I don't see any need to request that.

Anonymous Harsh August 14, 2013 7:31 PM  

Can’t a fellow post music videos for no particular reason without people questioning his intent?

I admit it, I laughed.


Yes, funny in that Scalzi denies the gamma label and then expresses himself in the most passive-aggressive, non-confrontational manner possible.

Anonymous WaterBoy August 14, 2013 7:32 PM  

"I don't see any need to request that."

No, but it would be an amusing extension of this farce.

I'm counting the number of harassment charges in my head even now....

Anonymous Ferd August 14, 2013 7:55 PM  

So the Sniveling Whiner Feminists of Amerika have thrown you to the curb!

Well! Let's start our own club! Bobby's dad has a barn and Cindy's mom can make us costumes and Judy and Stevie are so clever with music! We can do a fundraising concert and be more solvent in a week than those mean old rabbitys!!

Raise a rootbeer in celebration!!

Anonymous GreyS August 14, 2013 8:37 PM  

"I was bound by confidentiality at the time. Not so much anymore."

(chuckle) What about the shackles of, what was it??---"professional confidentiality"?

Anonymous Ann Morgan August 14, 2013 8:49 PM  

tz wrote: **@Ann Morgan - Didn't you realize phlebotomystics tend to be vain?

Cue Carly Simon...

I actually can sympathize with you. When you are the smartest person of either gender in the room - a crowded room - it makes things hard.**

I don't care how 'vain' they are, or whether they have been taught that looking cute enough is the ticket to getting their own way. When the pet minimum wage phlebotomists from the blood center don't know the difference between a muscle cramp in the diaphragm and cardiac arrest, or what their own regulations say regarding one vs the other, or whether there is such a regulation, or even how to go about finding out whether there are such regulations and what they might say, I'd say that makes ME the smartest person in a crowded room.

Given that they also lied about what I said, it also makes me the most HONEST person in a crowded room as well.

Anonymous The Next to Last Samurai August 14, 2013 9:12 PM  

I have forgotten , Mea culpa--what was the point of your bearding the Silly Feminist Writers of America in the first place

I'd insist on my 5K back, settle for 3k or so--your mileage may vary.

Anonymous Bemused Onlooker August 14, 2013 9:32 PM  

More rabbiting....

Vox, the call has gone out to post phony reviews with low ratings on Amazon's ATOB listing):

Since Vox Day has decided to “correct” the “errors” in George R. R. Martin’s fiction, perhaps someone should head over to Amazon and “correct” the 4.3-out-of-5-star rating on 109 reviews. Pharyngulate this sucker! -- The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The first fake review:

Flat characters, A plot that would need contour and triple integration to be considered "derivative" and a lot of chest-thumping Manly Men doing Manly Things with Manly Men. All that's missing is the Heroic PUA.

has already been posted by "Todd Ellner", aka "anuran":

@47 TVRBoK,
I’ve given it a more appropriate review


Expect more.

Blogger tz August 14, 2013 9:34 PM  

@Ann Morgan

Now you know why I've only been to the "Medical Establishment" only once in the last decade or more. That time I crashed my Harley and was knocked senseless (there is a half-hour gap in my normally eidetic memory) and managed to field a phone call between the time I remember doing an emergency brake on MN60 and remember the ER where I was not hurt but bandaged a bit.

Between the internet, my EMT training, my ability as a Maker, and the distrust of the establishment, with few exceptions I can take care of myself better than leaving it to others.

And the more I see the more it seems prudent to avoid things like hospitals. For all our learning, the practice seems more like bleedings (who knew phlebotomy was so ancient), poultices, and leeches. There are many knowledgeable medical professionals, but too few are in the mainstream. And guess where Obamacare is directing people into?

Vox's examples on Vaccines are another example.

Anonymous Inane Rambler August 14, 2013 9:46 PM  

The fun and excitement hasn't ended. It's only begun.

Anonymous Ann Morgan August 14, 2013 9:54 PM  

tz: About the medical establishment:

Doctors don't know nearly as much as they think they know. A few examples:

1. I once cut a nerve in my wrist trying to carve a puppet like in the movie Puppet Master 3. This caused part of the palm of my left hand, about the size of a half dollar to go numb. The doctor said it would take 6-8 months for the nerve to regrow, if it ever did. However, I taped a magnet to my wrist, and could feel my entire hand again in 3 weeks. Later, I mailed a magnetic necklace to a friend of mine whose daughter had been in pain for over a year after getting whiplash in a car accident. The pain was gone in a month, after wearing the necklace. Yet doctors insist that the healing power of magnets is 'nonsense'.

2. A surgeon in France who developed reconstructive surgery for victims of female genital mutilation had to first do some autopsies on a lot of female corpses, because he discovered that the diagrams of the internal structure of the female cl****is in all medical textbooks were complete wrong, the structure was drawn much smaller than it actually was. As it turned out, the original illustrations dated back to the 1800's, and the internal structure of that body part was drawn far smaller than it really is, for social reasons, and the error was simply repeated with all new editions of all medical textbooks without anyone questioning it for over 100 years.

3. Western doctors dismissed acupuncture as nonsense or a placebo. Until is was shown that it worked on animals. The ancient Chinese actually developed acupuncture in a fairly scientific (if someone sadistic) manner, by poking slaves with needles at various points on their bodies and observing the results.

4. Such things as the belief in amethyst crystals being effective in helping combat alcoholism are currently dismissed as 'nonsense'. Which to my mind is wrong, without first doing an experiment to prove or disprove the matter. It wouldn't be hard to do such an experiment, get together a group of alcoholics that all want to go on the wagon, give some of them a real amethyst pendant, give some of them a clear quartz pendant, give some a pendant of purple glass, and give some nothing at all. Then in 6 months, see if there is any difference between the groups in how many of them were able to stay on the wagon. And just in case amethyst might only work in large quantities, do another experiment, involving putting large amethyst boulders (and various control objects) under the beds of the alcoholics.

Anonymous MendoScot August 14, 2013 10:46 PM  

I suppose you've seen it, but Jemsin finally raises her afro, now that you have been safely excluded.

Blogger Remo August 14, 2013 10:55 PM  

My toad alter ego feels guilt.

Blogger Remo August 14, 2013 11:01 PM  

Vox - is getting kicked off the Titanic such a bad thing? As an organization they are barely relevant and sinking fast. They cling to the old manner of publishing and have chosen political correctness over substance when the tide is clearly turning against all things P.C. (reality bites). They are doomed. A dinosaur 10 years post flood unable to survive in the brave new world.

Personally I think this should be your banner accomplishment in all your book covers now "UNANIMOUSLY VOTED OUT OF THE SFA!!!"

Anonymous Tom B August 14, 2013 11:19 PM  

"SFWA doesn't even name you in its official communication? Then why publish one? That is the most pathetic thing ever."

Isn't that the point of a shunning?

Shunning has been categorized as torture by researchers because it has been known to cause psychological damage to the individuals involved. Which means that the SFWA may be in violation of the Geneva Convention, in addition to various blacklisting laws.

http://humanrights.ucdavis.edu/resources/library/documents-and-reports/ojeda.pdf

Maybe the SFWA has been taken over by the Scientologists, and this is a form of disconnection? Or maybe its the Muslims who took over, and they consider Vox in riddah? There certainly is a cult-like aspect to all of this.

What I consider the most ironic part of this whole affair is how its Vox's politics on trial here. Its typical of Progressives in general that they are so afraid of another Tailgunner Joe McCarthy coming to power that they engage in McCarthyism to prevent it.

PLEASE sue these bastids!

Anonymous Roundtine August 14, 2013 11:31 PM  

It is every artist's dream to be banned from something.

Anonymous Harsh August 14, 2013 11:59 PM  

I suppose you've seen it, but Jemsin finally raises her afro, now that you have been safely excluded.

And she has the comments on her site turned off. Isn't that typical? What a reprehensible cunt.

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 15, 2013 1:04 AM  

VD: I have no doubt McRapey's 50,000 DAILY READERS are celebrating with him.

His readers no doubt vote regularly and often in Illinois erections, along with the other spectres who reside in the vast necropoles there.

Blogger Unknown August 15, 2013 2:06 AM  

VD, I think that you are lucky to have been kicked out of a looney bin.

Blogger Bogey August 15, 2013 3:03 AM  

Passive aggressive rabbit celebrates:

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/08/14/for-no-particular-reason-at-all-this-song-seems-strangely-appropriate/

Comments turned off for this post of course.

Blogger yttik August 15, 2013 4:26 AM  

May I mention something about Jesmin and her claim to have suddenly received a pile of rape and death threats? That is often low ranking males of your own kind celebrating their victory.

It's quite startling to discover.

I'd close my comments too. Reality crashing down around you can be quite disturbing.

Anonymous Peter Garstig August 15, 2013 6:11 AM  

Comments turned off for this post of course.

They were on before, but it became apparent how passive-agressive Scalzi is in the comments. So he simply removed them. Problem solved.

Anonymous VD August 15, 2013 6:54 AM  

VD, I think that you are lucky to have been kicked out of a looney bin.

I would not argue with that. I cannot say I mind the distinction of being the first author kicked out of SFWA in the least. How long do you think it will take before my detractors start insisting I wasn't really the first, but Stanislaw Lem was?

Anonymous ericcs August 15, 2013 7:16 AM  

This is the end game that started in the '60's. The powers in extent at that time were used to being reasonable, i.e., allowing different and many times radical viewpoints to be heard because there was a belief in free speech. Let all viewpoints be heard, and let the best one win. However, the left who initiated such confrontations always had a different end-game in mind. In their march through the institutions, they were always able to prey on reasonable people, but now 60 some years later they believe they have won, and there will be no such countenance of differing opinions. Instead, opposition will be vilified, squelched, and crucified, with no mercy shown. There is no longer free speech... to the left, speech is action, and anything they disagree with is automatically stopped by labeling it as 'hate' and applying prior constraint. (BTW, I propose that any leftist troll on this blog be judged by his own assumptions and thereby classified as a terrorist, since all he is here for is to sidetrack and destroy the discussion and foment hate.)

I wonder how long VD's blog will actually continue. In Dear Leader's version of America, it is just a matter of time before some vague legislation is passed, or some executive order is issued, that makes it a crime to post about reality and comment on it.

By God, we are all criminals now... better sit back and enjoy it, wait for the militarized police to come knocking (down) the door, and subsequent Federal officials to make your life a living hell. The SFWA knows they are in control, that their memes and fantasies can be forced down everyone's throat without a seconds thought... too bad for people like Vox and all the rest of us.

It's long past time for us to be reasonable. This is war, in case you haven't yet noticed. I really hope Vox decides to fight this, and fight it hard. His opposition deserves nothing but contempt, defeat, and banishment to some third-world hell-hole where they can live out their days peddling progressive nonsense to savages.

Anonymous NateM August 15, 2013 8:28 AM  

And the song Scalzi finds and appropriate isn't " Its raining men"?

Blogger yttik August 15, 2013 10:26 AM  

Thank you Vox for protecting girls from the scary men in dresses.

But thank you also for teaching people that the Hand of God is in your words when you write. Thank you for accepting that responsibility with so much integrity and honesty. Thank you for not being a coward about what you believe in and keeping your comments open.

Don't let my flowery praise go to your head. Keep in mind I have also been following this psychotic Klown around for years, just to come to the exact same conclusion. Do not trust a girl who follows a Psychotic Klown around. We are quite mad.

Blogger Bogey August 15, 2013 10:55 AM  

My mistake commenting was turned off then back on again.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia August 15, 2013 12:18 PM  

VD,

In the realm of the nerd books you are a giant and a hero.

What daring! What outrageousness! What insolence! What arrogance! I salute you.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia August 15, 2013 12:37 PM  

(I salute you)

And that is an honest statement.

I am heartened by your father's actions, even though, as you say, they may have not accomplished much. And I am heartened by your actions in this and your many other ventures.

It is good to see this valor in our fellow brothers such as you and your father.

May God's favour be on you and yours.

Blogger Cyn Bagley August 15, 2013 1:33 PM  

Sounds like you need some money back-- When did lifetime membership become ten years?

I am glad that I decided that SFWA was not an organization that I wanted to join (around the early 90s btw). Just one look at the rules and bylaws and even then I could see the "writing on the wall."

Good luck and keep writing

Anonymous horsewithnonick August 15, 2013 1:52 PM  

The theme song for this whole debacle should be Bowling For Soup, "High School Never Ends"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrxI_euTX4A

Anonymous Ciconia August 15, 2013 4:14 PM  

Asian? I didn't know Wapanese was an ethnic group... or are you a Magyar? ...I'm so embarrassed.

Anonymous Scintan August 16, 2013 12:54 AM  

I hope you've already begun getting the lawsuit started. If you've been correct about what you've stated, the SFWA will have to choose between retreat and laughingstock status.

Blogger WarKicker August 16, 2013 6:08 AM  

"1. I once cut a nerve in my wrist trying to carve a puppet like in the movie Puppet Master 3. This caused part of the palm of my left hand, about the size of a half dollar to go numb. The doctor said it would take 6-8 months for the nerve to regrow, if it ever did. However, I taped a magnet to my wrist, and could feel my entire hand again in 3 weeks. Later, I mailed a magnetic necklace to a friend of mine whose daughter had been in pain for over a year after getting whiplash in a car accident. The pain was gone in a month, after wearing the necklace. Yet doctors insist that the healing power of magnets is 'nonsense'."

Using anecdotal evidence as you did above is rarely ever compelling. It may provide motivation for further investigation however. During surgery, I'm constantly operating on or around nerves. More than likely, you suffered from a neuropraxia or there were anastomotic branches that allowed quicker recovery. In fact, there are several studies that have investigated this matter and I would be happy to point you to these references if you wish. I am humble enough to admit to my patients that I "don't know everything" even in my own specialty, but I consider this modality of treatment as a nonviable alternative.

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