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Sunday, August 25, 2013

Women and military discipline

As bad as this sounds, the reality is even worse:
I once asked a friend who is a retired Army command sergeant major how they disciplined the women. He replied, “You can’t. If you try, they charge you with sexual harassment.” I said, “Then how do you get them to do what you need them to do?” He said, “We don’t. We just let them do whatever they want.”
I have a friend who was forced out of the service only a few years before his scheduled retirement due to false sexual harassment charges.  The reason his female subordinate made up the charges had nothing to do with his relationship with her, she was just angry that he had disciplined one of her male friends for committing a crime.

Women in the military destroy more than unit cohesion, they destroy all military discipline across the board, from the top to the bottom.  It's exactly the same as the difference between raising a generation of children in the traditional manner, and raising a generation using only single mothers. We already have a feral black underclass and an increasingly feral white one; in another two decades we will likely have an equally feral military.

This is precisely why I support an all-female U.S. military populated by a draft.  Anything less would be sexist and fail to account for more than 200 years of unmitigated male privilege.

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115 Comments:

Anonymous The other skeptic August 25, 2013 1:07 PM  

Come on now. You know women never lie about rape or sexual harassment or whatever it is they claim they never lie about.

Anonymous re allow anonymous comments August 25, 2013 1:13 PM  

we can only hope that homeland security has the same glorious diversification

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum August 25, 2013 1:15 PM  

If I were a Hajji commander, and I came across a unit of American soldiers with both male and female members, I'd order my fighters to target the females first, and to only shoot to wound.

Aim for the lower legs, outer arms, or the gut.

Make them scream out in pain, fear and anguish, make them realize that they are now crippled, and their life as they knew it is over and done, and make the enemy's instinct to protect women kick-in.

Anonymous Obvious August 25, 2013 1:25 PM  

Yes. Two anecdotes, one with questionable validity, completely support your idea that women destroy " all military discipline across the board, from the top to the bottom.".

Part of the problem is that CSM who refused to discipline female soldiers.

Blogger Penrose August 25, 2013 1:26 PM  

This is precisely why I support an all-female U.S. military populated by a draft.

In the age of drone warfare this may be possible.

What the milgram experiment showed was that women were more willing to kill than men are. 100% of the women in the study administered a fatal shock to a stranger when told to do so by an authority.

Anonymous kh123 August 25, 2013 1:30 PM  

Difficult as it is, can anyone detect the oblivious progressive in the comments. Bonus points if it's done without "dipshit" or a wardrobe breakdown being mentioned.

OpenID matamoros August 25, 2013 1:31 PM  

from the linked article: "Ten years from now, what are infantrymen supposed to do when their new female platoon leader, who had to be given her billet to meet a quota, can’t keep up? Carry her?

Put a bullet in her head, and charlie mike.

Credo in Unum Deum "I'd order my fighters to target the females first, and to only shoot to wound."

Best thing that could happen. The troops could put a bullet in their heads to stop the noise and charlie mike.

Anonymous Christian in Hollyweird August 25, 2013 1:34 PM  

So if that experiment took place now would they accuse the stranger of sexual harassment?

Anonymous The other skeptic August 25, 2013 1:40 PM  

Put a bullet in her head, and charlie mike.

I think you will find that unless she has been especially bitchy they will have difficulty with the first part.

Maybe vibrants would not. Another excuse for more vibrants and women in the military.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 25, 2013 1:52 PM  

This guy will probably have no problem with putting a bullet in her head and charlie miking.

Although he might hide or throw his gun away.

Anonymous Feh August 25, 2013 1:56 PM  

Does the senior military leadership not know any of this? Are they such babes in the woods that the feminist agenda is new to them? Of course they know. But they became senior leaders by bending to the political winds, not defying them. To my knowledge, not one has resigned in protest over the womanizing of our military since the process began. None has done so over this final nail in the coffin, putting women in the combat arms.

Those of you who think the military will balk at obeying orders to shoot civilians, take note.

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother August 25, 2013 1:57 PM  

Obvious,

As an expert on the military, please tell me why the military needs any women at all.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 25, 2013 2:00 PM  

please tell me why the military needs any women at all.

Oh, that one is obvious.

Because we are missing out on the special abilities that 50% of our citizens can bring to bear.

And besides, everything needs a woman's touch.

However, I wouldn't bother responding to Odious.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 25, 2013 2:08 PM  

Why is it that we have to go to the Daily Mail to get photos of the perps?

Anonymous DonReynolds August 25, 2013 2:09 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother..."As an expert on the military, please tell me why the military needs any women at all."

This has nothing to do with the needs of the military. The military has no need for homosexuals either, or diversity in general. Men have been successfully killing each other on the battlefield for centuries without their help.

The US military did not NEED to integrate when Harry Truman made that decision and decades later, the jury is still out on that one. Harry Truman needed integration, not the military. The Navy was not unhappy with blacks as messboys and laborers. Next stop, blacks in the SEALS.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 25, 2013 2:11 PM  

Odious says:


Yes. Two anecdotes, one with questionable validity, completely support your idea that women destroy " all military discipline across the board, from the top to the bottom.".


So which one is questionable?

Perhaps we should ask Tom Kratman to comment.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 25, 2013 2:16 PM  

The Navy was not unhappy with ...

What percentage of women get pregnant in the navy on sea duty?

What is the reduction in effectiveness of any particular ship when that happens?

In the infantry, if women will not accept being disciplined, will men accept being disciplined?

If women can get away with charging sexism when disciplined, will vibrants be able to get away with charging racism when disciplined?

Even if not all women behave that way, what percentage of women need to behave that way before unit effectiveness collapses?

Blogger tz August 25, 2013 2:19 PM  

Vox, you missed the best line in the article (which I'm happy I swallowed all my beer): (and especially on a sunday)

A womanized military will end up the Episcopal Church in uniform. The only men left will be gays and wimps.

Ah, William S. Lind. Realize that if Ron Paul was president, he would be Sec Def.

The neo-cons are insane. In a decade, we won't even be able to defend the borders of Nebraska, much less Israel. If they were for a strong defense they would stop this. But they are parasites, and their nature is to bleed the host to death, even if such kills them with it.

Anonymous Salt August 25, 2013 2:27 PM  

As an expert on the military, please tell me why the military needs any women at all.

So the guys have toys to play with during time off in the foxholes.

Blogger Penrose August 25, 2013 2:28 PM  

This is precisely why I support an all-female U.S. military populated by a draft.

In the age of drone warfare this may be possible.

What the milgram experiment showed was that women were more willing to kill than men are. 100% of the women in the study administered a fatal shock to a stranger when told to do so by an authority.

Blogger tz August 25, 2013 2:33 PM  

For any military unit - army or navy - to be effective, it needs testosterone. Lots of it. Alphas jockeying for position, yet sorting it out and becoming a cohesive unit. It can only happen if Women aren't present. (They can do what they want on leave, and the MP and consulates can clean up as necessary afterward).

Look up "Tailhook". When men behaving as men (with women volunteering to encourage it) is treated as a scandal, we are doomed.

Lind also notes that women have a purpose - to encourage and brow-beat their men into beating the crap out of the enemy. That doesn't work with feminists and gammas respectively. Most of the soldiers returning from WW2 were Alphas, or something close enough to attract women and form nuclear families.

The gamma-fication of America is the evil. But that is why the Constitution is interpreted according to feeling instead of reason.

The worst part is that the women after WW2 were equally strong. I doubt any man wants a female version of "gamma rabbit", he wants, Once I put it as the Alpha-bitch that will handle the den and cubs. Submissive, but still the she-wolf with sharp fangs and an attitude to match and woe be to anyone who threatens her or gets in her way.

Feminists have the facade of strength. That is why they demand gammas with guns protect them.

Blogger tz August 25, 2013 2:34 PM  

In the age of drone warfare this may be possible.

Considering the definition of drone in the biological context, I find the double entendre and irony sweet.

Anonymous stats79 August 25, 2013 2:36 PM  

"A womanized military will end up the Episcopal Church in uniform. The only men left will be gays and wimps."

At that point secession should be a breeze.

Blogger tz August 25, 2013 2:36 PM  

Maureen Dowd wrote "Are Men Necessary?"
Dr. Helen wrote "Men on Strike"
We are finding out the answer to the first experimentally through the second.

Blogger tz August 25, 2013 2:37 PM  

@stats79 At that point secession should be a breeze.

I hadn't thought of that. Maybe I should say "Faster, please!".

Anonymous DonReynolds August 25, 2013 2:38 PM  

This is precisely why I support an all-female U.S. military populated by a draft.

Penrose...."In the age of drone warfare this may be possible."

I gently disagree. Drones and robots are only possible choices for a wealthy society. All of them I know of are headed the same direction as Greece....including the USA.

The Soviets always believed in the "broken back" war and prepared to that end. I disagreed at the time, but now that so many countries are on the verge of bankruptcy, it certainly looks more likely. RPVs, drones, and robots are incredibly expensive and the people necessary to build and maintain such armies may never exist in the future. Pointed sticks and rock slings may be more the norm.

Blogger tz August 25, 2013 2:40 PM  

Oh, and we need more female officers and firefighters, particularly on the SWAT teams in the case of the former. Make it a condition of using DHS grants to buy tanks that half of the personnel will be female.

(Thoughts of Biker Gang v.s. FemCops - oh, I'm sinning in thought but can't stop lingering over the imagery).

Anonymous Stilicho August 25, 2013 2:45 PM  

we can only hope that homeland security has the same glorious diversification

Anyone want to see if there's a correlation between introduction of significant numbers of women and minorities to police forces and the subsequent decline of those forces to the point where they are today? Maybe the number of no-knock raids or police shootings of citizens would provide a metric to compare the numbers with.

Blogger tz August 25, 2013 2:48 PM  

Women.
Military.
Discipline.

Pick only two.

Anonymous Stilicho August 25, 2013 2:50 PM  

decades later, the jury is still out on that one

No it isn't. It was the unmitigated failure that it was predicted to be. Most of the vibrants rack ah disciprine and intestinal fortitude. When the going gets tough, they get to quitting.

Anonymous allyn71 August 25, 2013 2:55 PM  

"Oh, and we need more female officers and firefighters, particularly on the SWAT teams in the case of the former. Make it a condition of using DHS grants to buy tanks that half of the personnel will be female." - tz August 25, 2013 2:40 PM

I hadn't really thought about it till this comment. A moment of reflection made me realize that an increase in the feminization of the military will likely increase the rate of militarization of the police. The chaos will cause men to "ditch the bitch" and leave the service and join the SWAT ranks. I have never seen one picture of a SWAT team with a wymen in it, yet.

Blogger Markku August 25, 2013 3:00 PM  

Do we "officially" know how military drones are controlled? I would guess satellites. Now, this might work against Afghans in caves (who have only managed to take control of ONE drone so far, at least that we know of) but it has an obvious weak point against any military that can shoot down satellites.

Blogger Markku August 25, 2013 3:08 PM  

Here's how I think it will play out.

-USA says, if you shoot down our satellites, we will respond with all of our nuclear arsenal.
-China says, how nice of you to tell us in advance. So, here are our nukes. Catch. And here are your satellites. Catch.

Anonymous frenchy August 25, 2013 3:12 PM  

@ Kh123,

I think the answer is obvious. :-)

@ DonReynolds,

"The US military did not NEED to integrate when Harry Truman made that decision and decades later, the jury is still out on that one."

You live in la la land. Yes, the navy did need to integrate. they all did. people were coming around to realize that racism was wrong and the military was one place to end it. the country had just come out of the largest war in history and blacks participated from soldiers to pilots. I've heard various motives for why Truman integrated, one being he needed bodies for the Korean War. He's dead so i cannot ask him. The fact of the matter was that the discrimination was not based on ability, but race. And I think Jessie Owens answered the physically capable question some years prior.

Can you cite what is legally or morally wrong with this EO?


"It is hereby declared to be the policy of the President that there shall be equality of treatment and opportunity for all persons in the armed services without regard to race, color, religion or national origin. This policy shall be put into effect as rapidly as possible, having due regard to the time required to effectuate any necessary changes without impairing efficiency or morale."

Wow! an EO that is written within the authority of a president! don't see those any more.

Here's a timeline that chronicles the services as they fought the policy: go here.

So uh, what does the bible say about hating your brother without a cause, and loving thy neighbor as thyself?

moving along...if a person pays into a system (or is forced to in all of our cases :-)), I would think he has a right to be a part of it.

you think the jury is still out?! are you serious? The head of CENTCOM is black (would not want that job!), the senior most FAO in the Army is black, and a West Point graduate (and speaks fluent Chinese). and let me catch you up to speed, there are blacks in the SEALS, Green Berets, Para Rescue, etc. The bldg that houses the head of all training for SF in the Army (and therefore pretty much all SOF training in DoD), is named after a black SF NCO who was a CMH winner. Sorry, the verdict came in a long time ago. . .except for those who did not get the memo. That's EO 9981.

Blogger Markku August 25, 2013 3:15 PM  

You tell me that Iron's Sky's ending isn't the most beautiful scene in any movie this decade.

You tell me that.

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother August 25, 2013 3:21 PM  

DonReynolds,

I know what Obvious is going to say. I would like to see them drop the mask and admit that the real purpose is to neuter the military, and simply to bring it in line with the goals of the revolution.

On the subject of blacks in the military, interestingly enough, most blacks are in support positions, such as supply or admin. Note I said "most". Everyone gets exactly what they ask for when they sign up for a MOS. The amount of people that get screwed into a field they didn't want is probably less than the amount on women who get pregnant from being raped.

The vast majority of combat arms personnel are whites and hispanics. I looked that up on one occasion when Charlie Rangel decried racism pushing blacks to the front lines so they could be slaughtered.

Blogger tz August 25, 2013 3:26 PM  

Integration was easy because the difference between a black male (raised in a traditional nuclear family which was true at the time) and a white male is very small. The difference between male and female of any race is far greater. Frederic Douglas was far more similar to Abraham Lincoln than either to their wives.

Blogger Markku August 25, 2013 3:45 PM  

It's a Laibach song, by the way, and we all know how Vox feels about them.

I felt kind of empty, walking out of the movie theater. Like, this medium has now accomplished everything it can, and we should just wrap things up and start writing books again.

Blogger Penrose August 25, 2013 3:49 PM  

Knowing that homogeneity is both preferred among races and more efficient in developing cooperation, what efficacious purpose could integration provide? The answer is none or very little while homogeneity of race and gender will establish cohesion among a group of people. Diversity sows descent. Among the priest class (the professors)the dictates are not handed out along lines of proficiency but morality. The question isn't whether or not blacks and women should fight alongside white men but which option is the most moral, segregation or diversity. To put it in a simple allegory, the mechanic does not care how the motor runs only that it feelings are never hurt.

Anonymous Laz August 25, 2013 3:49 PM  

"Perhaps we should ask Tom Kratman to comment."

Yeah, I wanna hear that one.

"(Thoughts of Biker Gang v.s. FemCops - oh, I'm sinning in thought but can't stop lingering over the imagery)."

lol. For some reason Sandra Bullock comes to mind.

Anonymous righteous gobbler August 25, 2013 3:55 PM  

Say what you will about the 1960,s "Hell no, we won't go!" crowd of hippies and draft dodgers. At least they realized that war is indeed hell on Earth.

Now gays and women are so stupid that they clamor to get into a battalion like it's some kind of exclusive night club.

Is it patriotism that motivates them? Why sure it is.

Anonymous frenchy August 25, 2013 3:56 PM  

@ Stg58,

You are absolutely correct. Years ago, my HS French teacher asked me the same question--"Is it racism that is keeping blacks out of the combat arms?" I answered her in saying that it was not racism, but blacks, for some reason, wanting to go into the support MOSs. And to be honest, i still see it, and still don't get it. i would not be surprised if this was true of all the services.

I attributed it to a slave mentality, or being afraid of taking on more risk.

Anonymous Anonagain August 25, 2013 3:57 PM  

You tell me that Iron's Sky's ending isn't the most beautiful scene in any movie this decade.

You tell me that.


I can't. I am not allowed to see the video:

This video contains content from eOne, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.

Now I will forever be wondering what this awesome ending was like. Thanks, Markku.

Blogger Penrose August 25, 2013 4:02 PM  

Now gays and women are so stupid that they clamor to get into a battalion like it's some kind of exclusive night club.

all races should have their own regiments. then there should be diversity regiments as well. melting pots. then they should be tested to see if the homogenous groups would outperform the diverse groups. that's how to answer which is better. that's more scientific.

Blogger LL August 25, 2013 4:03 PM  

I looked up comparative statistics for women in the Army. The one I looked at was from 1991 (I am on my nook and can't dig too deeply from it) showed about 25k out of 67k enlisted females were in admin (14k) and medical (11k). Someone asked why we need women in the military. It could be argued that in the current all-volunteer system, moving men into these roles would be wasteful of potential fighting stock. That being said, as the military draws down, booting women and moving men who want to stay in the military would be a solution but I don't know how long term it could last. The whole point of the WACS and WAVES was to free up men to fight. It we get into a high-personnel-needs fight, we are right back to where we started.

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother August 25, 2013 4:03 PM  

Frenchy,

I don't know either. I do know that white culture has cultural ideas going back thousands of years of the lone warrior. We don't need to have a hundred guys with us. We have a more individualistic mentality that might figure in to it.

Blogger Penrose August 25, 2013 4:04 PM  

Thanks, Markku.

Thanks, Obama. You and your corporate masters ruined another video for the free white man.

Blogger Markku August 25, 2013 4:06 PM  

Now I will forever be wondering what this awesome ending was like. Thanks, Markku.

Nuclear holocaust, with every missile being a piano key from the Laibach song opening. If only they made music videos as pretty as that.

Anonymous VD August 25, 2013 4:06 PM  

It's a Laibach song, by the way, and we all know how Vox feels about them.

CARIBOU!!!!!!

Blogger Markku August 25, 2013 4:12 PM  

There are other versions that might not be blocked, but they omit the best moment of it all - the first missile. The point when you realize what's happening in the scene.

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 25, 2013 4:13 PM  

One could almost be sad about this decline if the military was anything other than a taxpayer-subsidized mercenary army for a ruling banking cartel to enforce its evil directives and perverted "moral" vision upon the entire planet. The sooner the Banksta Banana Republick's military is rendered into a total laughing stock, the better. It is now a treasonous and genocidal organization who wipes its arse with the constitution every single day, run solely for the benefit of the vampire-squid overlords, poofters (future Republican office holders), wymyn and the ever-vibrant diversity, I'm now rooting for the Taliban goat-humpers or anyone else who wants to send them to their eternal rewards. Anyone remaining in the ranks who is not one of the above (or their willing toady), who hates what has been done is simply a chump, much as the British soldier whose head was hacked off by the nice polite Nigerian Musloid was a chump. As Sam Donaldson chirped after the re-incoronation of Housenigga Hussein: It's our country now!

Blogger Tom Kratman August 25, 2013 4:14 PM  

Save me a metric buttload of typing; most of my opinion is here: http://www.baen.com/amazonsrightbreast.asp, which I've already posted here at least once. Any questions from that I'll try to answer, provided the questioner's already read the article.

Blogger LL August 25, 2013 4:15 PM  

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Anonymous Anonagain August 25, 2013 4:16 PM  

As far as women playing soldiers goes, it's nothing but appeasement to the fascistic forces of political correctness - the morality of the immoral Left, for whom reality and truth are hated obstacles to their delusional godless utopia.

When faced with the disastrous, and inevitable, consequences of their ideology, Leftists always blame unseen and ever-present forces working against their high and mighty ideals - their evil opponent, otherwise known to sane individuals as reality.

Once again, Leftists distract us with a water is wet debate, while they undo society.

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother August 25, 2013 4:20 PM  

I looked up comparative statistics for women in the Army. The one I looked at was from 1991 (I am on my nook and can't dig too deeply from it) showed about 25k out of 67k enlisted females were in admin (14k) and medical (11k). Someone asked why we need women in the military. It could be argued that in the current all-volunteer system, moving men into these roles would be wasteful of potential fighting stock. That being said, as the military draws down, booting women and moving men who want to stay in the military would be a solution but I don't know how long term it could last. The whole point of the WACS and WAVES was to free up men to fight. It we get into a high-personnel-needs fight, we are right back to where we started.

Even in those two specialties, the potential for disaster is imminent. Imagine prostitution rings on ships, boyfriends stealing from supply with the help of their supply GF's, imagine the barracks having a red light district, weekend sex parties with SNCO's banging two Lance Corporals at once, a Gunnery Sergeant being called "Daddy" by the females in his platoon, female Lance Corporals getting NAMC Achivement Medals for unspooling a roll of comm wire, unpopular males getting pay messed up, SRB entries incorrect, lost, etc. Imagine if you bust a female for doing something wrong, she loses her security clearance, then she is sent to work in the company office, where your pay, Service Record Book, admin and personal information is stored. There is almost no limit to the destruction possible.

The military is hypergamy in most clear form. The status of every male is right on the collar. This is why women in the military in any capacity is death to our combat fitness. In the Korean War, Marines who served as butchers, bakers and candlestick makers picked up the Garands and Carbines when needed and killed the North Koreans and Chicoms. There more than a few admin Marines who fought their way out of the Chosin Reservoir along with the infantry Marines.

Anonymous Anonagain August 25, 2013 4:31 PM  

Nuclear holocaust, with every missile being a piano key from the Laibach song opening. If only they made music videos as pretty as that.

I can see the appeal of this scenario. Although I know nothing about this Laibach of which you speak.

Blogger LL August 25, 2013 4:31 PM  

Dude, unspool yourself a little. You say "...the potential for disaster is imminent.". Women have been in those roles since the 70s. I don't consider 40 years as imminent. There have been issues of those nature, but not widespread, and I believe you mention men in those potential scenarios. They are not culpable nor accountable for their own behaviors because women are there also?

Anonymous ENthePeasant August 25, 2013 4:36 PM  

"Put a bullet in her head, and charlie mike.

Credo in Unum Deum "I'd order my fighters to target the females first, and to only shoot to wound."

Best thing that could happen. The troops could put a bullet in their heads to stop the noise and charlie mike."


Exactly!!! Never doubt that men who are in fear of their lives will not look for a reasonable, and quite cold, way out. One study that's been done by the army recently shows that possibly as high as 10% of infantry plt leaders in VN got their wounds from inside their units (of course being officers they likely received a bronze star at minimum for their ineptitude, so their is a president that women can aspire to). This is not friendly fire, it was survival. I shiver at the thought of one of my sons ending up as an EM in an infantry plt, but should it happen and they came to me for advice on dealing with a life threatening idiot, I'd advice them accordingly. All healthy young lads will accept a blow job from comrade Josephine, but as all healthy young men know, this does not necessarily mean we love them for that. We might get into a knife fight for that blow job (it's important) but never feel that we will carry their weight, or risk our lives for the worthless.

I do believe that the progressive powers that be are trying to get more women into combat jobs because they know at present time they will die at the hands of these male soldiers should they get to far down the road to their totalitarian dreams. They are aware that women will burn entire villages, kill their own children and family members, if ordered to do so by a big dicked authority. And they will revel in it. But most of that killing will only be done if some man holds down the citizen. If you fight back they will cower and do what it takes to end the danger to themselves.

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother August 25, 2013 4:38 PM  

LL,

Yes, women have been in those roles since the 70's, and there have been disaster upon disaster. Not a disaster you would see on tv, but in the lives of the people that have to deal with the fallout every time a female Marine does whatever she wants to do.

The men are culpable and are held accountable, most of the time without the woman being held accountable. What you think is ranting is based on what I have seen with my own eyes over the four years I spent on the support and comm side, with four years of infantry and Supergrunt experience as a reference. You say "unspool yourself" I say welcome to the real world.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 25, 2013 4:40 PM  

Any questions from that I'll try to answer, provided the questioner's already read the article.

I have read it, but I don't think you answer the new issue raised above:

How can you have effective discipline in an integrated unit of any kind when females or minorities can claim that any disciplinary action is sexism or racism?

What does the lack of ability to discipline some members of a force do to the overall discipline of the force?

Anonymous The other skeptic August 25, 2013 4:48 PM  

so their is a president that women can aspire to

All spelling mistakes aside, were you thinking of Obama there?

Blogger Tom Kratman August 25, 2013 4:49 PM  

Simple; you can't or, rather, you can't in our society. One can imagine a very different society wherein it might be possible.

Also simple; it ruins it. So why hasn't it been completely ruined so far? Again, simple; most of the troops (of whatever color) on the bleeding edge are there because they want to be; they're self disciplined; they lead a character-building life that tends to build small highly cohesive societies (we call them "companies"), and THEY DON'T HAVE ANY WOMEN SO FAR and only limited and largely hidden gays.

Anonymous DT August 25, 2013 4:51 PM  

Why is it that we have to go to the Daily Mail to get photos of the perps?

Because photos be raciss!

Anonymous ENthePeasant August 25, 2013 5:03 PM  

"All spelling mistakes aside, were you thinking of Obama there?"

I actually meant to do president/precedent, but blew it.

Anonymous ENthePeasant August 25, 2013 5:10 PM  

As someone just reminded me, feminists in power firmly believe that feminism is something worthy of men dying for. the deaths of your sons will be for a great cause, and therefore more than justified. It's practically religion.

Anonymous Anonagain August 25, 2013 5:20 PM  

Geez, Markku. I watched a youtube trailer - the first 4 minutes of Iron Sky in which one is immediately put off by the PC BS - grrrl power, a nigger, and a cracker who is instantly whacked by a Nazi.

That's all I need to see to know that I wouldn't waste the bandwidth to download the torrent files, much less a penny, on such crap. Given the amount of Leftist propaganda depicted in the first 4 minutes, I can certainly understand your enthusiastic approval of the nuclear holocaust ending.

Blogger Kristophr August 25, 2013 5:23 PM  

And when women get into combat companies, individual trust inside the units will vanish.

Once trust is gone, civilization evaporates. The first barbs that push hard against a combat unit with women in it will walk right over it.

Blogger Markku August 25, 2013 5:32 PM  

Geez, Markku. I watched a youtube trailer - the first 4 minutes of Iron Sky in which one is immediately put off by the PC BS - grrrl power, a nigger, and a cracker who is instantly whacked by a Nazi.

You might think so, but it's a ruse. It is almost shockingly un-PC. Only a few moments after the opening, the negro confesses that he doesn't know anything about the equipment, he is just a model who got hired to do the spacewalk because it would be good PR for Nasa.

And that's by no means the end of it. There was one joke that was so shockingly un-pc that the audience absolutely roared with laughter.

Anonymous DonReynolds August 25, 2013 5:38 PM  

Frenchy...."You live in la la land. Yes, the navy did need to integrate. they all did. people were coming around to realize that racism was wrong and the military was one place to end it."

First, you need to understand that segregation is not racism, nor is it wrong to segregate, and in the absence of government authority, people will segregate themselves and do very often. No, that does not make them all evil.

Second, stop getting your information from revisionist tv dramas and movies.

And finally, strange you should mention the elite military organizations in particular, to make your argument. Here are some interesting stats, you should already know, even if they are not mentioned during Black History Month:

The Army Special Forces, known by distinctive green berets, has 234 African-American officers and soldiers in a force of 5,200 men. Blacks make up 4.5 percent of the Green Berets, compared with nearly 24 percent of the male soldiers in the Army.

The Navy has only 31 blacks among its 2,299 Sea-Air-Land, or SEAL, commandos, less than 2 percent of the force. African-Americans constitute nearly 17 percent of the male personnel within the Navy.

And, the Air Force' s special-tactics groups have only eight blacks in a force of 472 men, less than 2 percent. Servicewide, about 14 percent of the Air Force' s male personnel are African-American.

Like I said, the jury is still out.

Anonymous Anonagain August 25, 2013 5:55 PM  

You might think so, but it's a ruse. It is almost shockingly un-PC.

I see. I'll take a look at it then and see the awesome ending for myself. Obviously, I was completely taken in by you cunning Finns. I'm going by all the names in the opening credits - the movie is a Finnish production or from someplace where people have funny names and use umlauts. And I can make fun of that because my name has an umlaut. Yes, I carry the stigma of having a last name with an umlaut-ed vowel, that nobody can pronounce, unless one happens to be Hungarian.

Blogger Markku August 25, 2013 6:18 PM  

I'm a bit worried though that I have spoiled the emotional effect right now, since you know what to expect. The magic was really in not realizing what the missile was until it hit. It telegraphed the scene just enough that you immediately understood what is happening at that moment, but not so much that you did while it was in the air.

It was just a little final, morbid joke, but the timing and then the song was just perfect for me.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 25, 2013 6:22 PM  

he is just a model who got hired to do the spacewalk because it would be good PR for Nasa.

Heh. They hire white guys in Beijing just to give their companies some big mojo.

Now that is white privilege.

Anonymous Anonagain August 25, 2013 6:29 PM  

I'm a bit worried though that I have spoiled the emotional effect right now, since you know what to expect.

Don't worry. I've already forgotten about that. ADD has its advantages.

OpenID cailcorishev August 25, 2013 6:38 PM  

Those of you who think the military will balk at obeying orders to shoot civilians, take note.

I've had no illusions about that since US soldiers helped burn the Branch Dividians. If Obama just suddenly ordered the Army to march on Ohio, yeah, many might balk. But it won't happen that way; they'll be sent to take out small groups and individuals who have been thoroughly demonized and declared terrorists or otherwise enemies of America, and the targets will gradually get larger and more numerous.

Blogger kurt9 August 25, 2013 6:43 PM  

The solution to a feminized military is already underway. Special forces and privatization. Seriously. Future wars will be increasingly fought by special forces (SEALs, Rangers, Green Berets, etc.) as well as private military companies. A lot of the follow-on fighting in Iraq as well as Afghanistan was and has been done by such entities.

The other coin to drop is automation/robotization, which the well-known aerial drones is only the first step. Combat and logistics supply robots (warbots, warbeiters, etc.) are being developed at a rate that few civilians are aware of.

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother August 25, 2013 6:48 PM  

Cail,

You are exactly right. The salami slicer/Bonhoeffer technique.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 25, 2013 7:03 PM  

Ex Army Colonel wants to be a woman and supports the rights of transgendered things in the military.

Anonymous Godfrey August 25, 2013 7:43 PM  

When will the Obama girls be joining the military and deployed in combat? How about Clinton's daughter?

Oh wait, that's just something for poor black and white girls to do... not for those among the power elite. The daughters of the power elite get to go to elite schools, elite parties and ultimately elite jobs.

Anonymous physphilmusic August 25, 2013 8:41 PM  

The Army Special Forces, known by distinctive green berets, has 234 African-American officers and soldiers in a force of 5,200 men. Blacks make up 4.5 percent of the Green Berets, compared with nearly 24 percent of the male soldiers in the Army.

The Navy has only 31 blacks among its 2,299 Sea-Air-Land, or SEAL, commandos, less than 2 percent of the force. African-Americans constitute nearly 17 percent of the male personnel within the Navy.

And, the Air Force' s special-tactics groups have only eight blacks in a force of 472 men, less than 2 percent. Servicewide, about 14 percent of the Air Force' s male personnel are African-American.


I don't understand what these stats are supposed to show regarding segregation vs. integration in the Army. So fewer blacks are in the Special Forces. Is that surprising? Getting into the Special Forces probably requires more than just physical ability - a higher-than-average degree of intelligence is also essential. Given that the average IQ of blacks is a standard deviation less than whites, it's not surprising that less of them manage to make the cut. Plus as some have already pointed out, a large percentage of black soldiers choose to become admin/support instead. But some blacks still do qualify for Special Forces, and you haven't brought up any evidence that they're getting affirmative action to get in, or that they're messing things up. Neither have you brought up any evidence that, for example, the capabilities of US commando units have decreased since integration. In other words, your doubts about the benefits of racial integration in the army seemed to be based more on general arguments against racial integration rather than specific instances of racial integration creating real conflict and problems in the military.

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni August 25, 2013 8:42 PM  

Seems obvious that, in order for equality to be enforced, on principle, all first-line combat units should be made up entirely of women until as many women have been killed in combat as men have been in the last 240 years defending the women of America and their children. In any real war that should take about three weeks, then the men will take it back over and win it.

Anonymous Feh August 25, 2013 8:47 PM  

As someone just reminded me, feminists in power firmly believe that feminism is something worthy of men dying for. the deaths of your sons will be for a great cause, and therefore more than justified.

No fucking way is my son ever joining the US military.

Or my daughter, for that matter.

Anonymous physphilmusic August 25, 2013 8:49 PM  

First, you need to understand that segregation is not racism, nor is it wrong to segregate, and in the absence of government authority, people will segregate themselves and do very often. No, that does not make them all evil.

In theory, there is nothing wrong with segregation, and people do self-segregate naturally along racial, ethnic, and nationalist lines. But if segregation is formalized and codified into law, and if "separate but equal" turns out to not really be equal in practice, the portion of the population which feels slighted will naturally start becoming resentful. Hence the Civil Rights movement.

Anonymous Roundtine August 25, 2013 9:15 PM  

It is worse than that, the Army doesn't allow discipline anymore. A female friend of mine is an officer and tried to court martial a female soldier who intentionally became pregnant while on active duty. She was told she can't do that.

Anonymous DonReynolds August 25, 2013 9:21 PM  

physphilmusic..."you haven't brought up any evidence that they're getting affirmative action to get in, or that they're messing things up. Neither have you brought up any evidence that, for example, the capabilities of US commando units have decreased since integration."

I made no such claims, since these are some of the least integrated units in the military. Obviously, if they are not there, they certainly cannot mess anything up.

physphilmusic..."In other words, your doubts about the benefits of racial integration in the army seemed to be based more on general arguments against racial integration rather than specific instances of racial integration creating real conflict and problems in the military."

If you are unaware of any racial conflict in the US military, before or after integration, then you are willfully unaware. It is not actually a secret history.

physphilmusic...."But if segregation is formalized and codified into law, and if "separate but equal" turns out to not really be equal in practice, the portion of the population which feels slighted will naturally start becoming resentful. Hence the Civil Rights movement."

I see what you mean.....like Affirmative Action, preferential hiring and admissions to higher education, black-only scholarships, black-only campus organizations, black colleges, special tutoring and training programs, Head Start, subprime mortgage lending, differential grading scales, ACT score normalization, economic integration, hate crime legislation, NAACP, SPLC, social justice, and selective enforcement of the law. Yes, there is always resentment to deal with when one group is favored unfairly over others.

Anonymous physphilmusic August 25, 2013 9:35 PM  

If you are unaware of any racial conflict in the US military, before or after integration, then you are willfully unaware. It is not actually a secret history.

Fair enough. I confess my ignorance over this topic. It would have been more helpful to prove your point if you had brought up some of these actual incidents.

I see what you mean.....like Affirmative Action, preferential hiring and admissions to higher education, black-only scholarships, black-only campus organizations, black colleges, special tutoring and training programs, Head Start, subprime mortgage lending, differential grading scales, ACT score normalization, economic integration, hate crime legislation, NAACP, SPLC, social justice, and selective enforcement of the law.

Exactly. In my opinion, if the Civil Rights movement had ended with equality of opportunity, it would have been fine. But instead, the Leftists insisted on reverse discrimination. (Brings me to mind a 1980s Thomas Sowell video, where he insists that based on polls few people in the black community originally favored affirmative action - it was the academic intellectual leftists who pushed it. Don't know how much of that is true right now though.)

Reverse discrimination has been sustainable for several decades, because it could feed off some white guilt. And whites were indeed the the overwhelming majority of those in administrative power during the 1950s-70s or so. But today, what I see happening is that growing numbers of whites (specifically, the ones who aren't SWPL rabbits who live in rich gated communities) are seeing that they definitely aren't the clear majority anymore, but these reverse discrimination policies are still in place. Especially since things like affirmative action aren't hitting rich white private school kids the most: it's the rural, poor, working-class and lower middle-class whites who are getting shut out of the Ivies and so on. Hence, what we see is the beginnings of some kind of reverse white Civil Rights movement, because there are many whites who feel slighted. In other words, your argument here supports my point.

Anonymous DonReynolds August 25, 2013 11:45 PM  

physphilmusic...."Fair enough. I confess my ignorance over this topic. It would have been more helpful to prove your point if you had brought up some of these actual incidents."

Here are a few references, just to be helpful. These documents are mostly summaries and do not include a lot of the fine detail. But they are a good introduction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Lejeune_Incident

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_United_States

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/special/racial_incidents.htm

http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1981/nov-dec/osur.htm

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=2390

http://vietnamraceriot.blogspot.com/2004/10/racial-incidents-onboard-uss-kitty.html

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O126-EthnicityandRaceinthMltry.html

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=37846

http://toto.lib.unca.edu/sr_papers/history_sr/srhistory_2008/destefano_frederick.pdf

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h3982.html

http://www.palmcenter.org/publications/dadt/u_s_military_integration_of_religious_ethnic_and_racial_minorities_in_the_twentieth_century

Anonymous Discard August 26, 2013 1:52 AM  

In my time in an infantry division, decades ago, it was clear that Blacks were a complete drain on the unit. I have no statistics, other than that my unit was over 1/4 Black. Racial turmoil, all of it started by Blacks, was the SOP. Blacks ALWAYS threw the first punch, without warning. We hated them because they acted according to stereotype. Holding up a few exceptional cases as evidence of success is standard Leftist propaganda. The net effect of Blacks is entirely negative.

Anonymous nick digger August 26, 2013 1:56 AM  

You might think so, but it's a ruse. It is almost shockingly un-PC.

I skipped through the movie, and the only thing I remember from the ending is a hot blonde shagging a nigger to celebrate their victory over the turrble, ebil nazis. For some reason, I haven't been motivated to watch the whole thing yet.

Anonymous Anonagain August 26, 2013 1:59 AM  

I may never talk to you again, Markku. That was the most godawful, BS, PC, nigger who can do no wrong saves the day and gets the blonde ex-Nazi-cunt-turned-savior of mankind on the moon while all the white men are evil, stupid, gamma good for nothing destroyers of the Earth, Leftist claptrap brainwashing piece of trash I've ever had the misfortune of setting my still-offended eyes on.

Dammit, Markku. The ONLY, and I mean ONLY, bright spot in this black hole of utter Leftist PC insanity were the bits and pieces of Wagner in the background. Bloody hell. That you would think this delusional nightmare is not PC makes me wonder just what's in that Finnish head of yours, which I used think was so clear thinking and insightful.

I only regret that I do not have a DVD of this abomination of reality that I can smash to smithereens, douse in gasoline and burn it to ashes, then flush the ashes down the toilet.

Anonymous Anonagain August 26, 2013 2:04 AM  

I skipped through the movie, and the only thing I remember from the ending is a hot blonde shagging a nigger to celebrate their victory over the turrble, ebil nazis. For some reason, I haven't been motivated to watch the whole thing yet.

I am envious of your escape.

Anonymous nick digger August 26, 2013 2:09 AM  

DonReynolds, while your list of evidence is impressive, those unfortunate incidents are just the small price we have to pay, to prove to ourselves that We Have Overcome.

That said, another nasty side-effect of integration is that it turned all branches of the military into a nationwide busing program -- transplanting subspecies across the countryside (and globe), into environments they did not belong, when they should have remained concentrated in bases near their homes. Temporary assignments to faraway bases would not normally pose a problem, except for when the discharge date arrives, they are offered an all-expenses-paid trip home, or the cash equivalent. Shockingly, some enlistees choose cash-in-hand over going back to tha hood.

Anonymous nick digger August 26, 2013 2:13 AM  

Anonagain, I'm sincerely sorry I didn't post my review a few minutes earlier, to save you from having to pour Liquid Drano over your eyeballs.

Anonymous Anonagain August 26, 2013 2:23 AM  

Anonagain, I'm sincerely sorry I didn't post my review a few minutes earlier, to save you from having to pour Liquid Drano over your eyeballs.

Thanks. I appreciate the sentiment.

I think my brain is damaged now. I know I will have nightmares tonight. That kind of twistedness is like a toxic spill in the brain - it does not simply evaporate from the neural network without a trace.

Blogger Markku August 26, 2013 2:47 AM  

Nigger saves the day, AND BAM! End of the world! Human race, gone. Just when I thought the movie was going to end on a downer, that happens.

Blogger Markku August 26, 2013 2:55 AM  

And that is why I would stare stupidly at the OBVIOUS icbm without understanding what it is, because I had already concluded it had a very different kind of an end.

Anonymous Anonagain August 26, 2013 3:04 AM  

You are an evil Finn who should have known better than to lure me into that nightmare with promises of unPC. You must know how much I despise PCness and any sort of Leftist propaganda. I kept waiting for something to prove that you weren't as insane as the movie and it never happened.

And the human race is NOT gone, it's on the moon - where the latest, greatest mulatto race, completely brainwashed against the evils of white men will be bred. All the stupid people killed themselves or were killed. The goooood people and soon to be re-programmed people all survived.

No, no. There was nothing to wait for in the end. It's all laid out perfectly clear. You have a screw lose in that Finnish head.

Anonymous Anonagain August 26, 2013 3:05 AM  

loose

Blogger Markku August 26, 2013 3:10 AM  

Well, yes, a handful would survive. And exactly one black man's worth of genes that would be effectively wiped out in a few generations. I guess I'll just have to write that off as a reasonable price for having the real end surprise me.

Anonymous Anonagain August 26, 2013 3:21 AM  

Well, yes, a handful would survive. And exactly one black man's worth of genes that would be effectively wiped out in a few generations. I guess I'll just have to write that off as a reasonable price for having the real end surprise me.

Now you're just making me laugh. The intended, take-away message of the movie was NOT an assumed extrapolation into a future where the black genes would be wiped out.

I am going to have a glass of wine in an attempt to alleviate a most unsettling knowledge that I live in a world in which this monstrosity was created.

We shall not speak of this most unfortunate incident again. I forgive you.

Blogger Markku August 26, 2013 3:31 AM  

You are probably imagining fat, evil studio execs plotting propaganda on the audience. But I almost know Samuli and Timo. I have been watching their crude Star Treck fanfic from since the Nineties. They're basically two nerds who made their first real movie with Iron Sky. Yes, they're SWPL, but they made several jokes that were considered in extremely bad taste by American audiences, albeit not actually racist.

I was already prepared to forgive that they had to make an apology to PC in the end, lest they never work in the industry again.

And then, nuclear holocaust.

Anonymous Anonagain August 26, 2013 3:44 AM  

You are probably imagining fat, evil studio execs plotting propaganda on the audience.

OK, we'll keep it going if you want.

No, I did not at all imagine fat, old, Leftist, Jew studio execs - that's what really was so demoralizing about the thing. I knew this was the work of younger guys who are not in the mainstream. I was hoping for some real unPCness - for a change from the current rottenness that is eating away our civilization. It was nothing of the sort. That movie might have been a Mel Brooks creation - without the profundity.

Blogger Markku August 26, 2013 3:54 AM  

le sigh

Ok, ok, I promise I'll strive to improve on my racism in the near future. Clearly I have backslidden.

Anonymous Anonagain August 26, 2013 4:02 AM  

Ok, ok, I promise I'll strive to improve on my racism in the near future. Clearly I have backslidden.

I wouldn't have you change one hair on your head for me, Markku, well, except this here defensive baloney which is not your usual style. I think you are simply being a proud Finn who wants to love and be proud of everything your people do - including sorry ass PC movies.

Anonymous Ann Morgan August 26, 2013 6:49 AM  

I'd say men have themselves strongly to blame for all this. When given a choice between the following three classes of women:

1. Modest women
2. Prick teases who sell the sizzle but not the steak
3. Women who actually give them sex

They will choose #2, without fail, almost every time, to give most of their time and money to. This teaches women that both discipline, and actual performance are not rewarded, and that the best way to get what they want is to manipulate emotions.

Blogger Justthisguy August 26, 2013 4:17 PM  

Colonel, I've read that essay before, and just read it again. With a sharp dry wit like that, I am surprised that you rose as high as you did in the Army. You must have tremendous self-control in social (surrounded by senior dumbasses) situations.

I think you've answered all likely questions with that essay, but I'm reminded of something Dorothy Grant wrote on her blog; she was entertaining a feminist military person of some kind for a few days, and said fmp did not seem to be able to understand the concept of "mission first", seeming to think that accomplishing the mission was not as important as letting the gals participate.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 26, 2013 7:15 PM  

No, I reread the punitive articles of the UCMJ religiously, every six months, to prepare my defense and finesse my offense, in advance. That, and a few pertinent regs. And I drank a lot back then to numb the pain.

What you get by overpromoting women who thinks it's more important that the gals participate is more women, at higher ranks, who think it's more important that the gals participate.

It's amazing, but they're not all like that. That woman I mentioned in the essay, Kat Miller, was so solid and great I seriously would have given her a rifle platoon in my company and have every confidence she'd have handled it superbly. (She disagreed, but since I outranked her at the time...) She, on the other hand, was a real soldier, not a real feminist. And she was the only one I ever met quite like her. One indicator of her quality: She never made general. Can you imagine how hard she must have worked at being unPC to have as much ability, not least sheer leadership ability, and not make general?

Blogger Kristophr August 27, 2013 1:00 AM  

Anonagain August 25, 2013 5:55 PM "Yes, I carry the stigma of having a last name with an umlaut-ed vowel, that nobody can pronounce, unless one happens to be Hungarian."

And the stigma of speaking a language that is very similar to Finnish. Heh.

BTW, that black man's genes will mostly disappear by generation six, unless one of them carries an important pro-survival trait. Each generation gets only half of the genes, chosen at random, from each parent. By generation six, the odds of getting a single gene all they way through are small.

You are not related at all, genetically, to your great_x_five grandparents. Or at the very most, share a single gene, on average.


Blogger Kristophr August 27, 2013 1:03 AM  

( one aside: you do have, if you are male, your Great_x_five's Y chromosome, unless it was damaged, or unless the milkman secretly intervened. )

Blogger Markku August 27, 2013 4:28 AM  

BTW, that black man's genes will mostly disappear by generation six, unless one of them carries an important pro-survival trait. Each generation gets only half of the genes, chosen at random, from each parent. By generation six, the odds of getting a single gene all they way through are small.

Whereas the entirety of the rest of surviving human race would have been 100% pure, ethnically cleansed white. And I'm supposed to feel bad about this?

Blogger Sue Botchie August 30, 2013 4:35 PM  

We swim in dangerous waters whenever we attempt to masculinize women.

Blogger Sue Botchie August 30, 2013 4:36 PM  

We swim in dangerous waters whenever we attempt to masculinize women.

Blogger Sue Botchie August 30, 2013 4:37 PM  

We swim in dangerous waters whenever we attempt to masculinize women.

Blogger Sue Botchie August 30, 2013 4:37 PM  

We swim in dangerous waters whenever we attempt to masculinize women.

Blogger Sue Botchie August 30, 2013 4:37 PM  

We swim in dangerous waters whenever we attempt to masculinize women.

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