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Monday, December 23, 2013

The Patriarch teaches

Phil Robertson is now America's Patriarch:
[H]e stood in front of the small class, at White's Ferry Road Church wearing his full camouflage suit and addressed the group for around 45 minutes.

He said: ‘I have been immoral, drunk, high. I ran with the wicked people for 28 years and I have run with the Jesus people since and the contrast is astounding.

‘I tell people, "You are a sinner, we all are. Do you want to hear my story before I give you the bottom line on your story?"

‘We murder each other and we steal from one another, sex and immorality goes ballistic. All the diseases that just so happen to follow sexual mischief… boy there are some microbes running around now.

‘Sexual sins are numerous and many, I have a few myself. So what is your safest course of action? If you’re a man, find yourself a woman, marry them and keep your sex right there.

‘You can have fun, but one thing is for sure, as long as you are both healthy in the first place, you are not going to catch some debilitating illness, there is safety there.

‘Commonsense says we are not going to procreate the human race unless we have a man and a woman. From the beginning Jesus said, "It is a man and a woman." Adam was made and Eve was made for this reason. They left their fathers and mothers and be united to become one flesh, that’s what marriage is all about.

‘But we looked at it and said it was an outdated stereotype. When you look back at the human race, the sins have always been the same: We get high, we get drunk, we get laid, we steal and kill.

‘Has this changed at all from the time God burnt up whole cities because their every thought was evil?’

Then reading from the Bible he said, ‘The acts of the sinful nature are obvious. Sexual immorality, is number one on the list. How many ways can we sin sexually? My goodness. You open up that can of worms and people will be mad at you over it.

‘I am just reading what was written over 2000 years ago. Those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom. All I did was quote from the scriptures, but they just didn’t know it. Whether I said it, or they read it, what’s the difference? The sins are the same, humans haven’t changed.

‘If you give them the bad news, they’ll start kicking and screaming. But you love them more than you fear them, so you tell them.

‘A lot of times they don’t even wait for you to finish and say, ‘But there’s a way out, do you want to hear the rest of the story or what?

‘Jesus will take sins away, if you’re a homosexual he’ll take it away, if you’re an adulterer, if you’re a liar, what’s the difference? If you break one sin you may as well break them all.

‘If we lose our morality, we will lose our country. It will happen. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could all walk around without stealing from each other and killing each other?

‘Why don’t we just love each other enough that we wouldn’t want to do these things to each other?’

Robertson – who made his fortune from inventing and manufacturing hunting equipment before finding TV stardom – went on: ‘We are a bunch of rednecks from Louisiana, but I am not uneducated, I have a degree from Louisiana Tech.

'But this week I have been called an ignoramus. This week I have been asked, "Is this the first time you have brought up sin?" I said, "Are you kidding? I have been traveling to and fro spreading this message."

'Then he said, "Well do you invite yourself to go and get your Bible and tell people what you are now sharing with us?" I said, "No they are inviting me."

‘I have made hundreds and hundreds of speeches and you can pick them apart and the center has always been Jesus Christ.

‘Do many people get up and walk out? Yeah, all the time, do I hold it against them? No. Anybody can get up and stop listening. We are all just humans on this planet.’

He added: ‘Jesus Christ was the most perfect being to ever walk this planet and he was persecuted and nailed to the cross, so please don’t be surprised when we get a little static.’
The best part, however, was how he closed in prayer: "I will not give or back off from my path because you conquered death, Father, so we are not worried about all the repercussions."

May God grant us all similar fearlessness in Jesus Christ. That spirit of fear you sometimes feel didn't come from Him. We can always find a reason to back down, an excuse to worry about the repercussions. Phil Robertson reminds us that as Christians, we are always going to get a little static, so we may as well grow up spiritually and accept it.

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Anonymous ENthePeasant December 23, 2013 4:21 AM  

No Quarter. Good man.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 23, 2013 4:25 AM  

There's a man who's not swayed by what all the best people are doing because his view of who the best person was and is is not up for grabs.

There's strength in that.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 23, 2013 5:40 AM  

The Bible is large, and the message it contains (the Missa, for you heathens) is large, and so it's hard for anyone to contain all the good stuff in their heads completely and simultaneously at once; you have to sort of let one thing or another be emphasized at one time or another. To me, one of the perennials is, "BE NOT AFRAID."

Phil and Willie and Uncle Si and Jase and their crew are pretty all right with me. And, importantly, they understand the command, "BE NOT AFRAID."

If you haven't seen the show, it's a scream, man. The first two seasons are great, I thought the third was a little weak, but whatcha gonna do. The whole thing about the Redneck Water-Park is worth the price of admission alone.

Y'all bow.

Anonymous Cranberry December 23, 2013 6:02 AM  

Even before DD came about, I was familiar with the Duck Commander and Buck Commander brands. My husband is an avid hunter and only uses Duck Commander calls because they are so good. In the hunting world, the Robertsons are respected for what they produce.

I am learning so much more about the family from this dust-up. Reading their bios you realize just how strong adversity has made them.

Phil is so right when he says "‘If we lose our morality, we will lose our country. It will happen." It is happening.

I pray for them, for all of us, for the persecuted Christians in the Holy Land and throughout the world, and I pray for a Christian world. A bona fide community of people who walk in Christ and need not fear singing carols or wishing Merry Christmas to each other, who make of their hearts mangers to receive the Christ child.

I did not really believe, at first, that muticulturalism and the diversity cult were aimed at destroying Christianity, but it is all clear now what the endgame was of all the strength we were receiving from diversity.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 23, 2013 6:18 AM  

"Phil is so right when he says "‘If we lose our morality, we will lose our country. It will happen." It is happening."

Oh, already done and dusted, m'dear. What's this "our" "country" you speak of? There is no country, and there is no "our," and there is no "we". Time to carve out a new country, it's gonna be the only way, I'm sorry to tell you.

Anonymous Anonymous December 23, 2013 6:34 AM  

old white guy says................Amen and Merry Christmas.

Blogger Adam Lawson December 23, 2013 6:34 AM  

I think, in the end, GLAAD will regret picking this fight. Robertson is far smarter than they think he looks. I feel like they thought, "Oh hey, this popular bumpkin said something we don't like. Let's go collect a war trophy by taking him down."

Not going to happen. They can't go into his past and find some damning sin like they typically do. He owns up to all of them. He admits we are all flawed. It'd only strengthen his arguments.

Which makes him more dangerous to them than they realize.

Anonymous Cranberry December 23, 2013 6:44 AM  

Adam, I'm not sure about GLAAD's ignorance of Phil's savvy. Maybe most people who align themselves with GLAAD think Phil is a bumpkin redneck rayciss, but don't kid yourself that the organizers of groups like GLAAD don't have some ability to estimate their opponents.

Rather, they underestimated flyover folk and the level of support they get from the American People. America is more than NY, LA, Portland OR and Seattle. And I'd venture a guess that Portland, at least, is more conservative than is presented, or is becoming so.

My SIL is gay and has a partner (they consider themselves married, but...NO). They live in...you guessed it: Portland, OR! We hear from them now and then, about how the city is changing and is not so friendly to progressive ideas, and how drifters and layabouts are asked about getting jobs rather than begging or living on welfare. I've never been to Portland, OR but it seems that it's becoming an uncomfortable place for the Progs to live.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 23, 2013 6:59 AM  

"I'd venture a guess that Portland, at least, is more conservative than is presented, or is becoming so."

Oh yeah, there's a bit of that, I've seen it, having spent some time in the delightful Rose City. It isn't yet quite hugely widespread, but it's definitely noticeable. The Dark Enlightenment is not an optical illusion, or any sort of illusion --- it's really happening.

As an aside, Portland is a total gem, and is worth defending from the Mudslide.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 23, 2013 7:00 AM  

Cranberry: "I did not really believe, at first, that muticulturalism and the diversity cult were aimed at destroying Christianity, but it is all clear now what the endgame was of all the strength we were receiving from diversity."

Life is understood partly in categories, but lived in the long run "in the round".

The bad guys understood this. The good guys did not.

In a condition maximally oriented to survival, race, religion and ethnicity are all one thing. You cannot attack the religion without those who have a merely cultural identity realizing that this is a long term threat to them too, and organizing to act. You cannot attack the people, including those of no religion, without the religion condemning it and serving as a banner to rally around. Both the religion and ethnic cultures promote in-marriage, fertility and high-investment parenting. The whole is self-regenerating, in a way contending fractions would not be.

We have not been like that. It's flabbergasting how willing "practical, hard-headed" men of nationalism and capitalism have been to allow Christianity to be attacked and (as a living culture) harmed. There is nothing "practical" or "hard-headed" about letting the capstone of your ethnic and national morality be destroyed; the consequences are inevitable and dire. Everything "dumb, backward" clergymen used to say about how morality would be destroyed if Christianity was thrown down has come to pass, and more, and all the complacency of secular "geniuses" has proven unfounded. So much so that the only way to argue that morality was not destroyed is to argue that abortion mills, slut walks and the compulsory education of children in the advantages of homosexuality constitutes moral improvement, and a collapse in the white birth-rate is the good tree bringing forth good fruit.

Priests and the pious have been suckers in a parallel way. They are like shepherds, who if the wolves ask them "may we eat up your flocks?" will say "no!" but if the wolves more cleverly ask them "we would not eat 'your flocks' but may we eat up these 'white wooly quadrupeds?'" the shepherds will say "go ahead!" If there is a Catholic-Polish neighborhood that has tremendous staying power because the race, ethnicity and religion are one thing, all you have to do to get the support of the priests in annihilating it with mass immigration and forced assimilation is say that you are not "busting up Christian communities" you are "fighting racism". When the community happens to be white it's the same thing happening to the same people. But woe unto the sheep with stupid shepherds and clever, articulate wolves.

As to race, which is to ethnic culture what the wall is to relief sculpture, there everyone has failed.

So far, the Duck Dynasty guys are exhibiting strong family ties, an unapologetic culture and strong faith, all mutually reinforcing. That's how you do it.

Too bad this plain wisdom is completely outside what was comprehensible to our intellectuals, before our culture got conquered and when what our intellectuals thought might have counted for something, if they had been wise.

Blogger mmaier2112 December 23, 2013 7:01 AM  

It's amazing that folks look at ME like the man with two heads when I say homosexuals cannot be married, no matter what the law says.

Idiots. I'm surrounded by frikkin' idiots.

Blogger Nate December 23, 2013 7:11 AM  

One of the best parts of this.... is how the word "patriarch" is applied to him in almost every article.

You know that just has feminist heads exploding.

Blogger Lud VanB December 23, 2013 7:11 AM  

yes...the courage of a man talking mythological nonsense among like minded individuals and insulated by his wealth from the rest of the world...truly I am in awe

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 23, 2013 7:16 AM  

Nate: "You know that just has feminist heads exploding."

:)

Anonymous Cranberry December 23, 2013 7:20 AM  

Titus, are you from Hamtramck? The Polish Catholic half of my heritage hails from Newark, NJ and suffered greatly from integration/bussing. My grandfather moved his family from Newark to "the sticks" to avoid the scourge of anti-Catholic, pro-integration forces. Two years after the move, the Newark riots happened at the very school my mother and uncles would have attended. As it was, my mom's suburban high school was held hostage for three days by angry blacks protesting white privilege in solidarity with the Newark riots.

I wonder now at what I hear from the pulpit each week. Truthfully, I don't reject people of faith due to a different cultural heritage or background, but there are differences and to ignore them is peril, but even more perilous is to act as though my own culture is somehow inferior to theirs. And from the pulpit, I seem to get this message: your own Eurocentric views are against Christ.

Pope Francis is going to bring about the next Great Schism in the Catholic church. I used to call myself "Catholic" but I'm beginning to thing "Christian" is the far better descriptor, though I align my beliefs with the doctrines and dogmas of the Catholic religion. Modern Catholicism, if practiced as Francis I seems to indicate is proper for Christians, is heretical. Did Mary doubt Jesus? Should we turn a blind eye to the scourge of abortion, or the issue of homosexuality, or sexual immorality in general? This leadership confuses me.

Blogger Fred December 23, 2013 7:23 AM  

Amen.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 23, 2013 7:24 AM  

LVB @7:11 AM..... (and yes, btw, the white courtesy phone is ringing, you oughta cop to the fact you're doing an Anthony Burgess thang -- I hope at the very least you have the good taste to conceive it as a Burgess thang, and not a Kubrick thang....)

Your remark is of course an imbecility smeared with retarded monkey-shit, but at least you've made the effort of trying to draw a crude pattern in the dirt with a stick cleverly covered in dried monkey-shit, which is more than most leftists usually attempt, so I'll salute you for that much...

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 23, 2013 7:27 AM  

"Pope Francis is going to bring about the next Great Schism in the Catholic church."

It's becoming clearer and clearer, as time goes on, that Pope Francis is an utterly appalling, disgusting insult to his namesake.

Blogger buzzardist December 23, 2013 7:30 AM  

Wow, that has to be one of the most beautiful things I've read in a long time.

No offense, Vox, Quantum Mortis was a good read, but reading these words from Robertson actually had me gasping. Not a word extra, not a word too many. Precisely what needs to be said.

I've never watched Duck Dynasty and didn't know who this guy was two weeks ago apart from seeing his photo on promos, but A&E has unwittingly vaulted him into the most prominent pulpit anybody has had in America in more than a generation.

My prayers are very much with Robertson and his family. His full-throated voicing of the gospel and refusal to rewrite scripture to fit modern sensibilities has put a target on Robertson's back and on his family. Enemies of Christianity and trolls on the left are going to be looking for every possible slip-up and foible that might discredit the man. Coming out of this firestorm unscathed will be a miracle on par with those described in Daniel.

Anonymous Rosalys December 23, 2013 7:31 AM  

I've never watched Duck Dynasty - I just kinda thought it was not my kind of entertainment And I still think that it is probably not my thing, That being said however, God bless Phil Robertson! He's gutsy and he's standing strong; and he does so in a loving and non-self rites way. I'm so sick of all of the gutless apologies from people who have done nothing, said nothing wrong but seem to need the approval of a fallen world. God bless you again and again, Phil Robertson!

Anonymous Rosalys December 23, 2013 7:35 AM  

Sorry! Typo! I meant to say "non-self righteous". In fact I know that is what I wrote, but the "spelling master" changed it as it tried to do again while writing this correction! What gives? I don't like this new feature!

Anonymous Cranberry December 23, 2013 7:35 AM  

Scoob, this Sunday's Communion meditation hymn was the Prayer of Saint Francis. It has been my favorite prayer, and hymn, since I learned it as a child in Catholic school. I still know it by heart and the two young girls in the pew in front of me were wondering that I could sing it without reading the hymnal. They asked me after Mass how I knew it without practice; what could I say? I just told them that it was an old prayer and an old song, and Catholics know it, or should.

Pope Francis appears to be taking the world of Saint Francis' great prayer beyond their humble origins and meaning and twisting them to an end that is neither Christian nor humble.

The Prayer of Saint Francis seeks that we be humble, and forgiving, and SEEING before we ask others to do so. A noble end, but before we can see and forgive the sins of abortion, and infidelity (to God or our brethren), and to be bearers of light in lives of darkness, we must first see our own sin, and clean and keep our own houses.

Pope Francis seems to think we need not keep our own house, therefore we need not mind the homes of others. It's a twisted view of Matthew 7 and one that I find many Churchians and atheists will offer as a means to discredit Christian arguments for morality.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 23, 2013 7:37 AM  

"I've never watched Duck Dynasty and didn't know who this guy was two weeks ago"
"I've never watched Duck Dynasty - I just kinda thought it was not my kind of entertainment"

It's marvelous, go watch it, stat. The first two seasons are the keepers, the third is a little off, but still... Rock on!

Y'all bow.

Anonymous Stilicho December 23, 2013 7:41 AM  

yes...the courage of a man talking mythological nonsense among like minded individuals and insulated by his wealth from the rest of the world...truly I am in awe

Leave algore out of this and stay on topic!

Anonymous The CronoLink December 23, 2013 7:41 AM  

He is son of the Almighty alright! Alpha all the way!

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 23, 2013 7:44 AM  

@Cranberry --- yeah, I was educated OSF and then SJ (the Dominicans will be annoyed they were left out of the party!), I know the Prayer of Saint Francis forwards and backwards, and can say it in more than one language. Insightful comment on your part, will have to meditate on it a little more.

A line of St. Francis [possibly apocryphal, I can't say for sure, but I love this]... "We should preach the Gospel constantly. And once in a while, use words."

Hope Beau is reading, he's a great soul.

Anonymous MPC December 23, 2013 7:47 AM  

Phil has one thing dead-on, DO NOT apologize to the Thought Police. Ever.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2013 December 23, 2013 7:51 AM  

Patriach and Clan, Nate. Like Regime Changes fought for by Freedom Fighters who quickly morph into Warlords once enough carnage is wreaked. How the media lie with mere words - more loaded than any gun.

Human Rights is an oxymoron. Laodicea of Revelations fame is naught but "democracy". Secularism as championed by Freemasonry's ecumenicism is possibly the church temporal's single greatest mistake. A poorly thought out, bastard of an idea.

If this holds momentum it could be a/ or "the" watershed moment in the History of America - bigger than any Cecil B Demille.

As for all the secular sermons, with all of man's moral fiber exposed. I've never seen a woman wearing a T shirt, I aborted and am proud of it. Gay's are asking for much more than equality, like George Orwell's pigs of Animal Farm wanted just a little bit more than mere equality. Heterosexuals don't need a T shirt with "Proud to be statistically within one standard deviation of normal"

Lake Woebegone was a place where, all the men were handsome, all the women were strong and all the Children were above average. A rose coloured glass sentimental sweep of better times lost.

The irony in this is that every shade of "queer" was going to get as good or the best deal any minority ever would from a low key presence in a mainstream orthodox Christian community. But here, it was always, burn the house down, just for mad Nero's sake, that minstrel and string pulling puppet master.

Gay's like Icarus, wanted what could not be granted them. Absolution without repentance.
A death defying flight through Utopian skies/ a Laurel of their own creation, to outshine all others.

Jesus, having compared man's righteousness to yesterday's, or last week's menstrual rags, rather puts the metaphorical wet blanket to plans for any alternate routes to heaven.

Islam only makes one mistake: being wrong.

In the End Christianity requires no alternate dressing up or down. It only ever asked for adherents. Mere Christianity hasn't gone away. It just slept a while.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 23, 2013 7:52 AM  

Cranberry: "Titus, are you from Hamtramck?"

No.

Anonymous Bobo December 23, 2013 7:53 AM  

"yes...the courage of a man talking mythological nonsense among like minded individuals and insulated by his wealth from the rest of the world...truly I am in awe

Leave algore out of this and stay on topic"

Classic.

Yes, Lud, GQ and A&E are fortresses of Southern Christian thought...up your troll game...

Anonymous Cranberry December 23, 2013 7:56 AM  

@Scoob, one thing I really admire about the Catholic church is the Year of Faith proclamation, though that is a credit to Benedict XVI, not Francis I.

I never, in my whole life educated as a Catholic, and then in self-imposed exile from the faith, encountered a command to evangelize others. It is inspirational to know a commandment to bring the Light of the World to others not only through a life lived by the canon of Catholic dogma and doctrine, but also by real proselytizing and profession of faith, of apologetics and witness.

Francis is bringing his "100 Years of Solitude" Catholicism to the world, but it will work just as well for him as Arcadio Beundia's communist, cargo-cult utopia did for the Buendia clan. Will-to-power is a false idol.

Blogger WarKicker December 23, 2013 7:56 AM  

"Leave Al Gore out of this and stay on topic!"

Ha! Well done!

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 23, 2013 8:01 AM  

"Lake Woebegone was a place where, all the men were handsome, all the women were strong and all the Children were above average."

Oh, so in other words, they were white.

Hey, remember when white people had a country of our own?

How did we wake up one morning and somehow not have that anymore? Any thoughts? Professor Jewstein....? You have any insights on that?

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2013 December 23, 2013 8:07 AM  

Darwin and Scientism.

It's always been the same: "did God really say".

Well yes, He did.

Blogger Nate December 23, 2013 8:25 AM  

I can't help but wonder if this hasn't put a little pit in dh's stomach. After all... the Left has been able to destroy everyone they've ever set their sights on.

From taking Hank Jr off monday night football, to wrecking Paula Dean... the Left has always gotten its man. So imagine how disconcerting this is to them. They've always been able to convince themselves that they are the strongest because they have been the loudest.

But now they are getting shouted down and mocked... and its not even close. For the first time in most of their lives they are experience a wrath that they never even knew existed.

I expect soon you'll see them go after someone else. They'll convince themselves this was a fluke and they still really are the strongest. They'll convince themselves there really are more of them than us. It will work again next time.

And maybe it will.

For a week or so... the American Right has been awake and engaged.

Lets see if it decides to remain so.

Anonymous Stilicho December 23, 2013 8:30 AM  

I expect soon you'll see them go after someone else. They'll convince themselves this was a fluke and they still really are the strongest. They'll convince themselves there really are more of them than us. It will work again next time.

They will learn that they cannot emote themselves out of a gunfight. Or not.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 23, 2013 8:31 AM  

scoobius dubious: "Hey, remember when white people had a country of our own?"

Was it something like this, and opposed like this?

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 23, 2013 8:42 AM  

Nate: "They'll convince themselves there really are more of them than us."

Their reserve army is the entire third world, and every white baby being born in America is a minority in his or her own country as well as being part of a shrinking global minority, so they're right about that part, and becoming more right every day.

Blogger tz December 23, 2013 8:43 AM  

I've said the Nation does not need different politicians, or policies, but revival, a third great awakening.

St. Nicholas slapped a hereterical bishop when he would not shut up and ended up defrocked and in prison. He was restored in a miracle.

But he - the real warrior willing to sacrifice for the faith is what the holiday is about, not the silly children's myth used to sell stuff.

Anonymous Sensei December 23, 2013 8:55 AM  

For a week or so... the American Right has been awake and engaged.

Lets see if it decides to remain so.


History would suggest it is inherently incapable of remaining so.

Blogger Nate December 23, 2013 8:55 AM  

"Their reserve army is the entire third world"

then if you've ever traveled much... you know that reserve Army is hopelessly useless.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler December 23, 2013 8:55 AM  

I find this all very ridiculous! The Protestant Christians attacked the Roman Catholic Church and its ability to protect the faithful from attack and subterfuge. The so-called "Enlightenment" erupted where Protestant Christians made common cause with Jews and Atheists to give birth to this so-called "Free Society" free from the restrictions of Catholic leadership and protection. This free, tolerant, and diverse Enlightenment society is attacking Protestant Christianity and the country it started. It is funny to see the persecution. I thought the "Enlightenment" was about freeing people from persecution and loss of job.

I guess the whole Enlightenment experiment is a big failure.

No matter what you do, you can not nullify the truth.

Blogger tz December 23, 2013 9:00 AM  

All Popes cause scism. You just have to trust the Holy Spirit knows what he is doing, not what the man in the office is doing. Francis may end up being a Jimmy Carter, or a Corazon Aquino.

GLAAD's overreach may not have been intended - they condemn everyone, but not all get fired, and I'm not sure they called for such a purge - that may have been A&E's. Cracker Barrell reversed themselves.

The blacklisting and intolerance is the greater evil and the gays have been shown to be that (as the SFWA was shown here).

It is tolerance to call people to repent, intolerance and bigotry to call them to be fired - from either side.

It isn't that we can preach without words, it is that we are always preaching, with all our words and deeds. The morbidly obese priest or pastor can't condemn sloth or gluttony, nor encourage self-control. Every word or deed brings a bit of heaven or hell into this world.

Blogger Nate December 23, 2013 9:04 AM  

"and every white baby being born in America is a minority in his or her own country as well as being part of a shrinking global minority, so they're right about that part, and becoming more right every day."

1) Everyone is a minority in the world chief. No one population holds a majority. Its a bunch of minorities. In america... Whites will go from being the majority. Ya get that right? Majority means >50%. Well no one is going to be that. But whites will still be the closest thing and the only time they will be outgunned is if ALL the others gang up on them.

2) The mexicans will self deport the instant we stop paying them not to. In fact they already are.

3) As I demonstrated to dh on this very blog... the birth rate collapse has actually hit blacks harder than whites. There was a giant gap between black and white birthrate in the 50s... and now that gap has been reduced to almost nothing. That's what you guys don't get. Demographics are better for whites vs blacks than they ever have been. Sure the white birth rate dropped from 24 to just 11... but the black birth rate dropped from 35 to 12. So... 24 to 35? or 11 to 12? which is better?

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 23, 2013 9:13 AM  

Nate: "...then if you've ever traveled much... you know that reserve Army is hopelessly useless."

And yet, with the right intellectual, mass media, financial, legal and political leadership laid on for it, it out-breeds us, out-votes us, and ethnically cleanses us from the beautiful cities and even the countries our ancestors built up with such awful toil, so that we could have undisputed possession and enjoyment of them forever.

Authentically white culture is becoming rural culture. (Which is how the whole Duck Dynasty thing started, in a way). That's what happened to the "pagans" and "heathens" too, as the Christians took over, cities first, dominating the institutions that shape the future.

OpenID simplytimothy December 23, 2013 9:15 AM  

That was beautiful. Isn't God just amazing in the way he does things? Corinthians 1:26 in action right here in front of our eyes.

For the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26 For see your vocation, brethren, that there are not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble:
27 But the foolish things of the world hath God chosen, that he may confound the wise; and the weak things of the world hath God chosen, that he may confound the strong.
28 And the base things of the world, and the things that are contemptible, hath God chosen, and things that are not, that he might bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his sight.
30 But of him are you in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and justice, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, as it is written: He that glorieth, may glory in the Lord.

Blogger Nate December 23, 2013 9:22 AM  

'Authentically white culture is becoming rural culture"

And?

What's your point?

Who says New York City is a good thing?

F it.

Anonymous dh December 23, 2013 9:41 AM  

Demographics are better for whites vs blacks than they ever have been. Sure the white birth rate dropped from 24 to just 11... but the black birth rate dropped from 35 to 12. So... 24 to 35? or 11 to 12? which is better?

Yeah, we never agreed on this, in the end. Losing by a lot or losing by a little. Losing is still losing.

Anonymous Shutterbug December 23, 2013 9:41 AM  

Nate's right: the left thinks it's bigger and stronger because it's louder. No, there are way more of us than there are of them. The left just happens to possess the megaphone (the media). This Robertson dust-up is demonstrating how many of us there really are. It amuses me how the leftists, especially those on the east and west coasts, think we who live in flyover country aspire to be like them. What they don't understand is that we live in the middle of the US because it's as far away as we can get from the coastal bastions of leftism and still be in the continental US.

I also was convicted a while back by the verse Revelation 21:8 where it clearly says the cowardly will not inherit the kingdom. So those words spoken throughout Scripture "Be not afraid" are not words of comfort, they're a command. It's hard (for me anyway) to stand up to people you love, but Phil Robertson's words reinforce the Lord's command: We love them, so we tell them.

Anonymous Bobo December 23, 2013 9:41 AM  

"2) The mexicans will self deport the instant we stop paying them not to. In fact they already are."

I-10 thru S. La has been crowded w/Beans towing extra p.o.s.'s (usually with "in toe" printed in duct tape on the back window), heading back to Jalisco...
AMF...

Anonymous Josh December 23, 2013 9:43 AM  

Authentically white culture is becoming rural culture. (Which is how the whole Duck Dynasty thing started, in a way).

Why is that a bad thing?

Anonymous OK December 23, 2013 9:44 AM  

How about that, a Baby Boomer Patriarch.

Anonymous Josh December 23, 2013 9:45 AM  

Yeah, we never agreed on this, in the end. Losing by a lot or losing by a little. Losing is still losing.

So long is it going to take for the black population to surpass the white population? There's still a lot of time left.

And remember...it's not a binary black vs white thing. You have city whites and country whites, and you also have city blacks and country blacks.

Blogger Nate December 23, 2013 9:46 AM  

"Yeah, we never agreed on this, in the end. Losing by a lot or losing by a little. Losing is still losing."

its the trend that matters. One side is being reduced much faster than the other side.

Blogger Nate December 23, 2013 9:47 AM  

"So long is it going to take for the black population to surpass the white population? There's still a lot of time left."

at a rate of 12 to 11? and that's assuming the trend doesn't keep going. if it does... within the next year or two we'll see whites actually outbreeding blacks. For the first time... well... probably ever.

Anonymous Josh December 23, 2013 9:48 AM  

How about that, a Baby Boomer Patriarch.

The difference between Phil and his generation is that he isn't stuck in the sixties. He actually found Jesus, repented, and turned his life around.

Also...he took responsibility...and doesn't think solely about himself.

Anonymous Josh December 23, 2013 9:49 AM  

at a rate of 12 to 11? and that's assuming the trend doesn't keep going. if it does... within the next year or two we'll see whites actually outbreeding blacks. For the first time... well... probably ever.

And if welfare is ever seriously cut, the black birthrate will collapse even further.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 23, 2013 10:03 AM  

Josh: "Why is that a bad thing?"

If whites being rusticated by expulsion means sermons like that at White's Ferry Road Church become more normal for white culture, that's a good side of the disaster. This kind of culture is obviously a Good Thing. I'm not disputing that.

But the great city-dwelling peoples don't abandon their cities unless they have been utterly beaten. There's good reason for it. This is usually where the future is created.

That doesn't mean New York as it is now is a Good Thing for whites. Nor is Detroit. Nor are many other cities. But, for example, white Detroit once was a good thing.

And there's a lot of potential that will never be seen without white cities. Different kinds of people, not all bad, and much creativity.

The only way that could not be the case is if whites genetically lacked the capacity to generate civilized, literally city-dwelling, city-enhancing cultures, so that being rusticated was cost-free for whites since they couldn't do anything with cities if they had them.

The opposite is very much the case.

Blogger Nate December 23, 2013 10:04 AM  

"That doesn't mean New York as it is now is a Good Thing for whites. Nor is Detroit. Nor are many other cities. But, for example, white Detroit once was a good thing."

That's a matter of opinion.

The idiotic and suicidal notions that afflict our nation have always been spawned in cities.

Anonymous Josh December 23, 2013 10:06 AM  

The future is created in cities?

Cities are more totalitarian. Always have been.

Are you suggesting that the future is totalitarian, because cities create the future?

Anonymous ZhukovG December 23, 2013 10:06 AM  

Also, while the white birthrate has fallen, It’s primary collapse has been among progressive whites, while traditionalist whites have a birthrate well above replacement.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 23, 2013 10:10 AM  

Josh: "And remember...it's not a binary black vs white thing. You have city whites and country whites, and you also have city blacks and country blacks."

The opposite of white is not black but non-white. The enemy of white is not black but anti-white.

Blogger Nate December 23, 2013 10:12 AM  

" This is usually where the future is created."

What kind of progressive bullshit is that? The Future isn't created. Its happening. All you have to do is show up for it.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 23, 2013 10:13 AM  

ZhukovG: "Also, while the white birthrate has fallen, It’s primary collapse has been among progressive whites, while traditionalist whites have a birthrate well above replacement."

This of course is a good thing too.

Blogger Nate December 23, 2013 10:14 AM  

"The enemy of white is not black but anti-white."

Look I realize that its hard to accept that the bleak all-is-lost future that you've built your worldview around is actually bullshit. That's a tough pill to swallow.

Unfortunately all those arguments you've made about demographics are in fact wrong because apparently you never bothered to look further back than 10 or 20 years ago.

Now you're just embarrassing yourself though.

Anonymous Josh December 23, 2013 10:14 AM  

Regarding cities, Michael Pollan is talking to Joel Salatin (another traditionalist patriarch in the Phil Robertson mold):

When I asked how a place like New York City fit into his vision of a local food economy he startled me with his answer: “Why do we have to have a New York City? What good is it?”

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 23, 2013 10:15 AM  

Nate: "What kind of progressive bullshit is that? The Future isn't created. Its happening. All you have to do is show up for it."

On this, we differ strongly.

Anonymous Josh December 23, 2013 10:18 AM  

The opposite of white is not black but non-white. The enemy of white is not black but anti-white.

White people aren't a monolithic bloc.

Phil Robertson has more in common with black hunters and fishers in the rural South than he does with pajama boy.

Anonymous Cryan Ryan December 23, 2013 10:19 AM  

"Demographics are better for whites vs blacks than they ever have been. Sure the white birth rate dropped from 24 to just 11... but the black birth rate dropped from 35 to 12. So... 24 to 35? or 11 to 12? which is better?"

Nate,

It appears you believe the lowered birthrate of blacks to be a generally positive thing.

But isn't it true that intelligent black adults are foregoing childrearing while they pursue careers?

Isn't it true that the lowered birthrate among the lower class blacks is mostly due to the tremendous number of abortions performed by PP clinics at ghetto's edge?

And isn't the success of PP with their (non-abortion) birth control methods responsible for fewer black pregnancies overall?

And we both know that PP are a bunch of dishonest, murderous, money sponging, progressive, feminist, communists, right? (yes, I'm serious)

So how do we square this "success" of PP with our desire to stop the holocaust and rein in PP?

It seems that if PP were halted overnight, the black underclass would go back up to 12 or 16 little black breeders/thugs per unwed black girl. (especially since we pay them to have more kids)

I think it is this reality that allows white Christians to turn their heads and allow (even support) PP and their efforts.

At least that is how it seems to me. My solution is to let God sort it out, as I cannot bring myself to believe the ship is going to right itself without a bit of bailing.



Blogger Nate December 23, 2013 10:20 AM  

"On this, we differ strongly."

That's because apparently you're a progressive and I'm not.

Blogger Nate December 23, 2013 10:21 AM  

"It appears you believe the lowered birthrate of blacks to be a generally positive thing."

No. I said no such thing.

I'm talking about the gap between the black and white birthrate. Not the decline in either.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza December 23, 2013 10:22 AM  

A return to patriarchy? What a glorious dream. Where can I sign up or move to?

It is wonderful to take a media diversion from reality and turn it for the Lord Jesus, Christmas.

Once again, choices are made. Some will heap coals upon their heads, some will turn to faith, some will turn away further into delusions, deceptions and irrational fears.

One matter is clear; many must seek peace with God, we must seek peace with God.

Anonymous Josh M. December 23, 2013 10:22 AM  

Here is a man with a chest. As a Christian who watches figure after figure bow down to the culture, it is hard to describe how thankful I am for what he did: first, he preached the gospel to the likes of GLAAD. When they attacked him, he responded by preaching the gospel a second time, without ever saying he was sorry for any of it. Hoorah, a man with a chest, finally.

Anonymous Josh December 23, 2013 10:23 AM  

Ryan,

Murdering black children in the womb isn't the answer.

As I said previously in this thread, perhaps reforming the welfare system is a good start.

Anonymous dh December 23, 2013 10:27 AM  

I'm talking about the gap between the black and white birthrate. Not the decline in either.

I would also point out that black vs. white birthrate is sort of irrelevant. Hispanics and Asians are rapidly pushing out blacks as the largest minority demographics. The country is becoming less white. I do think it will be a long time or never before whites are not the largest demographic block.

And as you point out, it's also a question of the correct type of person, white or black or whatever. The white demographic is not united in ideology, it's still a split, probably 2/3 in favor of traditional America. So you have all the minority subgroups, and a big chunk of the female white demographic, plus the entire white city dweller subgroup all aligned against traditional white America.

Not saying it's the end-game, but I don't see it as promising. All things which are not simply captured by the birthrate. (To say nothing of the war of economic attrition being fought as a proxy vs city and rural America).

Blogger Nate December 23, 2013 10:28 AM  

The sad truth is abortion had done exactly what Sanger wanted it to do.

And no I'm not arguing that it is a good thing and the ends justify the means.

I am simply pointing out that those that say the country is turning black are incorrect.

Anonymous Josh December 23, 2013 10:31 AM  

The white demographic is not united in ideology, it's still a split, probably 2/3 in favor of traditional America. So you have all the minority subgroups, and a big chunk of the female white demographic, plus the entire white city dweller subgroup all aligned against traditional white America.

I'm reminded of Sailer's analysis of the election as the Romney core vs the Obama fringe.

Traditional America is usually too busy working and raising kids to do much on these culture war issues. It's very slow to move. Mainly because it just wants to be left alone.

However, when it moves, it's much larger and more powerful than its opponents. CFA and duck dynasty are recent examples.

Anonymous GG December 23, 2013 10:33 AM  

"‘If we lose our morality, we will lose our country. It will happen."

Worse, we lose ourselves, we lose our faith. Some people don't agree, but America has an identity, a culture, and there's a spirit in the people here. We really are a beacon of light for the rest of world, no matter what our sins and faults are, and no matter how foolish our leaders are. Today in these times, there is an effort within to portray the US as an evil empire, as not worthy of being held up as exceptional. That attitude trickles all the way down, so now people will perceive marriage and families as unworthy, individual people as incapable victims, and Christians as oppressive. Standing up against the moral ambiguity of a fallen world is absolutely critical at this point in time.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown December 23, 2013 10:35 AM  

Nate said, "One of the best parts of this.... is how the word "patriarch" is applied to him in almost every article.

You know that just has feminist heads exploding."


lolz! I've heard the term "benevolent patriarchy" mentioned semi-regularly throughout the manosphere/HBD-osphere/dissident right-osphere for a couple of years. This is usually discussed in the context of returning to an idealized state, maintaining social order and transmitting our culture successfully through generations. Often times, commenters express dismay over what exactly "benevolent patriarchy" looks like. Said commenters should watch Duck Dynasty for an excellent representation.

Slightly off topic, but I'd love to see someone with the mental firepower of Vox, Roissy or Roosh do "game" post on Duck Dynasty, as all of the Robertson men have done very well in the SMP. I'd wager they're all natural alphas, but it's amazing how they've all mastered aloofness, cocky/funny, teasing, contrast, negs, and even nutty Uncle Si has made a strong case for what amounts to "day game" over on-line dating.

I just watched an episode last night where Miss Kay asks Phil what he thinks of how she's changed over the years. Phil pauses, smirks, and in his deadpan manner states, "I love every pound that you've gained." She responds by playfully slapping him on the shoulder, and simply replying, "Oh, PHIL!" with feigned indignation. That was quite possibly the greatest neg I've ever seen on television. In the immortal words of Han Solo, "You must have hit pretty close to the mark to get her all riled up like that, kid."

Anonymous Josh December 23, 2013 10:35 AM  

Today in these times, there is an effort within to portray the US as an evil empire, as not worthy of being held up as exceptional.

How is America exceptional?

How is our empire not evil?

Anonymous Cryan Ryan December 23, 2013 10:36 AM  

"No. I said no such thing.

I'm talking about the gap between the black and white birthrate. Not the decline in either." Nate

Okay. I understand. I'm not trying to lead you or to put words in your mouth. I'm just trying to square up something that I've not come to terms with myself, and I respect your opinion based on some of your comments.

We are both aware of what is happening in the black community. Sadly, not only has their family structure collapsed, but our policies are causing a terrible hollowing out of their upper middle class individuals. I'm talking the 100 + IQ blacks.

Yes a similar thing is happening to whites, but not to that degree.

So it is as if we have intentionally created a system to lower the average intelligence of blacks by a lot, while the same system is probably lowering the intelligence of the whites by maybe not as much.

Result....Not as many new black kids...but a lot dumber, and less capable of taking care of themselves in a society where thinking and showing up for work is important. (assuming jobs were available, which they're not)

So back to my point. It seems that without PP and their murderous actions, the black population would explode overnight. (the bottom end)

Yes, it would occur among poor whites, but not as much.

Anyway, this is why it appears to me our white society turns it's head and allows/supports the efforts of PP.

Any thoughts?

Anonymous Josh December 23, 2013 10:38 AM  

Slightly off topic, but I'd love to see someone with the mental firepower of Vox, Roissy or Roosh do "game" post on Duck Dynasty, as all of the Robertson men have done very well in the SMP. I'd wager they're all natural alphas, but it's amazing how they've all mastered aloofness, cocky/funny, teasing, contrast, negs, and even nutty Uncle Si has made a strong case for what amounts to "day game" over on-line dating.

And this shows that game is really nothing more than men being masculine and doing things that men have generally always done. Until the great stupid of the last few generations.

OpenID cailcorishev December 23, 2013 10:39 AM  

I love that line by Joel Salatin. It originally came from one of his books, I think, something like, "People say 'sustainable agriculture' won't work because it can't support New York City. I say why should New York City exist?" He was talking specifically about the issue of feeding that many people, but it can apply to other aspects just as well. If a particular method of organizing society -- church- and neighborhood-based charity, for instance -- works well in rural areas and small towns but doesn't scale up well to millions of people living on top of each other like ants, why do we blame the failure on the method and not on the city?

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 23, 2013 10:40 AM  

Titus Didius Tacitus: "The enemy of white is not black but anti-white."

Nate: "Look I realize that its hard to accept that the bleak all-is-lost future that you've built your worldview around is actually bullshit. That's a tough pill to swallow."

What a bizarre interpretation of what I said.

-

Nate: Unfortunately all those arguments you've made about demographics are in fact wrong because apparently you never bothered to look further back than 10 or 20 years ago.

Now you're just embarrassing yourself though."

Wrong.

The numbers are what they are.

If the future is going to be determined by numbers, and in a lot of places like Zimbabwe and South Africa it already has been, then whites are hosed. The brilliant malice of the anti-white elite and the folly and negligence of our older generations has sunk young whites before they were born.

But I don't believe the future is just a matter of showing up, hand out. Creative people can and do create the future. If that will be the key, then maybe we're not hosed at all. Whites have been amazingly creative.

But to optimize that, I'd like us to have cities. A good healthy city culture counts for a lot. Maybe we can't have it, but that is something I'd very much like. A situation where authentically white culture is rural culture (because the cities are lost to decency, whites or both) is far from being ideal.

I don't agree with those that say or imply that abstaining from sin (for which a simple rural culture may be ideal) is enough to guarantee our future. We have extremely formidable enemies who are actively and successfully creating a world without us, and our numbers no longer add up. That's not a world where plain and simple piety is going to get the whole job done.

I'm all for Phil Robertson's sermon. That kind of culture must be part of a winning solution.

(With "winning" defined as: "stop white genocide, secure the existence of the white race, and create a good future for white children, who as things stand now do not have one".)

But as Sam cried out to Frodo: "Not alone!"

Blogger Nate December 23, 2013 10:41 AM  

I think the best way to describe the demographic change is with a mortgage analogy.

When you look at a 30 year mortgage payment... its starts off almost all interest and just a tiny bit of it is principle.

That like the black to white birthrate gap in the 50s.

Folks look at that gap and say OMG! DOOM!

But over time the gap shrinks and shrinks. and eventually we find that more money is going to principle than interest.

Not only is america not getting blacker.

Its in the process of very slowly getting whiter. By percentage... the black population will soon be dropping at an alarming rate.

Blogger Nate December 23, 2013 10:44 AM  

" Hispanics and Asians are rapidly pushing out blacks as the largest minority demographics."

Hispanics will disappear the moment they are paid not to... and once that happens the asians will look a lot less significant.

At any rate it won't matter. once the wellfare well runs dry the demographics fix themselves.

Blogger Guitar Man December 23, 2013 10:46 AM  

Homeschooling is on the rise. I live in Northern NJ. Not your typical country area by any measure. In my small church, there are a number of families who are homeschooling, and the average family size is about four children. My wife and I have four. We are freaks, but it isn't as unusual in northern suburban NJ as it was probably 10 years ago.

Anonymous Josh December 23, 2013 10:46 AM  

But I don't believe the future is just a matter of showing up, hand out. Creative people can and do create the future. If that will be the key, then maybe we're not hosed at all. Whites have been amazingly creative.

Why do you have to live in a city to be creative?

Phil is one of your creatives. He created a duck call. He's not a city dweller.

Anonymous Josh December 23, 2013 10:48 AM  

If the future is going to be determined by numbers, and in a lot of places like Zimbabwe and South Africa it already has been, then whites are hosed. The brilliant malice of the anti-white elite and the folly and negligence of our older generations has sunk young whites before they were born.

If it's all so hopeless, why are you not guzzling antifreeze?

Zimbabwe, South Africa, etc don't matter to America as long as they stay over there.

Anonymous Roundtine December 23, 2013 10:49 AM  

But the great city-dwelling peoples don't abandon their cities unless they have been utterly beaten.

Being beaten here may simply refer to population density. If you have mixed population, the population with the highest tolerance for density will stay as the population grows over time, while those with less tolerance will leave.

Blogger Nate December 23, 2013 10:49 AM  

"But to optimize that, I'd like us to have cities. A good healthy city culture counts for a lot."

No. It doesn't.

I would argue that cities themselves are a disease. There is no such thing as a healthy one and there never has been.

Anonymous Sensei December 23, 2013 10:52 AM  

I would argue that cities themselves are a disease. There is no such thing as a healthy one and there never has been.

Odd that God chose a city as a major component of prophesied eternal bliss...
Perhaps it is the more noticeable aggregation of sin you dislike and not the city itself.

Anonymous Roundtine December 23, 2013 10:54 AM  

Initial population size matters. Let's say there are 7X to every 2Y. X grows at 2% and Y grows at 3% annually. While the percentage of Y in the population would be increasing every year, in absolute numbers, X would be increasing over Y for the next 100+ years, effectively "forever" in population terms since fertility rates change over time.

Anonymous Josh December 23, 2013 10:54 AM  

Odd that God chose a city as a major component of prophesied eternal bliss...

That's about as relevant an example as Disney world.

Anonymous Sensei December 23, 2013 11:00 AM  

That's about as relevant an example as Disney world.

Not in my religion. Is yours very heavily based around commercialism?

Blogger Nate December 23, 2013 11:01 AM  

"Odd that God chose a city as a major component of prophesied eternal bliss...
Perhaps it is the more noticeable aggregation of sin you dislike and not the city itself."

/FACEPALM

Anonymous GG December 23, 2013 11:02 AM  

"How is America exceptional? How is our empire not evil?"

Because Josh, we not only try to empathize with our enemies, but we take a constant inventory of our own country's sins. Rather then invading, conquering, and exploiting all the resources, our wars actually cost us money in rebuilding and foreign aid. There's a reason people still risk their lives trying to come here and so many of us seem to keep forgetting that. America is exceptional because of our commitment to human rights and economic freedom. The fact that some of our leaders have failed to honor those ideals does not erase who we are and what we stand for.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 23, 2013 11:02 AM  

Josh: "Why do you have to live in a city to be creative?"

You don't have to.

Historically, it helps.

Anonymous Alexander December 23, 2013 11:04 AM  

Absolute numbers matter more if you're passive. A small population X willing to fight and defend population X suddenly has a lot more going for it. If it didn't, we'd all be Chinese years ago.

As Josh said, South Africa is irrelevant if we defend our own homeland. But even there, I wouldn't feel safe betting that that particular situation has been 'determined' until the last Boer is underground. Especially when a lot of the international pressure on the Boers is going to ease up considerably when the enforcement muscle turns more and more inward.

Anonymous Josh December 23, 2013 11:06 AM  

Rather then invading, conquering, and exploiting all the resources, our wars actually cost us money in rebuilding and foreign aid.

So we're evil and stupid?

Because Josh, we not only try to empathize with our enemies, but we take a constant inventory of our own country's sins.

If that was true, explain Ron Paul's primary defeats, the reaction to Obama's "apology tour", and the focus on American exceptionalism as a litmus test for candidates.

America is exceptional because of our commitment to human rights and economic freedom.

Bullshit. Explain why we don't lead the world in both.

Anonymous Alexander December 23, 2013 11:07 AM  

Lololol.

We gotta tax you more, cause we gotta find a way to pay...

... to give foreigners economic freedom.

Anonymous Alexander December 23, 2013 11:08 AM  

Evil, stupid, and broke is no way to go through life, son.

Anonymous Josh December 23, 2013 11:08 AM  

Historically, it helps.

Have you seen the art that's been coming out of the cities over the last century?

OpenID cailcorishev December 23, 2013 11:09 AM  

Why do you have to live in a city to be creative?

Especially nowadays. That might have made sense in the salons of Paris centuries ago, when you pretty much had to get people into the same room to be able to bounce ideas off each other without waiting weeks for letters to go back and forth. But nowadays most of the creative stuff is happening online and you can participate in it from anywhere.

Yet we still get people who make their living as writers, living in NYC apartments that cost 100 times per square foot what a nice house in flyover country would cost. Are they living there so they can participate in some crucible of intellectual diversity that they couldn't reach from outside the city? No, not unless ordering lots of different kinds of ethnic takeout food counts.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 23, 2013 11:10 AM  

Nate: "I would argue that cities themselves are a disease. There is no such thing as a healthy one and there never has been."

I would not want a world where everything that whites have accomplished in cities was erased.

Of course letting Muslims flood into Europe and eventually do for its cathedrals what they did for the Bamiyan Buddhas goes a long way to create such a world.

Anonymous Alexander December 23, 2013 11:12 AM  

Not hardly, the Muslims have got to the most urbanized group in the world.

I don't hate cities - they have their place. It would be fine if the cities could understand that.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 23, 2013 11:12 AM  

Josh: "Have you seen the art that's been coming out of the cities over the last century?"

(laughs)

Uh, yeah. For some people it obviously doesn't help enough.

Anonymous Cryan Ryan December 23, 2013 11:12 AM  

Nate, perhaps you have a window into the future unavailable to the rest of us.

Also, it is clear you don't want to address my question, so I will just accept that you'd prefer not to.

Or perhaps you don't understand my point. Either way, Merry Christmas to you.

Anonymous Josh December 23, 2013 11:13 AM  

I would not want a world where everything that whites have accomplished in cities was erased.

Like what? What are these great urban accomplishments?

Unless you're referring to the billions in municipal securities that are going to go bust.

Anonymous GG December 23, 2013 11:16 AM  

"Bullshit. Explain why we don't lead the world in both."

Josh, the answer to all your questions is because we have lost our ability to believe in our country and to stand up for it. Perception becomes reality and we have been plagued by a propaganda campaign designed to do precisely that, convince us we are not worthy of being viewed as exceptional. Rather than standing up for who we are, instead we ushered in "change." The theme of the day is that America is a mean, greedy country. They lie. Their whole ideology is based on lies. Don't fall for it.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 23, 2013 11:16 AM  

Muslims have this idea that anything before the Muslim takeover was just a time of error, the culture of and the evidence for which can and perhaps should be erased. (Though they do make it a point of supremacist pride to convert churches to mosques.)

Letting people who think like that into Europe is an act of barbarism.

OpenID cailcorishev December 23, 2013 11:17 AM  

Odd that God chose a city as a major component of prophesied eternal bliss...

So a population of angels and saints, in the personal presence of God, will be able to live together harmoniously in a "city." How is that relevant to Earth cities, exactly?

It might also be worth noting that Jesus also said we can't even imagine what Heaven will be like. So while He used the "city" metaphor, we shouldn't read too much into that. We can probably be fairly confident that it won't be much like the cities we know, since we can imagine those.

Anonymous Alexander December 23, 2013 11:18 AM  

GG,

Not to derail this thread, but Josh's grievances with this country go back at least as far as 1860. Go back to the Rommel thread from a few weeks ago if you need more information.

Point is, it ain't just the modern version of the New York-Boston-DC progressive that's the problem.

Anonymous Alexander December 23, 2013 11:20 AM  

TDT,

Couldn't agree more.

Tell us, the people who are more than happy to allow in millions of barbarians - city or rural people.

It's the cities who foster, encourage, then enforce suicidal philosophies.

Anonymous bob k. mando December 23, 2013 11:20 AM  

*facepalm*

climate change denial a vast conspiracy. IT IS SCIENCE!

also, " It ends up that people without economic power don't have the same size voice as the people who have economic power"

...

because Al Gore grew up a poor little rich boy with no voice, i guess?

http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/12/billion-dollar-climate-denial-network-exposed/

Blogger LibertyPortraits December 23, 2013 11:22 AM  

Should we still put homosexuals to death though? Isn't that what Leviticus 20:13 asks us to do? And then when we put those people to death God will cast them into eternal damnation, right?

Blogger Nate December 23, 2013 11:22 AM  

"Also, it is clear you don't want to address my question, so I will just accept that you'd prefer not to."

I'm sorry mate.. i'm in and out... sick kids and all. I will indeed address it. I just can't right this second.

Anonymous Josh December 23, 2013 11:25 AM  

Josh, the answer to all your questions is because we have lost our ability to believe in our country and to stand up for it.

That's not an answer. It's just mindless babble.

Anonymous Giraffe December 23, 2013 11:26 AM  

I would argue that cities themselves are a disease. There is no such thing as a healthy one and there never has been.

Every house needs a toilet.

Anonymous Josh December 23, 2013 11:27 AM  

Should we still put homosexuals to death though? Isn't that what Leviticus 20:13 asks us to do? And then when we put those people to death God will cast them into eternal damnation, right?

Read Acts 15 you moron. You're too short for this ride.

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother December 23, 2013 11:28 AM  

Guitar man,

Whem my mom was homeschooling us in the early 80's, we were strange oddities. No one could understand homeschooling, but I think my dad did because he probably had autographed copies of all the seminal homeschooling books (Iserbyt, Gatto, etc). Homeschooling's perceived worth and reputation is 180 degrees different now than back then.

Anonymous GG December 23, 2013 11:42 AM  


"That's not an answer. It's just mindless babble."

Here's the thing Josh, for a lot of people, Jesus Christ isn't known until he can be seen in others. Like God breaths life into us, we should breath life into faith so it can be seen by others. The same principle applies to the Bill of Rights, it's nothing but a worthless piece of paper if people aren't willing to stand up and defend it. America is also a set of ideals that must be believed in, spoken about, and defended.

Why are we in love with Phil? Because with one simple act he gamed all three principles, Christ is worthy, this country's first amendment is worthy, and men are worthy. He didn't risk his life or slay any dragons, he simply believed and stood his ground.

Blogger Nate December 23, 2013 11:44 AM  

"So it is as if we have intentionally created a system to lower the average intelligence of blacks by a lot, while the same system is probably lowering the intelligence of the whites by maybe not as much.

Result....Not as many new black kids...but a lot dumber, and less capable of taking care of themselves in a society where thinking and showing up for work is important. (assuming jobs were available, which they're not)

So back to my point. It seems that without PP and their murderous actions, the black population would explode overnight. (the bottom end)

Yes, it would occur among poor whites, but not as much.

Anyway, this is why it appears to me our white society turns it's head and allows/supports the efforts of PP.

Any thoughts?"

I have a lot of thoughts on this.

1) even if one did think preserving the white majority in this country was worth fighting for in and of itself... and I don't... then ends wouldn't justify the means. No matter what the demographic results are... abortion is abomination.

2) From my perspective the blacks are getting it from both ends. On the low end of the socio-economic end abortion is savaging them... one the high end... the same pressures that affect the whites... women putting career over family for example... hit them.

I don't know that we've built a system to lower the intellect... but a system was certainly built to remove them from the population. It just worked so slowly that folks didn't notice it. Cities are being transformed into large holding areas for blacks... and trapped there... they are becoming ferrel.

Which by the way was predicted by slave owners in 1860. I've read editorials from the 1850s and 1860s where southrons were predicting that if slavery was abolished to quickly that the cities would go this way.

And they certainly appear to have been right... but there is no joy in it.

None of this is good or desirable... and any minuscule good that can be gleaned cannot really be even discussed because of the evil of the abortion holocaust.

Anonymous TWS December 23, 2013 11:47 AM  

It occurred to me while reading this that the reason the left never criticizes muslims is that a house divided against itself cannot stand. The left knows deep in their souls they and muslims are two halves of a satanic whole.

That in the end one will destroy the other only adds humor for the author of leftism and the muslim cult, lucifer.

Anonymous RedJack December 23, 2013 11:47 AM  

The Pope is going off the rails. My MIL is in town, and with the storm we went to a Catholic church we don't go to very much.

The priest had a long sermon about how Jesus didn't know he was the Son of God till after the Ressurection. And the priest used the Pope's words to that effect.

So that priest is now.. Arian I suppose. He mixed a bunch of heresies in.

Anonymous Josh December 23, 2013 11:49 AM  

From the Matt Walsh blog that's been going viral today.

So, me personally, I’m livin’ over here in a world where it’s never OK to execute a disabled baby, or any baby, for any reason. In fact, in my universe — a universe we might call “reality” — the murder of children could be, without hyperbole, classified as THE worst thing. It is the worst of all that is bad. It is the lowest of low. It is the ugliest of ugly. It is the Pinnacle of Wrong. If it isn’t wrong to kill children, then it can not be wrong to do anything else.

Let me say that again, because it’s a crucial point:

If it isn’t wrong to kill children, then it can not be wrong to do anything else.

Literally anything else.


If you think that mass murder is required to preserve your white race and your white children and the eleven words or whatever the hell it is, then I want to no part of whatever world you want to create. And the vast majority of my people don't.

Blogger Nate December 23, 2013 11:51 AM  

"I would not want a world where everything that whites have accomplished in cities was erased."

That's because you have an inflated view of the innovation caused by cities.

Anonymous Weouro December 23, 2013 11:51 AM  

And this shows that game is really nothing more than men being masculine and doing things that men have generally always done."

Yeah, game has no moral value attached to it. It's like thinking, walking, fighting, eating. Everybody does it in every religion and every walk of life, but some do it better than others and some use it for evil. Masculinty needs to be separated from morality. In the Catholic sphere it's popular to equate manhood and masculinity with sexual purity, which is ridiculous.

Anonymous Josh December 23, 2013 11:52 AM  

It occurred to me while reading this that the reason the left never criticizes muslims is that a house divided against itself cannot stand. The left knows deep in their souls they and muslims are two halves of a satanic whole.

It's much simpler than that. Leftists don't want their heads to get chopped off.

Blogger RobertT December 23, 2013 11:53 AM  

"Evil, stupid, and broke is no way to go through life, son."

I love this statement. I sometimes tell cougars that fat, old and bitchy doesn't work well for women. Catchy triplets.

Anonymous TWS December 23, 2013 11:57 AM  

Josh - It is true leftists are cowards. Thats why I think the older satanic cult will wind up eating them (maybe literally) in the end.

Blogger CarpeOro December 23, 2013 12:03 PM  

"It seems that if PP were halted overnight, the black underclass would go back up to 12 or 16 little black breeders/thugs per unwed black girl. (especially since we pay them to have more kids)"

You are only looking at where the cue ball hits the eight ball. There is an entire pool table with bumpers and fourteen other balls to consider. PP won't collapse until the rest of the welfare state does. Once the checks stop rolling and starvation settles in, your going to see a return to the natural state of affairs: resource management. It will cease being acceptable for men to leave obligations, and women will be forced to start being more selective with sex, etc. Once the government can't replace men as husbands, you'll see a return to realistic society in many ways. This castle ain't even built from sand.

Anonymous bob k. mando December 23, 2013 12:06 PM  

RedJack December 23, 2013 11:47 AM
The priest had a long sermon about how Jesus didn't know he was the Son of God till after the Ressurection.



have you contacted your bishop about this? because there is no way that this is considered doctrinally sound by the RCC and that priest needs to be rebuked and possibly defrocked.

i'm no particular friend of the RCC, but don't complain about the priests you get if you won't tell the hierarchy when you've got one that's gone off the rails.

if the bishop approves of this priest's message ... well then, you know never to attend mass in this diocese again. and if your MIL complains, you tell her that you don't accept a Eucharist that has been corrupted by heretics.

Anonymous RedJack December 23, 2013 12:15 PM  

Bishop was called on this guy a while ago. The Bishop is more concerned with fund raising than orthodoxy.

We mainly go to a different diocese. For that reason.

Every diocese is a different denomination in effect.

Blogger BigFire December 23, 2013 12:17 PM  

Here's Phil Robertson's testimony at Sadleback Church back in September: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyL1xha_1aU

Anonymous hausfrau December 23, 2013 12:18 PM  

I would argue that cities themselves are a disease. There is no such thing as a healthy one and there never has been.

The secession movements in many of these far left blue states are picking up steam. Oregon has many interesting and unexpected contrasts. Portland proper lives up to the Portlandia stereotype and yet this state has some of the most gun friendly laws in the country. The counties surrounding Portland have actively pushed back against Agenda 21 initiatives and other Portland schemes. Yes, state taxes pay for a significant number of abortions but you have the option to redirect this portion of your taxes to prolife groups too. These blue states are almost completely held hostage by their city dwellers. Portland, Salem, and Eugene determine all the statewide elections. the situation seems similar for Chicago, New York, Seattle, Denver, etc. The sooner these cities reap the whirlwind of economic collapse and secession, the better for the everyone. The cultural contrast between large cities and rural counties is such that they can only be represented politically as separate states.

Blogger RobertT December 23, 2013 12:20 PM  

There appears to be a thread about large vs. small cities. Having lived basically everywhere in the U.S.: big cities, small cities, tiny hamlets, resorts, etc.; I haven't seen anything inherently evil in large cities. In fact, the smallest place I ever lived, Telluride, CO, may a great place for you to consider, or Aspen, or ... Evil occurs where-ever men congregate, and many, many of them congregate in large cities. So there is more evil there.

I do have an interesting tidbit about New York, however. I spent some time in Chicago. One of our team was from Brooklyn who actually believed if you didn't live in NYC, you weren't civilized. He would naively ask me questions about Babe the Blue Ox and axe fights in Colorado, where I grew up. So I expected big things my first trip to NYC. One day I stopped at a diner on Broadway for lunch and I was completely floored. The people there sounded and acted about as sophisticated as backwoods people from West Virginia. Appearances count for little, but as far as I can tell, there is little difference between large cities and small hamlets, other than what we harbor in our minds. There was no convincing my friend from Brooklyn. And there is probably no convincing anyone else.

But remember this, I once shot from the hip with a foolish comment and Vox promptly and bluntly told me I didn't know what I was talking about. That embarrassed me, but he was right and I admitted it.

Anonymous dh December 23, 2013 12:23 PM  

At any rate it won't matter. once the wellfare well runs dry the demographics fix themselves.

Nate this is the silliest thing ever. 2nd and 3rd generation illegals are not going to immigrate back to Mexico to be poor and destitute and criminal in Mexico. They'll just do it here.

This statement presumes that poor people cutoff from everything will stop having babies they can't afford. The standard of living will just continue to drop. By your logic Mexico is in the middle of a population slump since much of Mexico is quite literally dirt poor and without any economic activity.

The poor and wretched will out-breed the civilized, virtually every time.

Blogger RobertT December 23, 2013 12:27 PM  

The city where I live now, on the banks of the Colorado River, is probably more sophisticated than the people in that diner on Broadway in NYC. And it probably ranks right up there on the evil scale too. But I love it and much prefer it to that diner on Broadway in NYC.

Anonymous Shut Up, Nate And Josh December 23, 2013 12:27 PM  

"I would argue that cities themselves are a disease. There is no such thing as a healthy one and there never has been."

"Health" and "disease" are relative terms, one that is on a continuum. No city is perfectly healthy or completely diseased. There are several standards used to determine their vitality, each with certain metrics to measure their rates of success: quality of life, tax base, sanitation/hygiene needs, access to health care, infrastructure (just to name a few). At their best, cities generate wealth and employment, promote cultural exchange and inclusion, foster creativity and ideas, and provide access to recreation and education.


Now, no one to my knowledge on this thread has considered this distinct likelihood--the Duck Dynasty clan whored themselves to corporate media. Their "values" were perverted to become a brand name, one that made them and their sponsors millions of dollars. Given their intellect, they fully understood the benefits and pitfalls of being the current "darlings" on the boob tube. I would not be surprised "the patriarch" was asked by A+E executives to purposely create a shit storm of controversy by stating their beliefs in an "interview", which were well-known by their "bosses". This "story" is eerily similar to the formula religiously followed by other reality shows. Backward intellects? Hardly. Oh, they assuredly believe in the Good Book and guns and oppose the homo lifestyles. But like all hucksters, they relish being "crucified" for their beliefs at the hands of the "mainstream media" and their "liberal cronies".

It makes for great (manufactured) drama.

Blogger IM2L844 December 23, 2013 12:33 PM  

The same principle applies to the Bill of Rights, it's nothing but a worthless piece of paper if people aren't willing to stand up and defend it.

Exactly why I would like to see more push-back on the discrimination issue. The free speech issue is one thing, but it is clear that A&E has violated Title VII by suspending Phil due to his religious views.

From the governments own website for the U.S. Equal Opportunity Employment Commission we read:

"It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer to...discriminate against any individual with respect to his compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment, because of such individual’s...religion..."

AND,

"harassment is illegal...when it results in an adverse employment decision (such as the victim being fired or demoted)."

I think it could be argued that suspension is tantamount to a demotion and that even a first and single instance of harassment is still an instance of harassment. An ongoing pattern of behavior is not a prerequisite.

It looks like a slam dunk to me. If not from a strictly legal standpoint then from a social debate standpoint. Religion is a protected class under the Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Sexual orientation is not...yet.

Anonymous stevev December 23, 2013 12:34 PM  

gem: "If you give them the bad news, they’ll start kicking and screaming. But you love them more than you fear them, so you tell them"

Anonymous VD December 23, 2013 12:36 PM  

Phil Robertson has more in common with black hunters and fishers in the rural South than he does with pajama boy.

Of course, Pajama Boy isn't white. He's Jewish. Semitic, not European.

Anonymous aero December 23, 2013 12:37 PM  

You can start a new country. however, nothing will change for Its the nature of all humans to sin. The elite will not follow. The elected will be hypocrites. This is the history of all governments.


Anonymous Gx1080 December 23, 2013 12:38 PM  

Uh, Titus is saying that NYC is as valuable as the cathedrals.

So there's that.

Overall, is amusing to watch leftists slowly realize that they can't hurt the patriarch.

Anonymous dh December 23, 2013 12:45 PM  

IM2L844--

I would not want to hire you as an employment attorney, that's for sure. It would unprecedented for the Robertson's to be actual employees of A&E. In fact, it is very likely that they aren't employees of anyone. There is likely a production company between A&E and the family, and the family licenses their image to the production company.

You have to understand that the EEOC are worked around by any entity that has the brains. It barely applies to the little people, let alone powerful companies.

The big picture is that instead of trying to craft the right mix of less oppressive measures by the government, The right needs to be permanently resolving these issues by way of ending the underlying problems. You will never fix the EEOC process or the mission. Trying to subvert it and use for "conservative" ends is like f**king for abstinence.

Blogger CarpeOro December 23, 2013 12:55 PM  

""I would not want a world where everything that whites have accomplished in cities was erased."

Had the argument a couple decades ago that cities are not the source of all culture when I still thought I'd go into academia. I went with Turner, saying that the vigor of American society was to be found in the frontier. I'd say the disintegration of civil society in the large cities makes a pretty good argument for it. With fewer frontiers and the malignant culture that has grown out of the progressive movement, the marginalization of those that think outside the box has become nearly complete and there are fewer places to which they can escape.

Anonymous TWS December 23, 2013 1:03 PM  

Tad's back?

Blogger Nate December 23, 2013 1:04 PM  

"Nate this is the silliest thing ever. 2nd and 3rd generation illegals are not going to immigrate back to Mexico to be poor and destitute and criminal in Mexico. "

1) Mexico isnt' destitute and criminal son. Jesus have you traveled at all?

2) They will if their parents take them with them. At least the 2nd will. And besides... a big chunk is all that's necessary.

3) The US is the one that is destitute. They go where the jobs and money is. That won't be here.

Seriously you've already demonstrated you don't understand this. Why keep struggling?

OpenID cailcorishev December 23, 2013 1:06 PM  

The free speech issue is one thing, but it is clear that A&E has violated Title VII by suspending Phil due to his religious views.

Seems to me A+E would simply argue that they didn't suspend him because of his religion, but because of his "hate speech." They could easily trot out a bunch of experts from major Christian denominations who would declare that his position on homosexuality doesn't fit their version of "Christian" at all, and then argue that his faith had nothing to do with what he said. In fact, they could claim to be defending that "true" tolerant Christianity from his intolerance.

Blogger Nate December 23, 2013 1:09 PM  

"At their best, cities generate wealth and employment, promote cultural exchange and inclusion, foster creativity and ideas, and provide access to recreation and education."

You're a moron.

Cities generate none of those things. Cities generate filth and nothing else.

Anonymous TWS December 23, 2013 1:11 PM  

Dh - So we should get rid of the left? Works for me. On the other hand why would a leftist object to the the right using their own tool against them? It would be hilarious if the right used the left's tools against them.

Blogger rycamor December 23, 2013 1:23 PM  

Nate December 23, 2013 11:51 AM

"I would not want a world where everything that whites have accomplished in cities was erased."

That's because you have an inflated view of the innovation caused by cities.


Or to put it another way: most of the innovations caused by cities come from attempts to solve the many problems caused by cities.

OpenID cailcorishev December 23, 2013 1:25 PM  

Cities generate none of those things. Cities generate filth and nothing else.

Yes, at best you can say cities offer certain economies of scale by bringing more people closer together for things like industry or specialized entertainment. That doesn't mean those benefits outweigh the negatives.

Since you mentioned filth, one example: unpasteurized milk was never a major problem until dairies began expanding in size and being run as factories to service large city populations. That meant replacing pastures with floors and a grain diet, and owner-farmers with employees, all of which resulted in manure getting into the milk as a common occurrence. So did they decide that cows really needed to be on pasture, not in factories, so that they'd be cleaner and manure wouldn't get in the milk in the first place, and that a city incapable of being provided with milk by surrounding farms was too large?

Of course not; they began pasteurizing all milk -- killing the bugs introduced by the manure which would continue getting into the milk. So city people could continue drinking their manure-flavored milk, but at least it wouldn't kill them.

That's what city living looks like to those of us on the outside: it might be fun at times, but a lot of effort goes into making sure it doesn't kill you.

Blogger Nate December 23, 2013 1:27 PM  

People have no idea how much trouble is caused by trying cram millions of people in 100 square miles.

Giant stupid.

Giant.

Blogger JDC December 23, 2013 1:30 PM  

I would argue that cities themselves are a disease. There is no such thing as a healthy one and there never has been.

Anecdote alert. I have lived in Chicago, Indianapolis, just outside of Atlanta (Smyrna), in Raleigh, NC (good city if you have to be in a city), and St. Paul. The rot and mildew thrive there because the foundation is bereft of strength. I thankfully live in a rural area now - and still, of all the places I and my family have lived I still long for the peace and tranquility of MI's Upper Peninsula. 300,000 people spread over an area larger than 10 U.S. states. Nothing but hunting, fishing, going to church and grilling. Bliss I say. Hell, in the U.P (and other rural areas I would guess) the mere fact that the Duck Comm wears camo is enough to get them to listen to him.

Anonymous Alexander December 23, 2013 1:34 PM  

Progressive urbanization is openly calling for:

Let them eat beans!
Let them eat insects!
Let them live in micro-apartments!

You need an awful lot of science and culture and industry and commerce and art and what have you to compensate for a society where the majority of people are expected to live in space the same liberals would raise hell if you kept an animal in it, eating beans and bugs washed down with shit-milk before you go out and get volunteered for knockout game. And pay the extra taxes for your trouble.

Blogger rycamor December 23, 2013 1:35 PM  

People worry about population density should the cities spread out into the countryside. Yes, that's a downside, but the fact is that just about any family can supply 90% of its nutritional needs from a 1-acre property. Sometimes even 1/2 acre, depending on quality of soil and climate. The rest can be accomplished by trading with others in the area with different specialties. So one could make a case for towns and shires being the maximum useful aggregations of humans. Even then, I would rather live outside than in.

The historical rationale for cities (fast knowledge interchange) has long since disappeared.

Blogger JDC December 23, 2013 1:37 PM  

Actually...I was completely wrong in my previous post. Cities are the light on a hill, a perfect utopian and cosmopolitan wonder - resplendent microcosms of what heaven is meant to be. Communities built upon the ideals of tolerance and love and support and neighborly agape. Rural areas have none of that, so - don't bother moving to one.

Anonymous LES December 23, 2013 1:43 PM  

GG, The US started out with exceptional documents and a moral citizenry entrusted with self-government. Today the documents are ignored, our culture is decadent and our government has been taken over by thugs who have created a police state. The US military goes abroad for reasons other than protecting our freedom.

The American exceptionalism you advocate was an ideal that was never realized.
You can quote 2 Chronicles 7:14 all you like but it won't happen. That verse does not apply to the United States. If you want to try to change the US to live up to its original ideals, fine. But first you have to see the US as it has actually become. Acknowledging that America is not exceptional is not the reason it isn't.

Anonymous Cryan Ryan December 23, 2013 1:51 PM  

Nate...thanks. I agree with your sentiments.

Bottom line....every Memorial day when I visit the family graves, I'm tempted to dig up my great grandfathers and kick their embalmed asses from one end of the cemetery to the other, for allowing women's suffrage.

They screwed us all over a thousand times worse than the boomers screwed the X'ers.

In fact, the boomers would never have screwed the X'ers over had men been running the show.

There would have been no pill, no broken family unit, no no-fault divorce, no Roe vs. Wade, no "earned income credits", no child tax credits to single mothers, and no fag scout leaders.

We probably would still have bull dyke gym teachers, but there would have been no women sports commentators, no synchronized swimming in the Olympics, no gays in the sit-coms, and no planned parenthood.

Stay at home moms would be the norm. There would be no drugging of active boys in school, no girls in the marines, no sluts parading as role models on tv, and our women would be a lot happier.

The pussy beta males would still exist, but we'd punch em in the shoulders yell at them, and toughen them up when they were getting slapped around at home.

Church would still be fun. College would still be practical. Nursing homes would be run in a sane manner. No more spoon feeding of brain dead geezers for 20 years at $4000 per month.

People could die with dignity. Kids would still respect their dads. People would still respect their grandparents.

Any problem you can name in our society, you can lay at the feet of our great great grandfathers who allowed suffrage.

Our women can not be held accountable. Neither will they ever give up the right to vote.

God allowed this to happen. Our job is to do our job, within the constraints imposed upon us by our dumbass great grandfathers, who had their heads up their asses.

Once I gave up thinking I had a right to judge what the future should hold for us, things became a lot easier.

Still like to kick the old guys asses, though.

Blogger IM2L844 December 23, 2013 1:54 PM  

They could easily trot out a bunch of experts...

That would be perfect. Then, Phil could just trot out his authority on the subject, the bible:

Genesis 19:1-11, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Judges 19:16-24, 1 Kings 14:24, 1 Kings 15:12, 2 Kings 23:7, Romans 1:18-32, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, 1 Timothy 1:8-10 and Jude 7.

I would love to see this play out in public. It would be very difficult to show that Phil's interpretation doesn't fall within a reasonable reading of these verses. It would be similarly simple to show that Christians are obligated by their religion to tell sinners, as defined by the above bible verses, that they are in fact sinners.

Anonymous DonReynolds December 23, 2013 1:55 PM  

Phil Robertson should be under Secret Service and FBI protection. Should there be a violent attempt on his life..... and this is not unthinkable...... the result would be much more than long lines at Chick-Fil-A. I do not doubt that security has been beefed up recently.
This is a terribly emotional agenda item and passions are running high on both sides. Mr. Robertson is in danger from gays and anti-gays alike. (Gandhi was assassinated by a fellow Hindu who felt he was not fanatical enough.)
This is a free society where gays are tolerated to engage in the lifestyle they chose. Of course, that is not enough for them. They want acceptance. They want everyone to say it is normal. They want it to be OK. My suggestion to gays is to leave everyone else alone and call it good. But they won't do that.

OpenID cailcorishev December 23, 2013 2:01 PM  

Rural areas have none of that, so - don't bother moving to one.

Heh, yes, every time I get into a rural vs. city discussion, I remind myself that I don't really want to convince too many city people how good we have it out here. There doesn't seem to be too much chance of that, though. I've seen too many country kids grow up and move to the big city, then come home to visit and brag/complain about how expensive it is to live in a decent school district, how long they sit in traffic, how impressive their new alarm system is... There's something about those big city lights that seems to guarantee we'll never have to worry about more than a trickle of them trying to become our neighbors.

If the trains and trucks stop hauling in the food and coal, that'll be a different story, but I don't figure most of them will make it past the suburbs even then.

Anonymous farmer Tom December 23, 2013 2:09 PM  

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A Happy, Happy, Happy Christmas

Blogger Kentucky Packrat December 23, 2013 2:23 PM  

I've seen too many country kids grow up and move to the big city, then come home to visit and brag/complain about how expensive it is to live in a decent school district, how long they sit in traffic, how impressive their new alarm system is...

My grandfather's farmer friends all tried to use these arguments to get us to move back to the farm and get Number One Son to be a farmer. It didn't work: we homeschool, I ride the bus when I can, and my alarm system is biological backed up by Winchester....

I am a computer geek, and I detest driving with an unending passion. Attempting to drive 1.25 hours each way to work and back was the next thing to Hell for me. I have no intention of ever living outside of a bus line to my work ever again, if I can control the situation.

However, I will not pretend that a city (even one as suburban as Lexington KY) is ideal. Cities require massive infusions of energy and labor to be sanitary and safe, and any little breakdown in order to government and you're just a few steps away from Detroit. They are useful for densely housing the labor needed for factories and intellectual companies.

If the system ever quits, I'll go back to the family farm. Until then, I'll happily outsource that part of the labor.

Anonymous GG December 23, 2013 2:43 PM  

"The American exceptionalism you advocate was an ideal that was never realized."

Les, ideals are never totally realized. These things are intangible. It's about beliefs, values, direction. We make our ideals real by believing in them and striving towards them. These concepts are not contradictory. You can see America and all her faults and still believe that America is exceptional.

"If you want to try to change the US to live up to its original ideals, fine."

Listen to Phil's testimony. Nobody becomes perfect....and then comes to Christ. The time to believe the most, to rely on nothing but faith, is when everything is at it's darkest. The same could be said for a country and her ideals. We wouldn't be very good patriots if we only believed in America and stood up for her values when the weather was fair and all was well.

Blogger Markku December 23, 2013 2:45 PM  

Lol@Tad. So, THAT'S the approach they're trying next.

Blogger IM2L844 December 23, 2013 2:45 PM  

Mr. Robertson is in danger from gays and anti-gays alike.

Maybe he's one of the "two witnesses". I imagine he looks a little like Enoch and, you know, camouflage has been known to be made out of sackcloth in the past. Hmmmm. [jk]

Blogger rycamor December 23, 2013 2:48 PM  

Kentucky Packrat December 23, 2013 2:23 PM

My grandfather's farmer friends all tried to use these arguments to get us to move back to the farm and get Number One Son to be a farmer. It didn't work: we homeschool, I ride the bus when I can, and my alarm system is biological backed up by Winchester....

I am a computer geek, and I detest driving with an unending passion. Attempting to drive 1.25 hours each way to work and back was the next thing to Hell for me. I have no intention of ever living outside of a bus line to my work ever again, if I can control the situation.


Computer geek here...

At the end of '07 I moved to a 2.5-acre place in the country, BECAUSE I was tired of driving 45min each way to work through stop&go traffic. I would much prefer and hour's drive in the country than a half hour drive in the city, but I set things up so I can do most of my work at home. These days I drive far less than I ever had to in the city. It is the 21st century, you know.

And, I get to do a little farming and gardening, giving my family far better food than they could get in the city.

Blogger Random December 23, 2013 2:53 PM  

OT:

GG can add this to his "wow we sure are exceptional!" file:

Easier for cops to seize innocent peoples property, and not a single lawmaker voted against it.

Anonymous LES December 23, 2013 2:54 PM  

GG, Your patriotism is not the solution. I would guess that you are a Christian Zionist who believes that before the Second Coming can occur Israel must acquire all the land God promised Abraham in Genesis 15:18, that the Dome on the Rock and the Al-Aqsa mosque on the Temple Mount must be destroyed to make way for a 3rd Jewish Temple. American exceptionalism is God's plan to make it all happen.
This false theology is a major contributor to the problems in the world and the US.

Instead of spending American treasure and American blood why not just join the Israeli military?

Anonymous lozozlo December 23, 2013 2:55 PM  

@Cryan Ryan

Amazing comment there, bro!

OpenID cailcorishev December 23, 2013 3:03 PM  

I live far enough into the country to have livestock and no zoning, and I drive 10-15 minutes to my office, church, or the grocery store. The longest I've ever sat still in traffic here was about 2 minutes.

I will say, though, that my visits to the city have convinced me that if I ever had to live in one, I would live near the bus/train and take it everywhere, and not even own a car if I could help it. Public transportation may not be pleasant, but city driving for one weekend made me outright hate humanity. I can't imagine doing it every day.

Blogger Nate December 23, 2013 3:14 PM  

" I have no intention of ever living outside of a bus line to my work ever again, if I can control the situation."

hey... if you want to live like cockroach... that's your choice big man.

Anonymous Josh December 23, 2013 3:24 PM  

Of course, Pajama Boy isn't white. He's Jewish. Semitic, not European.

My larger point was the urban rural divide.

Anonymous GG December 23, 2013 3:28 PM  

"...Instead of spending American treasure and American blood.."

If we are not exceptional, why should I care about American blood and treasure? Heck, just redistribute it all to those who perceive themselves as victims and call it good.

"Your patriotism is not the solution."

Patriotism really is the solution. We live in a country we are deeply ashamed to praise, practicing a faith many of us are afraid to stand up for. Half of us no longer bother to vote and 87% of us have no faith in our own congress. Those of us here at home only have a few choices, stand up or lay down and die. Or wallow around in self pity because our country hasn't met our expectations.

Anonymous Josh December 23, 2013 3:45 PM  

You haven't proven that America is exceptional.

You also haven't proven that our empire is not evil.

Anonymous DonReynolds December 23, 2013 3:56 PM  

"Your patriotism is not the solution."

GG....."Patriotism really is the solution."

GG, patriotism is love of country. That does not mean that your country loves you back. There may not be a reward of any kind. In fact, it may cost you everything to love your country. But it certainly does not mean that your country will do what you want it to do. Too many of our patriots love their country like a glutton loves his (free) lunch.

Anonymous GG December 23, 2013 4:06 PM  

"You haven't proven that America is exceptional.You also haven't proven that our empire is not evil."

"..faith is the substance of things hoped for, the EVIDENCE of things not seen..."

Speak for yourself, Josh. Me and mine have been proving American exceptionalism for several generations now.

Anonymous LES December 23, 2013 4:20 PM  

OK, GG, define what YOU mean by American exceptionalism. I'm tired of your
"yes, but" game.

Anonymous dh December 23, 2013 4:35 PM  

GG, yeah, that's not american exceptionalism. What that phrase really means is we get to do bad stuff, and then acted shocked and outraged when others mimic our actions, usually to a lesser degree.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 23, 2013 4:42 PM  

"American exceptionalism" is a phrase coined by Stalin, and it doesn't mean what people usually think it means.

Just thought I'd tell ya.

Blogger Random December 23, 2013 5:02 PM  

We live in a country we are deeply ashamed to praise, practicing a faith many of us are afraid to stand up for.

You seem to consider America and Christianity co-existent and co-equal.

If America were annihilated tomorrow, my faith in Christ would be unaffected.

You?

Blogger Random December 23, 2013 5:06 PM  

That was supposed to be "co-extensive" not "co-existent."

Clearly they are co-existent.

Anonymous Micah December 23, 2013 5:12 PM  

This has evolved (pun intended) into a job for Dietrich Bonhoeffer

“Being a Christian is less about cautiously avoiding sin than about courageously and actively doing God's will.”
― Dietrich Bonhoeffer

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 23, 2013 5:18 PM  

"We live in a country we are deeply ashamed to praise"

Actually the real problem is not that we are ashamed to praise our country, the problem is, we are a race (yes, I mean white people) who have been, bizarrely enough, trained/intimidated into not praising itself. (Guess who I'm looking at right now.) Historically speaking, this behavior is weird and quite new, and it will go away again in short order. But of course, the first step in making it vanish, as it should and must, is to begin defying it.

Anonymous Porky December 23, 2013 5:18 PM  

If America were annihilated tomorrow, my faith in Christ would be unaffected.

Mine would be slightly increased.

Blogger Whiskey December 23, 2013 5:39 PM  

Somewhat related, the Advocate names Pope Francis Person of the Year for Marriage Equality. Gotta "love" the "NO H8" on his cheek.

I figure the folks at the Advocate know who is with them and against them. Over under on when the Pope puts gay marriage as Christian Dogma? He's already railed against "nativism" and said outright that Christianity requires mass immigration of the Third World into Europe and America.

That's the great weakness of Catholicism. All it takes is one gay-friendly, Mass Third World Immigration Pope and the whole thing is changed forever. It was probably inevitable, the great mass of Catholics are Latin Americans not Whites. Europeans even in Catholic countries no longer believe ... in Christianity. Instead its a great ugly mass of debased Volk Marxism, Global Warming, Multiculturalism, Feminism, etc.

I am a SoCal native, born and bred. Whites are now a minority in SoCal and California at large. No, Mexicans will NEVER leave. Why would they? They will always get welfare and now control the State Legislature. Jerry Brown like George W. Bush is likely to be the last White chief executive. [I would be "shocked" mind you if Moochelle ran for President. Paging President Kirchner, Paging President Kirchner!] The future of America is right here in California. And mostly its Mexican, with a wealthy Chinese overlay.

FWIW, this seems the opinion of similar native Steve Sailer. At least my reading of his commentary.

Second Kentucky Packrat's thoughts.

As for Phil Robertson, I wonder if this is a meeting engagement for cultural fights.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 23, 2013 5:47 PM  

"The future of America is right here in California."

Well in reality, the future of America (by which I mean white people, who are the only actual Americans) is going to have to be to just dissolve America, split the territory into parts, take a nice piece of it for themselves and then seal it off forever. Especially from, y'know, the Scots-Irish. It'll all be worth it, just to see the look on their faces when the gate slams shut for good and they realize they're stuck with their beloved vibrants.

Blogger Lud VanB December 23, 2013 5:50 PM  

"yes...the courage of a man talking mythological nonsense among like minded individuals and insulated by his wealth from the rest of the world...truly I am in awe

Leave algore out of this and stay on topic!"

How does what I said apply to Al Gore but not to Phil Robertson? are they not both insulated by their wealth? do they not both surround themselves with like minded individuals? what am i missing here?

Blogger Lud VanB December 23, 2013 5:53 PM  

"Well in reality, the future of America (by which I mean white people, who are the only actual Americans) is going to have to be to just dissolve America, split the territory into parts, take a nice piece of it for themselves and then seal it off forever. Especially from, y'know, the Scots-Irish. It'll all be worth it, just to see the look on their faces when the gate slams shut for good and they realize they're stuck with their beloved vibrants."

what is the criteria for defining what is a "real" American? if that is the longest continual occupation of either north or south America, that would be the native americans who have been here for over 20 thousand years.

Anonymous hausfrau December 23, 2013 5:55 PM  

yes...the courage of a man talking mythological nonsense among like minded individuals and insulated by his wealth from the rest of the world...truly I am in awe

Leave algore out of this and stay on topic!"

How does what I said apply to Al Gore but not to Phil Robertson? are they not both insulated by their wealth? do they not both surround themselves with like minded individuals? what am i missing here?


you don't speak sarcasm do you?

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 23, 2013 5:56 PM  

LVB: "what am I missing here?"

The difference between Al and Phil is simply, that Phil is right and Al is wrong. (Also, Phil is good and Al is evil. Same thing, basically.) Typical leftist, telling me the sun is not a giant nuclear fireball it's really a magical chariot, and also all opinions are equally valid, except when a vicious leftist commissar arbitrarily disagrees, in which case everything suddenly and mysteriously turns into its opposite.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 23, 2013 5:58 PM  

"if that is the longest continual occupation of either north or south America, that would be the native americans"

Did any of them ever call the place "America"?

Blogger Lud VanB December 23, 2013 6:05 PM  

"Did any of them ever call the place "America"?"

yes...plenty of times as a matter of fact but how does that make any of them "real-er" americans?

Blogger Lud VanB December 23, 2013 6:08 PM  

"The difference between Al and Phil is simply, that Phil is right and Al is wrong. (Also, Phil is good and Al is evil. Same thing, basically.) Typical leftist, telling me the sun is not a giant nuclear fireball it's really a magical chariot, and also all opinions are equally valid, except when a vicious leftist commissar arbitrarily disagrees, in which case everything suddenly and mysteriously turns into its opposite. "


oh do tell...what makes Al Gore evil and Phil Robertson good?

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 23, 2013 6:13 PM  

"yes...plenty of times as a matter of fact"

Wait, let me see if I got this straight. You think that Mayans in say 200 BC, or Iroquois or Hurons in say 700 AD, or Lakota Sioux in say 1357 AD, called or visualized the place they were living in as "America"?

And you just said this, "as a matter of fact"?

Have I got that right? I just want to be clear what you're saying.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 23, 2013 6:14 PM  

"oh do tell...what makes Al Gore evil and Phil Robertson good?"

Um, the same thing that makes the sun a giant nuclear fireball and not a magical chariot.

Blogger Lud VanB December 23, 2013 6:50 PM  

"Um, the same thing that makes the sun a giant nuclear fireball and not a magical chariot."

yeah...that actually makes no sense. Who said anything about a magical chariot?

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