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Wednesday, January 15, 2014

Diversity and the law

It will be interesting to see if the left-wing gay activists who are so enthusiastic about diversity and immigration will stop to rethink their enthusiasm in light of a series of new laws in various African countries:
Nigerian authorities today began arresting gay men after legislation was quietly approved criminalising homosexuality and imposing prison terms up to 14 years for breaking the new law. Several gay couples were taken into custody in the country’s majority-Muslim north, and rights groups feared that others would be targeted across the West African country.

Goodluck Jonathan, Nigeria’s president, signed the Same Sex Marriage Prohibition Act into law on January 7, but there was no public report of the new law until journalists obtained a copy of the act on Monday. It prohibits homosexuals from even meeting in groups of two or more, bans marriage or civil unions between people of the same sex, and criminalises gay clubs and events.

Reuben Abati, the presidential spokesman, said Nigerians were happy with the new law. It makes Nigeria the 38th African nation to enact legislation persecuting gay people.
This is obviously wonderful news for left-liberals around the world, since as we all know, increased government intervention is an inevitable indication of social progress. And given the increased number of Africans in the USA, obviously it will be important for Americans to respect their cultural mores by permitting them to arrest any homosexuals who offend them.

It would, of course, be racist, xenophobic, and cultural imperialist to suggest that the newfound American enthusiasm for legal buggery should be forced upon Africans. I find it amazing to observe that 38 countries across Africa alone have criminalized homosexuality. It's not something one often hears the American media mention despite their interminable sob stories about the Dark Continent.

Ten years ago, I would have seen such a law as an outrage. Not something to justify foreign intervention, you understand, but still, it would have been an outrage to my libertarian sensibilities. However, after seeing the increasingly fascist behavior of the gay rights activists, I'm not only indifferent towards Nigeria's actions, but fully expecting similar laws to start taking effect in the West once the current Washington-Brussels axis collapses. After all, we're already seeing them start to surface in Russia and Eastern Europe.

In an age of global communications, it's simply not possible to make the same deceptive arguments over and over again. Other countries see what has happened in the USA and elsewhere and they don't wish to experience the same consequences. "Some have suggested Nigeria’s new law and a proposed one in Uganda were a backlash to Western pressure for gay rights."

From Big Government Republicans to drag queens, everyone feeling their political oats always seems to forget that social mood is a pendulum. But one of the best ways one can predict what is likely to happen in the future is to observe whose pendulum appears to be closest to peaking.

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71 Comments:

Anonymous Earl January 15, 2014 4:12 PM  

Gay is the new black. Blacks are very religious, and anti-gay. Blacks are going under the bus. Still won't be as evil as Christian white males, though. There is a big spectrum full of victim/oppressor groups and they have a certain order:

Lesbian
Gay male
Bisexual
Female
Non-white
Non-Christian
Democrat
Handicapped
Transgender
Obese/Overweight
Republican
Male
Christian

Anonymous Anti-Democracy Activist January 15, 2014 4:19 PM  

I dunno, Vox - I don't think there will be all that much conflict within the left over this. It seems to me to fit in neatly with the fact that the left has been quietly but quickly dumping blacks in favor of gays as their favored Designated Repressed Minority Group. The death of Nelson Mandela and, ironically, the increasingly failed-looking Presidency of Barack Obama seem to be convenient break points between the two.

As for reasons for the switch, it may have to do with the fact that the behavior of blacks becomes increasingly impossible to excuse even for fantasists and denialists like the left. It may have something to do with the desire of the left to cozy up to Hispanics, who, being in direct competition with blacks at the bottom of the socioeconomic totem pole, tend not to like them very much. Or it may be as simple as the fact that blacks, having conveniently served their purpose to the left, may now be safely tossed aside; more discreetly than the Trotskyists and Anarchists were tossed aside by the Bolsheviks, to be sure - the left will pay token lip service to blacks for the foreseeable future, while ceasing to do anything of substance for them - but tossed aside all the same.

In all likelihood, it's some combination of All Of The Above.

Anonymous x January 15, 2014 4:20 PM  

The minute someone's child dies from infection --- the second someone's baby dies because gay-fags want their 1000+ buttsex partners without biological consequence -- that's the day that heartbroken parent turns on the queers.

The backlash will make the Night of Long Knives seem like cabaret...

Anonymous CarpeOro January 15, 2014 4:20 PM  

"From Big Government Republicans to drag queens" there are times that I wonder which is a subset of the other....

OpenID luagha January 15, 2014 4:22 PM  

Getting married might have been a bad idea. Put my name on a list.

Oh well, I promise to go out shooting socialists one way or another.

Anonymous Anti-Democracy Activist January 15, 2014 4:25 PM  

@Earl

You have that right. The hierarchy of who outweighs who in the Leftist Order of Designated Victims is as rigid as the hierarchy of an 18th century manor house. It is, however, much more flexible, in that groups can be promoted or demoted within the hierarchy as circumstances demand. But whatever the hierarchy is at any given moment is inflexible and rigidly enforced.

One had better know one's place, or the consequences will be very severe indeed.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 January 15, 2014 4:29 PM  

This is probably the most restrictive law for gays to be passed in recent times. Uganda's law only brought the death penalty to child rape and the rape of disabled people where HIV infections were involved. Sounds like an anti-gay law to me because gays have a right to rape the disabled and children and give them AIDS.

And the Russian one was even less restrictive. It merely outlawed gay pride parades and teaching homosexuality to children.

This is why they are fascists. They cannot conceive of a world that does not tolerate the harm they do to others.

Anonymous Earl January 15, 2014 4:34 PM  

I admit that the question was more specific about how left wing homosexualizers will view immigration in light of these African laws, and that I did not answer that question-- now that I think about it.

Anonymous Earl January 15, 2014 4:36 PM  

"The minute someone's child dies from infection --- the second someone's baby dies because gay-fags"

I would like to think so, but I don't think so. Reason being is this: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/17/controversial-therapy-for-young-transgender-patients-raises-questions/

"A lesbian couple in California who say their 11-year-old son Tommy who wants to be a girl named Tammy are giving their child hormone blockers that delay the onset of puberty -- so that he can have more time that he can have more time to decide if he wants to change his gender."

Anonymous cheddarman January 15, 2014 4:37 PM  

Black and Hispanic cultures are very anti-gay, I cant see the Democratic coalition in the U.S. holding together if the homosexuals continue in their militancy.

Anonymous Anti-Democracy Activist January 15, 2014 4:39 PM  

@Vox The pendulum may very well swing this way or that; but as the United States becomes more and more tyrannical - with social policy made by unelected, unaccountable judges against whose capricious decisions there is no real recourse, and foreign/military policy set by a President who rules by Executive Order, leaving the elected representatives of the people to find out what he's up to by reading about it in the Washington Post - do the swings of the pendulum really matter?

What we have now is effectively - and increasingly - a tyranny that uses the Democracy™ branding to keep the peasants from grabbing their pitchforks and torches - a plan that, admittedly, seems to be working pretty well, as the American people have so far let their Democracy™ get away with outrages that they would have tarred and feathered any diadem-wearing monarch for trying decades ago.

The people can want whatever they may - 75% of Oklahomans voted for an amendment to their state constitution to ban gay "marriage", and that just got thrown out the window by a single man in a black robe - but it is increasingly the case that that and a dime will get them a cup of coffee.

Anonymous x January 15, 2014 4:41 PM  

Earl: we'll see how people feel once anti-biotics start failing. A few super-bugs and pandemics, and you'll see how fast the SWPL will start throwing gays into the ovens, or just shooting them a la Ernst Röhm, this isn't the first time in history where we've seen the homos go from popular to lepers.

Blogger The Deuce January 15, 2014 4:42 PM  

Hard to say how this will go. When push comes to shove, the left reliably favors whichever group is most subversive of Western civilization in any dispute. My *guess* would be that this will mean the gays, at least in the short-term.

Anonymous Matt January 15, 2014 4:43 PM  

Lesbian
Gay male
Bisexual
Female
Non-white


Nah. Per Steve Sailer's "lesbians aren't gay" thesis, they're basically ersatz men in the Designated Victim Group hierarchy. They're below non-white and above non-Christian in your list. When was the last time there was a Two Minutes Hate involving an offended white lesbian?

Blogger JDC January 15, 2014 4:49 PM  

I can remember the conundrum liberals found themselves in when I was part of the ELCA - specifically 2002-2006 when the church was openly discussing ordaining homosexual pastors and blessing same sex marriages (they of course finally did so in 2009). At one district pastor's gathering, we discussed the ramifications of making this decision. People got up and cried because their son was gay, and they were a member of a church who wouldn't allow him to be a pastor, people cried because Jesus is love, and love = gay rights. I distinctly remember three African pastors (2 from Nigeria and one from Tanzania) getting up and basically saying, "Are you guys f***inc crazy? The Bible is clear and God won't be mocked."

The liberal silence was deafening. They didn't know how to respond - they couldn't with vitriol (that weapon for only for the Caucasian horde). So they remained silent...and some subtly suggested that the African pastors just needed a bit of enlightenment. Those were fun times.

Blogger The Deuce January 15, 2014 4:54 PM  

VD:

Ten years ago, I would have seen such a law as an outrage.... However, after seeing the increasingly fascist behavior of the gay rights activists, I'm not only indifferent towards Nigeria's actions...

Same here. I used to be "live and let live" on this, but I've since been persuaded - mostly by the gay lobby's actions, not the arguments of its detractors - that homosexuality intrinsically seeks towards totalitarian thought control, and that it in real life it comes down to either suppressing it to the margins of society or abandoning all other rights.

OpenID loremipsum00 January 15, 2014 4:55 PM  

Believe it or not, there's a formalized pecking order for minorities the study of which is known as "Intersectionality".

Think of it as an academic game of Paper Rock Scissors for the victim card.

Anonymous Jc January 15, 2014 5:03 PM  

The thought occurs to me: if Hilary Clinton is in fact a clost lesbian and she happens to win the next presidential election, she will almost certainly out herself for the gay agenda once she reaches office--or, if feeling particularly bold, during the election season for the distinction of being "the first lgbt president in US history." ("Come now, think of the children!")

Regardless of how the social tide turns, the gay agenda isn't going down without a fight.

Anonymous Porky January 15, 2014 5:10 PM  

All I want to know is can I still eat albino children for their magical powers?

Anonymous Josh January 15, 2014 5:11 PM  

All I want to know is can I still eat albino children for their magical powers?

Aren't you already the other white meat?

Anonymous JI January 15, 2014 5:14 PM  

The pro-immigration gay activists will simply be pro-gay-African-immigration. I'll bet the next thing will be giving asylum to African gays who are fleeing "persecution".

Anonymous Anti-Democracy Activist January 15, 2014 5:15 PM  

All in all, my natural reaction would be to pity homosexuals, but that, so long as they went discreetly about their business, they should be left discreetly alone. It has become obvious, however, that they simply will not do that. They have proven that it's "at your feet or at your throat"; and that failing to repress them, while it may seem like the less troublesome option on the surface, simply isn't going to work.

Anonymous Lorem Ipsum January 15, 2014 5:20 PM  

"Same here. I used to be "live and let live" on this, but I've since been persuaded - mostly by the gay lobby's actions, not the arguments of its detractors - that homosexuality intrinsically seeks towards totalitarian thought control, and that it in real life it comes down to either suppressing it to the margins of society or abandoning all other rights."

Totally agree. Midwits always yap about how personal disapproval is not enough for official discouragement of certain behaviors, but they fail to realize that the separation between personal feelings and social policy cuts both ways. Just because you, personally, happen to not particularly disapprove of something, is not enough to loosen social policy regarding it, particularly if it's been in force for some time.

Cultural Mores tend to exist for a reason. Adjusting them in a population limited to a couple hundred, max(like the bands in which we evolved) tend to show very quickly, and on an intuitive level, whether or not the new behavior is detrimental. A couple hundred million? By the time the effects become apparent to you as an individual, you may very well be laying strips of venison in the HOV lane of an abandoned superhighway, wondering just what the hell went wrong.

Anonymous Porky January 15, 2014 5:32 PM  

I'll bet the next thing will be giving asylum..

First there has to be a "Concert for Tolerance" live telethon hosted by Bono, and a PBS documentary called "The African Queens - Persecution on the Dark Continent".

Blogger Ricky Vaughn January 15, 2014 5:37 PM  

Hey look everybody! They're natural conservatives. If we just import Nigerians as well as their naturally conservative cousins, the Mexicans, soon CPAC will have its policy agenda enacted in this country.

Anonymous Edjamacator January 15, 2014 5:40 PM  

- a plan that, admittedly, seems to be working pretty well, as the American people have so far let their Democracy™ get away with outrages that they would have tarred and feathered any diadem-wearing monarch for trying decades ago.

Is that because of the plan or because of the "quality" of today's Americans?

Anonymous Will Best January 15, 2014 5:40 PM  

The pro-immigration gay activists will simply be pro-gay-African-immigration. I'll bet the next thing will be giving asylum to African gays who are fleeing "persecution".

Do we grant asylum to people with communicable diseases like HIV? And the gay community already has enough problems with HIV to go adding more to it.

Anonymous Anti-Democracy Activist January 15, 2014 5:53 PM  

@Porky

Don't forget the new primetime situation comedy on a major TV network in which a monogamous, non-promiscuous, well-adjusted, non-threateningly mildly-but-not-excessively-effeminate African gay couple moves in next door to, and becomes best friends with, an amazingly normal American couple. They laugh together, cry together, and learn important lessons about tolerance and equality.

Which, oddly, is completely different from my personal experience with homosexuals as generally being more along the lines of hypersexual, antidepressant-popping, self-loathing train wrecks with massive "mommy" complexes who seem incapable of even really grasping the concept of monogamy.

But what am I going to believe - my lying eyes, or television?

(I do have my own answer to that, which unfortunately is not the same as that of the majority of the American people)

Blogger Some dude January 15, 2014 5:54 PM  

I'm betting they won't care. My gut feeling is that the majority of homosexuals are unconsciously nihilistic and will end up backing any program that ends their moral suffering.

My reasoning is as follows. Given that all men are born with a conscience and a soul, the imperative of the conscience cannot be overridden as it is an essential part of the soul, but for the sake of free will, the conscience can be "deceived". Therefore, while no human being truly believes they are evil, they will justify their actions on some level. However, deep inside they know this justification is utter shit, therefore they will be compelled by a sense of justice to end those actions.

This is why incorrigibly evil people inevitably self destruct.

Therefore, in the case of die hard homosexuals that have made "peace" with their evil, at least on a conscious level, there is going to be an unconscious motivation to end their own actions, even if that means empowering others to destroy them.

By the way, I also think this is the reason why the worst possible torment any human being can go through is to be shown the absolute truth of what they have done. The disconnect of a non-physical entity trying to resolve gross material evil when they can no longer hide the truth from themselves (imagine a mathematics equation trying to "forget" the result of 2+2=4) is the most horrific pain imaginable. It makes all other suffering look like an amusement park.

In these bodies, where we can filter our own reactions through the chemical processes that compose our physical interaction with this world, we can function in a free willed manner by deluding ourselves, covering up the truth using our bodies to forget or to ignore, or to put off the truth, in the spiritual world, as well as in the future rectified physical world, I believe that will be impossible. There will be no horror worse than that of a soul that knows it did evil.

Anyway, those are just my random thoughts on the subject. I don't expect or even want anyone to agree with this, because I honestly don't know if I am right or not. I don't even know if it's even possible to accurately describe that world while we're in this one.

Anonymous Gen. Kong January 15, 2014 5:54 PM  

The fact that African countries are enacting anti-Sodomy laws will merely serve as an excuse to import more gay Africans for our Elders of Wye overlords under the refugee-resettlement racket (aided by all those nice Catholic, Lutheran and Episcopalian church ladies). Repukes are likely salivating at this prospect. I'm sure an African Sodomite would be an even more effective and entertaining "conservative" Incitatus than either Admiral Juan 'Batshit' McAmnesty of the Al-CIAduh airforce or the Pink Palmetto Princess.

Anonymous Chad January 15, 2014 6:02 PM  

Believe it or not, there's a formalized pecking order for minorities the study of which is known as "Intersectionality".

I though intersectionality was a meant to spread victimhood between two distinct groups. Essentially it's MLK's injustice for one is injustice for all taken to the extreme. So you get stupid forums like how racism affects feminists. It gets really confusing when intersectionality unites two groups with incompatible goals. For instance birth-defect handicapped people uniting with feminists who would've aborted them without remorse.

Anonymous Anti-Democracy Activist January 15, 2014 6:02 PM  

"Is that because of the plan or because of the "quality" of today's Americans?"

Both, and partly because that's just the nature of democracy. Plato told us two and a half millennia ago that democracies always degenerate into loopy egalitarianism, moral licentiousness, and financial bankruptcy as the people discover that they can vote themselves as much largesse as they like out of the public fisk and set whatever moral standards for themselves as might please them; and politicians figure out that they can gain power by giving the people what they want.

Which works, until it doesn't. At which point the people will beg a tall man on a white horse to come and restore order. And so begins the cycle anew.

Anonymous Harsh January 15, 2014 6:03 PM  

I'd like to think that Goodluck Jonathan's VP is named Badnews Timothy.

Blogger Eric January 15, 2014 6:06 PM  

It seems to me to fit in neatly with the fact that the left has been quietly but quickly dumping blacks in favor of gays as their favored Designated Repressed Minority Group.

The reason the Democrats are switching away from blacks is demographics. All over the Southwest there's been a low level war as Mexicans take over neighborhoods that have been black for as long as anyone can remember. That kind of stuff is a zero-sum game, and the Democrats know as they favor the more numerous Mexicans over blacks eventually blacks are going to wake up and leave the plantation. So choosing gays over blacks is a no-brainer.

Anonymous Anti-Democracy Activist January 15, 2014 6:09 PM  

I don't study Intersectionality for the same reason that atheists don't study the doctrinal differences between Anglicans and Methodists - if you're convinced that the whole thing is bollocks, what's the point in learning the fine details?

Blogger bearspaw January 15, 2014 6:15 PM  

Our figure skaters are going to be in big trouble if Nigeria gets the winter Olympics.

Anonymous A Plate of Shrimp January 15, 2014 6:16 PM  

"I'll bet the next thing will be giving asylum to African gays who are fleeing "persecution"."

Cut to 800 million Africans suddenly discovering that they're gay, and need asylum in America at once.

Anonymous bob k. mando January 15, 2014 7:06 PM  

scientamagiticians are SO fucking stupid.
http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/01/doing-math-on-the-fly-birds-form-the-flying-v-for-efficiency/
"It may be that birds have sensory abilities we weren’t previously aware of. It might also be that ibises, and possibly other birds, have an innate ability to do the required mathematics, quite literally, on the fly"

here's how it's done, you goddamn retards:
after a couple of cycles, the bird notices that greater or lesser amount of effort is needed for a given glide result and, nature being basically lazy, figures out the best return on investment simply based on experience.
any 'extra' sensory apparatus would amount to the bird feeling the approaching vortex impacting the wingtip feathers on the side closest to the front of the v.

i swear to God, the more these idiots talk the more i think people with college degrees need to be institutionalized ...

for OUR safety.

whether you're an evolutionist or creationist, birds are OPTIMIZED to fly. in order to fly WELL, they have be able to sense and respond to changes in air currents and flow.

once you stipulate to the ability of a bird to respond to changes in it's environment ( and it's environment includes it's flight envelope ) then the mere existence of turbulent flow guarantees the birds will 'notice' it and take advantage of it.

doing the math in their heads, my ass.

and we haven't even gotten into genetically encoded and inheritable behaviors yet.

Anonymous bob k. mando January 15, 2014 7:10 PM  

Anti-Democracy Activist January 15, 2014 4:19 PM
the left will pay token lip service to blacks for the foreseeable future, while ceasing to do anything of substance for them



this requires me to stipulate that the Left has EVER done anything beneficial for blacks. not seein it.

Anonymous joetexx January 15, 2014 7:32 PM  

Porky:

"All I want to know is can I still eat albino children for their magical powers?"

Josh:

"Aren't you already the other white meat?"

All I want to know is why this hasn't been nominated for thread-winner yet.

Anonymous Roundtine January 15, 2014 7:46 PM  

Hey look everybody! They're natural conservatives. If we just import Nigerians as well as their naturally conservative cousins, the Mexicans, soon CPAC will have its policy agenda enacted in this country.

Well, if CPAC decided to push an anti-gay propaganda law as the #1 issue, then yes, importing more Nigerians might well do the trick. Eventually the imports will realize the Jewishness, gayness and whiteness of the Democrats. Today, they are hard at work kicking white women off the affirmative action gravy train, but they'll work their way up the chain of command.

Anonymous Anti-Democracy Activist January 15, 2014 7:48 PM  

"this requires me to stipulate that the Left has EVER done anything beneficial for blacks. not seein it."

Perhaps I should have been more specific and distinguished between actions that were *intended* to help blacks (I'll admit to a few) as opposed to those that *actually succeeded* in helping blacks (I draw the same blank here that you do).

Then again, *actually* helping blacks was probably never really the point, was it?

Anonymous A Plate of Shrimp January 15, 2014 8:02 PM  

"Then again, *actually* helping blacks was probably never really the point, was it?"

Neither was *intending* to.

Anonymous YIH January 15, 2014 8:13 PM  

Back when Zenster and I were regular visitors to SBPDL he came up with the term 'nigonometric' to describe African names.
In short it was ''How bizarre (and/or humorous) is that name?'' though he never fleshed it out.
So I give you the Nigonometric Scale:
1. Thomas Sowell - no indication that he's even black.
2. Goodluck Jonathan, Nigeria’s president - makes you think WTF was it's mother thinking, but at least not too off the wall.
3. Various pseudo-African names like the classic Shaniqua.
4. This is for the even more bizarre pseudo-African names or names derived from consumer products; such as 'Lexus' and 'Dasani' (Mike Judge was not kidding about Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho)
5. Shitavious Cook - No, actual name. That one ranks right up there with ''Le-a, pronounced Le-dash-a, 'cause da dash don't be silent!''.
On the main topic, notice that there has been less of a firestorm about what happens in Africa when it comes to so-called ''gay rights'' than the much less draconian laws in Russia.

Anonymous AdognamedOp January 15, 2014 8:57 PM  

"Goodluck Jonathan, Nigeria’s president,.."

What!? Now that's a pimp ass name. It's also what you'd say to the queer guy from Soho about to embark on a fabulouss tour of Nigeria.

As far as the leftist victim/hierarchy goes, they'll just blame the Church, and it's stance on contraceptives, like they did back when the (phony) AIDS epidemic in Africa became news.

Anonymous Samson J. January 15, 2014 9:15 PM  

Ten years ago, I would have seen such a law as an outrage. Not something to justify foreign intervention, you understand, but still, it would have been an outrage to my libertarian sensibilities. However...

I'm very glad to hear remarks like this. I'm not calling our host a capital-"R" reactionary (his worldview is idiosyncratic and unique, if anything), but I'm not the first to notice that many self-described reactionaries were libertarians who are still attracted to a kind of "live and let live" philosophy but also realize that it sometimes doesn't work.

Other countries see what has happened in the USA and elsewhere and they don't wish to experience the same consequences.

I was listening to a call-in show on our beloved Kanadian Broadcasting Korporation the other day; the theme was along the lines of "what should be done about 'gay rights' and Sochi"? I only caught the tail-end of the program, but the last caller was a guy who simply said - in a pompous, self-righteous tone of voice - "well, I think if Russia's going to take this stance, they should be banned from the Games!" The ignorance and solipsism of this comment impressed me, as if he actually believed that the majority of the world somehow agrees with his post-modern leftist Canadian point of view on the matter and not vice versa.

Anonymous Samson J. January 15, 2014 9:20 PM  

I mean: and not the converse.

Blogger tz January 15, 2014 9:24 PM  

When you suppress cabbages you get Brussels sprouts.

But remember, it is those primitive, uncivilized, "ooga-booga" natives in Africa that are banning LGBTQ. And all those civilized progressive whites with better genetics here... Nevermind ;)

If we can ban DDT, maybe the response is to equally ban buggery.

Of course I'm waiting for some car company to have a buggery whip ad. Superbowl sunday awaits. (and for those who can't un-read, "whip" can mean both a supersonic flagellum or aerated cream - both/either image should suffice).

Anonymous Anti-Democracy Activist January 15, 2014 9:49 PM  

"as if he actually believed that the majority of the world somehow agrees with his post-modern leftist Canadian point of view on the matter and not vice versa."

According to leftists, conservatives only care about what America thinks and don't give a damn what "the rest of the world" thinks on any given topic. And yet, it is not hard to notice that for leftists, "the rest of the world" only really ever seems to be made up of Western Europe. When was the last time you saw any leftist talk about, for example, how Pakistanis might feel about abortion, or how Indonesians might feel about gay "marriage"? These two countries together have a population pretty close to equal to that of all of Western Europe combined - why do their opinions not count equally?

Is it that, deep down, the opinion of white countries really *do* matter more than others to the left? Or are they just selectively choosing which parts of "the world" actually count in order to, as is their wont, cherry-pick data until they get the answers they're looking for?

Anonymous bob k. mando January 15, 2014 10:39 PM  

joetexx January 15, 2014 7:32 PM
All I want to know is why this hasn't been nominated for thread-winner yet.



because we all already know that bacon is the magical meat. QED.



A Plate of Shrimp January 15, 2014 8:02 PM

Bubba Blue says: ...fried shrimp, fricaseed shrimp, cocktail shrimp, jumbo shrimp, bbq shrimp, shrimp on the half shell, poached shrimp ...



Anti-Democracy Activist January 15, 2014 9:49 PM
Is it that, deep down, the opinion of white countries really *do* matter more than others to the left?



oh, please.

these little shits don't even think that far.

it's what THEY ( that is, each individual leftist ) 'thinks'. and because that's what they 'think' at an individual level, everyone else is required to think the same way.

because they have no properly defined psychological boundaries and, to them, you and everyone else are just unruly figments of their imagination.

Anonymous Colorado Confederate January 16, 2014 1:30 AM  

CHEDDARMAN:
"Black and Hispanic cultures are very anti-gay, I cant see the Democratic coalition in the U.S. holding together if the homosexuals continue in their militancy."

Sure it will. While acceptance of effeminancy in all its forms may be slow in coming within the mainstream Black and Hispanic cultures, these people will put that aside when it's time to vote.

Most Blacks and Hispanics (and not a few Whites) have one undying political ideology: to vote for the candidate of "gimme, gimme, gimme -- whose gonna gimme the most".

The politicians who promise the most "gimme, gimme, gimme" are unquestionably those of the Democrat party.

Anonymous Anti-Democracy Activist January 16, 2014 1:43 AM  

It should also be pointed out that every successive "swing of the pendulum" back to the right in the West has gotten shorter and weaker, and has accomplished less. The pushback against the French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars gave us the century-long Victorian Era. The pushback against the Roaring 20s/Weimar Era and the FDR socialism of the 30s and 40s gave us the twenty-year American golden age between the end of World War II and the beginning of Vietnam (the period overbroadly, but widely referred by the shorthand term "The Fifties"). The pushback against the cultural revolution of the 1960s gave us the decade-long Indian Summer of the West we had in the Reagan/Thatcher eighties. How long will the the pushback (if any) against the left's mopping-up operations of the Obama Era last? Five years? And the one after that - two years?

The swings of the pendulum don't mean very much at all. The whole mechanism behind it must be smashed, and the pieces burned.

Anonymous Anti-Democracy Activist January 16, 2014 1:56 AM  

"Most Blacks and Hispanics (and not a few Whites) have one undying political ideology: to vote for the candidate of "gimme, gimme, gimme -- whose gonna gimme the most".

Pretty much. If we were importing Mexico's middle and professional classes (Yes, Mexico has plenty of doctors and lawyers and airline pilots - but those aren't the Mexicans who are sneaking across the Rio Grande at 3AM for the chance to stand in the parking lot of Home Depot looking for day labor), perhaps it would be different. But Mexico's ruling classes, being smarter than ours, are effectively dumping their poverty problem on us. What we're getting are Mexico's proletarian masses, who will vote the way that proletarian classes everywhere do - for whoever promises them the most free stuff from the public treasury.

As much as I hesitate to quote Rush Limbaugh, he did frame this problem well: You can't compete with Santa Claus. As long as the Democratic Party is *capable* of continuing to purchase political power with money forcibly extracted from its productive classes (or borrowed from increasingly-edgy investors, or created out of thin air at the click of a mouse), they will continue to do so. This will go on until we get to what the great economist Tony Soprano referred to as the "Bust Out" - the point when the pyramid collapses, the smarter and better-connected people behind the whole thing hop a flight to Dubai or Geneva, and the less bright or well-connected of them become reacquainted with that *other* thing that lampposts are good for.

Anonymous jack January 16, 2014 2:00 AM  

Of all the victim groups, I think feminists are the most loathesome of all.

I'd rather hand over this nation as a political plaything of the most vitriolic whitey-haters and gays, provided the outcome would bring the most soul-searing defeat and pain to feminists.

There are times when I think it would be tolerable to live under a caliphate as long as the wimmenz were the biggest losers.

Anonymous Anti-Democracy Activist January 16, 2014 2:16 AM  

"There are times when I think it would be tolerable to live under a caliphate as long as the wimmenz were the biggest losers."

Take it away, Janis! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GVarY6NnuE

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 16, 2014 5:18 AM  

Anti-Democracy Activist: "The swings of the pendulum don't mean very much at all. The whole mechanism behind it must be smashed, and the pieces burned."

Amen.

By the way, your comments in this thread helped me understand you better. When I first saw your handle, I thought, "isn't that like being an anti-dinosaur activist?" The false appearance of democracy, used to strengthen a system that means ruin for the people, not power to the people, can be worth opposing.

Anonymous Luke January 16, 2014 6:01 AM  

tz January 15, 2014 9:24 PM


"If we can ban DDT, maybe the response is to equally ban buggery.

Of course I'm waiting for some car company to have a buggery whip ad. Superbowl sunday awaits. (and for those who can't un-read, "whip" can mean both a supersonic flagellum or aerated cream - both/either image should suffice).


Classic (SFW) brief video related to this, from the animated movie "Wizards":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoAfb3f04mo

Anonymous hardscrabble farmer January 16, 2014 7:52 AM  

The silence is deafening as they say.

I use NPR as the go-to soundbyte board of the regime/cathedral/TPTB because it is broadcasting to the operatives in the field, like that old shortwave, late night, numbers station thing they used to broadcast during the Cold War. As important as it is to dumb down the masses, it is equally important that they maintain a cadre of semi-intelligent, thoughtful seeming drones to do the dirty work of dismantling the West. NPR is their default selection. Thirty years ago they humped the homo rucksack reminding everyone about the Long Road* ahead, in terms of convincing the majority who at that time opposed the mainstreaming of homosexuality. Now they proudly exclaim that the majority support it according to polls. So when the majority opposes their hobby horse, there's a lot of work to do to change minds but when the majority support it- well, because majority.

Lately every time someone from Pussy Riot gets a parking ticket they send a half a dozen correspondents to Moscow to bemoan the fate of the neo-Czarists but let some Nigerian take a stab at eradicating the 21st century equivalent of Typhoid Mary...crickets and tumbleweeds.

I can't wait to hear what they won't say about this today.

Anonymous scoobius dubious January 16, 2014 8:15 AM  

"I can't wait to hear what they won't say about this today."

The other day upon the stair
I met a man who wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today.
The Africans condemned teh ghey.

OpenID newrebeluniv January 16, 2014 9:55 AM  

Just the excuse they need to open immigration to black gays from Africa on an asylum basis.

--Hale

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown January 16, 2014 10:08 AM  

@ VD, The Deuce, Lorem Ipsum, Samson J

"Ten years ago, I would have seen such a law as an outrage. Not something to justify foreign intervention, you understand, but still, it would have been an outrage to my libertarian sensibilities. However, after seeing the increasingly fascist behavior of the gay rights activists, I'm not only indifferent towards Nigeria's actions, but fully expecting similar laws to start taking effect in the West once the current Washington-Brussels axis collapses."

"I'm very glad to hear remarks like this. I'm not calling our host a capital-"R" reactionary (his worldview is idiosyncratic and unique, if anything), but I'm not the first to notice that many self-described reactionaries were libertarians who are still attracted to a kind of "live and let live" philosophy but also realize that it sometimes doesn't work.
"

Count me in with the ex-libertarian reactionaries who got mugged (goosed?) by reality. Personally, the turning point was the aftermath of the S.C.O.T.U.S striking down Texas's anti-sodomy statues a little over ten years ago. While gheybutthex is certainly repugnant, it seemed like an unconstitutionally vulgar display of totalitarianism to have a law against it. Cultural conservatives warned that striking down said law would remove the last barrier to same sex marriage. I laughed and dismissed their warnings as paranoia. I was wrong, and to this day regret being on the wrong side of that issue. At least I'm in good company. Fool me once......

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey January 16, 2014 10:30 AM  

Something tells me we're about to witness an enormous number of imported African homosexualists prancing about our communities.

OpenID cailcorishev January 16, 2014 11:10 AM  

We used to have a law against the immigration of people with AIDS and other communicable diseases, but I'd be kind of surprised if it's still in place. That's not nice, after all.

If we do start importing lots of "gay" African refugees, we're going to get a rude surprise when we find out they're even less like the funny, quirky gays on TV than white American gays are (and they aren't that close either). Not that that will matter to the elites in their gated communities, since they'll settle them in flyover country and then accuse the natives of being racist and homophobic when we complain about the repercussions.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 16, 2014 11:53 AM  

"I find it amazing to observe that 38 countries across Africa alone have criminalized homosexuality."

Africa and, interestingly, a large number, probably a majority, of effectively African states here: Guyana, Belize, and a shipot of Carib island states, plus a large number of Melanesian and suchlike states in the Pacific.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 16, 2014 1:24 PM  

All those countries are acting wisely for their own benefit. Painful experience in white countries has shown that live and let live does not work.

Instead, there is aggression against the heterosexual majority, there are efforts to make homosexual culture rule over healthy family culture, there are of course major medical problems (which poor countries are ill-equipped to handle), there are efforts to groom and indoctrinate children, and perhaps worst of all, this toxic minority actively seeks alliances with other minorities hostile to the ethnic / genetic interests of the homosexuals, who act without regard, or with actual hostility to, the interests of their posterity.

To me, that's the most shocking thing. In principle, gays have the same ethnic / genetic interests as, say, monks and nuns. They are still part of the same race and culture, and the health, normality and abundant flourishing of children of the same race and culture is still in their collective interest. But they don't act like it. They act wickedly mad, and willing to tear down decency and all mutual tolerance.

I foolishly supported "tolerance" up to the outpouring of homosexual hate over Proposition 8 in 2008 and its quashing in 2010 by judge Vaughn Walker, who in 2011 admitted, sorry boasted, that he was a homosexual (with an obvious interest in the case he had claimed to judge fairly). And then in 2013, the Supreme Court made Vaughn Walker's word final, and inserted into the United States Constitution the lie that there are no reasoned arguments against homosexual marriage; there is only anti-gay bigotry. This is what "toleration" leads to: the official, legally enforced domination of lies over the truth, and the destructive, intentionally scandalous redefinition of the monogamous, heterosexual family unit. This is when I understood that there was no middle ground. Not saying bad, true things about homosexuals leads to them saying bad, untrue things about traditional heterosexuals, and making those lies into laws. Tolerance for homosexual culture inevitably entails intolerance for the essential institution of heterosexual culture in its traditional and true form. Kindness to the wolves is cruelty to the sheep.

In sum: state-privileged homosexuality turned out to be an abomination. And no amount of good wishes, medical and other support, laid-back "cool" or patience while waiting for homosexuals to come round to the view that live and let live was in their best interests could make it anything but an abomination.

It is what it is. Act accordingly.

Anonymous NZT January 16, 2014 1:37 PM  

Haha, this reminds me of how my liberal sister-in-law praises diversity and foreign culture one moment, then demands that we invade the entire Middle East and install liberal pro-Western regimes "so women won't have to live as slaves" the next. I'm no sharia fan, but I strongly suspect a lot of women in traditional Muslim cultures want to see the US brought down and Islamized "so our women won't have to live as whores". It's easy to romanticize other cultures when you think they're just restaurants and quaint styles of dress, but when it comes out that they have very different fundamental beliefs about morality, suddenly it's all "WOW JUST WOW".

Anonymous Anonymous January 16, 2014 2:31 PM  

Reading the comments here, it seems that the 'love that dare not speak it's name' suddenly won't shut up... And costing gays a lot of previously held goodwill.

Anonymous Anonymous January 16, 2014 3:09 PM  

The mental backflips of your average libtard are pretty astounding. They already blame Southern White Evangelical Preachers for spoiling the precious minds of the Nigerians against the beauty of sodomy.

Anonymous Anti-Democracy Activist January 16, 2014 3:30 PM  

"When I first saw your handle, I thought, "isn't that like being an anti-dinosaur activist?" The false appearance of democracy, used to strengthen a system that means ruin for the people, not power to the people, can be worth opposing."

Sorry to disillusion you, but no - I oppose democracy in even the best of circumstances. It's just made worse by the fact that these are not even close to the best of circumstances.

I find the comparison between dinosaurs and democracy bizarre. Dinosaurs were physical, living organisms that provably existed based on physical evidence. Democracy is, as the left might put it, a "social construct" - merely a set of ideas that some men came up with. The notion that the superiority of this set of ideas is as naturally evident and objectively true as the existence of dinosaurs seems like a some very unquestioned ideological dogma to me.

Not that I'm coming down too hard on you for that - for a bit of implausible-yet-unquestioned dogma, it sure is widespread. It took a long time and a lot of effort to free myself from it. But if there's one thing my experience on Planet Earth has taught me conclusively, it is that democracy does not work as advertised.

Sorry, but the Dictatorship of the Proletariat (which is what all systems based on popular sovereignty are at their core) is still a dictatorship. Tyranny that 51% of my neighbors voted for is still tyranny.

To get an expanded look at this, I strongly suggest Hans-Hermann Hoppe's book "Democracy: The God That Failed", and here are a couple of my own humble efforts in that area:

http://antidem.wordpress.com/2013/10/26/the-scam-of-democracy

And the first half-dozen of these:
http://antidem.wordpress.com/2013/10/19/short-takes-oct-2013

OpenID cailcorishev January 16, 2014 5:06 PM  

And costing gays a lot of previously held goodwill.

Yep. I'm another one who used to think gay marriage wasn't worth fighting over. Marriage is already so damaged by no-fault divorce and feminism anyway; there wouldn't be enough of them to matter; err on the side of personal freedom; etc. Their tactics were probably the main thing that changed my mind.

Really, they probably could have had civil unions and gotten all the legal advantages of marriage without much fuss at all. If it was really about being able to visit your "partner" in the hospital or share insurance policies, they could have had that without a fight. But that was never really what it was about; it was about shoving it down the throats of the squares, making a known Christian photographer come take pictures of them frolicking at their reception and so on. They've made it clear that nothing more than complete capitulation will do, and those efforts are warm-ups for the eventual main event when they try to force a Catholic priest to marry two of them.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 16, 2014 6:44 PM  

cailcorishev: "But that was never really what it was about; it was about shoving it down the throats of the squares, making a known Christian photographer come take pictures of them frolicking at their reception and so on."

Right.

cailcorishev: "They've made it clear that nothing more than complete capitulation will do, and those efforts are warm-ups for the eventual main event when they try to force a Catholic priest to marry two of them."

That will happen too, not soon but eventually, unless authoritative people say, "no, this is an abomination." No more "who am I to judge?" No more playing defense all the time and never offense. No more refusing to make the well-founded arguments because they are too harsh. Literally "fundamentalist" opposition with no softness or compromise.

However, we've seen a Pope on his knees in a synagogue in Rome. (We haven't seen the senior rabbi of Rome or Jerusalem penitently on his knees in church.) No matter who fooled himself about what means what, the slave knelt before his master; the embodiment of the enslaved institution knelt before its collective master.

Those who insist that they are owed everything because they are helpless, innocent victims and if you don't agree they'll crush you got what they wanted, on their preferred terms: the "oppressor" groveled before the helpless, innocent "oppressed". So, in contradiction to the Church's claims about what it is and the strength within it and the divine protection it has, we see that a smaller dog has been kicked out of the doghouse and the big old dog has moved (back) in.

Or how can one enter a strong man's house and plunder his property, without first tying up the strong man? Then indeed the house can be plundered.

I think that's what has happened. A strong man had a house in Rome. A stronger man entered the house and tied up the strong man and has been dividing up the spoils ever since. The first big looting party was Vatican II. But never the last, unless the strong man gets loose again.

While the old master of the house stays tied up on the floor and the new master rules, everything that you would think would never happen will one day happen. It's just a matter of time. The "internal logic" of Christianity is no longer really operative.

I'm not trying to tell anyone else that that's what you have to believe; that's just what this looks like to me.

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