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Tuesday, January 14, 2014

Optimistic

It would appear that Spengler, for one, has been listening to the Learned Elders of Wye. His article makes it appear as if the precious golden geese who have healed America with prosperity are in the early stages of preparing to take flight once more. David Goldman has what strikes me as a remarkably optimistic article on how much the Chinese like and admire the Jews because they have so much in common.
There is no greater compliment to any culture than to be admired by Chinese, who with some justification regard their civilization as the world’s most ancient and, in the long run, most successful. The high regard that the Chinese have for Jews should be a source of pride to the latter. In fact, it is very pleasant indeed for a Jew to spend time in China. The sad history of Jew-hatred has left scars on every European nation, but it is entirely absent in the world’s largest country. On the contrary, to the extent that Chinese people know something of the Jews, their response to us is instinctively sympathetic.

“I am always surprised by the expressions of affection that the Chinese show for the Jews. Both cultures, the Chinese emphasize, share respect for family, learning and, yes, money,” wrote the journalist Clarissa Sebag-Montefiore last year. ‘”Most Chinese will think Jews are smart, clever or good at making money, and that they have achieved a great deal,’ Professor Xu Xin, director of the Institute of Jewish Studies at Nanjing University (one of over half a dozen centers in China dedicated to studying Judaism) told me last week,” she wrote. “This logic — that the Jews are admired for their success despite their small numbers and historical oppression — has also led to a burgeoning industry of self-help books that use Jewish culture and the Talmud to preach business tips.”

Family, learning, respect for tradition, business acumen: these are Jewish traits that the Chinese also consider to be their virtues. All this is true as far as it goes. One might also mention that China never has had reason to view the Jews as competitors for legitimacy.

Christianity began as a Jewish sect and has vacillated between the claim that is has superseded Judaism and the view that it is a daughter religion that should honor its parent. Islam claims that Jews and Christians falsified the revelations given to them and that their scriptures are a perversion of God’s true message, which Mohammed restored to its original integrity. But by no stretch of the imagination could China view the Jews as a threat to the legitimacy of its civilization.

The Chinese, in short, have no reasons to dislike or fear the Jews, and a number of reasons to admire them simply because Jews display traits that Chinese admire among themselves.
Now, it's possible that Goldman is correct. I'm an East Asian Studies major, I'm not Chinese. Perhaps the Chinese will welcome the Jewish people with more or less open arms the way the American people did following the large-scale Jewish retreat from the European continent. On the other hand, there is also the possibility that the Chinese will look at the historical track record of the Jewish people, see what they have done to the United States of America during the post-WWII period, and view them as a parasitical threat.

Perhaps Goldman doesn't view the financial rape of the USA or the fact that China is sitting on $1.304 trillion in U.S. Treasury bonds that could be rendered worthless overnight as a reason for the Chinese to dislike or fear the Jews, but I am a little less sanguine on the prospect. I also think Goldman underestimates the ruthlessness of the Chinese in matters tribal and nepotistic.

The survival strategy that worked so well in the Middle Ages, where the Jews would be expelled from a country, then quietly return until they were banished once more, doesn't seem likely to work quite as well in an age of global communication. Hitler's complaints about the Jews sounded entirely mad to Americans. They sound mad, and manufactured, even today. But in the event of the sort of economic catastrophe and political breakdown that so concerns the Elders of Wye, I tend to suspect the Chinese will take the accusations of President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho a little more seriously.

Especially considering that the Chinese would like nothing better than to see a US political breakdown that would free them to claim the regional supremacy and world leadership they believe to be their civilizational birthright. I agree with Goldman that China does not view the Jews as a threat to the legitimacy of its civilization; my understanding is that the Chinese already view them as a rival.

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75 Comments:

Anonymous Axe Head January 14, 2014 1:04 PM  

Context-free, Hitler's complaints about the Jews do sound entirely mad. But in context--Weimar degeneracy spearheaded by Jews (for example, see Magnus Hirschfeld)--they start making sense.

Anonymous Josh January 14, 2014 1:08 PM  

The sad history of Jew-hatred has left scars on every European nation, but it is entirely absent in the world’s largest country.

Gee, I wonder why it could be entirety absent? Could it be that historically very few Jews lived in China?

Also, the Jews finally have a nice little homeland in the middle east. Why don't they all just move there if they're afraid of getting shoved into ovens again?

Anonymous bob k. mando January 14, 2014 1:16 PM  

David Goldman has what strikes me as a remarkably optimistic article


sure.

but does Goldman actually believe what he states in this article

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OR

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is he just trying to establish a narrative that would be beneficial to his people?

China: why should we like the Jews?

Goldman: because we have all the same ( snort ) cultural mores that you do!

China: doesn't that mean that you would compete directly with the Chinese people for the same resources in the same way that we do?

Goldman: d'oh.

Anonymous Josh January 14, 2014 1:19 PM  

Also, from the beginning of this piece:

The Chinese are connoisseurs of civilization. For thousands of years they have absorbed ethnicities into their own culture, eliminating on occasion tribes that proved too troublesome.

Given the Jewish paranoia about persecution and their "never again" ethos, I find it short sighted for Goldman to ignore that little inconvenient truth. Who's to say that the Chinese never find the tribe too troublesome?

Anonymous Earl January 14, 2014 1:21 PM  

Citing your major sounded scalzied that time.

Anonymous VD January 14, 2014 1:25 PM  

Citing your major sounded scalzied that time.

I don't think you understand what "scalzied" means. Now, had I said Goldman was wrong BECAUSE BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN EAST ASIAN STUDIES, sure, you'd be right. I was doing the exact opposite and pointing out that my educational credentials are not sufficient reason to reject Mr. Goldman's assertions.

Blogger Whiskey January 14, 2014 1:28 PM  

Goldman is living in the Oligarch denial. China is a nationalist nation, and the Oligarchs must tread carefully. A substantial amount (more than 50) of emigres into China is not in the cards. Lower level aristocrats will not stand for being usurped, and China has no rule of law anyway, merely different emperors and oligarchs and court officials.

There is no refuge. China will not take Jews in. There is a possibility of Israeli-Chinese deals for tech, natural gas, and other resources. That's limited but of some use. The idea that Jews or other White people can simply escape to China is a pipe dream. Same with Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, the Philippines, etc.

There is nowhere to go for Jews or other Whites. [Rest assured, Jews are Whiter than White. They are merely a faction of Whites. They are not non-White. Technically Ashkenazi Jews are ME Women and Italian Men, if DNA analysis has been correct.]

Blogger Whiskey January 14, 2014 1:31 PM  

Hitler's comments about Jews WERE mad. His own commander in WWI was Jewish. The Death Camps were filled with Jews wearing Iron Crosses from WWI. Jews enthusiastically volunteered for service, willing to die for Germany and the Kaiser to find acceptance. The main threat to Germany was an ethnic Georgian who ran a Russian Empire as Ghengis Khan returned.

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 January 14, 2014 1:34 PM  

May just be a scheme to import wealth in the face of China's own wealthy class exiting stage right.
Bring in the Jews, take their money, trump up some Crime Against the State charges, then roll up the mobile execution vans.
It'll be like the Nazis without the parades.

Anonymous bob k. mando January 14, 2014 1:45 PM  

Earl January 14, 2014 1:21 PM
Citing your major sounded scalzied that time.


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left side of the bell curve is thataway.

Anonymous Big Bill January 14, 2014 1:49 PM  

The odd thing about the supposed affiliation between Jews and Chinese is that it completely ignores the history of Sassoon, the Iraqi Jew, and his development of the opium trade in Shanghai and the other treaty ports. Strange how forgetful people are.

Anonymous Josh January 14, 2014 1:50 PM  

There is nowhere to go for Jews or other Whites. [Rest assured, Jews are Whiter than White. They are merely a faction of Whites. They are not non-White. Technically Ashkenazi Jews are ME Women and Italian Men, if DNA analysis has been correct.]

Then why do Jews support policies that have been bad for whites?

Their question has always been "is it good for the Jews" not "is it good for the goyim".

Anonymous dh January 14, 2014 1:53 PM  


Especially considering that the Chinese would like nothing better than to see a US political breakdown that would free them to claim the regional supremacy and world leadership they believe to be their civilizational birthright. I agree with Goldman that China does not view the Jews as a threat to the legitimacy of its civilization; my understanding is that the Chinese already view them as a rival.


VD, this is probably true, but the Chineese I have exposure view Jews as an ant hill. You don't go out of your way to squash it, but if you do, you hardly feel bad.

How successful are the Jews, it's hardly a drop in a bucket population wise. 5,000 year old culture and hardly anything to show for it by Chinese standards.

Anonymous bob k. mando January 14, 2014 1:57 PM  

for those who are new to the alt-rightosphere, David P. Goldman got his 'start' writing op-ed pieces under the "Spengler" handle in the Hong Kong based Asia Times Online.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Others/Spengler.html

Goldman is the quintessential jewish, neo-con bankster. he's obviously intelligent and often has interesting things to say.

but having Chinese 'liking' working with him in Hong Kong is an entirely different thing than Jews being 'safe' if the Chinese Politburo decides to go all Tianenmen Square on them.

Anonymous Nathanael January 14, 2014 1:58 PM  

"Hitler's complaints about the Jews sounded entirely mad to Americans. They sound mad, and manufactured, even today."

That's very surprising coming from someone who opposes Hollywood and the Federal Reserve. So let me get this straight; opposing the people who ran the Weimar equivalent of Hollywood and the Federal Reserve equals mad, but opposing them in America today is good?

Anonymous YIH January 14, 2014 2:07 PM  

Finally, something we can export to them!

Anonymous GreyS January 14, 2014 2:11 PM  

Seems to me basically a PR effort by Jewish businessmen already involved in China, trying to attract other jews. Two hundred people attending seminars in a city the size of Beijing does not a movement make. There are thousands upon thousands of groups, seminars, clubs, etc with many more times the number of attendees. Heck, there are probably 100,000 Christians in that city alone, and they have a few seminaries there with undoubtedly more students than the Jewish center.

Though I've no doubt that the Chinese DO admire the jews. The answer mostly lies with the first quote given by Spengler-‘”Most Chinese will think Jews are smart, clever or good at making money.."

Many many Chinese admire one thing above all others-- money. They look at people who are good at making money as supremely talented and lucky. And they know the jews are historically awfully good at making money. In my family, if someone is really tight about money or has what we call "money eye", we don't say "You're so jewish" we say "stop being so Chinese" or "that's the Chinese in her".

The Chinese are also very superstitious and if I was one of the jews trying to make business work in China, i'd play up the "lucky jew/money jew" angle as much as possible. Shoot, if I was Israel, I'd work the number 8 into everything about the nation of Israel. You wouldn't even have to be blatant about it, just let the Chinese notice and off to the races.

Anonymous CarpeOro January 14, 2014 2:13 PM  

Guests from far away are often appreciated. Those who over stay their welcome, not so much. The greatest appreciation of the Chinese for the Jews is they haven't tried to move in. Half of Europe did so at some point (concessions, "leases"), garnering enmity for some time to come.

Anonymous VD January 14, 2014 2:16 PM  

That's very surprising coming from someone who opposes Hollywood and the Federal Reserve. So let me get this straight; opposing the people who ran the Weimar equivalent of Hollywood and the Federal Reserve equals mad, but opposing them in America today is good?

You don't have it straight.

Anonymous Nathanael January 14, 2014 2:20 PM  

"You don't have it straight."

That's why I ended the sentence with a question mark. I am curious for an explanation about an apparent contradiction.

Anonymous Josh January 14, 2014 2:26 PM  

If you think you're seeing a contradiction, you're either reading other things into this, or you're just not tall enough for the ride.

Anonymous VD January 14, 2014 2:28 PM  

I am curious for an explanation about an apparent contradiction.

What do you think Hitler's specific complaints about the Jews were? What do you think the German equivalent of Hollywood and the Federal Reserve were?

Anonymous JI January 14, 2014 2:37 PM  

Goldman is a Jewish apologist. He reminds me of the Jewish AM talk radio shows in the US that are hosted by men who claim to be conservative patriots, but who always seem to put the interests of Israel before those of the United States. These all seem to be really great guys, it's just the Israel-before-all-else theme that bugs me.

Anonymous Nathanael January 14, 2014 2:44 PM  

His complaints in regards to Jews fell into three major categories.

1) That they used their ownership of major newspapers to push Marxism, class conflict, and anti-German values.
2) That they used their ownership of major theaters, nightclubs, and other entertainment sources to push pornography, homosexuality, and other sexual perversion.
3) That they used their ownership of major banks and financial institutions to enrich themselves via usury and fiat currency at the expense of the nation and middle class.

These are pretty standard complaints made by the right in modern America, minus pointing out the group disproportionately involved in the ownership and activism of said negatives. So that's the basis of my question. Is it merely naming names that makes it mad or is there some fundamental disagreement you have with Hitler's critique of Jewish influence in early 20th century Germany?

Anonymous lozozlo January 14, 2014 2:47 PM  

@Beau

Are you on this thread and are you still taking prayer requests?

I haven't seen your announcements lately.

Anonymous bob k. mando January 14, 2014 2:51 PM  

JI January 14, 2014 2:37 PM
Goldman is a Jewish apologist.


Goldman is the head of the Americas division in a Hong Kong investment bank.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_P._Goldman

as such, most of his clients and business associates are *Chinese*.

of COURSE he writes an article that amounts to a mutual ass kissing society between the Chinese and Jewish cultures.

if he wrote very critically of China, pressure would be brought to bear on him through channels official and non. not to mention, individual wealthy Chinese deciding not to invest with him.

as an observant Jew, he's not going to publish something that he considers to be to the long term detriment of the Hebrew people.

Anonymous cheddarman January 14, 2014 2:55 PM  

Who says the sons of Abraham plan to leave? I think this is misdirection. Every empire needs its Mandarin bureaucrats that know the local languages and cultures, and are good at collecting taxes and keeping up the infrastructure so that the revenue keeps flowing into the imperial treasury.

As they live in just about every country in the world, they would be a great asset to the Chinese if China were in a position to exercise hegemony over the world. And, they would serve China well, I would imagine, given what has happened to them historically in the rest of the world.

Anonymous bob k. mando January 14, 2014 2:55 PM  

OT, Zerohedge misses a beat:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-14/us-foreign-policy-hits-new-lows-after-israel-mocks-john-kerry


sure, the Israeli def minister is mocking Kerry. but he's ALSO slamming Obama. maybe even Carter?

Anonymous 11B January 14, 2014 3:03 PM  

The Death Camps were filled with Jews wearing Iron Crosses from WWI.

I don't want to denigrate the victims, but could you please elaborate on this statement. I've seen you post it a few times, and would like some clarification. When you write 'filled' what exactly do you mean? Do you mean that entire camps were comprised of Iron Cross winners, or that a majority of them had won Iron Crosses? Because 'filled' implies that. Now I don't doubt that some prisoners were decorated WW1 vets, but do you have any facts on what percentage of the prison population they comprised?

Anonymous 11B January 14, 2014 3:06 PM  

And, they would serve China well, I would imagine, given what has happened to them historically in the rest of the world.

They served the mohammedans well when they ruled over conquered Christian lands. I don't see any reason why they wouldn't do the same for the Chinese.

Anonymous VD January 14, 2014 3:07 PM  

His complaints in regards to Jews fell into three major categories.

Actually, he spoke a lot more about Jewish treachery behind the Treaty of Versailles, Germany being stabbed in the back, Jewish Bolshevism, and so forth. Those are the complaints with which Americans are familiar, to the extent they have heard them at all. And they don't make any sense to Americans. They sound barking mad.

Few Americans know that Jews owned about a third of German real estate and were three-quarters of the German stock exchange. They don't know that Germans were excluded from the newspapers controlled by Jewish owners and editors. They don't know Jews owned 90 percent of the private banks in Berlin.

There are, as you have presumably noted, tremendous similarities between 1920s Germany and 2010s USA. That, no doubt, is what concerns the Elders of Wye and historically aware Jewish writers like David Goldman. It concerns me too. It can't continue. It will end. One hopes that it will end without violence.

But one way or another, it will end. It always has before.

Anonymous Krul January 14, 2014 3:09 PM  

It may seem odd to compare the largest of peoples with one of the world’s smallest, but Chinese and Jews have something in common that helps explain their success and longevity. That is the ability to rise above ethnic conflicts...

It is instructive to contrast today’s Europe with today’s China. Europe has achieved a limited degree of unification without, however, overcoming national resistance to a unified government...

For all its great accomplishments, the European project of the past thousand years has failed. The greatest achievement of the West is the creation of the United States of America, which selected immigrants from all nations in a new, non-ethnic polity defined by a Constitution inspired to a great extent by ancient Israel.

When Christianity failed to overcome the residual tribalism of the West, its universalizing message was replaced by relativism...

The instinctive affinity that Chinese feel for the Jewish people, therefore, is not a matter of happenstance. Nor is the fact that Chinese civilization and Jewish civilization have longer continuity than any other modes of human existence. Despite their great differences, they share a common purpose, to transcend tribalism through a unifying civilization.


My reactions to the article:
1) Since when have either the Chinese or the Jews sought to "transcend tribalism" or "rise above ethnic conflicts"?

2) This guy's obsession with "unification" and "universalism" is rather troubling.

Anonymous GreyS January 14, 2014 3:10 PM  

One thing to remember about the Chinese-- they will lie all day long and all year long in order to save even one dollar. This is not an exaggeration or a joke. I deal with all sorts of nationalities-- Chinese, Japanese, Filipino, Russian, Polish, German, Australian, NZers, all sorts of Americans, various other Europeans. The Chinese stand head-and-shoulders above the rest when it comes to ripping you off, lying, and doing anything to save a buck. They will flat lie to your face even when caught red-handed.

Conversely, the Japanese are invariably kind and fair, and most would be completely embarrassed to try to rip you off. To us, the Japanese and Chinese seem like people from different planets.

So if the Chinese have something cooking re the jews, you can bet it isn't for the good of the jews-- the main interest is helping China and making money. Make that in inverse order.

Anonymous Josh January 14, 2014 3:12 PM  

Steve Sailer on Spengler:

That reminds me that adventuring in the Middle East seems to appeal most to two sets of people:

- The not very bright sorts who get Iraq and Iran and Saddam and Osama confused.

- And the extremely bright but not quite stable sorts who can convince themselves of anything.

Anonymous Nathanael January 14, 2014 3:22 PM  

OK, fair enough, I see where you are coming from. Your post read to me to be saying his complaints were mad rather than just seem mad.

I too would prefer that the current mess be resolved without bloodshed, but I fear that we have already passed the point of no return in that regard.

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter January 14, 2014 3:34 PM  

I wonder if the pattern will reoccur? When the chosen abandoned Russia (perhaps because the marks were easier elsewhere) we saw a resurgence in the Eastern Orthodox Church.

Anonymous VD January 14, 2014 3:35 PM  

I too would prefer that the current mess be resolved without bloodshed, but I fear that we have already passed the point of no return in that regard.

Well, the good news is Israel. The Holocaust might not have happened if the Uganda deal had gone through or if Israel had been established sooner. The USA expelled over one million Mexicans without violence in Operation Wetback. The fact that the Elders of Wye are already making plans to jump ship tends to indicate that they learned from the previous debacle. Perhaps there will be no expulsion, but rather, a peaceful resolution more akin to the one that took place under Napoleon.

Remember, most historical Jewish expulsions were not orgies of insane violence. The pogroms in Russia were the result of living among Russians; Russia has always been violent and unstable. And at least now, there is a safe place to go.

I wonder, in fact, if this might account for the desire to defang Iran. Israel will need more territory if its Jewish population is going to double.

Anonymous Just_Michael January 14, 2014 3:39 PM  

Sounds good to me.

Somebody should start a fund to provide a ship.

I've already got a name for it.

The "OY!"rient Express

Anonymous 11B January 14, 2014 3:39 PM  

It is instructive to contrast today’s Europe with today’s China. Europe has achieved a limited degree of unification without, however, overcoming national resistance to a unified government...

For all its great accomplishments, the European project of the past thousand years has failed. The greatest achievement of the West is the creation of the United States of America, which selected immigrants from all nations in a new, non-ethnic polity defined by a Constitution inspired to a great extent by ancient Israel.

When Christianity failed to overcome the residual tribalism of the West, its universalizing message was replaced by relativism...


I don't get why Spengler believes that Europe is a failure because it has not become one entity. I rather like the nation states of Europe. It gives great variety, and dare I say it, diversity.

In the past Spengler has mentioned all the bloodshed that has occurred because of European nationalism. But he needs to check the facts. China has had more death and destruction from civil wars and violence than all of Europe combined.

Anonymous Josh January 14, 2014 3:40 PM  

I wonder, in fact, if this might account for the desire to defang Iran. Israel will need more territory if its Jewish population is going to double.

Oh, the supreme historical irony of a 21st century Israel seeking living space by partitioning, say, Jordan.

Anonymous ZhukovG January 14, 2014 3:47 PM  

So, it sounds like some of the Jewish elite think that the US empire is about to implode spectacularly. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Gentile elite are casting about for a new home as well.

Anonymous allyn71 January 14, 2014 4:02 PM  

"Oh, the supreme historical irony of a 21st century Israel seeking living space by partitioning, say, Jordan." - Josh January 14, 2014 3:40 PM

Lebensraum for me but not for thee.

Anonymous VD January 14, 2014 4:12 PM  

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Gentile elite are casting about for a new home as well.

Didn't the Bush family buy a huge ranch in South America not all that long ago?

Anonymous 11B January 14, 2014 4:22 PM  

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Gentile elite are casting about for a new home as well.

Didn't the Bush family buy a huge ranch in South America not all that long ago?

I don't get it. Our current policies are pushing us towards a South American style nation. We aren't there yet. We are on our way, but we aren't there yet. It seems to me it would be easier if they came to their senses and started to enact policies that would roll back what has occurred. You could move to shut down immigration as an appeal to the working class. Even Jim Cramer is now openly questioning free trade and immigration with our employment situation. Then you could also set up funding to repatriate people.

Anonymous Athor Pel January 14, 2014 4:27 PM  

" ZhukovG January 14, 2014 3:47 PM

So, it sounds like some of the Jewish elite think that the US empire is about to implode spectacularly. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Gentile elite are casting about for a new home as well."



You're thinking about this all wrong. The elite don't change houses like we do, they just stop showing up at certain houses until conditions improve.

The people with global influence don't have allegiances like the rest of us. Some of them actually think the earth belongs to them to do with as they will, that includes you and me and all the rest of the peons reading this.

Anonymous Josh January 14, 2014 4:30 PM  

Paraguay in a spin about Bush's alleged 100,000 acre hideaway

Anonymous 11B January 14, 2014 4:32 PM  

Civilizations fail when they become despondent, when they lose confidence in their history and their future, when their citizens cease to feel pride in and draw inspiration from their culture. Somehow, for thousands of years, Jews and Chinese kept their confidence in their civilization and preserved it through war and foreign conquest. Surely that helps explain their present success.

I am sure those who read this blog will find that statement somewhat ironic and cruel, especially coming from Mr. Goldman. Maybe another reason for a civilization's success is its ability o prevent other civilizations from drawing pride and inspiration from their past.

OpenID cailcorishev January 14, 2014 4:41 PM  

Our current policies are pushing us towards a South American style nation. We aren't there yet.

But that's what people like the Bush family want. They go visit their elite friends in Latin America and think life looks awesome there. Making the USA more like those places is progress to them; why would they want to roll that back?

Anonymous Eric Ashley January 14, 2014 5:58 PM  

As a member of the Rich Cosmopolitan Elite, you have basically two choices: 1. You can abuse the peons, and establish yourself as overlords. It has the pleasure of being simple, not hard work, and it allows the great pleasure of denigrating everyone you don't like. Also, the other members of the RCE are not going to come after you with knives. 2. You can create a greater vision of a better future for your society, which probably means a better future for all, but this is intellectually hard, its requires a daring spirit which is the opposite of Mandarinism, your other RCE members will hate you, and even if you succeed, there is a good chance you totally rearrange who is in charge, thus having to put up with nouveau riche clowns, and that's if you're lucky and you succeed.

However, if you are one of those phenomenal individuals the rewards available are stellar. Think...Henry Ford sized rewards. Fame, glory, power to rebuild society in your design, and enough cash to buy Texas, or at least Oregon.

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum January 14, 2014 6:04 PM  

I'd be surprised if China doesn't break apart into several smaller nations before this century is done.

"Chinese" is a misnomer.

The Han are the dominate group at the moment, but that could change.

The Uyghur (pronounced "weeger") people in the western parts of China wouldn't mind having their own state, and the Muslims in that region. I wouldn't be surprised to see a "Chinese Beslan" before we see one in America perpetrated by Uyghur Muslims.

China also has Mongolian Chinese, who wouldn't mind breaking the entire northern portion of China off and joining up with Mongolia.

There's Tibetan Chinese who, by all rights, should have a state of their own between China and India.

Not to mention all the different dialects of "Chinese" that exist. There's Mandarin Chinese which is dominate, but there's also Yue (Cantonese), Kejia (Hakka) along with numerous others.

China is an artificial state that's going to fall apart like the USSR did sooner or later.

China's environmental policies are also insane, and have probably doomed future generations to starvation, or force China to one-day become a net-importer of food, Its one-child policy has doomed it to future social instability.

If I were a betting man, I wouldn't throw my lot in with China.

China is a nation that is in desperate need of the Gospel. I would say even more so than even Ancient Roman was.

OpenID simplytimothy January 14, 2014 6:39 PM  


The Uyghur (pronounced "weeger")

Oy-vey

Anonymous Idle Spectator January 14, 2014 6:59 PM  

It is amusing you posted this.
I was reading it and going "you know, Vox should post this article, he was just alluding to these themes."


This quote is from the Ugly Bitch thread, but that is getting kind of dated outside of meatspace and fits here too:

THEN almost all Jewesses must be involved in prostitution in order for your assertion to have any predictive value.

That does not follow. My assertion is that, like cultivating the patronage of the ruling classes and enforcing a ferocious tribalism, Jewish women essentially being pimped out by their own people, as in the case of Abraham, Sarah and Pharaoh, or Mordecai, Esther and Xerxes (or whomever) is possibly another aspect of what MacDonald calls the Jewish "group evolutionary strategy".


A good one is James Lipton from Inside the Actors Studio. He ran had a brothel arrangement in 1950s France. Jewish mother (née Weinberg). Look it up.

It is interesting though. I was quite shocked the number of Jews involved in pornography (including Barry Sonnenfeld from Men in Black and Raising Arizona fame) and working as strippers.

Paraguay in a spin about Bush's alleged 100,000 acre hideaway

Interesting how things change. Paraguay was almost permanently wiped off the map in the Paraguayan War or War of the Triple Alliance. One estimate places total Paraguayan losses—through both war and disease—as high as 1.2 million people, or 90% of its pre-war population. A different estimate places Paraguayan deaths at approximately 300,000 people out of its 500,000 to 525,000 pre-war inhabitants. According to Steven Pinker, the war resulted in the deaths of more than 60% of the population of Paraguay, making it proportionally the most destructive war in modern times.

And one war few have ever heard of.

Anonymous Roundtine January 14, 2014 8:24 PM  

Chinese people like intelligence. They think the Jews are very clever and say that openly. They basically view intelligence in Jews the way we might view speed in an African wide receiver. Even in PC America, you can get away with praising the speed of athletes, but if you talked about Jewish intelligence the way Chinese talk about it, you'd be called anti-Semitic.

Since the Chinese are working on collecting DNA from all the world's geniuses to find out where the genes for intelligence lie (or which ones interact in such a way as to create higher intelligence), I have no doubt they'd like to have many Jews come to China so they could inspect their brains.

China is large enough to take on a few small minorities, since they are well over 90% Han. However, if Jews move to China they will be exterminated. Not by the gas chamber, but by intermarriage or maybe mass rape when one of the anti-foreigner campaigns fires up again. No minority survives in China unless it is on a minority reservation. Jews have no claim to territory and Chinese nationalism will not allow for a new foreign concession.

Blogger tz January 14, 2014 9:16 PM  

Perhaps the Chinese want to unload the US "assets" on a greater fool.

Anonymous scoobius dubious January 14, 2014 9:22 PM  

[chuckles, stays out of this]

Blogger serge January 14, 2014 9:48 PM  

Most Americans don't think Hitler's complaints about Jews were/sounded mad; most Americans couldn't accurately tell you what Hitlers'c complaints were. Most Americans have been led to think of Hitler as something akin to Satan and so have never even considered anything he believed, much in the same way my dogs don't consider what it would be like to eat the food off my plate on the dinner table. Left of certain point far to the right of the bell curve the mention of "Hitler/Nazi" shuts down any thought process and replaces it mentally with police lights and screaming sirens.

Blogger bobn January 14, 2014 10:10 PM  

The USA expelled over one million Mexicans without violence in Operation Wetback.

Ah yes: the good old days!

Blogger IM2L844 January 14, 2014 11:02 PM  

[chuckles, stays out of this]

I would have thought this was right up your alley. Must be saving yourself for the next Scalzi lambasting.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 14, 2014 11:27 PM  

It's awesome and wonderful to watch. Truly no other race is like the Jews. Nobody else could have survived two thousand years of sojourning in style, as they have, and they are stronger than ever, and now leaping into a greater adventure than ever before.

The Chinese are not just another host, or even just another big player that can serve as a superior host. The Chinese are the biggest player in the history of Man. And they have no defenses.

This is going to be magnificent.

I hope the Jews and the Chinese will be very happy together. It might be like the Jews and the Palestinians, on a bigger scale.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 14, 2014 11:32 PM  

serge January 14, 2014 9:48 PM, exactly.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 15, 2014 12:12 AM  

11B: "Maybe another reason for a civilization's success is its ability o prevent other civilizations from drawing pride and inspiration from their past."

The Chinese will find out about that later. I'm just so happy it won't be happening to us whites this time.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 15, 2014 12:20 AM  

VD: "Well, the good news is Israel."

I'd feel sorry for the Palestinians, but they never feel sorry for us.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 15, 2014 12:32 AM  

Roundtine: "Chinese people like intelligence. They think the Jews are very clever and say that openly."

How right they are.

If the Chinese think that 5pts or so of higher intelligence compared to whites is going to protect them, they will find out differently. They have already absorbed Communism, which is proof positive that they can be mentally dominated by Jewish ideas and movements.

Roundtine: "Jews have no claim to territory and Chinese nationalism will not allow for a new foreign concession."

Claims are words. Do you think the Jews can come up with some words?

And "foreign" will become irrelevant. The Jews are as Chinese as the Han. More so! Just as the Jews are as American as white Christians. More so. You don't think so? What are you, an antisemite? A naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews? That can be a career-killer and a ticket to social pariah-dom in China as it is in white countries. It's just a question of who defines your culture and how aggressive and talented they are.

Anonymous Anonymous January 15, 2014 1:00 AM  

What an article. One Jew writes an article admiring the Chinese and all the Jews are off - leaving America behind - Shanghai bound, heading to the new power, marrying their intelligent and attractive women, raising a new breed of Chinese Super Jew - asthe whole country will soon be safely in their hands. How absurd. No Jews are moving to China. Jews are not even having children in the US, there will be no one to move. Jews will have no particular influence in in the US in 50 years. Most Jews now live in Israel and it aint going anywhere. It might just be getting bigger. The The Jews will come from there and they wont be court Jews, they wont be begging for their 'rights'. The Ashkenazi among them will have IQs at levels way above the Chinese and the Whites. And they will succeed. Each day they succeed. Each Facebook day, each Google day, each Yellin Day, the money flows to their brains which have been designed to out think you and a body which is designed to outfight you. You have lost to the mystic metallic clang of Zion. Listen to it. It is harsh. ANd It is defeating you. The noise of the mystic metallic clang - that clang that shall defeat you.

Anonymous Pat Hannagan January 15, 2014 1:28 AM  

Each Facebook day, each Google day, each Yellin Day, the money flows to their brains which have been designed to out think you and a body which is designed to outfight you. You have lost to the mystic metallic clang of Zion. Listen to it. It is harsh. ANd It is defeating you. The noise of the mystic metallic clang - that clang that shall defeat you.

Fantastic!

Get it on, bang the gong, get it on!

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 15, 2014 2:21 AM  

There's been much sorry navel-gazing about the inner corruption and evil of the whites, our inability to generate loyal elites, or inability to be loyal to each other, our tendency to succumb to cultural corruption and so on.

Amazing coincidence! The Han Chinese are going to turn out to have all the same evils latent within them.

That's why the Han Chinese are going to need non-Han leadership, especially cultural, academic and financial leadership, to protect them from their own filthy, despicable wickedness and (anticipating slightly the content of future Chinese school-books) from the inner void that comes from them lacking any civilized history worth being proud of. Oh, and from their being too racially homogeneous, that has to be fixed too.

There will be a people who will have a deep sense of the injustice of the situation, where China is so heavily dominated by the Han. It's these people who will give hope to all the unjustly treated minorities, whether native or imported, that things will get better in China.

Naturally the government will be sponsoring the educational institutions created by these loving people, and suppressing antisemitism. That's why the typically Chinese waves of antisemitism will pass, and Jews will have an important role to play in reforming China.

The antisemitism in the Han Chinese will come out, at first, because at this point in time China has not yet learned to be multicultural. It's a huge transformation, and Jews are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. China is not going to be the monolithic societies that they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the center of that. It's a huge transformation for China to make; they will be going into a multicultural mode, and Jews will be resented because of their leading role. But without that leading role, and without that transformation, China will not survive.

Anonymous Pat Hannagan January 15, 2014 3:34 AM  

Bravo, TDT.

Here's to the Han. Such a sad song.

But, look on the bright side. Pretty soon they'll be able to write something similar.

Anonymous Pat Hannagan January 15, 2014 3:52 AM  

Chinese Businessman Looking to Buy NYT: I’m Just as Smart as Jews

What's intelligence got to do with it?

I don't know, all this IQ, and none of the nepotism. What's the point? Vae Victis.

Blogger Hermit January 15, 2014 5:21 AM  

WRT Hitler, I found this a few months back, TL;DR version: Hitler is flirting with Ava Braun, turns out he's human and not some demonic monster.

I've noticed over time more people have stopped thinking of him as an inhuman monster, capable only of evil, bent on destruction, and started realizing he was a human with sometimes understandable motivations, despite the evil he did perpetrate. There may have been a more moral way to rid Germany of it's Jewish infestation, but it certainly proved effective.

Anonymous Anonymous January 15, 2014 7:27 AM  

old white guy says. W T F is this constant hatred for the Jews? if Jews were a species of bird they would be considered an endangered species. imagine less than 15 million Jews in a world populated by over 7 billion people and the world is supposedly terrified of Jews. there is a serious disconnect here. some very small minds that think they are superior and others are inferior.

Anonymous VD January 15, 2014 7:40 AM  

W T F is this constant hatred for the Jews?

I imagine the reliable repetition of the financial devastation of the countries in which they happen to reside might have something to do with it. I mean, the USA is about to be inflicted with a Zambian-born Jew and Israeli citizen who was the head of Israel's central bank as the Vice-Chairman of the Federal Reserve.

Assuming Stanley Fischer does half the number on the American economy and labor force as Greenspan and Bernanke did, do you think this will further endear the Jewish people to the American people? If you lose your job, then watch as Jewish bankers pay themselves billions from taxpayer-funded bailouts, and turn on your TV to watch Jewish actors denigrating your faith and your culture on Jewish owned networks, how long will you go unemployed before you conclude that both you and your countrymen would be better off without them?

Anonymous Direita January 15, 2014 8:34 AM  

[b]There is nowhere to go for Jews or other Whites. [Rest assured, Jews are Whiter than White. They are merely a faction of Whites. They are not non-White. Technically Ashkenazi Jews are ME Women and Italian Men, if DNA analysis has been correct.][/b]






Jews are not even close to white.
Jews are about 30% European and 70% middle eastern.


They are Semitic and Middle Eastern, they are not white. If they are white, then so are Arabs and Turks.

And by the way, they don't look white. The distinct Middle Eastern features like the big lips and the hooked noses and darker hair is evident in most Jews.

Anonymous Direita January 15, 2014 8:35 AM  

There is nowhere to go for Jews or other Whites. [Rest assured, Jews are Whiter than White. They are merely a faction of Whites. They are not non-White. Technically Ashkenazi Jews are ME Women and Italian Men, if DNA analysis has been correct.]






Jews are not even close to white.
Jews are about 30% European and 70% middle eastern.


They are Semitic and Middle Eastern, they are not white. If they are white, then so are Arabs and Turks.

And by the way, they don't look white. The distinct Middle Eastern features like the big lips and the hooked noses and darker hair is evident in most Jews.

Anonymous Pure Lulz January 15, 2014 2:13 PM  

And, of course, Whiskey is here...

Anonymous meh January 20, 2014 9:50 PM  

"2) This guy's obsession with "unification" and "universalism" is rather troubling."

Goldman was a LaRouchie.

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