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Saturday, January 11, 2014

What happened to "never again"?

The Learned Elders of Wye had better speed up their exit plans if they're going to continue to perpetrate materially traitorous idiocies such as this:
President Obama plans to nominate three people to the Federal Reserve’s Board of Governors, including Stanley Fischer, former head of the Bank of Israel, as the Fed’s next vice chairman, the White House said on Friday.... Mr. Fischer, 70, would succeed Ms. Yellen in her current role. The Senate confirmed Ms. Yellen as the Fed’s new chairwoman this week. She will take over from the current chairman, Ben S. Bernanke, in February. ...

More importantly for Israel, Stanley Fischer won an appointment to the Reagan administration's U.S.-Israel Joint Economic Discussion Group that dealt with Israel's 1984-1985 economic crisis. ... The U.S.-Israel Joint Economic Discussion Group fundamentally transformed U.S. aid to Israel forever.  Before the Reagan administration, most U.S. aid to Israel took the form of loans that had to be repaid with interest.  After the input of Fischer's team, subsequent U.S. aid was delivered in the form of outright grants paid directly from the U.S. Treasury—never to be repaid or conditioned when Israel took actions the U.S. opposed.
Can you even imagine the widespread outrage if Haruhiko Kuroda of the Bank of Japan was appointed to the Fed and he promptly began sending billions of dollars to Japan? Or if Zhou Xiaochuan of the People's Bank of China was named vice chairman and he subsequently began repaying US debt to China in gold and advanced weapons technology? Now keep in mind that Stanley Fischer is already guilty of literally giving billions to Israel!

It's long past time for the USA to take two immediate measures. First, shut down all financial aid to Israel. The USA is bankrupt. So is the Federal Reserve, if its newly expanded balance sheet was marked properly to market. If Israeli citizens are convinced that inflation is good for the economy and they want to print money, well and good, but let them print shekels, not U.S. dollars.

Second, ban all dual citizenships. There is no such thing as a "dual loyalty". It's very clear that Stanley Fischer has no loyalty to the USA. His loyalty is to Israel. That's perfectly clear. It's even admirable. Would that his American counterparts felt so strongly about serving their own country. But it also means that he has no more place in a decision-making capacity for the US monetary system than Christine Lagard or Mario Draghi.

Now, let's preemptively deal with the usual reaction. Are you tempted to call my position antisemitic? That's not merely incorrect, that's totally insane. Do you truly not see where this is leading? For the love of the God of Old Testament and New, the reason I'm speaking out against this is precisely because I don't wish to see an American holocaust. I don't want the children of my Jewish friends being made the scapegoat in reaction to the dreadful behavior of an insatiable, unconscionable elite. What is sickening, what is ominous, what is materially antisemitic is what the federal government has done by permitting Greenspan, Bernanke, Yellen, and Fischer to financially rape the American people.

This is all astonishingly short-sighted on the part of the Elders of Wye. Setting aside whether they can reasonably hope to successfully transfer their traveling game of three-card monte to China or India, even a bankrupt, post-collapse America will be filled with hundreds of millions of the same people who conquered the world in the 20th century, more or less without trying. And they are going to be very, very angry. They are going to be even more full of hate than the 20th century Germans were, because they are going to feel deeply betrayed. If an unfair post-war peace settlement created a sense of national fury, how much more anger will the bankruptcy and collapse of the union provoke?

In fact, having grown up in an End Times-conscious church, I can recall the eschatological enthusiasts discussing whether the King of the North was the Soviet Union or a united Europe. They often cited this passage from Jeremiah:

Behold, a people shall come from the north,
And a great nation and many kings
Shall be raised up from the ends of the earth.
They shall hold the bow and the lance;
They are cruel and shall not show mercy.
Their voice shall roar like the sea;
They shall ride on horses,
Set in array, like a man for the battle,
Against you, O daughter of Babylon.
The king of Babylon has heard the report about them,
And his hands grow feeble;
Anguish has taken hold of him,
Pangs as of a woman in childbirth..."(Jeremiah 50:41-43)

And yet, when I look at the events of recent years, it increasingly looks as if the most powerful nation that is the most likely to bear a tremendous populist grudge against Israel in the 21st century will be the United States of America.

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128 Comments:

Anonymous Salt January 11, 2014 9:39 AM  

Makes me think the more so that we have a Kenyan president.

Blogger Krul January 11, 2014 9:43 AM  

They shall hold the bow and the lance...
They shall ride on horses


My initial reaction is to guess this was fulfilled in ancient times.

Unless... the US economic collapse is so bad that we actually invade Israel with bows and lances on horseback. I guess we would be transporting our troops in sailing ships. Could it even be done?

I'd say it's about as plausible as a Japanese invasion of the East Coast in WWII.

Anonymous zen0 January 11, 2014 9:47 AM  

Interesting. There was some character writing on the internet a few years about the U.S. being one of the main players in the war of Gog-Magog. I think it was Magog.

Also, ZH reported that Mein Kamph has become a #3 bestseller in iTunes’ category "Politics and Current Events" .

Anonymous Bobo January 11, 2014 9:51 AM  

1) There seems to be only about 73 of us here in the US that actually know what's going on, the rest will blame the negros, the white trash, the mexicans, the Broncos fans...anyone but the Elders. That's the way the charade is set up...

2) Are we antisemitic if they're not really Jews?

http://www.khouse.org/articles/2010/920/

(Sorry, on my current screen I can't hyperlink)

Anonymous Hunsdon January 11, 2014 9:51 AM  

Our host said that "it increasingly looks as if the most powerful nation that is the most likely to bear a tremendous populist grudge against Israel in the 21st century will be the United States of America."

Hunsdon said: And for no reason at all!

Blogger njartist January 11, 2014 9:52 AM  

If the tribute we pay to the Muslims is called Jizya, What is the tribute we are paying to Israel called? (There are a few Hebrew words in the Old Testament which translate into tribute: one refers to forced laborers; and the other refers to payment in money.)
It is not anti-Semitic to be antagonistic to paying tribute to Israel.

Anonymous Salt January 11, 2014 9:53 AM  

"shall come from the north" is problematic as to looking at the US. Also, as to fulfillment in ancient times, "from the ends of the earth", if seen as truly being remote, only in recent times is there nowhere that could not advance upon Israel.

Anonymous aero January 11, 2014 10:05 AM  

Written for the state of art weapons and transportation of the time. so people could understand.

Anonymous Orville January 11, 2014 10:07 AM  

I don't buy the Gog/USA theory, but certainly Israel is becoming a burdensome stone to everyone.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein January 11, 2014 10:09 AM  

Dual loyalty would be an improvement!
-----Joseph Sobran

Anonymous TLM January 11, 2014 10:12 AM  

3 things Vox;

1. Give them jews credit for turning their natural enemies, christians, into lapdog 'Israel is awesome" cheerleading pussies with no clue as to the historical animosity that exists between the two, for good reason.

2. Oliver Stone is crazy, but in Wall Street #2, Money never Sleeps, he perfectly caricatured the jew bankers coming to the feet of Gordon Gecko after they bleed the fed dry.

3. John Hagee will not be pleased with this post.

Anonymous JW January 11, 2014 10:16 AM  

"Shall come from the north"

Canada?

Blogger sconzey January 11, 2014 10:17 AM  

I believed that the US frowned upon dual citizenship and demanded naturalised citizens to renounce any other citizenships they may hold (whether that renunciation is recognised by that other country is another matter, the Crown holds that a subject of Her Majesty may never renounce British citizenship).

However, it seems the situation is more complex:
Based on the U.S. Department of State regulation on dual citizenship (7 FAM 1162), the Supreme Court of the United States has stated that dual citizenship is a "status long recognized in the law" and that "a person may have and exercise rights of nationality in two countries and be subject to the responsibilities of both. The mere fact he asserts the rights of one citizenship does not without more mean that he renounces the other", (Kawakita v. U.S., 343 U.S. 717) (1952). In Schneider v. Rusk 377 U.S. 163 (1964), the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a naturalized U.S. citizen has the right to return to his native country and to resume his former citizenship, and also to remain a U.S. citizen even if he never returns to the United States.

OpenID luagha January 11, 2014 10:27 AM  

Some, but not all, of the aid to Israel is locked up in the Camp David Accords, where we are paying Egypt, Israel, the Palestinians, and Jordan in perpetuity to keep the peace. If we stop paying, the Camp David accords fail, and who knows what happens. (Most of this treaty-bound aid comes right back to the American mmilitary-industrial complex as they buy our weapons systems and support for those weapons systems, tying them to us and giving us a broader base for our materials.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_David_Accords#Framework_for_Peace_in_the_Middle_East

This was a big thing with the deposed Egyptian President Morsi, who was starting to allow cross-border attacks in the Sinai and making noises about abandoning the Camp David Accords. If he did so; if he sufficiently abandoned the treaty to the point that the US couldn't ignore it any more, then no more money for Egypt, no more money for Israel. Those billions are damn critical to the Egyptian military, considering their economic state, and were certainly a strong reason for their deposing Morsi.

I'm all for cutting budgets and making others stand on their own. We need to spend less here and spend less there. We do have to remember that the idea of 'foreign aid' is to put golden handcuffs on others. To make them dependent. You can't buy love, but you can buy dependence and you can make it so the smartest short-term activity is currying your favor to get more aid; as opposed to doing what you have to do long-term.

As for Gog and Magog, my readings on the subject have indicated the interesting idea that the US is not mentioned, while certain middle-eastern countries and the Russians are specifically mentions while other middle-eastern countries, interestingly, are not. This means that the US will stay out of any such conflict, taking neither side... and given what we know about the dithering attitudes of Obama, could quite set the stage.

Anonymous the woodsman January 11, 2014 10:30 AM  

"I don't want the children of my Jewish friends being made the scapegoat in reaction to the dreadful behavior of an insatiable, unconscionable elite".....NAJALT! lolololol

I am sick of the Jews' bullshit. Another Inquisition type event is coming. If I had my way White's wouldn't be "inquiring" - we would either force each Jew to "immigrate" to Israel or die by execution. Of course this won't happen until the traitorous Whites are either completely miscegenated or murdered by the cultural enrichers. I won't live long enough to witness these glorious events, but they will come to pass. I pray that the job is completed.

Anonymous Samuel Scott January 11, 2014 10:31 AM  

Just for the record, 74% of U.S. aid must be spent on purchases from U.S. defense companies. It's more of a government subsidy to those companies than aid to Israel.

The United States is definitely not just giving Israel a blank check and saying, "Hey, spend this however you want!"

Blogger Just Mark January 11, 2014 10:34 AM  

As usual I'm a bit confused.

1. We are bankrupt. So what if we are a bit more bankrupt. It's sort of like saying the flood is going to get worse when your house is 10 feet under.

2. We aren't giving them "money" we're giving them currency. Big Difference. Money as I understand it has to have characteristics of a commodity. Currency is merely a medium of exchange further, it's all just electrons on a computer somewhere.

3. If we are going to quote scripture then perhaps it would be fitting to be mindful of Gen 12:3 "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you". To those who want to go play Pharaoh or Hammond or Hitler for that matter ... Good luck at the great white throne.

Anonymous Bobo January 11, 2014 10:42 AM  

Just Mark:
"3. If we are going to quote scripture then perhaps it would be fitting to be mindful of Gen 12:3 "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you". To those who want to go play Pharaoh or Hammond or Hitler for that matter ... Good luck at the great white throne."

Might want to check my link, above...

Anonymous Heaviside January 11, 2014 10:47 AM  

This time we will finish the job.

Anonymous Will Best January 11, 2014 10:52 AM  

Providing foreign aid when we are both not heavily engaged in military campaigns against a common enemy seems treasonous to me. At best its just about securing rights for corporate interests, who should be paying the bribe themselves if it were actually profitable to do so.

At some level it is kind of hard to care about this. There is so much other corruption going on that this particular brand doesn't really phase anybody. Besides what we learned from Obama is the bottom 80% can't follow more than one scandal at a time. And right now everybody in the country is apparently focused on traffic in New Jersey.

Anonymous aero January 11, 2014 10:53 AM  

Hitler is alive. The poles are reversing so the south is actually the north. Argentina

Anonymous YIH January 11, 2014 10:54 AM  

From Sailer:
"So, likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others, which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill will, and a disposition to retaliate in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld; and it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation) facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country without odium, sometimes even with popularity, gilding with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation….
"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy, to be useful, must be impartial, else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people to surrender their interests."
– George Washington’s Farewell Address
Or as AIPAC and the ADL would say ''Oy vey! What a doity, filthy, anti-semitic goyim! *spit*''
Reason #15,389 why anti-semitism is on the rise

Anonymous The other skeptic January 11, 2014 10:55 AM  

Just for the record, 74% of U.S. aid must be spent on purchases from U.S. defense companies. It's more of a government subsidy to those companies than aid to Israel.

I'm happy to vote against the interests of those defense companies ... Let's cut the aid!

Anonymous aero January 11, 2014 10:58 AM  

Where s the current pope from?

Anonymous wcu January 11, 2014 10:58 AM  

Does Romans 9-11 help explain this "blindness" the jews have concerning their actions towards other countries as well? Serious question for the ilk.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 11, 2014 11:02 AM  

It is a continuing wonder that non-Jews feel the need to attribute the winning policies of their superiors to stupidity, absent-mindedness or anything else except well-directed will.

The next most amazing thing his how these helpless advisers cultivate fantasies of how the Jews are in danger; putting themselves in the fantasy position of innocent and endangered Jews and the "endangered" Jewish people as a whole, and in that switch of viewpoints forgetting who they are, what the interests of their own people are, and what their responsibilities are and what their concerns ought to be. (Or if their own interests are perfectly secure, still forgetting the viewpoints and interests of everybody else but the Jews.)

Suppose you just trust that the God of the Jews knows what he's about, and so do His children?

No matter what we do or don't do, in ten thousand years they'll be riding chariots over the necks of some simple, guileless "nations". (If not us, then someone else, as the Palestinians are discovering. I just hope it's someone else, because we can't take many more hits like this.) Worrying about the future of the Jews or having fantasies that they might be hurt (whether those fantasies are tender and loving or hostile) is like worrying about the future of Alpha Centauri.

The Jewish people are the apex predators of the world. And see: we whites are perishing, though we filled the Earth with wonders.

There are only two possible outcomes from our encounter with the Great Selector of Planet Earth: against all odds we somehow survive this time (but maybe not next time), or we don't.

Anonymous YIH January 11, 2014 11:02 AM  

Whiskey to come and spew hasbara in 5,4,3,2,1...

Blogger Random January 11, 2014 11:12 AM  

If we are going to quote scripture then perhaps it would be fitting to be mindful of Gen 12:3 "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you".

For the hundredth time, this promise in no way applies to the secular nation state of Israel, nor does it apply to any 'practicing' Jew now that the new covenant fulfilled the old.

Christians are the new Israel, those promises are now ours.

Anonymous VD January 11, 2014 11:17 AM  

NAJALT! lolololol

It is as stupid to say NAJALT and pretend that all Jews are guilty for the actions of the elite Jews as it is for the hear-no, see-no, speak-no-evil types to say "it's the JOOOOS" and pretend that an elite and predominantly Jewish cabal in New York City and Washington DC is not financially raping the nation.

If we are going to quote scripture then perhaps it would be fitting to be mindful of Gen 12:3 "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you".

How is warning people that their actions are putting them in danger cursing them? If I see a dog or cat walking on the road, I'll stop and chase it off so it doesn't get hit by a car. Would you seriously suggest we should do less for human beings simply because they are Jews?

Just for the record, 74% of U.S. aid must be spent on purchases from U.S. defense companies. It's more of a government subsidy to those companies than aid to Israel.

We know. It needs to be stopped on both counts. But mostly because no foreign aid should be paid to any country, especially not a country with citizens in our government and central bank. That is naked political corruption.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 11, 2014 11:22 AM  

"Can you even imagine the widespread outrage if Haruhiko Kuroda of the Bank of Japan was appointed to the Fed and he promptly began sending billions of dollars to Japan?"

The Japanese are not God's only people according to Judeo-Christian religion, and they do not control the culture, mass media, demography and institutions of the white world. Nor do they look white, so that white people instinctively trust them and have no idea who influences them.

"Now, let's preemptively deal with the usual reaction. Are you tempted to call my position antisemitic?"

You are saying that the Jewish people should not have something they feel entitled to, and that they are taking from people that they are proving day by day are too trusting, too law-abiding and debt-paying, too lacking in ethnocentricity and aggression and too easily subverted to live. And you are disapproving of how Jews are acting, and how they have always acted and (as far as we can see by the light of history) how they will always act, even if you attribute that to unlikely inadvertence.

This is like a mouse objecting to the predations of the owls. Mr. Mouse may feel sad about what happened to Mrs. Mouse and all the little mice, but God has given the owls the victory when He made owls and mice what they are. Jews have been sneaking back into nations and cities they have been expelled from since their repeated expulsions from Rome and before. Do the foxes constantly try to sneak into the hen-house, or do you see hens endlessly sneaking into the lairs of foxes to feed? So who are the foxes and who are the hens in the relationship between whites and Jews? And which side do you think God is really on? The spiders? Or the flies? Objecting to the natural order is at best useless.

"Do you truly not see where this is leading?"

Bump, bump, bump, another one bites the dust! Bump, bump, bump, another one bites the dust! And another one down and another one gone: another one bites the dust! Hey! They're gonna get you too: another one bites the dust!

Post-musical interlude... I don't understand how you can not see where this is heading. Or why you take the viewpoint you do.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 11, 2014 11:26 AM  

"For the love of the God of Old Testament and New, the reason I'm speaking out against this is precisely because I don't wish to see an American holocaust."

That is completely impossible. Unless you are referring to a Zimbabwe-meets-Haiti scenario for the whites; that will be very hard to stop.

"I don't want the children of my Jewish friends being made the scapegoat..."

They won't be. Whites already are the scapegoats. The whole world blames "America" and imagines that America is white and ruled by whites in their own interest.

Every blow of revenge and hatred will fall upon the faces of white children born outnumbered due to the Hart-Celler Act, and God's people will be cheer-leading for white genocide all the way. When the last white child gets a Mandela-style "necklacing", Jewish media pundits will be saying that the need for such stern measures is a troubling reminder of the dark legacy of white racism, and Jewish comics will mock the last white's death-screams. After that, there will come endless re-writing of history to the ever-increasing detriment of whites: continuous aggression without end, even without a living victim. But that won't matter to us.

"Setting aside whether they can reasonably hope to successfully transfer their traveling game of three-card monte to China or India..."

History says they can. More to the point, the decision is made and the plans are in progress.

"...even a bankrupt, post-collapse America will be filled with hundreds of millions of the same people who conquered the world in the 20th century, more or less without trying."

No, the demographically dominant inhabitants of America will be non-whites and anti-whites. Emmanuel Celler planned well, and multitudes of equally foresightful Jews, far more forward-looking than whites, have been playing the same game with success for a century.

Seriously, stop worrying about the Jews as though you were Jewish and your people was in danger, and start worrying about the future of a people that's in actual danger.

Anonymous VD January 11, 2014 11:35 AM  

And you are disapproving of how Jews are acting, and how they have always acted and (as far as we can see by the light of history) how they will always act.

They haven't always acted that way. And they won't always act that way. But, if they don't knock it off and the USA turns on them like the Europeans have, there is a very good chance they'll be wiped out for good. Remember, Germany slaughtered six million while simultaneously outnumbered and fighting a two-front war. There are only three times that many Jews today, and a single Air Force general has the firepower to take out six million in an afternoon.

A simple analysis of military firepower and current geopolitics indicates that if there is another Holocaust, it would likely be the last one. Which makes the Armageddon scenario of the whole world on the verge of wiping out Israel seem plausible. It would require a Divine rescue. Nothing else would suffice.

I don't know. In any event, the banksters appear to be doubling down despite the fears of the Elders of Wye.

Anonymous Mavwreck January 11, 2014 11:40 AM  

It seems like bringing up anything even vaguely critical of Jews causes negative consequences. Either you get targeted by the anti-defamation types, or you draw out the extreme anti-Semitics and the conversation gets lost in the noise.

It's a shame...it would be nice to have an intelligent conversation about a controversial topic sometime.

Of course, it's not your fault, VD. I just know I wouldn't be able to put out an article like this. I wouldn't be able to spend the time working on a cogent blog post; I'd keep thinking it'd just earn me more flak than normal and not have much effect on people's opinions.

As for dual citizenship...I'd suggest something different. Dual citizenship for a private person ought to be fine. However, people taking public office or working for the government have to renounce the other citizenship. If you're supposedly working for the public interest, you need to get rid of any conflicts of interest.

Anonymous VD January 11, 2014 11:41 AM  

Seriously, stop worrying about the Jews as though you were Jewish and your people was in danger, and start worrying about the future of a people that's in actual danger.

You need to relax. First, you're not serious. If you were serious, you would be doing something about it, you wouldn't be worrying about it on a blog. Second, there are more whites alive today than there were in 1900.

In 1900 there were 66.8 million whites in the USA. In 2010, there were 223 million. Hardly a death spiral.

Anonymous bob k. mando January 11, 2014 11:47 AM  

VD January 11, 2014 11:35 AM
there is a very good chance they'll be wiped out for good.




no there isn't.


OT:
Obamacare going so well ... the primary contractor just got fired.
http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2014/01/10/the-curse-of-complexity/

Anonymous rienzi January 11, 2014 11:48 AM  

The Jewish population of Israel and the population of Norway are roughly equivalent.

If the entire media and academia were run by Norwegian-Americans, if the Fed, Treasury, and most of the large multi-national banks were run by Norwegian-Americans, if a huge proportion of senators, congressmen, presidential advisors, and one third of the Supreme Court were Norwegian-American, if we were constantly deluged with movies and tv programs about the occupation of Norway by the Nazis in WW2, if Norway's relations with the Swedes and Brits were the centerpiece of our foreign policy, if billions of dollars were shipped to Norway gratis each year, don't you think that you might be excused if you said "What the f**k?"

No! That would be bigoted anti-Nordic hate speech, and you ought to lose your job and be ostracized with a scarlet letter forever as the hating hater you are.

As for those who worry about God whacking those who beat up Abraham's progeny. If you have any ancestors who are from Europe or the Middle-East, it is practically impossible NOT to be a descendant of Abraham.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 11, 2014 11:49 AM  

VD: "You need to relax. First, you're not serious. If you were serious, you would be doing something about it, you wouldn't be worrying about it on a blog."

By that measure, I'm exactly as serious about white genocide as you are about a second Holocaust, and I am doing you the courtesy of taking you at your word for what you believe and are serious about.

Anonymous bob k. mando January 11, 2014 11:50 AM  

also, the nuclear ultimatum is amusing ... for all of the reasons that you didn't state.

Anonymous Papparatzenkrieg January 11, 2014 11:51 AM  

Dude, you killed Ariel Sharon.

Anonymous the woodsman January 11, 2014 11:53 AM  

I don't care about the children of the Jews and don't know why that would be my responsibility anyway. It sure seems to me a vast majority of the Jews support policies that result in White genocide and could give two shits about White children. MY children, and MY PEOPLE"S children, have been targeted for "elimination" by a treacherous elite dominated by Jews. Why should I worry about the children of a people who in general seem more than happy about the current situation. I would rather "six million Jews" died than even just one of MY PEOPLE'S children killed. Of course, I would rather all Jews move to their own homeland and "judaize" each other and just leave my people in peace.

Anonymous Billy January 11, 2014 11:56 AM  

America was basically a conservative country until the jews started gaining positions of influence in our institutions. Every liberal advancement has jewish fingerprints.
From the 1964 immigration act to roe vs wade. To Sigmund Freud anti Christian anti morality influence. Jewish Marxism or liberalism focus is to disrupt white bourgeoisie society. Jewish liberalism is the modern face of evil. The irony is that one cannot discuss this topic in polite society. One cannot addressee the cause of the problem without addressing jewish power and influence. They are the yeast that makes the dough rise in modern American liberalism.

Anonymous rienzi January 11, 2014 11:58 AM  

@Titus Didius Tacitus :Bump, bump, bump, another one bites the dust! Bump, bump, bump, another one bites the dust! And another one down and another one gone: another one bites the dust! Hey! They're gonna get you too: another one bites the dust!


I was unaware that Heinrich Himmler wrote lyrics for Freddy Mercury. Isn't the world an amazing place.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 11, 2014 12:03 PM  

rienzi: "I was unaware that Heinrich Himmler wrote lyrics for Freddy Mercury. Isn't the world an amazing place."

Thanks for the routine naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews smear. I was wondering when (not if) that would happen; now the other shoe has hit the floor.

Anonymous geckoMan January 11, 2014 12:03 PM  

...the nation that is the most likely ... will be the United States of America

As a Christian of 40+ years, I confess I've had the same suspicions for about 20 years now. I've only spoken of it to close friends, as few others in the church would take such a theory seriously.

As Billy Graham's wife once said, “If God doesn’t punish America, He’ll have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.”


Anonymous geckoMan January 11, 2014 12:05 PM  

Reference for above quote:

(http://billygraham.org/story/billy-graham-my-heart-aches-for-america/)

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 11, 2014 12:05 PM  

Billy: "They are the yeast that makes the dough rise in modern American liberalism."

Was that a reference to Jesus' forgotten parable of the rabbis' leaven?

Anonymous paradox January 11, 2014 12:05 PM  

Oh good grief, there is no way America will turn against the Jews. Southerners comprise the majority of the US military. The "Jews are the chosen people" dispensationalist mind virus will never leave the South.

The Confederacy scrapped the original design of our flag, a traditional Christian Cross, because Charleston Jews freaked out. The design was overtly Christian, and their feelings were hurt.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 11, 2014 12:09 PM  

What is sickening, what is ominous, what is materially antisemitic is what the federal government has done by permitting Greenspan, Bernanke, Yellen, and Fischer to financially rape the American people.

Isn't that as it has always been?

Anonymous VD January 11, 2014 12:13 PM  

By that measure, I'm exactly as serious about white genocide as you are about a second Holocaust, and I am doing you the courtesy of taking you at your word for what you believe and are serious about.

That's ridiculous. I'm not Jewish. More importantly, I'm also not declaring that it is taking place RIGHT NOW!

Your attempted equivalence is false. So is your alarmism. You overstate your case, which is why no one pays any attention to it.

Anonymous cheddarman January 11, 2014 12:14 PM  

Gen 12:3 "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you".

Are we blessing the Jews by subsidizing their rebellion against Jesus Christ? That is what we need to ask every pro-israel Christian.

sincerely

cheddarman

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 11, 2014 12:15 PM  

paradox: "Oh good grief, there is no way America will turn against the Jews. Southerners comprise the majority of the US military. The "Jews are the chosen people" dispensationalist mind virus will never leave the South."

Right.

Fantasizing about harm to the Jews is as pointless as fantasizing about harm to the Pleiades. Whether you fear it or wish it, it cannot happen, and in America it cannot be attempted. All effort to forestall or bring about an impossibility is wasted.

The live issue is the fate of us whites, and only that.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 11, 2014 12:26 PM  

Titus Didius Tacitus: "By that measure, I'm exactly as serious about white genocide as you are about a second Holocaust, and I am doing you the courtesy of taking you at your word for what you believe and are serious about."

VD: "That's ridiculous. I'm not Jewish. More importantly, I'm also not declaring that it is taking place RIGHT NOW!"

No, you're not talking about a demographic scenario that is happening right now, rather you are fantasizing about American nuclear bombers blowing up the Jews.

VD: "Your attempted equivalence is false. So is your alarmism. You overstate your case, which is why no one pays any attention to it."

Your whole post is full of alarmism and exaggerated, emotional language.

And the main problem with my case is not overstatement but that hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent to immunize people against it, and paint whites as villains who have it coming anyway.

If you think about it, that's not a reason why I should not be so concerned; things like that are part of why I should be very concerned.

Blogger Baloo January 11, 2014 12:28 PM  

Very nice. I've quoted from this and quibcagged one of your remarks.
Dual citizenship madness. Are we a suicidal country or what?

Blogger Jamie-R January 11, 2014 12:33 PM  

The problem, aside from those trying to still practice the insane nature of Judaism where law is the path to perfection ignoring our flaws like Christ highlighted, is that the USA's birth is tied to the Hebrews of Judea. America may go down as religion is buried in the West and only the Ishmaelites are left. But the Lord said his small minority would be protected. All the secrets of the greatest nightmares have been stolen from the most rational actors of gentile history, now it's a matter of what will happen next, and when.

Anonymous VD January 11, 2014 12:46 PM  

Your whole post is full of alarmism and exaggerated, emotional language.

Not at all. You're projecting. And you're trying to evade the point that you're a fraudulent blowhard who is doing absolutely nothing about what you claim is an ongoing genocide. Your equivalence is manifestly false and there is nothing you can do to make a warning about something that might happen in the future equivalent with your claims of ongoing genocide currently taking place.

Either go do something about it or moderate your idiot alarmism. There are real racial problems in the West. There is a real danger of various societies collapsing in the next 20 years. But claiming an ongoing white genocide is absolutely idiotic in light of the population demographics.

It's rather like people freaking out about Muslims in Europe. They're less than FIVE percent of the population.

Blogger LibertyPortraits January 11, 2014 12:46 PM  

The U.S. could also instantly raise a gigantic army if they pass a law that states military service will discharge student loans.

Blogger brian January 11, 2014 1:01 PM  

It all seems a bit overdone to me.

First, the only reason the middle east even exists today is because we paid Israel off to not flatten it.

Second, if there really was a supposed "white genocide" being engineered by the Jews, I'd say that the quadrupling of the number of white people in the US in 110 years would indicate that they are abject failures.

And if you think God even cares one lick about what's going on here, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Blogger brian January 11, 2014 1:05 PM  

And while you're debating the relative merits of Jews and Christians in positions of power in the money industry, the real charlatans (as noted in Bob's link above) are robbing us blind by getting us to pay them to fail over and over again.

Blogger Random January 11, 2014 1:08 PM  

Geckoman,

Mrs. Graham was paraphrasing (I assume unknowingly) a line from a 1991 article by Peter Kreeft

"But we do know this: if God spares New York, He will owe an apology to Sodom."

Anonymous LES January 11, 2014 1:12 PM  

Vox, by self-identifying as a Christian Zionist are you implying that you support every ethnic minority being deserving of autonomy and self-government? And if war is necessary to achieve those ends, then so be it? From your books I sense that you have more of an affinity for violence than I have.

Yes, Genesis 12:3 is a promise to Abram only, not to every Jew who ever lived.

Is the modern, secular state called Israel entitled to take all the land God promised Abram Genesis 15:18 "from the river in Egypt to the Euphrates river (in Iraq)"?

Anonymous Stilicho January 11, 2014 1:13 PM  

3. If we are going to quote scripture then perhaps it would be fitting to be mindful of Gen 12:3 "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you". To those who want to go play Pharaoh or Hammond or Hitler for that matter ... Good luck at the great white throne.

Hmmm.. leaving aside the distinctions between Israel and the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, I fail to see how opposing a Jewish elite abusing the U.S. banking and monetary system for the benefit of that same elite as well as the modern country of Israel and also to the detriment of the U.S. is cursing Israel. I also fail to see how opposing that same Jewish elite (in this case the same individual) abusing the U.S. political system to use the government to steal from Americans at gunpoint in order to give the proceeds of that theft to the Israeli government is cursing Israel. The Jews can and do do wrong in Gods eyes. Their governments most certainly do wrong on a fairly regular basis. Since the original post quoted Jeremiah, I'll ask you this question: did Jeremiah "curse Israel" in the sense you meant when he condemned Israel's actions? The point being, Israel is not above criticism and one does not fall afoul of God's wrath merely for opposing what the Jews may want, much less what a minority of Jewish elites may want.

Vox's warnings are more in the nature of saying that the whole barrel may be undeservedly thrown out due to a few bad apples at the top.

Anonymous VD January 11, 2014 1:18 PM  

Vox, by self-identifying as a Christian Zionist are you implying that you support every ethnic minority being deserving of autonomy and self-government? And if war is necessary to achieve those ends, then so be it?

Yes. Yes. This is why it is a huge mistake to welcome non-homogenous immigrants. They don't give up their right to autonomy and self-government by virtue of geographic translocation. I don't have an affinity for violence, but I do have one for logical consistency.

What you're failing to grasp is that the choice for violence is made long before most people even understand the choice is being made.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 11, 2014 1:25 PM  

VD: "Not at all. You're projecting. And you're trying to evade the point that you're a fraudulent blowhard who is doing absolutely nothing about what you claim is an ongoing genocide."

That's not a "point"; it's an empty personal accusation, without any logical reason why global, mass non-white immigration and pressure to assimilate does not lead to a post-white future.


VD, if less emotional picture-painting will help: of course I can't offer a prophecy of the fate of the last white child. But I can say from the amount of anti-white gloating and lack of sympathy now, and from Old Testament attitudes to the misfortunes of Israel's enemies that if we whites are dependent on Jewish sympathy for our future we're not going to have one.

Considering the extent of Jewish influence and power, and the weaknesses of our own nature, and the inexorable continuing effects of anti-white policies and shifting demographics, that's a bad place to be in.

I see no plausible reason to think that the future of the Jews is in question or could come into question.

The future of us whites is very much in question. From what I have read, the only successful model for us seems to be homelands that we keep for ourselves. And the people who dominate our cultures now hate that model.

They insist with success on mass non-white immigration, integration, anti-white biases in culture and law, and changes that undermine key institutions whites have survived through the millennia with, like exclusively heterosexual monogamous marriage. They seem to have no problem co-opting our elites, disabling popular dissatisfaction with their harmful and ultimately genocidal policies, and taking what they want from us.

As they see us fall, due to policies they are imposing, they do not back off, nor do they make preparations to back off if we should appease them in some way. What they want must happen, and their only concern for how this will play out is for themselves.

The opposition, as far as I can tell, consists of piffling numbers of people like me, and I can't match Haim Saban and Sheldon Adelson dollar for dollar. I've done what I can, which I will not go into, and given what I can (and if that's pathetic you should have seen what I could have afforded) and there's not much left to do except express my opinions from time to time, like anyone else, on a topic that concerns me.

The strong do what they can and the collectively suffer what they must, end of story. (Or rather I hope that's not the end of the story. But hopes are just hopes.)

If you want to worry about an endangered people, worry about us whites.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box January 11, 2014 1:31 PM  

They betrayed & delivered up to the Whore for murder their own Saviour, do you honestly think a debt-slave nation of "goyim" will fare any better?

Anonymous 11B January 11, 2014 1:31 PM  

Whiskey to come and spew hasbara in 5,4,3,2,1...

What I've noticed is that he either won't show up, or if he does, he will wait until nearly everyone has moved onto the next post, then he will comment knowing full well his will most likely be the last comment, thus giving him the "final" word.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 11, 2014 1:32 PM  

If things start going against them in DC I can well imagine the Israelis detonating a nuclear device on American soil and blaming it on the Iranians or the Pakistanis or that crazy Putin.

Anonymous VD January 11, 2014 1:36 PM  

I see no plausible reason to think that the future of the Jews is in question or could come into question.

I don't think much of your analytical skills. Simple math alone suffices to show that the future of the Jews is much less certain than the future of the white people. You're making the common mistake of thinking current trends will continue in the future. They don't. 100 years ago, intellectuals used to wring their hands about the probable extinction of the Negro.

I invite you to consider this another way. Your "outwhine the Jews" approach is so wildly ineffective that it even turns off me, an avowed supporter of the right of every people to self-defense, self-government, and ethnic solidarity, including White Europeans.

Not only that, but you, the self-declared defender of the white people, are spending your time here today attacking me, rather than those you claim to be committing genocide. How does that make sense? Do you think you're winning anyone over? Granted, I'm not entirely white, but I think you would be willing to grant that I am not a danger to your people.

I suggest you rethink your approach, because this one isn't working.

Blogger RobertT January 11, 2014 2:10 PM  

"...if its newly expanded balance sheet was marked properly to market."

My alma mater (so to speak) was the former biggest and best auditing firm in the world that Enron drug under for its complicity in Enron's slight of hand. Enron did a lot of things wrong, including not allowing auditors access to their general ledger, the thing that made all the headlines was the discovery that they did not include certain upside down transaction in their financial statements. If they had included these in the Balance Sheet, there would have been no Enron debacle because their financial condition would have been obvious. That is, of course, the responsibility of the auditors, so they faced death and destruction as well. And justly so.

But the point of this rambling post is - our government is playing the Enron card ...

... for exactly the same reason Enron did, to make their financial statements look better than they are actually are. The odd thing is, everyone knows it but they pretend they don't.

They should also book a long term liability for social security and Medicare payments according to actuarial tables. As has been said many times by lone voices crying in the wilderness, it would not be a pretty picture.

Anonymous bob k. mando January 11, 2014 2:35 PM  

Titus Didius Tacitus January 11, 2014 1:25 PM
I see no plausible reason to think that the future of the Jews is in question or could come into question.



the whole of the Old Testament is full of examples of the 'future of the Jews' seeming to be in question.

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter January 11, 2014 2:39 PM  

"If things start going against them in DC I can well imagine the Israelis detonating a nuclear device on American soil and blaming it on the Iranians or the Pakistanis or that crazy Putin."

That's crazy talk. Why the Pakistanis or Russia? Makes no sense.

Anonymous Discard January 11, 2014 2:46 PM  

The other skeptic: Rather than Israel sneaking a nuke onto American soil and blaming Iran, I'd rather we snuck a nuke into Wall Street and blamed Israel.

Anonymous Dan in Tx January 11, 2014 2:55 PM  

Vox: "You're making the common mistake of thinking current trends will continue in the future."

This! It seems sometimes that when the topic of demographics comes up, it gets discussed as though the trend is non reversible and will continue on it's current trajectory for ever.

As for the elitist Jews who are running this country into the ground by leaching it dry all I can say is that they may be enjoying the foolishness of the support of Christian Zios who think that our fates are tied to Israel right now. However, if that tide happens to turn, and history teaches us that these things can happen rather unexpectedly and much more quickly than those living at the time can imagine, there will be hell to pay. I'm thinking a global financial collapse as a very possible catalyst for such a thing.

Blogger OK January 11, 2014 3:05 PM  

The Jeremiah 50 passage most likely refers to the Mongol siege of Baghdad in 1258.

Blogger RobertW January 11, 2014 3:24 PM  

Vox, would it surprise you to know that there are American Jews who agree with your assessment?

Anonymous Discard January 11, 2014 3:28 PM  

Dan in Tex: Global financial collapse would certainly be a spur to scapegoating. Wouldn't it be fun if the scapegoats were also the guilty?

OpenID mattse001 January 11, 2014 3:35 PM  

Setting aside your outrage (OUTRAGE!!!) that Obama is planning to do this, a more interesting question is why is he planning to do this?
I find it unlikely that Obama has been co-opted by da Jooooos. I'm pretty sure he at least dislikes Israel, if he doesn't hate it.

Is there something about this person that is more relevant? Is he a socialist?

Blogger Rev. Right January 11, 2014 3:36 PM  

"If an unfair post-war peace settlement created a sense of national fury, how much more anger will the bankruptcy and collapse of the union provoke?"

If the American people can't muster up any anger at what has been done to them for the past 50 years, why would the logical culmination of this process result in anything but a whimper?

To have a sense of national outrage, the people have to first think of themselves as a nation. We are now an assemblage ideological, racial, and ethnic identities, many of whom would have no problem with such a betrayal.

The truth is, 90% of the American people have no idea who runs the Federal Reserve and that we borrow billions from China every year so that we can give it to Israel. And if they did hear of it it would be in a way that emphasized how essential and good this was, and anyone who questioned the wisdom of it would be forever ostracized as a Nazi.

A house divided and blind is not going to do anything when the roof falls in.

Blogger Just Mark January 11, 2014 3:39 PM  

@ Random

"For the hundredth time, this promise in no way applies to the secular nation state of Israel, nor does it apply to any 'practicing' Jew now that the new covenant fulfilled the old.

Christians are the new Israel, those promises are now ours."

I'd agree with you but then we'd both be wrong.

@ Chedderman As a Christian I'm of two minds. Should we back Israel to the hilt or should we step aside get a Big Gulp and some popcorn and watch what God does the next time the muzzies get their testosterone up and try to wipe it out. I wish they would Israel seriously needs the land and no offense intended God but I really think you should have blown the whistle and ended this foolish game already.

@ VD God will not allow the complete wiping out of Israel again. The eschotologists I've listened too do seem to believe that about 2/3rds of all Jews will be wiped out during the tribulation and a remnant will flee for Jordan. Another verse to be mindful of Ps 124:4 He who keeps Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps. If you're truly interested in the topic then read Lindsey or pick up some mp3s by Missler. They've done the research it seems sound and I'm too absent minded to be a good parrot.

Anonymous Dan in Tx January 11, 2014 3:40 PM  

Discard: "Wouldn't it be fun if the scapegoats were also the guilty?"

Karma

Anonymous Anonymous January 11, 2014 3:50 PM  

I'm going to tell everyone here: Jews are weak and powerless. Anybody who says otherwise had better watch the fuck out.

And yes, I stole this idea from Steve Sailer.

- Nobody

Anonymous Robb January 11, 2014 3:57 PM  

*Ahem*...

Anonymous Anonymous January 11, 2014 4:00 PM  

"Vox, would it surprise you to know that there are American Jews who agree with your assessment?"

Who? Where?

- Nobody

Anonymous Hunsdon January 11, 2014 4:09 PM  

Mavwreck said: Either you get targeted by the anti-defamation types, or you draw out the extreme anti-Semitics and the conversation gets lost in the noise.

Hunsdon quoted: Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.

Blogger Random January 11, 2014 4:36 PM  

I'd agree with you but then we'd both be wrong.

Don't think of it as disagreeing with me, it's disagreeing with close to 2000 years of history and authoritative scriptural interpretation.

But disagree all you like, it doesn't make the facts any less the facts.

Blogger Whiskey January 11, 2014 5:41 PM  

Vox, REAGAN was the guy behind the outright grant of money. Recall the 1980's. The Gipper wanted to nix any further Osirik raids on guys like Saddam, and recreate US hegemony over Lebanon without any Israeli interference. Hence, basically bribes or "Dollar Diplomacy" which goes back at least to TR. The US has a looonnnngggg history of bribing other nations to get its way.

Did it work? Seems to have done so. The US wanted things from Israel -- an end to pre-emptive strikes against Arab nations the US was negotiating with or dealing with, in terms of the Six Day War. Limited strikes were OK. This is entirely within US policy circa 1939 (Lend Lease) up through Bush 1 and the Cold War's end. Entangled relationships and patronage and partnerships and the like. Again, Mainstream from FDR at least through Reagan. And the birth of it dates to TR.

As far as dual citizenship, Mark Carney (Canadian head of BoE), and indeed the ENTIRE EU shows how the concept of the nation state is DEAD DEAD DEAD. It just is.

Along with Open Borders, trans-national elites (paging Mario Monti, Mario Monti) appointed by the EU to head nations like Italy, and more, Stanley Fischer is the wave of the future. An Israeli here, an Italian there, a German over there, that is the wave of the end of Nation-States and the emergence of transnational blocs and a global elite. All of whom go to the same few schools (Ivies and Oxbridge) and marry each other and hire each other and form a hereditary nobility like the Feudal aristocrats in the Middle Ages.

I don't like it. But elites are determined to erase the nation-state and create a global aristocracy and erase Whites from the face of the earth save themselves.

Anti-Semitism anyway is the province of Blacks and Muslims. Both of whom HATE HATE HATE Jews with the passion of low-IQ jealousy that is personified by Dieudoinnoe or however you spell his name. I say, let the guy be as widely seen as possible. What do you get when you have lots of Blacks and Muslims in your nation? Love of Hitler, that's what. Which is exactly why Hollande is trying to shut him up -- to preserve the Crystal Meth of religions, post-Christianity. Dieudionne is a giant brick through the fake window of the PC colors of Benetton. Strutting about with semi-Sig Heils, he is the future of non-White Europe. His fans are all Muslims or Blacks or women in Muslim headscarves. And believe me his fans have plans for other White people too.

I am not concerned about Stanley Fischer stoking anti-Semitism. He won't. Its already here among the Black/Muslim refuse of the Third World streaming into America (and Europe). [Jewish domination of the Fed is a feature of elite Jews being the only ones interested in Finance -- the WASP elites prefer bigger bucks and greater power amongst business: Buffett, Gates, Murdoch; or politics: Clinton, Gore, Hillary!, Warren, Kerry, etc. Oddly no one wants a career with guns and armed men: only lower class Whites seem to enter and keep a military career. Paging Master Sgt Samuel K Doe, Flight Lt. Jerry Rawlings has a call for you! Paging Master Sgt. Samuel K Doe!]

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami January 11, 2014 6:12 PM  

11B: "What I've noticed is that he either won't show up, or if he does, he will wait until nearly everyone has moved onto the next post, then he will comment knowing full well his will most likely be the last comment, thus giving him the "final" word."

LMAO

Blogger Outlaw X January 11, 2014 6:23 PM  

As Rabbi Kaduri Prophecy Unfolds!

Ariel Sharon dies

Anonymous RP January 11, 2014 6:28 PM  

Hysterical, much? US aid to Israel runs at around $3bn a year, which is a trivial sum by the standards of both economies. I'd eliminate all foreign aid to Israel and everywhere else, but if this is the best the elders of zion can do, they're doing a pretty poor job.

OpenID simplytimothy January 11, 2014 6:50 PM  

Random, that article you linked by Kreeft was a very good read.

The following paragraphs from that link sum up our situation today, imho.

Monarchy is not oppressive if the king and the people are working for a common goal under a common law and share a common dignity. But if the power elite, whether king, voting majority, or media elite, cease to believe in an objective Tao, as is clearly the case in our society, then they become Controllers, Conditioners, Social Engineers, and the patients become the controlled. Propaganda replaces propagation. Propagation is "old birds teaching young birds to fly." Propaganda is programming parrots. Propagation is the transmission of tradition. Propaganda is the invention of innovation. Which of the two is piped into our brains daily by our media?

This new class of Innovators, the Tao-less Conditioners, will themselves be motivated in their social engineering, but not by the Tao, which is supernatural and eternal, a "permanent thing." Instead, they will be motivated by their natural impulses, which are non-permanent things: their heredity and environment, especially their environment, especially the fashionable opinions. This means they will be motivated by Nature, not by "the permanent things," which are supernatural.

Blogger tz January 11, 2014 6:59 PM  

And you are disapproving of how Jews are acting, and how they have always acted and (as far as we can see by the light of history) how they will always act.

They haven't always acted that way. And they won't always act that way. But, if they don't knock it off and the USA turns on them like the Europeans have, there is a very good chance they'll be wiped out for good. Remember, Germany slaughtered six million while simultaneously outnumbered and fighting a two-front war. There are only three times that many Jews today, and a single Air Force general has the firepower to take out six million in an afternoon.


But I thought genetics were all that mattered and it would take 1000 years to return to civilization, either the Reich or the David kingdom.

Given the number of Hispanics here, it might be Brown Reich over White Reich. With sufficient Soy sauce.

Has no one else read the enumerated story of Baalam and Balak? Did the latter "bless" the jews by sending sluts? (AlphaGamePlan, biblical edition). Or was Phineas lost in a fog?

As long as the race war doesn't affect NASCAR...

Anonymous E. PERLINE January 11, 2014 7:58 PM  

Absolutely, the US should not make loans to Israel a form of gift. The problem is-- the US give "loans" to many nations as a form of gift. It looks bad to make exceptions. But we use borrowed money to make these "loans." Why do we still do this?

I think we do this to have a big say in their cooperation with us. Woe betide the nation that refuses the gifts of the rich uncle. .

Anonymous map January 11, 2014 8:12 PM  

Horrible story...

http://topconservativenews.com/2010/03/black-police-officers-organizing-gang-rapes-of-white-men-in-south-africa/

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 11, 2014 8:38 PM  

bob k. mando: "the whole of the Old Testament is full of examples of the 'future of the Jews' seeming to be in question."

But actually not being in question.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 11, 2014 8:39 PM  

Rev. Right: "A house divided and blind is not going to do anything when the roof falls in."

This (whole post).

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 11, 2014 9:19 PM  

VD: "I don't think much of your analytical skills. Simple math alone suffices to show that the future of the Jews is much less certain than the future of the white people. You're making the common mistake of thinking current trends will continue in the future."

I'm taking the long view. Simple math is inadequate, otherwise the Jews wouldn't still be here when many more numerous peoples are not. The sojourner strategy as practiced by Jews has demonstrated awesome toughness, and they have other advantages.

Whites do not survive, thrive and dominate as demographically submerged minorities the ways Jews do. The only strategy that regularly works for us is to have homelands for ourselves alone (perhaps with small, inactive minorities of other races). This is the strategy that those who rule our cultures hate and are eliminating swiftly. So our position is much more dangerous than raw numbers would suggest.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 11, 2014 9:30 PM  

VD: "I invite you to consider this another way. Your "outwhine the Jews" approach is so wildly ineffective that it even turns off me, an avowed supporter of the right of every people to self-defense, self-government, and ethnic solidarity, including White Europeans."

I know it's not possible to "outwhine the Jews", but this is what I think, therefore it shows up in how I discuss issues I see as relevant. Obviously the topic of this thread is relevant.

VD: "Not only that, but you, the self-declared defender of the white people, are spending your time here today attacking me, rather than those you claim to be committing genocide. How does that make sense?"

I don't spend my time telling Jews not to act Jewish or shouting at the stars to change their courses. I already explained: I see Jewish survival under all circumstances as a given, and Jewish survival strategies that look risky in the short run but assure that survival in the long run also as a given.

Nor is it possible to have interesting conversations. What you get is the attitude of Jewish commenters who were denying that Israel or Jewish lobbies would ever want a strike on Syria, while all major Jewish lobbies were saying "strike!" and the Israeli ambassador was saying Israel wanted a strike. That's not a conversation, that's using words for fighting.

And, I'm not "a defender of us whites" 24/7.

Suppose this was during the Blitz. I have done everything I can think of for the war effort, and now we're sitting in a tube station listening to the bombs fall. What happens now is clearly not up to me or you. I would be as convinced of the reality of the war then as I am of white genocide now, or more so because it would be much more obvious, and I would be passionate about it (though less fervently, due to not having the frustration of other people denying that it was happening) but I wouldn't want to craft my every thought, word and deed to better serve "the war effort!!"

VD: "Do you think you're winning anyone over?"

I'm just discussing stuff, naturally from my point of view. You think that white survival is not a real issue but Jewish survival is, and I think the opposite, so naturally being human we're challenged each other over this. Strategies for winning converts don't come into this; it's discursive not manipulative.

VD: "Granted, I'm not entirely white, but I think you would be willing to grant that I am not a danger to your people."

I see you as a positive benefit. Everyone who is not intimidated by the culture of moral corruption is. This would apply if you were white, black, Asian, Jewish, or some variety of brown, Mestizo or native. The construction of culture is important, and people who don't bow to the citadel of depravity are sadly rare.

(Also, I go further than you likely do in thinking that for an individual though not for large numbers, commitment and culture can outweigh genes. I won't go into that now, because it's a big topic. But you are obviously more European than I am.)

VD: "I suggest you rethink your approach, because this one isn't working."

I don't think I'm going to argue you into anything. You're a stubborn individualist, proud of having your own unique take on everything. Besides, you are smarter than me and much more practiced in arguing (which matters more than straight intelligence anyway) and you know it. A lot of other people have argued with you and gotten nowhere. Why would I do better?

So I am just arguing as people do when they think they are right on a particular topic, even when they know that the other person is stubborn and committed, and far too practiced in rhetoric to "lose". Regardless of my inability to sway you, I'm disagreeing, because I think I'm right. That's not "an approach", it's human.

Blogger Some dude January 11, 2014 10:52 PM  

There's nothing antisemitic about your statements, as long as they are consistent. If you want to ban all dual citizenships, whether it's with Israel, Poland, Ireland, Italy, Canada, etc. etc. Go for it. I just don't think that's such a hot idea. A better concept would be to simply ban dual citizens from security sensitive or national positions.

Anonymous Steve January 11, 2014 10:52 PM  

The liberal secular Jews in the US are disappearing, from intermarriage and low fertility. Only the very Orthodox, who are not particularly interested in popular culture, the university, finance or macro-economics, will survive the century. The gentiles will inherit the world the liberal American Ashkenazi Jews built, by default. And the Israeli Jews? They are not so suicidal as their liberal American cousins or Europeans for that matter. They want to live. They don't claim to be weak and powerless, however. The Steve Sailer line does not work with them. They will gladly tell you if you fuck with them, their memory and reach are long.

Anonymous Robert in Arabia January 12, 2014 12:03 AM  

Why not once more with feeling?

Anonymous bob k. mando January 12, 2014 12:23 AM  

Titus Didius Tacitus January 11, 2014 8:38 PM
But actually not being in question.



uh, yeah.

that was the point of my first post IN WHICH I DISAGREED WITH VOX.

savvy?

Anonymous Frank Brady January 12, 2014 12:29 AM  

One of the best kept "dirty little secrets" underpinning the illegal U.S. invasion of Iraq and the resulting "war on terror" is that many of President George W. Bush's top foreign policy and military advisors held dual Israeli citizenship. This allegedly included Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Doug Feith among others. These people have the blood of more than 4,000 American soldiers on their hands along with tens of thousands of Iraqis. They should be prosecuted for war crimes and high treason.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 12, 2014 1:03 AM  

bob k. mando: "savvy?"

Belatedly.

Anonymous Mavwreck January 12, 2014 2:11 AM  

Hunsdon quoted: Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.

I'm not commenting on whether the extremism in an article like this is a vice. I'm not even saying whether I think the extremists are correct. I'm saying this sort of extremism is generally ineffective in conversation. Its chance of changing anyone's mind is really low.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 12, 2014 2:28 AM  

If everyone speaks based on strategies of effectiveness for changing minds in some predetermined correct direction, then where are the honest discussion where people try out various arguments not for effectiveness but for coherence, and where people raise their real concerns and try to hash out what would be the right directions for minds to be changed in?

A large part of the charm of Vox Day is that he argues positions he knows are too extreme to be persuasive but that he considers to be correct (like: "feminism is an evil ideology") and everybody else is free to do the same.

"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane."
- Marcus Aurelius

"Effectiveness" is basically about being in the majority, either all the way along (if you pick positions that have powerful social support) or when you get done (if you have great rhetoric or are part of a powerful social movement like the gay marriage crowd).

Escaping the ranks of the insane is a different enterprise, that often requires departing far from what's fashionable enough to be "moderate" and "effective in conversation".

Anonymous VD January 12, 2014 4:26 AM  

There's nothing antisemitic about your statements, as long as they are consistent. If you want to ban all dual citizenships, whether it's with Israel, Poland, Ireland, Italy, Canada, etc. etc.

I most certainly do. Anyone who takes another citizenship should automatically lose their US citizenship.

Blogger Some dude January 12, 2014 6:07 AM  

I most certainly do. Anyone who takes another citizenship should automatically lose their US citizenship.

I don't think it's a good idea VD. For starters, dual citizenship gives Americans opportunities in foreign countries to build businesses and make connections they wouldn't otherwise have. For another, and this is key, it allows Americans a safety hatch in case their local officials decide to go haywire. And given what's going on around us, I don't think that should be taken lightly.

For example, if a man falls behind child support payments, or if the IRS decides to go after him for whatever random reason they feel like, his property can be seized and his passport revoked. Good luck dealing with that. if he has a second passport from Costa Rica, he can still move, and if he has an account in a foreign bank he has something to work with outside of US jurisdictions.

Sure, he can still do some of the above without dual citizenship, from what I understand you've done exactly that, but it just make it all the harder.

Also consider, a number of expats with American citizenship have no intention of returning, yet their dual citizenship is a way of affirming their loyalty to a country they love.

I understand the problem with dual loyalty. But it's a simple solution. Key posts cannot be filled with anyone who has dual citizenship.

OpenID bc64a9f8-765e-11e3-8683-000bcdcb2996 January 12, 2014 7:50 AM  

Second, ban all dual citizenships.

How about simply assigning hate crime status to the inappropriate use of a hyphen?
THAT might clear up a whole BUNCH of assorted bits of victimologismhoods

CaptDMO

Anonymous Hunsdon January 12, 2014 8:20 AM  

Mavwreck clarified: Its chance of changing anyone's mind is really low.

Hunsdon said: The dangerous thing is, if you even point out the vast statistical over-representation of Jews (particularly Ashkenazi Jews) in the "commanding heights" of the American culture (economy, legislature, media), the response immediately becomes, "So, have you always been a Nazi, or is this a recent thing?"

What was Jack Kennedy's line? Something about "Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent change inevitable"?

OpenID luagha January 12, 2014 8:53 AM  

As a response to something from a ways back; I was under the impression that China isn't increasing their borrowing to us at this time, just mostly rolling over their debt with us. Loaning us more only as we pay off previous loans. Maintaining a steady state of debt.

We aren't currently borrowing any more from China to give to Israel; we're printing money to give to Israel and devaluing our currency.

OpenID simplytimothy January 12, 2014 9:41 AM  

Let the schmoozing begin http://pjmedia.com/spengler/2014/01/11/common-traits-bind-jews-and-chinese/?singlepage=true

Since VD gives us ~20 years (?) before collapse, we should be able to watch this happen in real-time. What would be a good tag for updates on this topic?

Anonymous Stilicho January 12, 2014 10:16 AM  

Vox, you'll find this amusing: Chinese, just like Jews.

More of the "the West has failed despite the Jews' help, so it's time to look for greener pastures" meme:

By replacing the Temple with the person of Jesus of Nazareth, Christianity spiritualized Jewish practice. In place of the sacrifices of the Temple, belief in the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross and his subsequent resurrection became the center of Western religion. Christianity appealed to the tribes of Europe by offering them a place in a “new Israel” of the spirit, while retaining their ethnic identity in the flesh. The tragedy of Western Christianity is that the flesh overcame the spirit, and the tribalism of the European peoples ultimately destroyed the universal ties of Christian culture.

It is instructive to contrast today’s Europe with today’s China. Europe has achieved a limited degree of unification without, however, overcoming national resistance to a unified government. China by contrast contains fifty-five distinct ethnic minorities and numerous spoken languages within a single political system. Despite the occasional eruption of separatist tendencies, China is in little danger of reverting to a loose confederation of ethnicities.

For all its great accomplishments, the European project of the past thousand years has failed. The greatest achievement of the West is the creation of the United States of America, which selected immigrants from all nations in a new, non-ethnic polity defined by a Constitution inspired to a great extent by ancient Israel.

When Christianity failed to overcome the residual tribalism of the West, its universalizing message was replaced by relativism. The reigning dogma in the secular West now states that every ethnicity is entitled to its own “narrative” and that all cultures are equally valid in their own terms. Relativism refuses to consider the obvious fact that some cultures succeed while others fail miserably; it insists on the absolute right of self-definition and self-termination for every tribe.

This post-Christian ideology motivates many attacks on China in the West, and justifies Western support for breakaway movements in Tibet, Xinjiang, and other Chinese provinces. The same ideology justifies attacks on the State of Israel. Liberal relativists argue that Palestinian Arabs have the right to their own self-defining narrative, which regards the State of Israel as an alien intrusion in the Middle East-despite the thousands of years of Jewish history and the unbroken Jewish presence in the country over those thousands of years. The relativists demand that Israel abandon its character as a Jewish State, or at least give up so much land as to become indefensible.

Anonymous Stilicho January 12, 2014 10:17 AM  

Oops, I see simplytimothy beat me to it.

Anonymous Stilicho January 12, 2014 10:19 AM  

Just look at that strong central government that China has. Plus they allow multiple ethnicities within their empire. It will be so easy to corrupt...

OpenID simplytimothy January 12, 2014 10:44 AM  

Well, there is an opening gambit--it reads like a man justifying dumping his first wife. What should we expect next?

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 12, 2014 10:52 AM  

Instapundit agrees: WELL, YES: Common traits bind Jews and Chinese. “The Chinese, in short have no reasons to dislike or fear the Jews, and a number of reasons to admire them simply because Jews display traits that Chinese admire among themselves.”

Anonymous E. PERLINE January 12, 2014 11:44 AM  

The Germans killed most of the Jews in Europe mainly because they had "Jewish ancestry." And what did it get them?

One characteristic of socialist thinking is to punish the successful. Does our emotional thinking about the Jews come from jealousy? They seem to advance progress
in every country they settle in. And they don't complain when they are excluded from jobs in utilities, steel making, auto manufacturing, etc. Sounds like a good deal for us.

Blogger JCclimber January 12, 2014 12:50 PM  

United States is the beast of Revelation 13:11 that comes out of dry land (a nation that arises out of sparsely populated areas), that has two horns like a lamb, but speaks like a dragon (a perfect fit for the way America has behaved on the world stage the last decade or so).

Anonymous A. Nonymous January 12, 2014 3:44 PM  

One characteristic of socialist thinking is to punish the successful.

And the NSDAP, it seems, were very, very successful.

OpenID mattse001 January 12, 2014 4:50 PM  

Hmmm....
In light of the topic, it's interesting that this article should suddenly turn up:
http://pjmedia.com/spengler/2014/01/11/common-traits-bind-jews-and-chinese/

OpenID mattse001 January 12, 2014 4:51 PM  

Oops. I got beat to the punch, too.

OpenID simplytimothy January 12, 2014 6:28 PM  

One caveat--the Haaretz article is from 2006, so my assumption that the Wye Plantation meeting was last weekend and this spengler article shows up a week later is wrong.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 12, 2014 8:32 PM  

Whatever happens next, it's going to be interpreted mostly through two agendas or rules of discussion.

1. Exonerate the Jews. They're not doing anything bad for us, and if they are it's our fault and inadvertent on their part. (This does not cause any pause in Jewish boasting about their superior smarts and success.)

2. Legitimate arguments have to be based on what's best for the Jews. If Jews are doing something very bad for whites, the main argument against it is that this could cause whites to unleash their inner naziswhowanttokillsixmillionjews, so to avoid that Jews should knock it off.

This argument makes whites look terrible, like barely controlled monsters the world might be better off without. But that's OK, arguments that make whites look terrible are legitimate, only arguments that make Jews look terrible are illegitimate.

I think these agendas or rules of discussion are bad for whites. We shouldn't agree to them. When an argument is convenient from a philosemitic point of view but it makes whites look terrible, I don't think it's loyal or right for whites to agree to that.

I don't think Jews are in real danger. I think whites are in great danger. And some of us are white and we should take care of our own. That's why we should prioritize white interests, and not support statements that make whites acceptable targets..

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 12, 2014 8:41 PM  

Why didn't I say that earlier? I didn't think of it earlier.

I only thought of it after I reviewed the discussion to find out what made me touchy and uncomfortable. And I don't like this idea that Jews should refrain from doing bad things because whites will scapegoat innocent Jews and murder millions of them.

I think that way of arguing is bad for the whites and it's not a true statement of our situation.

Anonymous E. PERLINE January 13, 2014 8:36 AM  

What is the NSDAP?

Anonymous Orlok January 13, 2014 9:26 AM  

I agree with you that America is spiritually and prophetically Babylon. (See Isa 14,Jer 51 spec.)She is indeed a daughter of Rome as Rome is also a spiritual descendant of Babylonian-Judaism ala Simon the Sorcerer. (Iron mixed w/clay-Daniel 2) . Our Roman roots are obvious in our founding documents and Capitol. (see Rulers of Evil -T. Saussey) and to this present day. Which is another way to say Babylonian roots, as Rome is another Babylon herself. I don't see any reason for the Jews to stop their historical pattern of rising to the top positions of power in any nation that allows them freedom.to do so, but your one of the very few that call attention to it.I was always fascinated the Japanese were pro-jewish, even to the point of offering relocation to them to China, so there is a historical precedent for the Jews being welcomed by Asians. I can actually see this being preferred by the more liberal Jews as I am sure the orthodox and their clinging to religious traditions are considered binding,limiting and odious to them and their self styled Judaism.

Blogger Marissa January 13, 2014 3:29 PM  

The tragedy of Western Christianity is that the flesh overcame the spirit, and the tribalism of the European peoples ultimately destroyed the universal ties of Christian culture.

Does he mean Tribe-alism destroyed Christian culture? LOL, I don't find this to be a convincing analysis. Did tribalism/nationalism destroy the Church? It seems more like embracing universality is what destroyed it.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 13, 2014 8:46 PM  

E. PERLINE: "What is the NSDAP?"

That question is in the present tense. And it wouldn't be relevant if it wasn't in the present or the future tense. So this only relevant answer is: "The NSDAP is dust, the same as Hannibal and Tamerlane."

And in the 21st Century, if whites don't want to go the way of Carthage, they need to stop accepting demonization, forced moral corruption, anti-white legislation, and the international push for mass non-white immigration and forced assimilation in all white countries and only in white countries.

Anonymous Direita January 17, 2014 4:54 AM  

You need to relax. First, you're not serious. If you were serious, you would be doing something about it, you wouldn't be worrying about it on a blog. Second, there are more whites alive today than there were in 1900.

In 1900 there were 66.8 million whites in the USA. In 2010, there were 223 million. Hardly a death spiral.

The Census in the US is a total scam, which is why I don’t have faith that the white american populace is 70 percent, its BULL, our numbers are below 50 in my opinion, they constantly mingle Mongrels with the Real western White american population.

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