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Monday, February 24, 2014

Cracks in the Pax

Contra the myth of shining happy progress, China and Japan appear to be heading directly into military conflict again:
Chan Kai Yee of China Daily Mail, a blog with no connection to Beijing, Feb. 22, 2014, provides the following summary translation of an article in Qianzhan.com, a Chinese-language news site headquartered in the city of Shenzhen in China’s southeastern Guangdong province, with offices in Beijing and Hong Kong:

Quite a few people have said that the conflict over the Diaoyus (known as Senkakus in Japan) has passed the stage of oral confrontation and what follows may very probably be direct military conflict.

It is especially so as, relying on US support, Japan is obviously declaring war against China already. Sources say that China’s Central Military Commission has directly given Chinese military the instruction: “Fight if it is appropriate to fight.

Sources pointed out that they had received information that Xi Jinping, Chairman of the Central Military Commission, gave a relevant warning to a Japanese economic and trade delegation that recently visited China. Xi specially pointed out to the delegation when he met them, if Japan kept provoking China and thus gave rise to an unstable situation, it alone has to be responsible for all the consequences.
What we are seeing here is the pre-positioning for the collapse of the global Pax Americana. The US is intervening in the internal affairs of foreign governments ever more actively than any time since the 1950s, but it is doing so now without the benefit of a credible military threat. While the weaponry is still significantly advanced and there is still a core of excellent soldiers, it is no secret that the population has zero will-to-fight and the military has been all but broken by constant misuse and overuse as well as the incessant social meddling by its civilian overseers. Vladimir Putin recognizes this, as do the Communist oligarchs of China. So, too, do the Eurofascists of the EU.

The world's second-rate powers can't stand directly against the USA yet, but they know the time is rapidly approaching when they will be able to do so. Remember, it only took 22 years for Germany to go from laying prostrate and defeated before the Western Allies to defeating France. Already, the US finds itself unable to impose its will upon China. In another generation, the USA will be unable to impose its will in Asia.  It's not unthinkable that a generation after that, its European influence will be gone and US hegemony will be largely limited to the area of the historical Monroe Doctrine.

And clearly it isn't only the foreign governments who anticipate this:
Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel plans to shrink the United States Army to its smallest force since before the World War II buildup and eliminate an entire class of Air Force attack jets in a new spending proposal that officials describe as the first Pentagon budget to aggressively push the military off the war footing adopted after the terror attacks of 2001.

The proposal, described by several Pentagon officials on the condition of anonymity in advance of its release on Monday, takes into account the fiscal reality of government austerity and the political reality of a president who pledged to end two costly and exhausting land wars. A result, the officials argue, will be a military capable of defeating any adversary, but too small for protracted foreign occupations.
The size of the military and the expenditure upon it can rapidly change, but the population from which it draws won't. Between Bush the Elder, Clinton, Bush the Younger, and Obama, is there a single individual one could honestly recommend anyone accepting on oath as a commander-in-chief? And as for the time-hallowed notion of  "serving one's country", what country would one serve now? North Mexico? Israel? Melting Pottomia? Democracy?

The only people in whose interests the US government appears completely unwilling to intervene is the Revolutionary American people.

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Blogger The Anti-Gnostic February 24, 2014 9:12 AM  

Melting Pottomia

Haha. I like that one.

The US military no longer defends the territorial integrity of the US, so I could care less how small the Big, Green, Welfare Machine gets.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic February 24, 2014 9:19 AM  

*could not care less

Anonymous Salt February 24, 2014 9:25 AM  

The US is done for. Up next, the Chinese? Putin may not like that, being in such close proximity.

"limited to the area of the historical Monroe Doctrine." Yes, and seprated by two wonderful bodies of water. Samuel Clemons said something like "history doesn't repeat, it rhymes." I'm not so sure about that.

Anonymous Said No SWPL Ever... February 24, 2014 9:27 AM  

Obama Lied, People Died

OpenID artisanaltoadshall February 24, 2014 9:28 AM  

And the one constant threat to the US in terms of unconventional war is the western escarpment of Cumbre Vieja in the Canary Islands. A couple of nukes placed there will be the TEOTWAWKI event that ends the US hegemony forever.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2014 9:29 AM  

"The US is done for. Up next, the Chinese? Putin may not like that, being in such close proximity. "

No. Not the chinese.

up next is Russia.

China won't even be third. Their time has already come and gone.

Anonymous Athor Pel February 24, 2014 9:38 AM  

Read an article the other day,

http://washingtonexaminer.com/ukraine-defense-minister-ignores-repeated-phone-calls-from-chuck-hagel/article/2544358

Not much detail there but here's the money quote,

"Ukraine Defense Minister Pavel Lebedev has refused to take multiple phone calls made personally by Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, the Pentagon said Thursday."

Appartently it isn't worth his time to answer a phone call from the American Defense Secretary and the American Defense Secretary seems to think that publicizing the snub will somehow put pressure on the Ukrainian Defense Minister.

Anonymous Mr. Nightstick February 24, 2014 9:58 AM  

Isn't Russia getting it's ass handed to itself over the Ukraine? Or is the Ukrainian revolution some secret plan of Putin's?

Anonymous cheddarman February 24, 2014 10:03 AM  

No, we have Hillary Clinton and smart power, all will be well because Hillary says so.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2014 10:04 AM  

"Isn't Russia getting it's ass handed to itself over the Ukraine? Or is the Ukrainian revolution some secret plan of Putin's?"

I have no idea what's going on in Ukraine. I don't know if its us, them, both, or neither.

But if they are getting their ass handed to them... I would simply ask why you expect history to be so neat and tidy?

Anonymous Stilicho February 24, 2014 10:15 AM  

I have no idea what's going on in Ukraine. I don't know if its us, them, both, or neither.

The Russians are not going to give up the eastern, pro-Russian sections of the Ukraine or the Crimea, period. Splitting the country along those lines is possible, but not before Russia tries to keep the whole territory within its camp. Letting an anti-Russian government from western Ukraine control the east and the Crimea is not an option for the Russians at this point. Russian tanks can roll into the Ukraine as easily as they recently did in Georgia. By invitation, of course.

Anonymous Alexander February 24, 2014 10:15 AM  

Awful lot of oil goes to the EU through Russian pipelines. Oil to western Ukraine first has to go through the east. Be a shame if something happened to that.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2014 10:19 AM  

"The Russians are not going to give up the eastern, pro-Russian sections of the Ukraine or the Crimea, period. Splitting the country along those lines is possible, but not before Russia tries to keep the whole territory within its camp."

sure. but I suppose the theory would be the russians themselves could've stirred up the instability as an excuse to send "peace keeping" forces.

Create crisis. Solve crisis. Increase credibility as world leader.

Anonymous Heh February 24, 2014 10:21 AM  

The only people in whose interests the US government appears completely unwilling to intervene is the Revolutionary American people.

Alas, they are completely willing to intervene, very aggressively, against the interests of the American people. But needless to say that ain't a foreign intervention.

Anonymous Cryan Ryan February 24, 2014 10:23 AM  

Two points... first, America's efforts should be to increase women's suffrage worldwide.

(and to sell/give them more GM corn and wheat)

Soon they will also be so obese and disoriented, they will pose no threat.

Second point.... Man those Ukranians know how to kick ass!! Imagine a whole herd of tall strong men with Klitschko genes throwing bricks and tipping over large trucks.

I'll bet some of those guys can throw a brick 100 yards, with minimal trajectory.

Anonymous Alexander February 24, 2014 10:24 AM  

Well... you say that, but I think the immigration policy supported by the elite (as well as the makeup of the elite themselves) very much makes it a foreign intervention.

Anonymous Salt February 24, 2014 10:24 AM  

The problem Russia has with Ukraine is Gazprom. As long as the pipelines are not threatened and the spice flows, Putin may take a wait and see approach.

Blogger Matamoros February 24, 2014 10:24 AM  

Nate: I have no idea what's going on in Ukraine. I don't know if its us, them, both, or neither.

I'm beginning to wonder if the powers that be (insert name here) are not setting up a Pyrrhic victory, or trap for Putin.

Putin has restored Russia to, if not Great Power status, at least a contender in international politics.

The Eastern Europeans have long memories, and the repression by the Soviet State against them, whether in or out of the Union, remains clear.

The best way to galvanize Eastern Europe is to provoke, or other get Russia to make a military move against a European area.

Then, whether Russia wins or loses it becomes a pariah state. Personally I hope Putin and the Russian leadership don't allow themselves to get sucked into this quagmire which could undo all the good he has done for Russia.

Blogger Tom Kratman February 24, 2014 10:27 AM  

One of the problems with the drawdown is that not a penny will be saved. Instead, it will be spent on vote buying via bureaucracy and social welfare expansion, I'd rather spend it on jets, tanks, and artillery that we then dumped at sea, myself.

Blogger Kentucky Packrat February 24, 2014 10:28 AM  

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Anonymous Mr. Nightstick February 24, 2014 10:28 AM  

The Ukraine situation is a possible counterpoint to your Russia Ascendant hypothesis and right now it's strongly looking like Russia has lost this one. But the situation is far from over and it's possible the Russians could make a come back. So this really is a test for Putin and Russia and if they do come back and win this situation then your Russia Ascendant hypothesis has gained far more points than it's lost.

Blogger Kentucky Packrat February 24, 2014 10:28 AM  

I didn't realize just how weak we (the US) had gotten until Bengazi. Number One Son was saying that we could have scrambled jets from Italy, and been there within a hour of the first call. I started looking, and realized that the Air Force is so starved for resources that they probably couldn't scramble jets from anywhere in Europe on an hour's notice. Our European allies actually exhausted their military budgets trying to bomb out Libya first, so they couldn't help either.

If the Russian military weren't equally decrepit (and if the French wouldn't love the excuse to nuke Germany), Russia could roll across Europe in a fortnight or less.

Blogger YIH February 24, 2014 10:30 AM  

Someone enlighten me if I'm incorrect, though I realize we (the US) are essentially Japan's defense in the event of attack (from what I've heard that while having state of the art tech, Japan's SDF is rather weak and not particularly competent - by design) how does that apply if Japan initiates conflict?
As a rhetorical question, didn't the Japanese learn anything from their history? The last time they initiated conflict (as in striking first) it didn't end well for them - and it involved nuclear weapons.

Anonymous A Plate of Shrimp February 24, 2014 10:30 AM  

"you say that, but I think the immigration policy supported by the elite (as well as the makeup of the elite themselves) very much makes it a foreign intervention."

We now have an elite which is essentially a) non-American, b) un-American, and c) anti-American.

What's not to like?

Blogger stareatgoatsies February 24, 2014 10:39 AM  

Does anyone really think that Putin wouldn't prefer the previous status-quo to where Ukraine is heading since the protests? Losing control over western Ukraine isn't part of the Strongman Putin Guiding a Russian Ascendancy narrative.

So he's proven willing to play ultra-hardball with gas supplies and trade, but that's a large part of why Western Ukrainians hate Russia in general and Putin's Russia in particular, and why they've been doing things like capturing arms depots and charging snipers with large sticks. To every action etc.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia February 24, 2014 10:39 AM  

US hegemony will be largely limited to the area of the historical Monroe Doctrine.

As it should have always been.

Blogger Me Guerrero February 24, 2014 10:40 AM  

"Letting an anti-Russian government from western Ukraine control the east and the Crimea is not an option for the Russians at this point."
The same freaking situation with China and North Korea, however for someone that enjoys some K-pop and Korean TVshows ,is such a shame that Korea can't be one and more powerful because of that, the Korean Wave Hallyu would be more stronger with one more third of Koreans : /

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia February 24, 2014 10:40 AM  

If we had a sane foreign policy, we would forget the world and invade Mexico now.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia February 24, 2014 10:45 AM  

because of that, the Korean Wave Hallyu would be more stronger with one more third of Koreans

They wouldn't let MacArthur do his job. We could have a united free Korea right now.

You remember that thing we had about 30 years ago called the Korean conflict? And how we failed to achieve victory? How come we didn't cross the 38th parallel and push those rice-eaters back to the Great Wall of China?

All right. I'll say it. 'Cause Truman was too much of a *pussy wimp* to let MacArthur go in there and blow out those Commie bastards!

Anonymous Stilicho February 24, 2014 10:47 AM  

If we had a sane foreign policy, we would forget the world and invade Mexico now.

A counter-invasion?

Blogger Porter February 24, 2014 10:49 AM  

The only people in whose interests the US government appears completely unwilling to intervene is the Revolutionary American people.

An inevitability when the state decouples from the nation.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia February 24, 2014 10:50 AM  

Aye Stilicho, and some resources and fine beaches to go along with it.

Anonymous Jack Amok February 24, 2014 10:57 AM  

If we had a sane foreign policy, we would forget the world and invade Mexico now.

Good God why? We've already got to deal with 50 million Mexicans north of the border. If we conquer their contry, we'll have to deal with 120 million more south of it.

Anonymous A Plate of Shrimp February 24, 2014 11:00 AM  

"forget the world and invade Mexico now."

An actual invasion would be unnecessary and unwelcome. Just bombing the living shit out of it would do the trick.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2014 11:03 AM  

"As a rhetorical question, didn't the Japanese learn anything from their history? "

Unlike Americans... The Japanese realize that history didn't begin in 1945.

I think you'll find the Japanese have a long and storied tradition of kicking the shit out of china.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia February 24, 2014 11:07 AM  

Just bombing the living shit out of it would do the trick.
Can't argue there.

But even if we did take over Mexico, our recent manifestations that we refer to as govt. would probably do little better than the native regimes have been doing.

Blogger Harold Carper February 24, 2014 11:12 AM  

I enlisted when Reagan was President, had second thoughts when Bush the Elder took office, and got out as quickly as I could when Clinton took over. Enlisting now would be akin to swearing allegiance to Caligula.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2014 11:14 AM  

"An actual invasion would be unnecessary and unwelcome. Just bombing the living shit out of it would do the trick."

What trick do you think it would do? Because I don't think it would do what you think it would do.

Anonymous Jack Amok February 24, 2014 11:17 AM  

What trick do you think it would do? Because I don't think it would do what you think it would do.

Yeah, I think it would encourage the survivors to move north to cities that weren't bombed out (aka US cities), and bring an even worse Aztlan attitude with them.

Anonymous Salt February 24, 2014 11:17 AM  

Bomb the living shit outta them and they'll move north, en mass.

Anonymous VD February 24, 2014 11:17 AM  

Zip it, Porky. You're not derailing this discussion with your eternal need to prove that you, and only you, understand politics.

Blogger Outlaw X February 24, 2014 11:17 AM  

They aren't going to save any money, they are shifting their policy more toward contract employees and Jackals and away from direct military response.

Blogger YIH February 24, 2014 11:18 AM  

Point taken Nate, however this is not your grandfather's China. While Japan certainly has the means to deliver nukes it's doubtful/debatable whether they actually have any.
Not to mention the fact that if China would like strike a severe blow on Japan's military age population all they would have to do is hit Akihibara in late August or just before New Year's day - and they could probably take it out with conventional weapons.

Anonymous Porky February 24, 2014 11:18 AM  

The problem Russia has with Ukraine is Gazprom. As long as the pipelines are not threatened and the spice flows, Putin may take a wait and see approach.

Bingo. Putin wouldn't have moved anyway until the Olympics were over.

Now they're over.

Anonymous Dr. Kenneth Noisewater February 24, 2014 11:25 AM  

Frankly, I'm pleased. If there's any hope of balancing the budget short of catastrophe (there isn't), _every_ federal program needs to be cut by at least 40%. The carrier fleet should be halved via attrition (with some of them used to power shore cities until refueling, then mothballed) and the standing army titrated into a much smaller core of highly-trained forces (which would still be unconstitutional and prone to go Praetorian) with NG and reserves.

It just seems to me that a permanent war footing with a large and expensive standing army is the perfect excuse for massive government spending and federal usurpation of states' rights. I don't know how to reconcile this, so I defer to the Founders' wisdom regarding standing armies.

Anonymous Dr. Kenneth Noisewater February 24, 2014 11:31 AM  

One of the problems with the drawdown is that not a penny will be saved. Instead, it will be spent on vote buying via bureaucracy and social welfare expansion, I'd rather spend it on jets, tanks, and artillery that we then dumped at sea, myself.

So, welfare for Scots-Irish?

:)

There's something to be said for continuously building carriers (slowly) and other weapons systems, and as new stuff comes online, the older stuff gets mothballed or recycled. It maintains skillsets, allows for continuous introduction of improvements and efficiencies, and provides good skilled jobs.

Anonymous Jack Amok February 24, 2014 11:32 AM  

China has very little history of military success. They've lost to just about every outside force they've faced. The only power Japan has ever lost to was the United States.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis February 24, 2014 11:33 AM  

"
No. Not the chinese.

up next is Russia.

China won't even be third. Their time has already come and gone."

Same with Russia. I have serious doubts that Russia as it exists will continue to do so by the end of the century. Geography and demographics are not on their side, though to be fair, the leadership in Russia know this and are actively trying to change this.

Anonymous Mike M. February 24, 2014 11:40 AM  

From a strategic perspective, we need to keep the Navy strong. Cut back on the Army. Historically, the standing Army was a small force that was used for border defense, fighting Indians, and as a cadre for a much larger wartime-only force.

Pure isolationism isn't going to work for us. The United States is a trade and cultural (lowbrow, admittedly) power. We're engaged worldwide whether we like it or not. The key is to fight on OUR terms, in OUR way - not get bogged down in some quixotic crusade to establish democracy in the Third World.

BTW, I would not count the United States out yet...and do not underestimate the Japanese military. They are well-equipped and well-trained.

Anonymous Edjamacator February 24, 2014 11:43 AM  

"Yeah, yeah....war, death, loss of national power and/or pride. Whatever. I think the real question here is how will this impact our ready supply of cheap, poorly made merchandise." - Huge number of Americans

Anonymous Athor Pel February 24, 2014 11:43 AM  

"Jack AmokFebruary 24, 2014 10:57 AM
If we had a sane foreign policy, we would forget the world and invade Mexico now.

Good God why? We've already got to deal with 50 million Mexicans north of the border. If we conquer their contry, we'll have to deal with 120 million more south of it. "


If you want an invasion to succeed you need to do what other successful invaders have done throughout history. Set up shop in the new territory as if you own it, which you do since you fought and bled to get it.

You move in to stay, in great numbers. That means full blown colonization.

With colonization come American investors and their money.

With that investment come jobs, jobs Mexicans won't need to cross the Rio Grande to get.

Anonymous Alexander February 24, 2014 11:46 AM  

So who then? If not America, Russia, Europe, China, Japan... you're left with what... Islamistan? Atzlan?

Seems to me that *someone* has to be first, it's just that the competition is so crap that the bar will be set very low. But I don't see why you'd count China or Russia out if the competition is Eurabia and Melting Pottomia

Anonymous Porky February 24, 2014 11:47 AM  

BTW, I would not count the United States out yet...

This is like Winston Smith saying he would not count Oceania out yet.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2014 11:48 AM  

"Point taken Nate, however this is not your grandfather's China."

Correct. this china has the most rapidly aging population in the world... and is one of a very few countries on the earth that actually are in worse economic shape than the US.

Anonymous Alexander February 24, 2014 11:48 AM  

So... the plan is to conquer Mexico, invest in it, and then give *those* jobs to Mexicans?

Sounds like burning down the house to spite the arsonist. Let's just shift them back their side of the border and let them do whatever the hell they want on their side of it.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2014 11:49 AM  

" I have serious doubts that Russia as it exists will continue to do so by the end of the century."

To assuage those doubts you need only to look at resources and economics.

Russia will be the last man standing.

Anonymous cheddarman February 24, 2014 11:51 AM  

think about it from the U.S. Bankster perspective.

Putin is a potential threat to the petro-dollar.

If you take the Ukraine out of Russia's orbit, you can interrupt the flow of Russian oil and natural gas to Europe and put the hurt on Russia. a weakened Russia it makes it easier to destabilize Syria, get rid of Assad, and build the planned overland natural gas pipelines from the Persian Gulf to Europe, with the oil and natural gas being paid for in U.S. dollars.

The end result is a stronger dollar, and a weaker Russia, and Banksters with more loot.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2014 11:58 AM  

"think about it from the U.S. Bankster perspective.

Putin is a potential threat to the petro-dollar. "

Two things:

1) There is no such thing as a US banker. There are only bankers. They don't have friends. They have interests.

2) The Petro-Dollar is nice but its days are numbered. The next big thing is what the bankers are actually interested in... and putin provides them a potential solution.

Blogger Outlaw X February 24, 2014 11:59 AM  

Russia will be the last man standing.

There is no doubt in my mind that this is correct baring a nuclear confrontation, then nobody stands.

Anonymous Noah B. February 24, 2014 11:59 AM  

"It's not unthinkable that a generation after that, its European influence will be gone..."

Sounds like a safe prediction, but I doubt it will take that long.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2014 12:00 PM  

"Sounds like a safe prediction, but I doubt it will take that long."

As always... Vox's problem is his optimism.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia February 24, 2014 12:03 PM  

If Mexico is to come here (and that seems to be plan now), it would be better to take it over and impose rule.

But everything that would have to go in place with that rule would never happen with the US of today.

So at this point, it seems we screwed either way.

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 February 24, 2014 12:05 PM  

Correct. this china has the most rapidly aging population in the world... and is one of a very few countries on the earth that actually are in worse economic shape than the US

Well, yeah.
What's worse:
To owe trillions of dollar or to be owed trillions of dollars?

Anonymous Salt February 24, 2014 12:08 PM  

Russia will be the last man standing.

Logic might dictate such, though I can see a case being made that it will, in the end, be the USA.

First, we cannot disregard the economic problems. But those are solvable, even if after a total collapse. Such collapse will involve Russia and China. Thing is, where there is such economic troubles there also comes war. War encompassing Europe and/or EurAsia is land driven, not naval.

What I see is geography, and no nation, except for perhaps Australia and New Zealand, have anything close to what the US (/Canada) has. A large, highly resourced, land mass surrounded by large bodies of water. All the US need do is keep out of it.

Yes, I can see the USA coming out on top.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 February 24, 2014 12:10 PM  

I think you'll find the Japanese have a long and storied tradition of kicking the shit out of china.

And now the Japanese are a bunch of otaku. I doubt they could do much of anything these days.

Anonymous Jack Amok February 24, 2014 12:11 PM  

So who then? If not America, Russia, Europe, China, Japan... you're left with what... Islamistan? Atzlan?

Everybody has their problems. America's problems are a collapsing economy, a fractured sense of identity, and the feeling that the country has been hijacked by crooks.

Sounds like Russia fifteen years ago. The biggest difference between us now and them then is at that point they had admitted their government was a fiasco.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2014 12:15 PM  

"Sounds like Russia fifteen years ago. The biggest difference between us now and them then is at that point they had admitted their government was a fiasco."

Russians expect misery. Its not that they admitted their government was a fiasco. It never occurred to them that their government could be something other than a fiasco.

Americans expect good things to happen and are shocked when they don't.

Russians expect bad things to happen and are shocked when they don't.

Anonymous hygate February 24, 2014 12:16 PM  

Anyone with any awareness of Asia knows that the Chinese hate the Japanese with the burning fury of a thousand super-novas because the Chinese consider their culture to be the oldest and highest on earth, which makes the fact that the Japanese regularly and easily defeat them militarily especially galling.

Even more so when they consider that the Japanese are just a bunch of Koreans who couldn't hack it in the Korean peninsula and had to high-tail it to what are now called the Japanese Islands.

A fact the Japanese vehemently deny because they are even more racist against Koreans than they are the Chinese.

Anonymous Noah B. February 24, 2014 12:17 PM  

Closer ties between the EU and Russia seem only natural as US influence wanes, too.

Anonymous Salt February 24, 2014 12:24 PM  

Well this is interesting. Just posted at ZH.

Did IMF Just Win The War Of Ukraine Debt Annexation?

But it seems we have an answer... (from the newly-installed Ukraine central bank chief)

*UKRAINE'S KUBIV PLANS TO INVITE IMF MISSION, UNIAN SAYS

Which means only one thing: Russia's locked out and gas prices are about to skyrocket...



Strange bedfellows?

Blogger Me Guerrero February 24, 2014 12:30 PM  

"this china has the most rapidly aging population in the world"
Slow on news, eh?

The adjustment in China’s one-child policy was announced in November 2013; China's top legislature allowed couples to have two children if either parent was an only child. For China, it was a major departure from the one-child policy that was put in place in the late 1970s to prevent the country’s population from spiraling out of control.

Still dislike what the commie Chinese do with the division of Korea, damn it, Russians will do the same in Ukraine, playing and manipulating other countries is wrong in so many levels !

Anonymous ENthePeasant February 24, 2014 12:32 PM  

"One of the problems with the drawdown is that not a penny will be saved. Instead, it will be spent on vote buying via bureaucracy and social welfare expansion"

I would have to say that this is the point and intention. No socialist western government (and Obama is probably a communist at heart) will give up a single social program over the military. This has been coming for a long time. No one but me seems to remember that Bush had big plans to reduce the ground troop strength and skip an entire generation of weapons (which was BS. More about not spending the money on new weapons period.). When Bush first announced his plans for a GWOT terror my heart sunk. I knew this day was coming and coming fast... not to mention we'd lose the GWOT.

Blogger Me Guerrero February 24, 2014 12:33 PM  

Dude, Japanese hating Koreans?. as I have said, Korean influence is one of the biggest of the world, that is why I am so concerned about the potential of a unified Korea, most Japanese like Korean a lot!

The Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs acknowledges that the "boom" in Korean popular culture in Japan has "expanded" mutual interest and cultural exchanges between both countries Several high-profile fans of Korean TV dramas include Japan's former first lady Miyuki Hatoyama and Japan's current first lady Akie Abe. However, the popularity of Korean entertainment exports has recently led to several instances of street protests and demonstrations involving hundreds of people. These protests were mostly organized by critics of Korean pop culture with the support of right-wing nationalists.

Anonymous CLK February 24, 2014 12:33 PM  

The US, with its Allies for what they are worth, is 10x or more capable than the next largest military - China, Russia .. doesn't matter. In Asia, Japan and US together are more than a match for Chinese, the Chinese know this too. Where the US is weak is asymmetric warfare -- we just willing not do the things that need to done to win that sort of war -- which is kill every man, woman and child -- we can do it .. just won't. ...whether that's due to our Christian principles or something else.. I don't know.

Where's William Tecumseh Sherman when you need him...

Anonymous civilServant February 24, 2014 12:35 PM  

The only people in whose interests the US government appears completely unwilling to intervene is the Revolutionary American people.

Governments represent coherent entities.

this china has the most rapidly aging population in the world... and is one of a very few countries on the earth that actually are in worse economic shape than the US.

Correct. But it must be realized that they are in a "sweet spot" - they still enjoy the benefits of such without yet having entered the actual decline. The time for them to act is now.

I have no idea what's going on in Ukraine yet up next is Russia? Again wishful thinking.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2014 12:37 PM  

"The adjustment in China’s one-child policy was announced in November 2013; China's top legislature allowed couples to have two children if either parent was an only child. For China, it was a major departure from the one-child policy that was put in place in the late 1970s to prevent the country’s population from spiraling out of control. "

Hoss... I hate to break it to ya... and to the Chinese apparently... but its to late. The median age of chinese women is 37.5 years.

You aint getting a baby boom from a bunch 40 year old women.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2014 12:39 PM  

"I have no idea what's going on in Ukraine yet up next is Russia? Again wishful thinking."

No... its just simple pattern recognition. People almost always over-estimate the historical ramifications of today's big story or conflict.

I simply don't think this Ukraine thing is that big a deal.

Anonymous ENthePeasant February 24, 2014 12:39 PM  

As an aside an acquaintance of mine, a serving senior officer who resides/hides at the NDU, recently told me over several glasses of wine that the Obama administration was becoming all too aware that the military did not support Obama's totalitarian tendencies. He thought this rather amusing... but I had other fears. I'm waiting to see where the savings ends up. Will it go to DHS? BATF? DEA? Watch and see if this money doesn't end up in some kind of domestic security organization.

Anonymous Jack Amok February 24, 2014 12:41 PM  

Russians expect misery. Its not that they admitted their government was a fiasco. It never occurred to them that their government could be something other than a fiasco.

Americans expect good things to happen and are shocked when they don't.

Russians expect bad things to happen and are shocked when they don't.


So, what you're saying Nate is that somewhere between age 25 and age 45 I became Russian? Damn... can anyone recommend a good Vodka?

Anonymous Mike M. February 24, 2014 12:42 PM  

To win a war with the PRC, you don't fight on land. Cut the sea lanes of communication. Sink the oil tankers - or seize them in the Indian Ocean. Distant blockade, not close blockade. Then work inshore with submarines and maritime patrol aircraft, interdict the coastal shipping.

China is also a trade power...and if you cut off the supplies, their economy will collapse.

My personal opinion? The PRC is very reminiscent of Wilhelmine Germany. Both were rising powers, both with a bit of a chip on their shoulders, both very demanding of tokens of respect and prestige. And both prone to making clumsy diplomatic and strategic mistakes that will drive their neighbors together in opposition.

Anonymous ENthePeasant February 24, 2014 12:43 PM  

"But it must be realized that they are in a "sweet spot" - they still enjoy the benefits of such without yet having entered the actual decline. The time for them to act is now."

That's correct but I'm also convinced there's a lot of bluff involved in their current aggressiveness. The CCP realized this is the high water mark but have no desire to lose the gains they've made with war.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2014 1:07 PM  

"So, what you're saying Nate is that somewhere between age 25 and age 45 I became Russian? Damn... can anyone recommend a good Vodka?"

Yep. Welcome to the family.

as for Vodka... well... Vox obviously.

Anonymous Skippy February 24, 2014 1:20 PM  

"They've lost to just about every outside force they've faced. The only power Japan has ever lost to was the United States. "

By US you mean the allied forces actually doing the work right? South East Asia was harsher than the European front and handled by the ANZACS. All America did was show up at the end and drop a big bomb on Japan.


"
Correct. this china has the most rapidly aging population in the world... and is one of a very few countries on the earth that actually are in worse economic shape than the US."

Yet they have the largest army in the world, stockpiled resources, and hundreds of miles of fallout shelter dug into the mountains and prepped for nuclear survival....what does the US, or any one else, have?

Japanese men are a bunch of grass eating pussies.

As an Aussie I am shit scared. Without the threat of US weapons behind us I expect China to take a quick left to secure their investment. They have already bought out our mines and a lot of our farming land. I expect them to invade so they can be sure of keeping all the resources flowing and to have a staging base for invading Asia from both sides.

BTW, Ukraine is some outside power's ploy. Apparently Soros, among others, is funding the protestors. An 'ex' israeli military commander was recently found to be organizing the protestors.

Anonymous hygate February 24, 2014 1:28 PM  

"The Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs acknowledges that the "boom" in Korean popular culture in Japan has "expanded" mutual interest and cultural exchanges between both countries Several high-profile fans of Korean TV dramas include Japan's former first lady Miyuki Hatoyama and Japan's current first lady Akie Abe. However, the popularity of Korean entertainment exports has recently led to several instances of street protests and demonstrations involving hundreds of people. These protests were mostly organized by critics of Korean pop culture with the support of right-wing nationalists."

Historically the Japanese have looked down on Koreans. That's why (rumor has it) that the Gosashi Tomb was put off limits to foreign archaeologists, it looked like it would reveal ties between the Japanese royal family and Korea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gosashi_tomb

Of course Koreans have their own reasons for being upset with the Japanese, the colonial occupation being just one of the more recent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Japanese_sentiment_in_Korea

Anonymous Eric Ashley February 24, 2014 1:28 PM  

One theory goes you have Current Power (America), Rising Power (China or Russia), and Allied To Current Power (India). CP and RP cancel each other out leaving the Indians as the new CP.

Anonymous cheddarman February 24, 2014 1:28 PM  

2) The Petro-Dollar is nice but its days are numbered. The next big thing is what the bankers are actually interested in... and putin provides them a potential solution. - Nate

Nate, In your opinion, what is that? A currency backed up with tangible assets? Hot Russian chicks?

Sincerely

cheddarman

Anonymous Anonymous February 24, 2014 1:29 PM  

Is it just me or does dealing with Japan and China seem pretty simple? Tell Japan we won't back them in any way if they attack and tell China we'll consider our debts null and void if they attack our allie Japan. Of course this would require US leadership not having an interest in Japan vs. China...

Anonymous Azimus February 24, 2014 1:31 PM  

Nate February 24, 2014 10:19 AM
but I suppose the theory would be the russians themselves could've stirred up the instability as an excuse to send "peace keeping" forces.

Create crisis. Solve crisis. Increase credibility as world leader.


If that were true, then the next stage should be some kind of "Muslim Brotherhood" crackdown by the Western-led government on the Eastern provinces including some emotionally charged propaganda like "President [insert current West-Ukrainian here] gave his troops viagara so they could rape all the women", after which Putin lays a warm, fuzzy South Ossetia-like blanket over the east.

It's certainly plausible. It happened during the Olympics, which has worked out for Russia before (although the Georgians, I believe, initiated the fighting).

It is certainly obvious enough from the rapid and decisive nature of events that there are more than just Ukrainian hands in the cookie jar.

Blogger Outlaw X February 24, 2014 1:33 PM  

I simply don't think this Ukraine thing is that big a deal.

Putin does. Remember 08-08-08 summer Olympics when Georgia invaded South Ossettia and that big bear paw stomped down with tanks and moving in tactical nukes on the border forcing NATO and Cheney to back down.

Anonymous Anonymous February 24, 2014 1:34 PM  

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Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter February 24, 2014 1:41 PM  

"By US you mean the allied forces actually doing the work right? South East Asia was harsher than the European front and handled by the ANZACS. All America did was show up at the end and drop a big bomb on Japan."

Holy shit, Batman! Aussies believe their own bullshit.

Anonymous allyn71 February 24, 2014 1:42 PM  

Two things:

"1) There is no such thing as a US banker. There are only bankers. They don't have friends. They have interests.

2) The Petro-Dollar is nice but its days are numbered. The next big thing is what the bankers are actually interested in... and putin provides them a potential solution." - Nate February 24, 2014 11:58 AM


The petro-dollar is the sure thing though, they already did the hard work and rigged the system. The bankers have an interest in maintaining the status quo because they are dealing with known/controlled entities. Putin is a wild card and they don't have the same type of assurances with him, yet.

The petrodollar is on the way out, but there is still some wealth to milk out of the credit money, crack whore West before moving on.

Anonymous civilServant February 24, 2014 1:46 PM  

its just simple pattern recognition. People almost always over-estimate the historical ramifications of today's big story or conflict.

Agree with regard to "the latest story". But the long-term historical patterns here are not in their favor. Afghanistan on their border was a failure. Chechnya on their border was a bare gear-grinding success. Georgia on their border was a bare gear-grinding success. The Ukraine on their border and heavily populated by ethnic russians should have been very deeply secured in their favor but apparently it is not. Clearly they are not "ready for prime time" and are not "next up" except perhaps as a local power.

I simply don't think this Ukraine thing is that big a deal.

But Syria was?


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-20/ukraine-situation-explained-one-map


The PRC is very reminiscent of Wilhelmine Germany. Both were rising powers, both with a bit of a chip on their shoulders, both very demanding of tokens of respect and prestige ... there's a lot of bluff involved in their current aggressiveness.

No-one anywhere believed there was any bluff involved in Germany's capabilities. They were respected and feared. Chinese culture - asian culture in general - on the other hand celebrates deception and bluff.

Blogger Marissa February 24, 2014 1:53 PM  

By US you mean the allied forces actually doing the work right? South East Asia was harsher than the European front and handled by the ANZACS. All America did was show up at the end and drop a big bomb on Japan.

Looks like the Chinese are not only stealing your country, but also your intelligence.

111,000 dead or missing and another 253,000 wounded weren't "doing the work" according to you.

Anonymous RedJack February 24, 2014 1:53 PM  

ENthePeasant

I thought that also. But it also begs the question.

Will the Military stand down? I know some rather leftist people that suspect they won't.

Anonymous civilServant February 24, 2014 1:56 PM  

As an Aussie I am shit scared. Without the threat of US weapons behind us I expect China to take a quick left to secure their investment.

Certainly Japan Taiwan India and Malaysia would oppose such a move sufficiently to lend active support. And there is the issue of whether the PLA is even able to perform such an operation. And even were it to land one hundred thousand troops feeding and fueling and supporting them in the face of opposition is another matter entirely.

The petrodollar is on the way out

Here are the actual numbers.

https://www.bis.org/publ/rpfx13fx.pdf

Blogger Me Guerrero February 24, 2014 2:19 PM  

"Hoss... I hate to break it to ya... and to the Chinese apparently... but its to late. The median age of chinese women is 37.5 years."

Better late than never!

Anonymous RS February 24, 2014 2:29 PM  

Kind of OT: I've been looking for a link where Vox calculates his expected % of toxic assets or writedown % for TBTF banks. I'm almost sure Vox wrote it, but it could have been Denninger or from Zero Hedge. Does anyone happen ot have something like that bookmarked? Google is not helping. Thanks.

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter February 24, 2014 2:31 PM  

"Hoss... I hate to break it to ya... and to the Chinese apparently... but its to late. The median age of chinese women is 37.5 years."

You mean there is something like 350M females in China younger than 37.5 years old?

I wonder what the skew is. They could be pumping out lots of males now that the one-child policy seems to be on the chopping block.

Blogger James Dixon February 24, 2014 2:45 PM  

> What's worse: To owe trillions of dollar or to be owed trillions of dollars?

That depends on whether the bill is paid, now doesn't it?

> And now the Japanese are a bunch of otaku. I doubt they could do much of anything these days.

You sound like dh talking about Americans. He's wrong. So are you.

> Damn... can anyone recommend a good Vodka?

Not personally, but my wife really liked some Tito's she tried last year.

Blogger James Dixon February 24, 2014 2:56 PM  

> I wonder what the skew is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China

The section on the CIA world factbook figures should be useful to you.

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 24, 2014 3:09 PM  

"And as for the time-hallowed notion of "serving one's country", what country would one serve now? North Mexico? Israel? Melting Pottomia? Democracy?"

That's an easy one: The United States of America, people has it has been for generations by immigrants drawn here by the promise of freedom, self advancement and tolerance.

This promise really is alive and well.

There is no such thing as "North Mexico". And as far a Israel goes, no does or has signed up defend that country but rather to defend America and its mission to commit to its alliances.

But "Melting Pottomia" is funny.

Anonymous Noah B. February 24, 2014 3:12 PM  

"The United States of America, people has it has been for generations by immigrants drawn here by the promise of freedom, self advancement and tolerance."

Nigga please. The welfare state destroyed all that.

Anonymous VD February 24, 2014 3:34 PM  

That's an easy one: The United States of America, people has it has been for generations by immigrants drawn here by the promise of freedom, self advancement and tolerance.

Right. La Raza is here for tolerance. Tell that to the African-Americans fleeing their advance.

Anonymous Dan in Tx February 24, 2014 3:37 PM  

RE: Japan vs China
Nothing better mess up my source of subtitled anime or there will be hell to pay!

Anonymous George of the Jungle February 24, 2014 3:52 PM  

The original discussion seems to have been quickly sidetracked.

It is absurd to think that Japan will ever attack first. The post-war mindset and forces are simply not there. However, the more realistic scenario is actually very predictable.

Here's how it will go instead... China is currently looking for any excuse no matter how small, to place soldiers on the Senkakus. It could be as minor as Japan deciding to have five patrols per week past the islands instead of just two. China knows that the US, and by extension the Japanese, can do nothing at that point, unless they really want to attempt to land counteracting forces and engage the Chinese marines. Furthermore, if a US carrier attempts to move into position, the Chinese also know that their latest anti-ship missiles will put a very large hole into one very expensive carrier.

There is no way the US would fight in any case. In the event of such a move by the Chinese, the Affirmiative Action Pustule on the Ass-End of the Body Politic would do nothing more than emit banal teleprompter speeches about "both sides" needing to search for a "peaceful solution." At that point, of course, the whole of Asia will realize who they need to cozy up to, and will no longer be the US.

Anonymous A Plate of Shrimp February 24, 2014 3:53 PM  

"Logic might dictate such, though I can see a case being made that it will, in the end, be the USA."

Too late, pal. The USA is already gone. You can't be last man standing if you're already extinct. There is no longer any America, just a vast parking lot full of money-grubbing foreigners and maybe one more season of Duck Dynasty.

Anonymous A Plate of Shrimp February 24, 2014 3:57 PM  

China is looking to a) stir up nationalist frenzy in order to keep the frustrations of the people from turning inward, and b) looking to establish precedent for the big prize, which is Taiwan. But if they were wise enough to be patient, Taiwan will return to the fold naturally, so all this bluster is a giant waste of time.

btw, w/r/t China's allegedly aging population... China has over a billion people. It could lose 60% of its population and still be overcrowded. A nice hard melting reduction of their population would be the best thing that could happen to them.

Anonymous A Plate of Shrimp February 24, 2014 4:00 PM  

"All America did was show up at the end and drop a big bomb on Japan."

Aaaaaand, we have a winner for the Nobel Stupid Prize on this thread. In fact, that's so stunningly pigshit stupid, you win the Prize for the next ten threads, even if you don't comment.

Anonymous A Plate of Shrimp February 24, 2014 4:05 PM  

"The United States of America, people has it has been for generations by immigrants drawn here by the promise of freedom, self advancement and tolerance."

USA was peopled by WHITE immigrants etc etc. And they weren't looking for freedom, they were looking to settle down and make good in an incredibly prosperous place.

The USA is now peopled by sharp-elbowed mystery meat who didn't come here for freedom and don't give a shit about the American people or American ideals, they came here to get free stuff, and to loot the shit out of naïve imbeciles like you.

For the past ten years, the US has been fighting two wars. Take a stroll through the UCLA or UCI or Berkeley campus, and tell me what you see. It ain't Asians and Muslims proudly wearing their ROTC uniforms.

Anonymous George of the Jungle February 24, 2014 4:07 PM  

BTW, any successful military move by the Chinese might also be just the thing to trigger an economic crisis for the US dollar. The Affirmative Action Pustule on the Ass-End of the Body Politic can then go to bed with a smile on his face, knowing that he has fundamentally transformed the US by dragging it down to the bottom of that pit called equality. .

Blogger Tommy Hass February 24, 2014 4:24 PM  

"we just willing not do the things that need to done to win that sort of war -- which is kill every man, woman and child -- we can do it .. just won't."

No you can't actually. Even if you could, this would lead to a nuked USA and by extension, world.

Blogger Tommy Hass February 24, 2014 4:27 PM  

"Right. La Raza is here for tolerance. Tell that to the African-Americans fleeing their advance."

That's the shocking thing in all of it.

Blogger Tommy Hass February 24, 2014 4:28 PM  

"And as far a Israel goes, no does or has signed up defend that country but rather to defend America and its mission to commit to its alliances. "

Aaand the shabbos goy of the week award goes toooo....

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 24, 2014 4:30 PM  

"The USA is now peopled by sharp-elbowed mystery meat who didn't come here for freedom and don't give a shit about the American people or American ideals, they came here to get free stuff, and to loot the shit out of naïve imbeciles like you."

You are a cynic whose cynicism isn't backed up by reality. The "meat" you refer to are no different in their ambitions that the whites, blacks, Jews, Irish, Italian, Russians and others who have come before them. They are looking for something better in a place that promises something better.


"Right. La Raza is here for tolerance. Tell that to the African-Americans fleeing their advance."

La Raza...The "John Birchers" of the Latino community. Color me unimpressed.

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 24, 2014 4:32 PM  

"Aaand the shabbos goy of the week award goes toooo...."

Sometimes things are funny because they are true. This is funny because it's stupid.

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter February 24, 2014 4:37 PM  

"Furthermore, if a US carrier attempts to move into position, the Chinese also know that their latest anti-ship missiles will put a very large hole into one very expensive carrier."

Surely that will depend on how good their terminal guidance is and how good the anti-missile defense is.

Anonymous George of the Jungle February 24, 2014 4:45 PM  

If the history of warfare has taught us anything, it is that missiles are cheap. China has a lot of them, and many are satellite-guided. Aegis-class cruisers are expensive and by definition cannot be 100% effective, and the US can deploy only a few of them to protect a carrier.

Based on the above, the outcome is clear.

Anonymous Alexander February 24, 2014 4:51 PM  

The fact that you recognize that there is a distinct "Latino Community" means that whether or not part of them don't impress you is moot: there is a community that identifies first and foremost with its ethnic tribe than with the "ideological melting pot" or whatever ham-handed buzzword is supposed to stand for 'American' these days.

The "Latino Community" has no intention whatsoever of dissolving itself into a utopic mass of kumbaya-chanting multiculturalists. It has every intention of dominating (culturally and physically) an increasingly large geographic zone currently inhabited by people who are not members of the "Latino Community."

When white guilt is a useful fifth column to this end, they employ it (Oh, you stole Texas and California, those vast tracts nothingness that an infinitesimally tiny fraction of our ancestors were living in back in 1840!) But their continued expanse into Midwest and Deep South as well as northern cities show they are not content to stop at the old borders.

Not that I begrudge them it - they are doing what every self-recognized group throughout history has done, and I cannot fault them for successfully executing a winning strategy. Idiots like you, otoh...

Anonymous George of the Jungle February 24, 2014 5:00 PM  

Besides, the efficacy of a missile defense system is moot in this case, because the first consideration is the will to fight. To be successful you would also need to attack the source of the missiles using aircraft and etc. against the Chinese mainland. You can't do just one thing in response.

AAPAEBP would never do anything like that. He would never commit forces in the first place, and everybody and their poodle knows it.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic February 24, 2014 5:25 PM  

South East Asia was harsher than the European front and handled by the ANZACS. All America did was show up at the end and drop a big bomb on Japan.

Eh? The US was in up to its ears in a long, grueling and bloody island-hopping campaign against the Japanese right after Pearl Harbor that took four years to complete. Not to discount ANZACS-it's y'alls backyard after all-but this is the first I've heard anybody say the US just "showed up at the end and drop a big bomb" in the Pacific theater.

Anonymous Edjamacator February 24, 2014 5:31 PM  

Idiots like you, otoh...

Well, at least he's useful, right?

Anonymous A Plate of Shrimp February 24, 2014 5:41 PM  

"You are a cynic whose cynicism isn't backed up by reality."

And you are a genocidal psychopath. You're also a thief, since you wish to give away that which is not yours to give, to people who have no right to it.

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/02/24/parade-of-humiliations/

Anonymous civilServant February 24, 2014 6:03 PM  

The "Latino Community" ... has every intention of dominating (culturally and physically) an increasingly large geographic zone currently inhabited by people who are not members of the "Latino Community."

Yes and no. Yes as long as the free money exists. But as soon as the free money ceases they will leave. Equating them with a conquering army or even considering them to be immigrants is simply false. They lack the skills and culture and society to sustain themselves permanently here or in Mexico or anywhere. They only thing sustaining their presence here is American welfare spending. They are migrants and nothing more.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic February 24, 2014 6:22 PM  

They only thing sustaining their presence here is American welfare spending. They are migrants and nothing more.

They've been in the US at least 4 generations and aren't going anywhere.

I live in Atlanta. We are up to our eyeballs with Aztecs and their broods. The fact that they work hard for beans is way surpassed by the costs of their three anchor babies, incompetent work, lowered wages, crowded, breaking infrastructure, low living standards, and on and on. Those guys working hard in their 30's will be physically broken and claiming disability and worker's comp by their late 40's. Their kids will follow in their footsteps with ZERO innovation or improvements. They haven't budged on the socio-economic ladder in 400 years.

I think people outside the Sunbelt have no idea of the scale of this invasion and how trashy and crooked this Indio-mestizo culture is. We have made a horrible mistake importing these people.

Anonymous Idle Hitler February 24, 2014 6:36 PM  

When white guilt is a useful fifth column to this end, they employ it (Oh, you stole Texas and California, those vast tracts nothingness that an infinitesimally tiny fraction of our ancestors were living in back in 1840!) But their continued expanse into Midwest and Deep South as well as northern cities show they are not content to stop at the old borders.

Maybe instead of giving them free welfare, we could... you know, just kill them instead?

Anonymous Idle Spectator February 24, 2014 6:37 PM  

SHUT UP HITLER. This is not a HATE site.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2014 6:45 PM  

"But Syria was?"

Not really. Syria was just Russia protecting its natural gas interests in the EU. It proved Russia wasn't nobody. It didn't prove Russia was The Next Big Thing.

Anonymous civilServant February 24, 2014 7:16 PM  

Already, the US finds itself unable to impose its will upon China.

"Already"? The United States has been unable to impose its will upon China since the overthrow of Chiang Kai-shek. China supplanted Taiwan on the U.N. Security Council long ago. The Korean War was fought to a draw and still remains in effect. What exactly is the scope of your statement here?

The world's second-rate powers can't stand directly against the USA yet, but they know the time is rapidly approaching when they will be able to do so.

By the time the world's second tier powers are able to stand directly against the United States it is difficult to envision them standing at all.

Blogger Baloo February 24, 2014 7:33 PM  

Good one. Reblogged and quibcagged here:
http://ex-army.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-obama-doctrine.html

Blogger V February 24, 2014 8:34 PM  

A good friend of mine and former Naval crypto told me back in 2000 that if another global conflict were to raise it's head, it'd be over the Spratly/ Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands. Here it comes...

Anonymous A. Nonymous February 24, 2014 8:44 PM  

Good one. Reblogged and quibcagged here:

I know it's just giving credit where credit's due, but I'm really getting sick and tired of seeing that...

Blogger Nate February 24, 2014 9:23 PM  

"They've been in the US at least 4 generations and aren't going anywhere."

Bullshit.

Alabama passed a very mild law... and one friday night highschool football teams all over the state were taking the field without their kickers.

Mexicans bailed.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein February 24, 2014 9:27 PM  

Remember, it only took 22 years for Germany to go from laying prostrate and defeated before the Western Allies to defeating France.

Most, if not all, accomplished in only 8-10 years before rolling through France.

Anonymous Shut Up, Nate (and his pals, too) February 24, 2014 9:35 PM  

“Russians expect misery. Its not that they admitted their government was a fiasco. It never occurred to them that their government could be something other than a fiasco.”



Cite specific evidence or retract your claim.


“People almost always over-estimate the historical ramifications of today's big story or conflict.”



Southron actually said something intelligent. Really, China wants to take over a handful of uninhabited rocks between Japan and Taiwan? And Chinese citizens are on board with their military actually following through on a threat? Because manhood at stake.

I’ll believe it when I read about in Pravda.


“Russian tanks can roll into the Ukraine as easily as they recently did in Georgia.”



And face a bloody civil war in the process, complete with EU and/or United Nations sanctions to boot, given Ukriane’s positioning? Possible, but unlikely, given Putin’s yeomen work in making Russia relevant again in geo-politics.


“'Cause Truman was too much of a *pussy wimp* to let MacArthur go in there and blow out those Commie bastards!”

Right, because the American people in the early 1950‘s were completely on board to risk nuclear holocaust over a second-world country. Suggestion --> never go full Asher.

“USA was peopled by WHITE immigrants etc etc. And they weren't looking for freedom”



First, then how did those darkies arrive to “our” shores???
Second, the Puritans arrived to escape British rule and establish their own churches. Apparently, you must have missed this elementary history lesson.


“Furthermore, if a US carrier attempts to move into position, the Chinese also know that their latest anti-ship missiles will put a very large hole into one very expensive carrier.”

And starting World War III over a two-bit piece of property. Thanks for the introspective look.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic February 24, 2014 9:49 PM  

Alabama passed a very mild law... and one friday night highschool football teams all over the state were taking the field without their kickers.

Mexicans bailed.


Alabama managing to shift its illegal Mexican population to bordering States will make zero difference in the long run.

Anonymous CX February 24, 2014 10:12 PM  

Where is the link to the original qianzhan.com story? I can't find it, and someone posted on zerohedge.com that he can't find it, either.

Though this shouldn't affect VP much if at all, especially as a VPN is required to access VP inside China, for everyone's reference:
http://chinadailymail.com/2012/11/23/chinas-government-hires-people-to-distort-web-conversations/

Anonymous A Plate of Shrimp February 24, 2014 10:12 PM  

"Apparently, you must have missed this elementary history lesson."

The Puritans were not immigrants; they were settlers and colonists, (and later, arguably, conquerors). Immigrants are people who show up later, after a place has been settled and colonized. And blacks, of course, were not immigrants either, famously.

Do you think the Muslim armies of the 8th century "immigrated" into Egypt and North Africa and Spain?

Careful who shriek at about history, bozo.

Now back to your hot dog stand.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic February 24, 2014 10:12 PM  

First, then how did those darkies arrive to “our” shores???

Greedy whites wanting to lower the cost of labor, just like today.

Blogger Baloo February 24, 2014 11:00 PM  

A. Nonymous, tell me a better way to get the word out and I'll do it that way. It seems wrong somehow to do it without such a notification.

Anonymous A. Nonymous February 24, 2014 11:41 PM  

It seems wrong somehow to do it without such a notification.

Granted, but the way you structure these notifications here and at iSteve tends to end up making them look rather like the spam posts that sometimes show up at the bottom of an Alpha Game comment thread. You know, "Great post! Please buy my product", and all that sort of thing.

No, I don't have any constructive suggestions as to how to do it otherwise. I've just had a very long day.

Anonymous Shut Up, Nate (and his pals, too) February 24, 2014 11:48 PM  

"The Puritans were not immigrants; they were settlers and colonists."

You got your clock cleaned when I simply mentioned that they sought freedom. You are just itching to another intellectual beating. The Puritans migrated from England "as a service to the Church of great consequence to carry the Gospel into those parts of the world". They were immigrants in that Massachusetts had long been settled by natives, and these newcomers arrived for several decades from nearly every English county.


"Do you think the Muslim armies of the 8th century "immigrated" into Egypt and North Africa and Spain?"

Not in the classical sense, but they moved into a region inhabited by other groups of people, displaced them, and settled there. Refrain from binary thinking, it's gamma like.

Anonymous Shut Up, Nate (and his pals, too) February 24, 2014 11:49 PM  

"Greedy whites wanting to lower the cost of labor, just like today."

Greedy Christian male whites. Get it right the first time.

Blogger JDC February 25, 2014 12:20 AM  

And face a bloody civil war in the process, complete with EU and/or United Nations sanctions to boot,

Na...the U.N. is too busy policing Uganda and Russia for violations against gays, and for not properly protecting them from being butt-hurt. Ironically, on that specific issue, the gays don't seem to be too upset. Not enough time to threaten sanctions for something as silly as military intervention.

Anonymous George of the Jungle February 25, 2014 2:58 AM  

"And starting World War III over a two-bit piece of property. Thanks for the introspective look."

You're quite welcome.

How often do you suspend your reading and thinking? I stated quite clearly that the Affirmative Action Pustule on the Ass-End of the Body Politic (I bet that little verity makes you mad, doesn't it? Are you responsible for your own feelings?) will never go to war over it, WWIII or otherwise. Also, in spite of your narrative-driven fantasyland, the Chinese are quite serious about ALL their contended rocks, including not only Japan's but also South Korea's and the Philippines'. For example, they have lately instituted an air defense zone over the Senkakus, which means they are stepwise ramping up their aggressive tactics. BTW, there is a good chance of oil fields in the surrounding seabeds.

Keep up with reality much lately?

Anonymous George of the Jungle February 25, 2014 3:09 AM  

Also BTW, if the Chinese fire missiles at a US carrier that is simply cruising by the area, please tell me again WHO is trying to start a war? Is it the US? Is it aliens? Please let me know when you figure it all out.

Anonymous George of the Jungle February 25, 2014 3:17 AM  

Ever hear about a fait accompli? (This just gets better and better). The Chinese know the limits of US resolve, and they also know that a military seizure of these islands will state quite plainly to Asia, Australia, and the rest of the world about which country is now the dominant world power in control of the region.

You DON'T think there will be any consequences to the US? No, your memes and narratives trump not only any logical attempt at reasoning, but also any responsibility for what happens after the policies you support are enacted. Meanwhile, the rest of us have to live with the ensuing chaos and misery.

Anonymous Mohammed February 25, 2014 4:10 AM  

"First, then how did those darkies arrive to “our” shores??? "

After white slavery was outlawed greedy whites bought darkies of other greedy darkies.

One important thing everyone is overlooking is what muslims will do when shit starts. Expect them to start claiming as much land as they can. America will be too busy fighting external enemies to see the subtle conquering of its cities until its too late.

Anonymous A Plate of Shrimp February 25, 2014 8:56 AM  

"Refrain from binary thinking, it's gamma like."

The thing that's gamma like is a weakling unilaterally declaring victory for himself. That gets done by the scoreboard, the referee, or the studio audience, not by you.

But I'm not going to insult you with zany Greek letters denoting an obscure and non-giggle-proof taxonomy, I'm going to actually insult you.

You're a smug, ignorant, bitter little chimp. Your argument is imbecilic, and isn't even really an argument, just a stroll through Wikipedia accompanied by shrieking. You haven't understood my argument in the slightest and therefore are incapable of rebutting it, and your grasp of history is comical. One doesn't argue with a chimp.

Now take off that stupid mortarboard, it doesn't make you look smart; put your funny little derby back on, and get back to your hot dog stand. I must say, the sight of a monkey peddling hot dogs always cheers me up.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic February 25, 2014 9:48 AM  

Greedy Christian male whites. Get it right the first time.

Mark Zuckerburg and David Gelbaum are Jewish, you hateful bigot.

Anonymous Shut Up, Nate (and his pals, too) February 25, 2014 9:26 PM  

“Keep up with reality much lately?”

It’s rather challenging given the immutable fact that you keep dreaming and switching hands. As Southron Nate pointed out, we tent to “overestimate the historical ramifications” of such actions. Do the Chinese have the guts to pull the trigger after 40 years of posturing and fronting? Oh so, so serious are we Chinese, we take islands away from fellow slopes.

Can’t wait for the “Breaking News” edition from Pravda that reports on this looming crisis and how ‘Murica does not have the stomach to contest Chinese authority in the South Pacific.


“Affirmative Action Pustule on the Ass-End of the Body Politic”

A wise man once said, "Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance."


“there is a good chance of oil fields in the surrounding seabeds.”

Quite possible. The territorial disputes, however, have prevented any reliable survey.


“but also any responsibility for what happens after the policies you support are enacted.”



Soothsayer, are you. Honey, please tell me what policies I support and how those policies are the cause for your miserable existence.


“Mark Zuckerburg and David Gelbaum are Jewish, you hateful bigot.”

These guys brought over the porch monkeys from Africa in the 1600’s to work
in the fields? Wow, Mr. Wizard, tell us more!


“But I'm not going to insult you with zany Greek letters denoting an obscure and non-giggle-proof taxonomy, I'm going to actually insult you.”

Duly noted. But going full Asher does nothing to counter my argument that the Puritans were immigrants. That is, a group of people desiring to live permanently in a foreign country, who reasonably can an intention of dominating that land politically, economically, and socially. Some Puritans sought to take advantage of the natural resources found in Massachusetts, others insisted that Christian values ought to be taught to the “savages” through peaceful means. Within this context, the term “immigrant” is appropriate.

My investigation was indeed cursory given your sterile comment on this matter. Furthermore, your juvenile rant only proves my point that you’re a gamma who resorts to this tactic as a measure to make yourself feel better.

Anonymous A Plate of Shrimp February 26, 2014 3:43 AM  

Your reply is boring. Also still wrong, alas. Also unfunny and repetitive. Sucks to be you.

Anonymous Shut Up, Nate (and his pal, too) February 26, 2014 9:08 PM  

Exactly the retort I expected from an individual who has to save face given the undeniable fact that he/she/it was taken to the woodshed. Please, by all means, continue with your farce.

Anonymous A Plate of Shrimp February 26, 2014 9:43 PM  

Like I said before........................ Still sucks to be you. Also sucks to be so stuuuupidly wrong. Like, um, who am I thinking of....? Oh yes, that's right, now I remember! You. That suck must roolly hurt.

Oh and p.s., you're still an ignorant douche. Some conditions are incurable, whaddaya gonna do..........

Now please, insult me with the Greek alphabet, dood, I'm feckin tremblin.........

Or maybe you could just get on back to your hot dog cart. Algebraic! My frend, that water ain't been changed for weeeeeeeeks!

Look to it.

Anonymous Shut Up, Nate (and his pal, too) February 26, 2014 11:05 PM  

Stercorem pro cerebro habes.

Finis...

Anonymous A Plate of Shrimp February 27, 2014 6:56 AM  

Aw, ain't that cute. Our little Graeculus histrio found some Latin on Google. He looks so smart in his cute little mortarboard! And the bow tie is adorable, too.

"Finis"

Gratia deo.

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