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Friday, July 18, 2014

11 Tenets of Progressivism

What is it with lefties and their love for manifestos? Elizabeth Warren outlines what she defines as the core tenets of progressivism:
- "We believe that Wall Street needs stronger rules and tougher enforcement, and we're willing to fight for it."
- "We believe in science, and that means that we have a responsibility to protect this Earth."
- "We believe that the Internet shouldn't be rigged to benefit big corporations, and that means real net neutrality."
- "We believe that no one should work full-time and still live in poverty, and that means raising the minimum wage."
- "We believe that fast-food workers deserve a livable wage, and that means that when they take to the picket line, we are proud to fight alongside them."
- "We believe that students are entitled to get an education without being crushed by debt."
- "We believe that after a lifetime of work, people are entitled to retire with dignity, and that means protecting Social Security, Medicare, and pensions."
- "We believe—I can't believe I have to say this in 2014—we believe in equal pay for equal work."
- "We believe that equal means equal, and that's true in marriage, it's true in the workplace, it's true in all of America."
- "We believe that immigration has made this country strong and vibrant, and that means reform."
- "And we believe that corporations are not people, that women have a right to their bodies.
  1. And yet, they're not willing to end Wall Street's monopoly. One observes that by this definition, President Goldman Sachs is no progressive.
  2. That's nice and all, but science does not mean we have a responsibility to protect this Earth anymore than it means that we have a reponsibility to make the hajj.
  3. Can't argue with that. It seems I'm a progressive!
  4. Actually, I'm fine with this. Raising the minimum wage is a de facto anti-immigration measure. Two for four!
  5. Isn't this covered in (4)?
  6. So she'll be permitting defaults on college loan debt and getting the government out of the college loan business? I'm all for that, but I'm guessing that's not quite what she had in mind.
  7. Good luck with that. Do the math.
  8. Great. So am I. Get rid of maternity leave and "sick" days and require equal work and equal hours for equal pay. Deal?
  9. So, progressives are against pro-female family courts? I am skeptical.
  10. Progressives are pro-vibrancy. That's hardly news. And here we see the intrinsic incoherence of progressivism. You can't have more immigrants and a higher minimum wage. See: Adam Smith.
  11. Good luck with that. Corporations are juridical people, as per the Supreme Court. And women obviously don't have any right to their bodies or they could sell title in them or shoot up heroin while naked in public having sex for money.
A more straightforward version: Progressives favor corporate regulation, environmentalism, free Internet, minimum wages, unions, public education, subsidizing old people, women in the workforce, gays, immigration, and abortion.

UPDATE: As is his wont, John C. Wright not only translates the ProgSprache into plain American, but sums it up in a beautifully brutal manner.
To sum up, translating all this from bafflegab and craptalk to English, it means three things (1) the Left are parochial, and only regard the issues of the current news cycle as being principles (2) the Left hates civilization and all its institutions (3) the Left hates the Catholic Church, and will destroy itself attempting to destroy her.

Regarding this last point, allow me to say on behalf of the one, true, catholic and apostolic Church that better men than you, leftwing nutbag, far better men, such as the potent and remorseless Imperators of Rome tried that.

We are here. They are gone. Soon — as we count time — you will be gone.

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113 Comments:

Anonymous PA July 18, 2014 4:06 PM  

All this talk of dignity and rights and working folks ... she'd fart in shock if you said that the right to community is not just for the rich and therefore you believe in racial segregation.

Blogger Trust July 18, 2014 4:09 PM  

Unfortunately, I think Warren is going to be 2016's Obama.

Anonymous Mr. Nightstick July 18, 2014 4:17 PM  

When are you ever gonna publish a National Libertarian platform?

Anonymous Brother Thomas July 18, 2014 4:17 PM  

What about END THE FED?... oh yeah, stupid question... if she believed that, she would never have been selected for her current political position in the first place.

Anonymous Salt July 18, 2014 4:19 PM  

And women obviously don't have any right to their bodies or they could sell title in them or shoot up heroin while naked in public having sex for money

I think there's an issue with the public part, but other than that you're spot on..

Anonymous Peter Pan July 18, 2014 4:19 PM  

Heh. Vox always sums up so nicely.

Anonymous bob k. mando July 18, 2014 4:22 PM  

#4 is only "anti-immigration" if you start imposing harsh penalties on companies that hire illegals. especially the ones ( citrus fields, seasonal pickers, large butchering operations ) that do it en masse.


hey, how's the enforcement of the laws on the border working?

yeah.

so, without the enforcement of border or hiring laws, the only thing min-wage hikes do is artificially drive up demand and wages for illegal aliens.

oh, and drive demand for mechanical burger flippers:
http://momentummachines.com/

Blogger Sherwood family July 18, 2014 4:24 PM  

Actually, I am okay with manifestos. That way everyone knows what the basic ideologies of the organizations that publish them are. Of course, political entities are not likely to adhere to an ideology unless doing so is 1) a tenet of their "religous dogma" or 2) it is helpful in getting the useful idiots to keep signing up so they will continue to vote them into power. It's like the immigration part of this manifesto. There are two groups of "progressives": those that support immigration because they drank the kool-aid about "huddled masses yearning to breathe free" and those that believe that they are securing a vast horde of future loyal constituents. Sometimes they are the same but it seems at the highest political levels it is more a cynical exercise in capturing future votes and they use the idiotic fellow travelers as shock troops to keep things moving in the right direct.

Anonymous the bandit July 18, 2014 4:25 PM  

I don't think progressives speaking about "net neutrality" mean "a free Internet."

Anonymous Harsh July 18, 2014 4:29 PM  

"Gimme your stuff" seems to be the gist of it.

Blogger James Dixon July 18, 2014 4:30 PM  

> ...Unfortunately, I think Warren is going to be 2016's Obama.

This is effectively her opening campaign platform, yes

And why shouldn't she be, she does claim to be a "native american" after all. After having the first black President, isn't it about time we had one of them.

She's going to try, at any rate. With the Clinton machine in full battle mode, look for an unfortunate plane crash during one of her campaign trips.

Blogger James Dixon July 18, 2014 4:31 PM  

Rats, the sarcasm tags didn't come through. :(

Blogger Sherwood family July 18, 2014 4:32 PM  

I second Mr. Nightstick. Any chance of seeing a National Libertarian platform? Just for the fun of comparing.

Blogger Crowhill July 18, 2014 4:32 PM  

I've always been against a national minimum wage for several reasons, but the main two are (1) it's silly to think that the same wage should apply in New York and Toledo, and (2) I think it hurts the very people it's trying to help.

However, I think there is some merit in finding a way to ensure that a rising tide actually does lift all boats. I sometimes suspect that we are at a point where innovations and increased efficiency only help the corporation and not the worker, and I wonder if there is a sensible way to counteract that.

You know far more about this sort of thing that I do. Do you think it's a good idea to ensure that increasing prosperity helps everyone, and if so, how would you do it?

Anonymous Peter Pan July 18, 2014 4:34 PM  

By the way, someone please explain to me why raising the minimum wage is a "de facto anti-immigration measure." I'm not sure that I understand the reasoning behind that statement. Businesses hire illegals because they don't have to pay them as much, but do they still follow wage laws when hiring illegals? Or do they ignore wage laws just like they ignore the laws about hiring illegal immigrants and pay the illegals wages below the mandated minimum?

If the latter, then raising minimum wage does squat. If the former, then what? Will businesses really, actively search out American citizens because minimum wages are so high and they want "more" for their money? Or is that too much to hope for? Or is there something I'm missing entirely?

Anonymous Earl July 18, 2014 4:35 PM  

I am for family planning. It goes like this: keep it in your pants until you've planned for having a family.

Anonymous map July 18, 2014 4:38 PM  

Ah, yes, the platform of Fauxcohontas Socilista. None of what she wants its achievable if she supports immigration.

Anonymous YIH July 18, 2014 4:40 PM  

- "We believe that the Internet shouldn't be rigged to benefit big corporations, and that means real net neutrality."
[snip]
3. Can't argue with that. It seems I'm a progressive!

What does that even mean? Karl Denninger has his take on that (companies such as Netflix pay according to what they use) or the common ''government shouldn't play 'net nanny' based on content'' opinion.

Anonymous Noah B. July 18, 2014 4:42 PM  

I see the "net neutrality" talk from the left as a red herring. Isn't the sanctity of contracts more important than "net neutrality?" The only reason the left cares about this issue at all is that they see it as a path toward censoring speech on the internet.

Anonymous DrTorch July 18, 2014 4:42 PM  

Wow, this is pathetic, even for a Harvard "scholar". It's myopic, lacking in depth of meaning both in the words used and any real effect, and temporal on the scale of true ADD. In short, it lacks presence in any and all dimensions.

Blogger Jourdan July 18, 2014 4:45 PM  

What is interesting to me is that there is a LOT of room here to ally Warren's Jeffersonians with middle-class Jacksonians in order to remove the current Wilsonian-Hamiltonian monster USG has become. There is quite a bit there that European-American nationalists can work with. (As VD noted in his comments to the list)

Anonymous Noah B. July 18, 2014 4:45 PM  

Wow, this is pathetic, even for a Harvard "scholar".

Laughably bad. Is this the first political manifesto in world history to have better wages for fast food workers as one of its major ideological underpinnings?

Anonymous WaterBoy July 18, 2014 4:48 PM  

"We believe that the Internet shouldn't be rigged to benefit big corporations, and that means real net neutrality"

Great. Is this going to then also apply to big corporations like Google and Yahoo, who serve up premium adverts at the top of their search results? Or is it only going to be used to prevent ISPs from throttling back non-premium content, as is often decried?

After all, neutral is neutral, amiright?

Blogger Quadko July 18, 2014 4:50 PM  

...In short, it lacks presence in any and all dimensions.
So, we conclude it was probably written by a politician.

Anonymous Logo July 18, 2014 4:51 PM  

We believe that Wall Street needs stronger rules and tougher enforcement, and we're willing to fight for it.

Fight as in actually fight, or fight as in complain, vote for prog politicians, and then look the other way when all the shiny new rules and enforcement only help to further consolidate wealth in the hands of the wealthy few?

We believe in science, and that means that we have a responsibility to protect this Earth.

The one does not follow from the other. How do responsibilities stem by necessity from the belief in an abstract concept?

We believe that no one should work full-time and still live in poverty, and that means raising the minimum wage.

How does a higher minimum wage curb poverty? And what about all the poor part-time workers?

We believe that fast-food workers deserve a livable wage, and that means that when they take to the picket line, we are proud to fight alongside them.

Again with the fighting. Elizabeth Warren, down on the ground when the police start firing at the picketers, she'll personally lead the final charge of the oppressed that will topple capitalism and bring about the glorious worker's paradise.

We believe that immigration has made this country strong and vibrant, and that means reform.

Because what worked with certain kinds of immigrants in circumstances of the past will surely work with other kinds of immigrants in the circumstances of the present.

And we believe that corporations are not people, that women have a right to their bodies.

Those two clauses express two unrelated thoughts. Shouldn't these be points 11 and 12?

Anonymous Northern Observer July 18, 2014 4:51 PM  

"And we believe that corporations are not people, that women have a right to their bodies."

Why are these two ideas lumped together?

Anonymous WaterBoy July 18, 2014 4:53 PM  

Logo: "Those two clauses express two unrelated thoughts. Shouldn't these be points 11 and 12?"

I believe it's a reference to the Hobby Lobby contraception case.

Blogger Jourdan July 18, 2014 4:53 PM  

Sigh...perhaps because the SCt just ruled that closely-held corporations owned by people of particular religious beliefs have those beliefs infringed upon by certain sections of the Obamacare act which mandates certain abortificant coverage? You may have heard of the case, it was all over the news for about three weeks or so.

Blogger Jourdan July 18, 2014 4:54 PM  

I suppose I agree with much of it because I'm a bit of a socialist.

But I'm also a nationalist.

There should be some term to describe people like me....

Anonymous kh123 July 18, 2014 4:56 PM  

Still trying to figure out how negating corporate personhood got mashed in with abortion on point #11.

...Oh, wait, the new euphemism: The hours weren't working out, so I left my last pregnancy.

Anonymous bob k. mando July 18, 2014 5:01 PM  

concerning Sheryl Crow:
the article asserts that she likes to date "equally famous" men.


uhhhhh. Sheryl Crow was never more than a middling pop star. she's never had a single hit #1.

Eric Clapton is an undisputed guitar god who's been making music since the 60s and has multiple #1 ALBUMS.

Lance Armstrong, at the time, was the best bicyclist the world had ever seen.

Owen Wilson is the only one mentioned who was approx her co-equal. and he made her "dim her light" so much that he ... got her her first acting gig in a movie?


okay, Sheryl.

Anonymous WaterBoy July 18, 2014 5:03 PM  

That is to say:

1. Corporations are people.
2. People have religious beliefs; ergo, corporations have religious beliefs.
3. People cannot be forced to go against their religious beliefs re: contraception; ergo, corporations cannot be forced to go against their religious beliefs re: contraception
4. Women's bodies are their own; ergo, contraception is a medical right for which corporations should pay, as they do with other medical benefits.

By denying (1) and affirming (4), this tenet is merely an attempt to overturn SCOTUS in re Hobby Lobby.

As Vox noted, Good Luck With That.

Anonymous Logo July 18, 2014 5:07 PM  

I believe it's a reference to the Hobby Lobby contraception case.

I know that. But the only reason I know that is because I've seen progressives rambling on about how the Hobby Lobby decision was wrong because it treats corporations like people and lets them control women's bodies.

In my comment I was feigning naivete for the purpose of criticism, to illustrate how a person who is unfamiliar with the prog position on this issue might happen to take her comment. She sticks up two dots, does nothing to connect them, and to someone unfamiliar with her peculiar ideological clique, they will seem like two random, unrelated ideas, and be left puzzling at why they are put there together like that ... which actually seems to have already happened.

Blogger Jourdan July 18, 2014 5:11 PM  

Anyone following politics at even a basic level would know that is a direct reference to the recent SCt case and a call to overturn it.

Anonymous bob k. mando July 18, 2014 5:12 PM  

"And we believe that corporations are not people, that women have a right to their bodies."


Northern Observer July 18, 2014 4:51 PM
Why are these two ideas lumped together?




because corporations have a right to women's bodies?

alternatively, women have a right to the bodies of corporations which are not people.




Jourdan July 18, 2014 4:54 PM
There should be some term to describe people like me....



welp, at least you're honest about it.

Anonymous WaterBoy July 18, 2014 5:24 PM  

Logo: "In my comment I was feigning naivete"

An Oscar-worthy performance, sir!

Anonymous Joseph Dooley July 18, 2014 5:33 PM  

5. Isn't this covered in (4)?

She had to make it 11 points so it wouldn't be compared with the Ten Commandments--which actually would have been apropos, given these are basically tenets of her faith.

Blogger John Wright July 18, 2014 5:36 PM  

My reaction to Warren's 11 Commandment is different from Vox Day's and considerably more cynical. I think he is giving her too much credit.

http://www.scifiwright.com/2014/07/the-devils-dictionary/

Blogger Tommy Hass July 18, 2014 5:46 PM  

"We believe—I can't believe I have to say this in 2014—we believe in equal pay for equal work."

Gas this cunt.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet July 18, 2014 5:53 PM  

Vox,

Her choice of formatting might merely be due to the popularity of lists on the Internet, they being one of the easier to digest forms on the go and often read/skimmed.

Don't you view history as progressive too with your notions of Western success?

Anonymous VD July 18, 2014 5:59 PM  

Don't you view history as progressive too with your notions of Western success?

No. I view it as cyclical.

Blogger Weouro July 18, 2014 6:14 PM  

"Equal work for equal pay." That's an idea I can get behind.

Blogger Eric July 18, 2014 6:35 PM  

Raising the minimum wage is a de facto anti-immigration measure.

No it isn't. Based on what I see in California, all it means is companies prefer to hire illegals.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 18, 2014 6:35 PM  

Unfortunately, I think Warren is going to be 2016's Obama.

I reserve doubts on this point.

Obama was like Hitler or Nasser, essentially a product of the crowd. The blank canvas upon which you are invited to paint all of your hopes and dreams. Warren is not. She is a product of the East Coast university system and everyone knows it. Worse still, she has a voting record.Something Obama avoided like the plague.

As much as white upper class liberals (and people who aspire to be white upper class liberals) are in love with Warren, African Americans, Hispanics et all simply are not. The demographics don't support her.

Warren is basically, Hillary with a Clean Record, so far as liberals are concerned.

There is no GOP president in disgrace, so 2016 simply cannot be a Wave Year for the Democrats.

Yes, Fauxcahontas thinks she has a chance at the Brass Ring. So does Joe Biden. Stop worrying about her.

Anonymous bob k. mando July 18, 2014 6:37 PM  

Tommy Hass July 18, 2014 5:46 PM
Gas this cunt.
T


that's what a Dutch Oven is for. you just volunteered.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dutch%20oven

Blogger Nate July 18, 2014 6:38 PM  

"Progressives are pro-vibrancy. That's hardly news. And here we see the intrinsic incoherence of progressivism. You can't have more immigrants and a higher minimum wage. See: Adam Smith."

Not to pick to many nits... but this is just blatantly false... or at least... its only true when a sane immigration policy is maintained and border security matters. Minimum wage means nothing to those hiring illegals... and raising it only gives them more motivation to do so... and gives the illegals more motivation to come work.

Anonymous Noah B. July 18, 2014 6:45 PM  

When government creates regulations that oppose the simple law of supply and demand, those regulations fail one way or another. If minimum wages are raised higher than the market demand, that failure takes the form of people taking jobs off the books for less than the official minimum wage.

Blogger James Sullivan July 18, 2014 6:49 PM  

"Wow, this is pathetic, even for a Harvard "scholar".

Laughably bad. Is this the first political manifesto in world history to have better wages for fast food workers as one of its major ideological underpinnings?"

Well... What with so many good jobs being sent overseas and the general fattening up of the national...herd, Fast Food will become one of the few jobs not going anywhere.

Until it's served by robots or dropped from airplanes in crates to feed the starving masses in what used to be the greatest nation in history.

Anonymous Stilicho July 18, 2014 7:05 PM  

Mr. Wright: the left does not hate the RCC anymore than they hate any Christian church that sincerely follows God. Hate for such churches is a derivative hate. Leftists will even embrace churches that follow non-biblical teachings such as social justice theology. What they truly hate is God.

Anonymous Logo July 18, 2014 7:06 PM  

WaterBoy: An Oscar-worthy performance, sir!

*bows deeply, to mad applause*

Blogger Hermit July 18, 2014 7:19 PM  

Well women may have rights on their bodies but not on their unborn children bodies and lives.

Also destroying the church, they only have to try. Christianity victory is writteng with the blood of martyrs, persecutions makes religion stronger.

Anonymous Beau July 18, 2014 7:36 PM  

Pro-abortion demonstrator: "You guys are history!"

Me: "We survived the fall of Rome. We'll survive you."

Anonymous FP July 18, 2014 7:36 PM  

"And we believe that corporations are not people, that women have a right to their bodies."

Tell that to Johnny Boy Roberts and his Taco Supreme Court. They ruled the gov can tax and own everyone's bodies via the healthcare mandate. Why are women's reproductive rights so sacred Ms. Warren? So much for "equality".

Anonymous Amok Time July 18, 2014 7:42 PM  

"We believe that students are entitled to get an education without being crushed by debt."

Hmmm,,,,Let me think on this one a bit. Didn't she, as an affirmative action professor, suckle on the teat of the University? She made a wonderful salary that had to be paid for by student fees. Can her student supporters not see this hypocrisy of hers? Progressives really aren't too bright.

Anonymous EH July 18, 2014 7:46 PM  

On Wright's cheerleading for the Church of Rome:

It's factually inaccurate to call the Roman Church "Catholic"; it is not universal (which is that "catholic" means) and the same title is claimed by other churches. Also the Roman Church split off from the several Orthodox patriarchates due to lust for power. The Orthodox churches maintain the original liturgy and form of worship which the Romans have abandoned. The desire for power is also why the Roman Church stopped allowing priests to marry - this allowed the Church to take inheritances of priests. Popes and cardinals regularly flouted the rule for celibacy until the Reformation, and the policy has led to many homosexuals in the clergy.

Anonymous Porky July 18, 2014 7:49 PM  

Ooh. Her top 10 list goes to 11.

Blogger Joe A. July 18, 2014 7:50 PM  

"The government should force others to give me what I consider politically correct to have and also force their behavior in general based on my politically correct views "

Blogger Tommy Hass July 18, 2014 7:53 PM  

"Until it's served by robots or dropped from airplanes in crates to feed the starving masses in what used to be the greatest nation in history."

.......sigh

Being the dominant superpower of the recent western world does not make you the "greatest nation in history" any more than a SW .357 makes a 16 year old boy superior to a Roman legionaire.

Anonymous Godfrey July 18, 2014 7:55 PM  

EH July 18, 2014 7:46 PM
On [EH's] cheerleading for the Orthodox churches.

The Orthodox churches split from the RC for political reasons.

Blogger Tommy Hass July 18, 2014 8:00 PM  

What truly bothers me is that people who seek to debunk the pay gap lie, try to do so by pointing out hours worked, maternity leave, etc but not the bigger elephant in the room: PROFESSION.

Anonymous Wanderer July 18, 2014 8:01 PM  

"Tell that to Johnny Boy Roberts and his Taco Supreme Court. They ruled the gov can tax and own everyone's bodies via the healthcare mandate."

Except for US Territories where Administrative fiat has decided that different rules apply.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 18, 2014 8:10 PM  

"We believe that fast-food workers deserve a livable wage, and that means that when they take to the picket line, we are proud to fight alongside them."

Wait, I thought science said fast food was bad for you? So aren't these fast food workers contributing to health care problems? Shouldn't they be put in prison for making kids fat? Or don't we believe in science?

Blogger Random July 18, 2014 8:34 PM  

"The desire for power is also why the Roman Church stopped allowing priests to marry"

This is spectacularly, hilariously, outrageously wrong.

Educate yourself, please.

Anonymous jack July 18, 2014 8:40 PM  

@ Tommy
any more than a SW .357 makes a 16 year old boy superior to a Roman legionnaire.

Obviously, that 16 year old, if competent with the .357, will, at a reasonable distance, be able to best the Roman soldier. But, again, at that reasonable pistol distance, the Legionnaire, with his pilum, may well make a blood sacrifice of the 16 year old. Because, strong muscles, much practice, and, the pilum can probably outdo the pistol at any ranges beyond where the pistol can be effectively aimed. Except, of course, the pilum was a single shot weapon [though, I think, the Legionnaire's were armed with two of those spears]
It would be an interesting contest....

Anonymous Anonymous July 18, 2014 8:48 PM  

Nate: Not to pick to many nits . . .

Okay, Nate, I'm here to pick a nit that has gone on too long . . .

to - preposition, depicting a relationship of one thing to another
too - adverb, depicting to a higher degree

When something is "quantifiable," the "to" gets another/extra "o."

Annoying Nit-picker

Anonymous Susan July 18, 2014 9:01 PM  

Wow. Fauxcahantas has fired the first salvo across the bow of the SS Hildebeest. This should appeal to the mainstream average liberal, not just the lofo base. Should be an interesting cat fight. Though I find both women have their own equally repulsive points and records, I think that superficially, Fauxcahantas certainly meets the criteria for a candidate for the dems in 2016.

Would never vote for a woman, just to vote for a woman. I actually expect qualifications to be met.

Blogger Tommy Hass July 18, 2014 9:14 PM  

"Obviously, that 16 year old, if competent with the .357, will, at a reasonable distance, be able to best the Roman soldier. But, again, at that reasonable pistol distance, the Legionnaire, with his pilum, may well make a blood sacrifice of the 16 year old."

I knew somebody would pick up on that mistake.

You get my point though. I don't see the US as superior to the Roman empire or the British Empire of the 19th century for that matter.

Americans put a man on the moon? So what? The Russians put the first man in space, Sputnik and are currently superior to the US in space capability. And being impressed that the 20th century technological superpower exceeds the accomplishments of previous empires/nations is laughable. That is why I brought up the .357 vs ancient soldier example.

OpenID cailcorishev July 18, 2014 9:26 PM  

I think that superficially, Fauxcahantas certainly meets the criteria for a candidate for the dems in 2016.

I'm not sure if that's a compliment or sarcasm, but it's nicely circular, since superficiality is one of the main qualifications.

Anonymous Rufus July 18, 2014 9:55 PM  

"leftwing nutbag" :)

Anonymous zen0 July 18, 2014 10:02 PM  

Jourdan July 18, 2014 4:54 PM

I suppose I agree with much of it because I'm a bit of a socialist.

But I'm also a nationalist.

There should be some term to describe people like me....


Nazi?

Anonymous Harsh July 18, 2014 10:05 PM  

I don't see the US as superior to the Roman empire or the British Empire of the 19th century for that matter.

Fortunately neither of those states is in existence so it's a non-issue.

Anonymous Wanderer July 18, 2014 10:09 PM  

"I don't see the US as superior to the Roman empire or the British Empire of the 19th century for that matter."

I wonder how many of the vibrant people in the USAF or US Army etc could operate a Patriot missile battery or some of the more complicated equipment?

Is that why they are importing children and not-quite children from Central and South America?

Anonymous Wanderer July 18, 2014 10:21 PM  

Has De Blasio just jumped the shark for NY City with progressivism?

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/staten-island-da-man-death-nypd-chokehold-article-1.1871946

Is this a case of 'Pour encouragez les autres?"

Blogger James Sullivan July 18, 2014 10:41 PM  

@Tommy Hass

"Sigh..."

Yeah, sigh. Because that's what I said right? That we're the greatest nation in history because we're the dominate superpower of the 20th century.

Oh. Wait. That isn't what I said. It isn't even what I implied. We all know what happens when you assume.

I did not delineate why I believe it to be the best nation in history, and if I were to, I would happily debate you, since we would most likely disagree. But I have no desire to derail the thread with someone who slays straw men.

But thanks for making assumptions and then doing battle with them.

Anonymous Michael July 18, 2014 11:04 PM  

"What is it with lefties and their love for manifestos?"

Seriously. They believe themselves "enlightened by reason" and therefore fit to direct mankind.

Christianity - specifically the Catholic Church - was responsible for preserving western civilization against the tide of Muslim hostility and uprisings (hence the Crusades), the French Revolution, the invasion of the Ottoman across eastern Europe, Hitler's Third Reich and Communism. For all their self-righteous harping about science and reason, what the humanist-atheists fail to mention, or rather purposely deny, is how much progress came about as a direct result of the Catholic Church, including in science, music, arts, literature, etc. Most important, the tremendous contribution towards human rights: helping the poor, the homeless and the sick - the preservation of life. Ever since secular-atheists took the helm of the sciences and academia, it's become nothing more than breeding grounds for Marxism, political fraud and atheist-bred fairy tales. On their atheist agitprop show Cosmos, they deliberately lied about Galileo's death, making is seem as though the Church persecuted him on account of his scientific research, in order to deceive viewers into thinking the Church to be backwards and oppressive (and thus by extension portray themselves as progressive and open-minded). Nothing could be further from the truth.

www.patheos.com/blogs/godandthemachine/2014/03/dishonestcosmos/

I guess honesty doesn't factor into their self-endowed higher intellect...

Anonymous A Visitor July 18, 2014 11:17 PM  

Gutfeld's "One More Thing" at the end of "The Five" today (the episode at 5 p.m., there was a special at 8) was a stupid song some woman made for Elizabeth Warren for POTUS 2016. I was so angry I turned off the TV.

Two things: 1) The election is still two years away. Talk all you want about potential candidates. Two years is an eternity in politics. 2) If she's elected, we're hosed. We're hosed regardless in my mind but it'll be more apparent if she's elected.

- "We believe that students are entitled to get an education without being crushed by debt." Lovely...how do you propose to do that AND make college degrees still meaningful? Typical liberal nonsense.

- "We believe that after a lifetime of work, people are entitled to retire with dignity, and that means protecting Social Security, Medicare, and pensions." Who is your LSD dealer? I'd love to meet him/her because you must be having great trips. Haven't we already passed into negative territory with respect to Social Security?

"We believe—I can't believe I have to say this in 2014—we believe in equal pay for equal work." Get your feminist *** up, resign your seat, enlist in the Army, demand 11B, pick up a weapon, and volunteer for Afghanistan. Then talk to me about equal pay. If getting killed is too scary for you, repeat steps one and two and go join the Dakota oil boom. Then, repeat the last step.

- "We believe that equal means equal, and that's true in marriage, it's true in the workplace, it's true in all of America." I echo Vox. You want true equality in marriage 2.0 and divorce? Hell, we might agree on something!

"We believe that immigration has made this country strong and vibrant, and that means reform." Per Peter Brimelow, "Every nation is a nation of immigrants." Go to Mexico, Nicaragua, Ecuador and outside of the major tourist spots. Live there for a few years. Go to India and China and repeat. See if you want those people here, you delusional hag. I can hear it already, "NAM/N/E/I/CALT!"

"women have a right to their bodies." Yes, you're right. You have a right to choose, via God given free will, who you want to screw. Once you get pregnant, (in an ideal world) you have no say in murdering your unborn child.

"And the main tenet of conservatives' philosophy, according to Warren? 'I got mine. The rest of you are on your own.' Yes, at a time when this country was made of real men, not *******, and women who trulysupported them, was relatively ethnically homogenous, morals had yet to be vaporized on a societal level by people such as yourself, and you didn't have to constantly move due to societal forces arrayed against you planting roots, people helped each other out. You can thank yourself for playing your part in the destruction of the greatest republic the world has ever known.

Good sum up by Wright from Newspeak to English.

"she'd fart in shock if you said that the right to community is not just for the rich and therefore you believe in racial segregation." You said, "she'd fart in shock..." I LOLed right there.

"With the Clinton machine in full battle mode, look for an unfortunate plane crash during one of her campaign trips." Anyone read Blood Feud? Hillary might not be healthy enough for 2016. Oh sure she'll try. Let the two of them canabalize each other.

"Gas this cunt." I LOLed, again.

"It would be an interesting contest...." Roughly 100 yards for a six .357 revolver being effective vs. pillum? I'd be on the .357.

"That is why I brought up the .357 vs ancient soldier example." Arquebus pretty much makes previous forms of warfare obsolete. Kind of like when the cannon was first introduced to a siege.

Blogger Lovekraft July 18, 2014 11:19 PM  

Politicians seem to be unable or unwilling to actually present facts, which would open them up to greater scrutiny.

You'd think that after 8 years of Obama, and the state of the world, that the public would get some consideration from the 'elites' in being spoken to in a frank manner.

But I guess that isn't how the game is played.

Anonymous A Visitor July 18, 2014 11:19 PM  

That should read six inch .357.

Anonymous Global Thought Criminal July 18, 2014 11:29 PM  

" I was so angry I turned off the TV."

Do not turn off the TV even if it is so stupid you want to scream. You need to know the bullshit they are spewing.

Anonymous Walter Sobchak July 18, 2014 11:49 PM  

Say what you want against the tenets of murderous, solipsistic, chaos-worshiping, monkey-poo-throwing left-wing ideology, Dude. At least it's an ethos.

Anonymous Rex Little July 19, 2014 12:09 AM  

One observes that by this definition, President Goldman Sachs is no progressive.

Many--perhaps most--progressives would agree. PZ Myers considers Obama to be right of center.

Blogger Nate July 19, 2014 12:32 AM  

"to - preposition, depicting a relationship of one thing to another
too - adverb, depicting to a higher degree"

Yes... I am well aware of the difference. I just really don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck if it bothers you. Think less of me? Fine. I don't give a fuck about that either.

Are we noticing a pattern here yet?

Blogger Desiderius July 19, 2014 12:33 AM  

That's... that's about the most severe category error I've ever seen.

Those aren't beliefs.

Anonymous Overlord Lebowski July 19, 2014 12:34 AM  

Goddamnit Walter; would you leave the politics out of it. It's just, like... her opinion man. She doesn't need this to turn into a f*cking Glenn Beck show.

Anonymous Walter Sobchak July 19, 2014 12:39 AM  

Fudge it, Dude. Let's read some sci-fi/fantasy.

Anonymous roo_ster July 19, 2014 1:11 AM  

#3 Net Neutrality is not solely a progressive concept.

Given that ISPs are common carriers with all the benefits that accrue from that, if they start examining packets to discriminate, they are not upholding their end of the common carrier deal. And can be held responsible for EVERYTHING that goes over their wires such as kiddie porn, criminal activity, etc.

Blogger IM2L844 July 19, 2014 1:21 AM  

Pro-abortion demonstrator: "You guys are history!"

Me: "We survived the fall of Rome. We'll survive you."


Good to hear Beau. I've been wondering about you since you were called to the front.

Blogger Doom July 19, 2014 3:08 AM  

Problems? Many. Progressives have tenets as they have truths. If you want to know their true beliefs, look to God. He defines Himself rather clearly. Now, look at what He rejects. That is progressive. Directly, indirectly, it doesn't matter, though there are smidgens of both. They don't have any form, logic, or a path, only the absence of those things. It's simply, in their way of thinking, much easier to be correct when their is no difference. And, really, for them, on anything... what difference does it make?

Don't bite that apple lad.

Blogger Wes July 19, 2014 3:32 AM  

It's funny that her last name is Warren; and, boy, she's the dumbest bunny in the burrow.

I've never heard so many non sequiturs in so short a space. I expect this much emotion divorced from reason while watching a chick flick.

Anonymous VD July 19, 2014 4:03 AM  

Yes... I am well aware of the difference. I just really don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck if it bothers you. Think less of me? Fine. I don't give a fuck about that either.

Well, if you don't mind looking like a looser....

Anonymous Anonymous Cowherd July 19, 2014 5:11 AM  

Progressives really aren't too bright.

If they were bright it would be too hard to be a progressive.

Anonymous clk July 19, 2014 6:50 AM  

1. It looks like it was simply a political speech ... dont take too much time argueing this one.

2. Waren is our next VP..

3. The RCC is not left or right.. it is the church that christ created. Many of its core beliefs are curently defined as progressive, leftist ...

4. Mr Wright.. we appreciate your support of the RCC .. but please stop trying to allign it with what is currently defined as US conservative movement .. there is much on the right that is as contrary to RCC teachings as there is on the left. The RCC has existed long before both..... :)

Blogger James Dixon July 19, 2014 7:37 AM  

> Well, if you don't mind looking like a looser....

And anyone with discernment will read this and begin to understand some of the reasons I read this blog. :)

> the left does not hate the RCC

Mr. Wright's exact words were "the Left hates the Catholic Church, and will destroy itself attempting to destroy her". I fail to see the word Roman in there. And knowing Mr. Wright's normally precise use of the English language, I suspect that is deliberate.

Anonymous Rantor July 19, 2014 7:54 AM  

Thanks clk... the RCC may have had its moments in the past. But they elected Barack Obama, they are into social justice and many of them are into aiding the current invasion by their Central American brothers. Just read Ann Barnhardt to learn what a farce the modern RCC has become. Go ahead and convince yourself that your church is the only one with truth and compare that with Vatican 2 or the whole feminist-driven Mary as Coredemptrix movement, does that make the Trinity into Quadrinity?

No. The left loves the modern Catholic Church. in 2008 and 2012 a majority of Catholics voted for Barrack Hussein Obama. If your church spent time teaching truth, I daresay that would not happen. As it is your RCC is behind the socialism growing in Europe, America and the Southern Hemisphere.

There are still plenty of Conservative, Bible teaching churches in the protestant tent that teach more truth every Sunday than Cardinal Dolan or Pope Francis teach in a year, and I for one will stick with Biblical truth over hubris and pride in a man-made and man-corrupted tradition.

Blogger Doom July 19, 2014 8:16 AM  

Rantor,

Your logic is afu. First, while a majority of "Catholics" did vote for Zero, actually a majority of "Christians" did too. That Catholicism is the majority faith is just an artifact, not an endorsement. And, if you attended the RCC, you would realize that most of the clergy and hierarchy is not on board that particular train. But they don't control, they merely preach and guide. Go back to the drawing board and look at what all who voted that way have in common. Actually, all who vote, or don't. What is the one common theme, foul root.

Homeschool your children or shut up about it, you have made your choice, and bed, now lie in it. That's all I'm saying.

Anonymous Michael July 19, 2014 8:42 AM  

Hold up. How do you figure that the "majority of Catholics" voted for Obama? What, did they go around asking every Catholic who they voted for or something?

Anonymous RRDK July 19, 2014 8:45 AM  

Until she gets to the Equal Pay for less work bits, I actually sort of agree with some of the points Warren makes. Workers are getting squeezed and screwed over just so that plutocrats can slash and burn their way across our economy. The destabilizing and immiserating effects of this creeping pauperization of the working class should have every conservative up in arms. A real conservative ought to care about the health and welfare of their communities, and have a concern about their posterity. Instead we have a lot of so-called "conservatives" whose idea of being a conservative means worshipping the "free" market and sucking up to Wall Street and banksters and the sort of CEOs who want to import H1Bs en masse while crying about how there are no good "native" employees.

Anonymous Rothbardian July 19, 2014 9:02 AM  

Warren is anti-neocon and anti-bankster. She gets my vote.

Murray Rothbard would've voted for her. Lew Rockwell will likely.

What the hell is wrong with you neocons?

Anonymous John C. Wrong July 19, 2014 9:18 AM  

No True Roman Catholic blah blah blah

OpenID cailcorishev July 19, 2014 10:01 AM  

How do you figure that the "majority of Catholics" voted for Obama?

Gallup figured he got 52% of the Catholic vote. That's typical; about half of Catholics have been voting for the pro-abortion Democrat for several elections now, often with the encouragement (open or implied) of their pastors. (By the way, Hispanics, those paragons of conservative family values whom the bishops hope will re-invigorate American Catholicism, gave Obama 70% of their votes. Which probably means he didn't get a majority of the white Catholic vote, but I never ran the numbers on that.)

Of course, the exact percentage doesn't matter; 1% of Catholics voting for Obama would be too many. That's not to say they should have voted for Romney, who was squishy on life issues at best. But you can't call yourself Catholic and vote for a guy who supports infanticide.

All this shows is that rank-and-file Catholics are pretty much indistinguishable from the mainstream on politics as on everything else, unfortunately.

Blogger Doom July 19, 2014 10:28 AM  

"No True Roman Catholic blah blah blah"

Some people can't handle the truth. Some of you don't even seem to know it. There are those who abide the church in full, and those who don't. Thankfully, Christianity is not a democracy. Supporting abortion, even the pill, is technically worthy of excommunication. Given that, those who supported Zero are not Catholics. Not in good standing.

Blogger Doom July 19, 2014 10:30 AM  

An example? Pelosi can no longer receive the Eucharist. I am not sure if she has, technically, been excommunicated. But for all intents and purposes she has.

Anonymous fnn July 19, 2014 10:34 AM  

The Dime Store Indian’s 11 Commandments For Kooktardism

Anonymous Bz July 19, 2014 11:38 AM  

These tenets are just a lot of dog whistling, aren't they? I mean, someone not familiar with the issues would have no idea what was really being communicated.

Anonymous Rantor July 19, 2014 1:17 PM  

Doom, A majority of Protestants voted against Obama... so no I am not AFU. The Majority of Catholics aligned with the non Christians put Obama in Office. I realize that is just statistics and they aren't worht much, but that seems to be the truth. As someone who attended a few anti-Obamacare rallies, I can also tell you that the Catholic Priests that spoke at the second one made it absolutely clear that they supported Obamacare, just not the abortion and contraception parts. They were pro-life socialists, and that is the best I can say about them.

Blogger ScuzzaMan July 19, 2014 3:20 PM  

"We believe that after a lifetime of work, people are entitled to retire with dignity, and that means protecting Social Security, Medicare, and pensions."

This one cracked me up.

After a lifetime of anything you are, by definition, dead. So there'll be no cost to this promise ... now there's a big political surprise.

But if, otoh, you're not working but still bitching about your retirement income, then again by definition you didn't do a lifetime of work.

Progressives have nothing to do with progress of any sort. As noted above, they're headline chasers and nothing else.

Blogger Doom July 19, 2014 5:53 PM  

Rantor,

I will dig into the stats. Fair enough. Perhaps my data is incorrect.

As to the priest? And many American bishops? Even the pope who I consider the design of the American bishops? It is sort of like Zero himself. Their false beliefs don't change some truths. I am still an American and still a Catholic, even if the leadership is wrong. Not much I can do about them. But I won't let them corrupt what is good. And they will suffer for their harm. Here or there.

Anonymous Anonymous July 19, 2014 7:47 PM  

Nate - Don't think "less" of you, at all. That you responded to my post - and VD - affirms I'm a girl looking for a little attention, that's all. Thanks, y'all.

Grammarian

Anonymous CorkyAgain July 19, 2014 11:00 PM  

@RRDK

Me too. I stopped calling myself a libertarian when I realized that its free market rhetoric is often just providing cover for the oligarchs.

Traditionalist populism for the win.

Anonymous Stilicho July 20, 2014 12:04 AM  

Mr. Wright's exact words were "the Left hates the Catholic Church, and will destroy itself attempting to destroy her". I fail to see the word Roman in there. And knowing Mr. Wright's normally precise use of the English language, I suspect that is deliberate.

Perhaps. But given the fact that he is A) Catholic (the RCC variety) and B) has previously described his particular church as the "one, true, catholic and apostolic Church " as he did here, my interpretation is supported. However, I readily admit that your interpretation would work as well. Regardless, my point remains: the left is perfectly happy with any nominally Christian church that will toe their party line...what the left hates is any church that sincerely tries to follow God (see, e.g. Mormons: they may be wrong, but for the most part they are sincere in their faith). Hence, the inescapable conclusion that what the left really hates is God--the rest is derivative hate.

Blogger James Dixon July 20, 2014 10:20 PM  

> ...my interpretation is supported.

Yes, it is. I merely offered another possible interpretation.

Anonymous Jubal the Ugly One July 21, 2014 11:25 PM  

Susan at July 18, 2014 9:01 PM wrote:

Wow. Fauxcahantas has fired the first salvo across the bow of the SS Hildebeest.

Which one has better cankles?

Blogger Wizard Prang July 24, 2014 5:40 PM  

Re-read Dr. Warren's pronouncements and substitute "and that means" with "and we think the solution is..."

Just try it.

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