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Wednesday, July 02, 2014

The Age of Men is over

John Scalzi @scalzi Jun 30
Let it be known that my daughter can lift more than I do. Because she's on her school's weightlifting team, and also because she's awesome.
It's hard to decide what is funnier:
  1. John Scalzi proudly and publicly announcing that his daughter can lift more weight than he can.
  2. John Scalzi's apparent surprise at the fact that he is mocked and considered less than a man for this fact.
  3. John Scalzi promptly attempting to hide behind his daughter.
  4. The reactions of the rabbits rushing to assuage his wounded feelings.
John Scalzi @scalzi Jul 1
ME: Some dudes online are making fun of me because you lift more than I can. DAUGHTER: That's because they're pathetic losers, dad. #point

Bo Bolander ‏@BBolander
@scalzi I'll bet she could snap them over her knee like so much kindling.

Jonathan Sick ‏@jonathansick
@scalzi Parenting #win

Michael Jewell ‏@MichaelJewell78
@scalzi two points for good parenting!

Rafe B. ‏@etcet
@scalzi *fistbump of strength prowess for the young one*

Scott S ‏@QkslvrSailor
@scalzi wait the point is to be able to lift more than others. Here I thought it was to be healthy.. My mistake

@scalzi Silly gamma rabbit, don't you know that your entire worth as an alpha male is directly proportional to your bench press?

@scalzi How ever will you be able to provide for your family without being able to lift massive weights in extremely artificial situations?

Christina D ‏@akasha111182
@scalzi Parenting: you’re doing it right.

Catherine Coffman ‏@thinkingcatblog
@scalzi parenting win all around!

Jim Schmidt ‏@zaren
@scalzi My daughter outran me in a 5k last month. No big. She's had actual training, and that whole "springiness of youth" thing.

A.B. ‏@ballewal
@scalzi Good kid. Good parenting.

Kelly Sedinger ‏@Jaquandor
@scalzi Ha ha, you're weak AND you're seeking emotional validation from your kid! :)

Erik Noble ‏@CrossbowROoF
@scalzi She probably lifts more than they do too.

Nick Lester Bell ‏@lebkin
@scalzi You’ve raises a very smart daughter. Be proud.

raphael ‏@shun_geki_satsu 16h
@scalzi proof that it is not only muscular force that is strong in @AScalzi98

@scalzi the fastest runner at my nephew's school is a girl. She has shirt that says "I run like a girl. Try to keep up." Love it!
What's not funny is the way in which the male Gamma delusion perpetuates itself and is propagated through the women. The little gamma's automatic reaction to social disapprobation is still to seek reassurance from his Mommy substitutes. As one "pathetic loser" observed:

Puzzle Privateer ‏@PuzzlePrivateer
@scalzi Just like the popular kids in high school didn't invite him to their parties because they were jealous

Notice how there are multiple references to "parenting" and none at all to fatherhood. This is not a coincidence. Scalzi, having been raised without a father and being without sons, has no functional conception of what it is to be a man or a paterfamilias. And he has consciously rejected the masculine model in favor of the feminine one with which he is more familiar and comfortable. But such rejections always come at a price.

As for me, I've got to go with option (3). Because I don't think that being unable to lift more weight than one's daughter NECESSARILY makes one less of a man. That's just not a fair assumption. There are alternative explanations. After all, one might have simply happened to marry an orc.
Half-Orcs

These orc–human crossbreeds can be found in either orc or human society (where their status varies according to local sentiments), or in communities of their own. Half-orcs usually inherit a good blend of the physical characteristics of their parents. They are as tall as humans and a little heavier, thanks to their muscle.

    +2 Strength, –2 Intelligence, –2 Charisma.
For, as you surely know, no particular reason at all.

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Anonymous Feh July 02, 2014 6:49 AM  

There's no scenario in which saying that reflects credit on him.

Whether it's true or false, it's pathetic.

Why is it "good parenting" to be so flabby and out of shape that a teenage girl is stronger than you? Why is it "good parenting" to pretend that this is so if it's not?

Anonymous YIH July 02, 2014 6:52 AM  

Holy crap, that IS pathetic.
@scalzi can't even outlift HIS(HER) DAUGHTER?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 02, 2014 6:54 AM  

But on the other hand does he not claim to be a rapist? And is that not a crime of dominance and/or hatred? I wonder what his mother substitutes think of that? Mother rape? The things those people excuse so as to be Politically Correct.

Anonymous Judge Mental July 02, 2014 6:58 AM  

Lesbian

Anonymous daddynichol July 02, 2014 7:01 AM  

Another fact: Scalzi and his daughter both pee sitting down.

Anonymous smart secure rabbit July 02, 2014 7:03 AM  

I AM STILL MAD AT THE JOCKS IN HIGH SCHOOL 25 YEARS LATER

Anonymous Feh July 02, 2014 7:04 AM  

But on the other hand does he not claim to be a rapist?

So... he can only rape women who are weaker than teenage girls. Hmmmm. Maybe Rolf Harris can recommend a good attorney.

Anonymous Dog Pile July 02, 2014 7:07 AM  

But can she lift more than her mother?

Anonymous NateM July 02, 2014 7:08 AM  

Dies that make I t hard when he trues to rap

Blogger Michael Maier July 02, 2014 7:10 AM  

OK, Vox... dude... may I please beg for mercy on Scalzi's behalf?

Really... I totally get it and Scalzi is an idiot. He's a jerk and he doesn't deserve to have you let up.

But .... this is just getting painful to read.

Blogger Michael Maier July 02, 2014 7:11 AM  

And Dog Pile: that was damn funny... and so wrong.

Anonymous NateM July 02, 2014 7:12 AM  

"But can she lift more than her mother?"

Well Scalzi's "mrs' regularly dead lifts about 180lbs of chewed bubble gum..

Blogger Shimshon July 02, 2014 7:18 AM  

Vox, Scalzi's wife does look vaguely like an Orc (although for an Orc she's not bad looking), so it is possible the daughter possesses Orc blood.

Scalzi is a pussy. I'm 47 and I have 3 sons, 13 and 16 (twins). I am shorter and less muscular than all of them. I am left handed. They're all righties. One 16yo can beat me arm wrestling either hand in no time flat. As it happens he has been (moderately) working out the longest. Until recently, I could beat the other 16yo in a few secs, EITHER hand. He finally started some moderate working out and only now can beat me about 50/50 right handed, but not without a good fight from me. The youngest, despite having arms like tree trunks, I can still fairly easily beat (also both hands), but even he's getting stronger, and he's more muscular than either of his older brothers.

His kid's a GIRL. I bet he can't even beat her arm wrestling. But I would love a report on that.

As an aside, I embraced the Red Pill in the nick of time. My sons are growing into very admirable young men. I was very afraid for their futures before then.

Anonymous VD July 02, 2014 7:21 AM  

Vox... dude... may I please beg for mercy on Scalzi's behalf?

Mr. Scalzi is, I am told, a grown man. If he wishes any such mercy, he is perfectly capable of publicly requesting it himself. As it happens, we have been repeatedly informed that he finds this sort of thing "adorable" and all kinds of great fun. It would therefore be unkind to deny him further pleasure and it would be unfair to deny the Dread Ilk further entertainment.

Blogger Keith Glass July 02, 2014 7:22 AM  

Marrying Orcs. Well, that explains Michelle Obama. . .

Blogger Fnord Prefect July 02, 2014 7:24 AM  

So all that effort spent feminizing the population isn't going to waste...

When I see the mincing, preening pompadours that pass for men these days I shudder - and these are not even the gayz - these are the pretty boyz the ladies love...

Decline and fall. We have passed the point where masculine traits are of benefit to 'society' and start eliminated.to pose a threat to the status quo and must be em

Blogger Fnord Prefect July 02, 2014 7:28 AM  

And the answer to WTF was I saying is:

...start to pose a threat to the status quo and must be eliminated.

Thanks for playing

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 02, 2014 7:29 AM  

So let me get this straight, Scalzi makes claim to be a rapist, yet his public persona is that of a gay/bi bottom, can any of his supporters make sense of that?

Maybe some of those pink scifi bloggers can turn their blogs over to explaining that in some intellectually coherent manner. I would really like for some of Scalzis supporters to take charge and show an unenlightened person such as myself what exactly they mean. Honestly I don't think Scalzi has any real support, none.

Blogger The Original Hermit July 02, 2014 7:31 AM  

You could consider my wife an (attractive) orc. Half-Norwegian, part Amerind, taller than almost all of our male and female friends, she grew up on a farm throwing hay-bales around and I met her when she was at peak strength. But I'm taller than her and can throw her around (playfully of course). If there were ever a chance that my daughter would one day out-lift me, if she's inclined to weight-lift I'm not going to stop her, that would be a signal to me to step-up my workouts even more, not to brag about being soft around the middle. My 9 yo son gives me a run for my money as it is, and that's encouragement enough to keep in shape.

Anonymous VD July 02, 2014 7:32 AM  

Honestly I don't think Scalzi has any real support, none.

Sure he does. He has tens of thousands of Twitter followers. Over 150 people favorited or retweeted the second tweet featured above. He is one of the best-selling authors in the science fiction field.

Like it or not, there are lots of people who agree with, or at least appreciate, what he is saying. Of course, most people are idiots. These two facts are probably not entirely unrelated.

Blogger Fnord Prefect July 02, 2014 7:35 AM  

@Mr.MantraMan
And don't forget that people often mistake him for a kick-ass marine too. Maybe he is part of an MKULTRA project with multiple personalities?

Anonymous trk July 02, 2014 7:39 AM  

Scalzi failed his saving throw vs testosterone. I am highly entertained. It's literally Christmas in July.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben July 02, 2014 7:41 AM  

Vox, don't you know that women are better than men at everything just like my 8th grade teacher used to always say? Scalzi's daughter can squat more than this guy who can pass for an orc.

Anonymous Lucius July 02, 2014 7:46 AM  

This proves the 90 lb femme fatalle is legit! #Grrrlpower

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben July 02, 2014 7:46 AM  

Hey everybody, I found a video of scalzi bench pressing over 200!

Anonymous Toby Temple July 02, 2014 7:48 AM  

Scalzi ended the Age of Men.

Sauron weeps in the corner of oblivion.

Blogger Cranberry July 02, 2014 7:49 AM  

Hey everybody, I found a video of scalzi bench pressing over 200!

Hah! I'm immediately adding the Scalzi Press to my push day. My spine is due for some misalignment therapy.

Anonymous VD July 02, 2014 7:51 AM  

This proves the 90 lb femme fatalle is legit!

Yeah... about that....

Blogger Cranberry July 02, 2014 7:54 AM  

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Blogger Crude July 02, 2014 7:55 AM  

What would the rabbits take as evidence that Scalzi is an out of shape weakling? Or is the very possibility of being out of shape some holdover from the man-o-centric patriarchy?

Blogger Cranberry July 02, 2014 7:57 AM  

Not lifting doesn't make him less of a man...yet somehow lifting makes his daughter more of a woman.

I can't discern the stance, here.

Blogger Bogey July 02, 2014 7:57 AM  

5. He has 50,000 followers that he felt comfortable giving this information to, and expected no criticism from them.

He's such an active muter and deleter of criticism he's actually surprised when criticism gets back to him. Surprised he still doesn't control the narrative.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 02, 2014 7:58 AM  

Upside, he hasn't had any sons.

Anonymous Fratboy Idle Spectator, Omicron Mu Gamma July 02, 2014 7:58 AM  

Scalzi BRO, do you even LIFT???


I'll take a rum and coke before the gun show. With Captain Morgan rum. Cap'nn me up, bitchhh.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben July 02, 2014 8:00 AM  

Scalzi at the gym! The laughs keep coming, folks.

Anonymous Strange Aeons July 02, 2014 8:02 AM  

Half-orc: also known as an Uruk-Haibrid.

Anonymous Jeigh Di July 02, 2014 8:04 AM  

Actually I think you're being rather unkind to Scalzi's daughter. She can not help who her father is nor how she was raised. Doubtless she was fed a diet of Marion Zimmer Bradley from birth and has a goal of being a Free Amazon of Darkover and proving herself "as good as any man".

Blogger JS July 02, 2014 8:06 AM  

She-Orcs are no pushover, surely it is a credit to Scalzi's manliness that he was able to subdue and force himself upon one? Unless...

Blogger Matt July 02, 2014 8:09 AM  

Give Scalzi some credit, at least he raises his child. I would say that majority of people I know don't have fathers in their lives.

It's fun to mock Scalzi, because he says some incredibly stupid things, but I'm not sure that this is one of them.

Anonymous YIH July 02, 2014 8:10 AM  

HOLY $#1+!
My niece can lift as much as I can.
In fact, she outlifted me. She's 30 years younger.
''what a drag it is gettting old''...

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 02, 2014 8:14 AM  

It's one of the proudest and saddest moment's in a man's life when his son bests him at something manly.

Your son is now indeed and truly, on his way to manhood. You've done your job but you also know that you are only going to get slower and weaker with time. It shows your own mortality gaping before you and wise man accepts this as the way of things.

It's Almost as hard on your son. A man who has been a proper father, has been a boy's bedrock and foundation. The short story is, he has defeated his god. Now what?

Scalzi seems to be trying to live out a father's ambitions for his son, through his daughter.

Well I'm sure she make a fine husband for some lucky boy, just like her mother is for John Scalzi.

Anonymous Sigyn July 02, 2014 8:14 AM  

The attitude is just sad. If a girl is able to outperform a man in physical things, either she's extremely unusual or the man is very unhealthy. Crowing about it while stuffing down another organic Twinkie or whatever is counterproductive. Scalzi should consider seeing a doctor, I'm serious.

I have a neighbor, by the way, who's always tweeting about his daughters' athletic events--and injuries. It makes me sad to see these lovely girls getting hurt so often, breaking their bodies to get a little glory. They win a lot, but the cost!

Feminism is hazardous to everyone's health.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus July 02, 2014 8:17 AM  

haha good for Scalzi's daughter...but he has no idea how bad that is. My wife and I are both competitive powerlifters, she benches a lot for a female (180lbs). Her biggest complaint: After lifting for years, the only guys she outbenches are the one who are new to the gym...virtually all the guys who are there regularly pass her up within a couple months.

All Scalzi would had to do is SHOW UP at the gym...but "bro, do you you even lift?!?"

Anonymous Sigyn July 02, 2014 8:19 AM  

Give Scalzi some credit, at least he raises his child. I would say that majority of people I know don't have fathers in their lives.

Can I have credit for not shoplifting?

It's fun to mock Scalzi, because he says some incredibly stupid things, but I'm not sure that this is one of them.

Actually, it's not the thing said; it's the prissy, girly-man attitude of superiority through mediocrity. And yes, it's stupid.

Anonymous Toby Temple July 02, 2014 8:25 AM  

Scalzi thinks he can claim superiority over his critics by embracing something that is to be embarrassed about then divulge it into the Internet for all to see.

Scalzi is saying "This is me. And I'm proud of it."

Anonymous Blog Troll July 02, 2014 8:28 AM  

Since apparently families are in play, and we're doing the whole D&D thing, if Scalzi's wife is an Orc, the Vox's is a ghast?

Anonymous Rob July 02, 2014 8:35 AM  

There is no way he can't lift more; he isn't even trying. It's bad parenting because he is just lying to her daughter in order to bolster her (which never works out), and as a consequence giving her a false view of men in general based on her own father.

Anonymous Logan July 02, 2014 8:35 AM  

Apologies for being OT but wasn't there a post about global warming that was up a couple hours ago? Why was it taken down? I forgot to write down the name of the organization that did the data-tampering and the guy who caught them.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 02, 2014 8:36 AM  

Scalzi thinks he can claim superiority over his critics by embracing something that is to be embarrassed about then divulge it into the Internet for all to see.

That is Scalzi in a nutshell. If you call the man a piece of shit, he will poop in his hand, rub it all over his body and yell, "Yes, I am!"

Then he will run off giggling and invite all of his friends to admire him for winning that fight.

Sad part; they will.

Anonymous Alexander July 02, 2014 8:43 AM  

Here's the real question I have:

If Scalzi were forced to become a dhimmi, no doubt he would OWN IT!!! But the part about where an unbeliever's home can be no large than the smallest Muslim home... does that apply to lawns as well?

Cause *that* could be a sticking point.

Anonymous Zippy July 02, 2014 8:55 AM  

My sister can probably lift more than our dad.

Of course, he's 89, has serious health problems, and seeing him the way he is now makes her cry.

Being a man isn't just about physical strength -- men can lose physical strength due to accident or illness, or maybe they're just unlucky enough to be naturally on the left hand side of the bell curve of male physical strength. Bad genes.

But I can't imagine bragging about being bested in physical strength by one's daughter.

Anonymous DrTorch July 02, 2014 8:56 AM  

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Rob- Excellent points.

Anonymous NateM July 02, 2014 8:58 AM  

Matt- the stupid part isn't being proud of his daughter's achievements, its advertising that she is stronger the he is in a proud way. As someone said her view of the world and men is shaped by her father, and now she's going to go out with a false impression that she is stronger than some adult men. In reality she's stronger than pudgy middle aged slobs, not the guys she might count on overpowering for her safety.

Anonymous YIH July 02, 2014 9:02 AM  

sigyn:
I defined the terms to her. 20 reps,100kilos (220lbs). I failed, and paid the bet.

Blogger NMA July 02, 2014 9:17 AM  

Even worse, Scalzi's daughter isn't actually that strong for her age and weight. Results on the web show her coming in 9th in a small local competition, with some of the other girls of the same age as her lifting a lot more weight. Having your dad publicly boast that you're better than him at something you're not actually very good at has got to suck.

The rabbit attitude is clear though in that Scalzi focuses on the fact that she's on the team. Not what she can lift, not where she's placing in competitions, not how much she's improved since she started, but the fact that she's on the team, that other people have given her a small degree of approval.

Anonymous Harsh July 02, 2014 9:17 AM  

One day she'll grow up to be a beautiful lady... just like her dad.

Anonymous bob k. mando July 02, 2014 9:20 AM  

Cranberry July 02, 2014 7:57 AM
I can't discern the stance, here.



the stance is wide.



Darth Toolpodicus July 02, 2014 8:17 AM
All Scalzi would had to do is SHOW UP at the gym...but "bro, do you you even lift?!?"




if he used a push mower to cut his grass he'd probably be stronger than his daughter. but, what with being a new age metrosexual and all, i'm sure he pays a mexican to cut his grass.

Blogger JDC July 02, 2014 9:23 AM  

How on earth could one be so weak as to not be able to lift more than their daughter - especially in upper extremity exercises? I lift all the time, and have observed many women working out (not in a creepy / sociopathic way mind you, but clearly for the purposes of science and observation). Even the strongest women would have difficulty benching 95 lbs once. For the free weight uneducated that's a big bar with a 25 lb on each side. I usually observe women who use free weights with a big bar and a five or ten lb on each side, or just the bar itself.

So, that means Scalzi, according to his statements, cannot even bench 95 lbs - less than half his body weight. Now, bench doesn't equal the man, but is this something to take pride in? To stand on the mountain and proudly declare my daughter is stronger than I? I think not.

I will add however that I have witnessed some pretty impressive squat's from the gals - one young lady I spot often (because we both work out at the same time) works out with 225. My guess is she could probably get 275 if she maxed out. Given my bad knees, that's definitely more than I could press. Can I now belong to the Gamma - "Women are stronger than me," club?

Anonymous Salt July 02, 2014 9:23 AM  

Scalzi is saying "This is me. And I'm proud of it."

The Dread Ilk should award him something Gamma. Send it to him so he can proudly display it on his shelf, or something large for his yard.

Anonymous Sohn Jcalzi July 02, 2014 9:26 AM  

ME: Some dudes online are making fun of me because you lift more than I can. DAUGHTER: Dad, help, I'm getting raped. #point

Anonymous Sohn Jcalzi July 02, 2014 9:29 AM  

ME: Some dudes online are making fun of me because you lift more than I can. DAUGHTER: DAD THEY ARE KILLING ME, WHY WILL YOU WATCH ME DIE?. #point

Blogger Adam Lawson July 02, 2014 9:31 AM  

There is nothing likable or redeemable about that man. Any time he says anything confrontational it comes with a snarky air -- that "I'm so clever" smirk can almost be felt in his words . He seems eager to bait his followers into stroking his ego in one way or another.

He's so obnoxious that if he were ever on the same side as me, I'd start to question myself.

Anonymous FP July 02, 2014 9:33 AM  

I saw this on AG and thought, "eh, embracing the insult can work". Then I saw what Scalzi had written...

"ME: Some dudes online are making fun of me because you lift more than I can. DAUGHTER: That's because they're pathetic losers, dad. #point "

Aww, how cute! His daughter is comforting him in his shame.

Blogger Adam Lawson July 02, 2014 9:34 AM  

I lift all the time, and have observed many women working out (not in a creepy / sociopathic way mind you, but clearly for the purposes of science and observation).

Looking at adult women isn't creepy, in and of itself. Men have a natural urge to look; it's been made out to be a creepy thing by a select group of bitches who hate what it is to be a man. If an adult woman is in public and attractive, I am doing her no harm by looking.

Now, if I'm peering through her shades, or giving an unattractive woman undue attention that is giving her an undeserved ego boost... then I'm doing something wrong.

Anonymous Sigyn July 02, 2014 9:50 AM  

Being a man isn't just about physical strength -- men can lose physical strength due to accident or illness, or maybe they're just unlucky enough to be naturally on the left hand side of the bell curve of male physical strength. Bad genes.

But I can't imagine bragging about being bested in physical strength by one's daughter.


Exactly this. It's the "check me out, I'm so lame, admire how 'secure' I am" thing that makes him pathetic.

Anonymous Baseball Savant July 02, 2014 9:53 AM  

I squatted over 600lbs last week! I was pretty excited! DEM GAINZ!!!!!!

Anonymous dh July 02, 2014 9:53 AM  

There is no way he can't lift more; he isn't even trying. It's bad parenting because he is just lying to her daughter in order to bolster her (which never works out), and as a consequence giving her a false view of men in general based on her own father.


I've seen Scalzi in person twice in the last 18 months. He is a real doughboy. All of his photos are at weird angles, at weird perspectives, from the waist up, etc.

Two things:

1. He is pretty flabby. I couldn't wager a guess BMI wise, but it's clear he doesn't do the least minimal physical activity at all. I would wager absolutely no exercise other than what it takes to physically exist in America.

2. He is probably very embarrassed by it, he goes to lengths to obscure it and to downplay it - sort of brushing it off as a general out of shapeness and not the begnnings of obesit, while also pointing it out as a badge of honor to his weird warren. At a book signing I observed him going out of his way to conceal his gut while he signed books. He wears clothes that sort of conceal the whole thing into a mushy mess.

Blogger JDC July 02, 2014 9:54 AM  

@Adam Lawson - I will add that while I'm watching them I'm wearing sun glasses and a trench coat with a lime green mesh camasaul and matching bikini briefs underneath, stroking a homemade doll made solely from garage scale panties and stray hairs I have procured from public restrooms. All the while I am quietly whistling, "Goodbye Horses," while I picture myself wearing their skin and posing demurely, clad in my finest lavender prom dress with a very fat Labrador retriever at my feet.

But that's not creepy at all.

Anonymous Josh July 02, 2014 9:57 AM  

I squatted over 600lbs last week! I was pretty excited! DEM GAINZ!!!!!!

DO YOU EVEN LIFT BRAH?

Blogger Giraffe July 02, 2014 9:58 AM  

Manboob: effeminate overweight gamma male.
Scalzied Manboob: A manboob so weak that females are stronger than he is, who hides his shame by pretending to be proud of it.

Anonymous Josh July 02, 2014 10:00 AM  

Given the recent revelations about the sexual perversion amongst the sfwa warren, and the general weirdness of sff fandom, it's really freaking stupid for McRapey to promote his underage high school daughter to everyone on the internets.

Blogger Giraffe July 02, 2014 10:02 AM  

I squatted over 600lbs last week! I was pretty excited! DEM GAINZ!!!!!

Congrats. You must like pain. I hate squats.

Anonymous Heh July 02, 2014 10:03 AM  

Upside, he hasn't had any sons.

That would require his feeble seed to have a Y chromosome in it somewhere.

Blogger Adam Lawson July 02, 2014 10:05 AM  

@JDC Why are you wearing a trench coat to the gym?

Blogger Shimshon July 02, 2014 10:09 AM  

Normally Y sperm are faster than X sperm. In Scalzi's case, either he doesn't have any, or the X sperm are just so much better.

Anonymous Joseph Dooley July 02, 2014 10:19 AM  

John Scalzi @scalzi Jul 1
ME: Some dudes online are making fun of me because you lift more than I can. DAUGHTER: That's because they're pathetic losers, dad. #point


When I read the daughter's response and imagine a teenage girl saying it, I sense impatience and contempt on her part wrt her father.

Anonymous Toby Temple July 02, 2014 10:20 AM  

Given the recent revelations about the sexual perversion amongst the sfwa warren, and the general weirdness of sff fandom, it's really freaking stupid for McRapey to promote his underage high school daughter to everyone on the internets.

Scalzi hates his daughter. Coz she's stronger than him.

Anonymous Carlotta July 02, 2014 10:22 AM  

I cannot imagine the fear I would have felt as a young girl could I have out lifted my own Father. I slept well at night because anything that wanted to get to me first had to get past someone who spent several hours a week slamming weights around while singing Marine Corps songs.

Anonymous cent July 02, 2014 10:24 AM  

I can come to one of two conclusion.

1) wimp
2) east german lady's weight lifting team during the cold war

either way, this does not reflect well at all

Anonymous Daniel July 02, 2014 10:24 AM  

The Dread Ilk should award him something Gamma. Send it to him so he can proudly display it on his shelf, or something large for his yard.

Already did: a single phrase: "Gamma Rabbit." Then one of his more unintentionally subversive followers designed him a logo and another one sent him the something which he wore proudly, until it belatedly dawned on him that the shirt http://difficultrun.nathanielgivens.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/2013-06-21-John-Scalzi-Gamma-Rabbit.jpg was only about as public an admission of defeat as his "fanwriter Hugo" was.

Too late. His well is poisoned with Gamma radiation. McRapey is always reimagining the last (and prime) defeat. Result: cross-dressing, rape-centered, pedo-hiding daddy issues in public.

Anonymous Huckleberry -- est. 1977 July 02, 2014 10:24 AM  

But wait, I thought people regularly mistake @scalzi for a "6'4" ex-Marine badass" all the time.
More manly then men, more effeminate than his daughter.
They used to put people away for displaying that kind of psychotic break in public.

Blogger IM2L844 July 02, 2014 10:25 AM  

"ME: Some dudes online are making fun of me because you lift more than I can."

No, John. They are making fun of you because you think that your being a pussy somehow ameliorates your daughter. It doesn't.

Anonymous VD July 02, 2014 10:25 AM  

Actually I think you're being rather unkind to Scalzi's daughter. She can not help who her father is nor how she was raised. Doubtless she was fed a diet of Marion Zimmer Bradley from birth and has a goal of being a Free Amazon of Darkover and proving herself "as good as any man"

What part of Award-Winning Cruelty Artist did you not understand? Moreover, she elected to play with the big boys when she chose to broadcast her opinion of others concerning this matter. So, she's fair game on this particular subject. If you want to be off-limits, then you'd better keep your mouth shut.

I squatted over 600lbs last week!

Forget orc, now we're talking half-troll.

Since apparently families are in play, and we're doing the whole D&D thing, if Scalzi's wife is an Orc, the Vox's is a ghast?

Wood elf. With a laser-guided bow.

Anonymous NateM July 02, 2014 10:26 AM  

"garage scale panties"

This typo makes the whole scenario that much note horrible

Anonymous Daniel July 02, 2014 10:26 AM  

Forgot link: something Gamma displayed "proudly."

Blogger Mekadave July 02, 2014 10:29 AM  

After all, one might have simply happened to marry an orc.

I see what you did there! LOL, and Scalzi continues to pay for his poor decision in taking a shot at Spacebunny. Where's my popcorn?

Anonymous Josh July 02, 2014 10:31 AM  

I can come to one of two conclusion.

1) wimp
2) east german lady's weight lifting team during the cold war

either way, this does not reflect well at all


She doesn't lift nearly enough for 2.

Someone said that her total for a powerlifting meet was 200. Probably 75 squat, 75 deadlift, 50 bench, or close to that.

McRapey weighs 170+ lbs. A 50lb bench is less than a third of his bodyweight.

Hell, an untrained male with his right should be able bench 120.

Blogger Chiva July 02, 2014 10:34 AM  

@JDC. Bad visual. Bad, bad visual.

But not creepy. No, not at all. /sarc

Anonymous Sigyn July 02, 2014 10:38 AM  

Moreover, she elected to play with the big boys when she chose to broadcast her opinion of others concerning this matter.

Vox, did she tweet/blog/publish this opinion, or was it just Scalzi repeating what she said to him? I am sorry to ask, but I can't do more than a cursory search because Pale Moon hates me and keeps crashing.

Anonymous VD July 02, 2014 10:38 AM  

It's one of the proudest and saddest moment's in a man's life when his son bests him at something manly.

I can still remember the first time my dad was running too slow on our morning 6-mile runs. I was 16. And I can remember how he said: "Don't wait for me. Go on, I'll see you at home." He seemed proud at the time, but now I can see how it must have been bittersweet for him.

Ender is the best defender on his team. He's tall, he's tough, he makes attacking runs up the line, and he's strong in the air. He even sparked an inquiry from one of the pro clubs at the end of this season. (A transfer is unlikely, he just happened to have his best game in front of one of their scouts.) I'm the second-oldest veteran on our vet squad. But he can't slow me down yet, let alone stop me.

One day he will. One day soon. My guess is within two years. In four years, I probably won't be able to get past him at all. But I'm sure not going to make it easy for him.

Blogger Dystopic July 02, 2014 10:41 AM  

Scalzi phrased it like it was a good thing, and that's the problem. I ran the 5k in High School Cross Country, and I was pretty decent, but nothing special. I made it to the State Varsity competition back in '97, the only year I managed to, and there was a one girl who had throughout the year so completely dominated all the girl's meets that they decided to let her run with the guys, simply because she was minutes ahead of all the other girls. Since it was the same course for both guys and girls, that made a certain amount of sense.

So I was running along at my normal pace, hanging out somewhere in the top third, and this girl tried to pass me. I wasn't having that, so I picked up the pace. A minute or two later, she was back. This continued the whole way through until the last straightaway before the finish, where I was outright sprinting to beat this chick. I barely beat her (and in so doing got the best time I've ever managed on the 5k). She was a freak of nature and I heard later that she was basically the second-fastest chick in the country at the time. I wound up puking my guts out, could barely walk for an hour after that -- the next day it felt like someone had taken a sledgehammer to my body. She was walking around like it was completely normal for her.

Every once in awhile you run into a mutant troll chick who can hang with the guys. They do exist. And I suppose there is no shame in losing to one (or in my case, barely beating one). But it's certainly not something you brag about or take special pride in. At best it is what it was for me: motivation to do better.

Anonymous Sigyn July 02, 2014 10:41 AM  

"garage scale panties"

This typo makes the whole scenario that much note horrible


Sounds like someone panty-raided the Nielsen-Haydens.

Anonymous VD July 02, 2014 10:41 AM  

Vox, did she tweet/blog/publish this opinion, or was it just Scalzi repeating what she said to him?

No idea. But if her father sees fit to throw her into the public discourse, that's his call. I wouldn't, but then, obviously Scalzi and I disagree on many things.

Anonymous AmyJ July 02, 2014 10:43 AM  

I have no doubt that Scalzi and his daughter have - or believe they have - a great relationship. No doubt Scalzi believes that he loves and supports his daughter, celebrates her femininity while simultaneously supporting her as a strong, independent woman to whom he is ancillary. No doubt his daughter - and wife - believe they love him and support him as well. But there is no respect there. They don't respect him as a man and father. It is impossible for a woman to respect a man that she believes to be weaker than herself, and therefore in need of protecting (unless it's her own baby boy). Sure, they might respect the role he plays in bringing home paychecks and supporting their lifestyle, both financially and emotionally. But they don't respect him where it really counts.

He is doing his daughter a grave disservice by letting her think she's stronger than her own father. She'll learn the truths of reality the hard way - by reaching 40, childless and alone, wondering where all the "good" men have gone. At least she'll have her BFF dad to call to lift her up. She'll remember that she's stronger than him, which should be a comfort in her home empty of love and laughter, but full of cats.

Blogger Taqiyyotomist July 02, 2014 10:45 AM  

Somewhat related:

http://rt.com/usa/169840-us-navy-fourstar-female/

And she's vibrant, too! I don't know whether she's done a hat trick and is a lesbian or not.`

Anonymous Heh July 02, 2014 10:47 AM  

Normally Y sperm are faster than X sperm. In Scalzi's case, either he doesn't have any, or the X sperm are just so much better.

He gave the X sperm a head start. Because male privilege. Because he's tired of the Y sperm playing on the easiest setting.

Anonymous T14 July 02, 2014 10:47 AM  

That's...unacceptable. I mean, a man with a a sub-300 wilks is iffy.

I'm also guessing he means powerlifting and not weightlifting.

Anonymous zen0 July 02, 2014 10:48 AM  

Give Scalzi some credit, at least he raises his child. I would say that majority of people I know don't have fathers in their lives.

And now you know another one

Anonymous Josh July 02, 2014 10:50 AM  

morning 6-mile runs

Freaking masochist joggers...

Anonymous Real Talk July 02, 2014 10:51 AM  

Scalzi supports ObamaCare... so we can all have the pleasure to pay for this:

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/surprised-fat-man-25234855.jpg

Blogger Shimshon July 02, 2014 10:53 AM  

Dystopic, you might've puked your guts out, but you still beat her. You might've had to work that much harder. BUT. YOU. STILL. BEAT. HER. The second faster female runner in the country.

Anonymous hygate July 02, 2014 10:57 AM  

" At best it is what it was for me: motivation to do better."

Yep. If I had a teenage daughter who could lift more weight than me I wouldn't brag about it. I would put down the double cheeseburger and get my ass to the gym.

Blogger Matt July 02, 2014 11:09 AM  

BTW: I think it's ridiculous for people to say that physical strength is not an essential part of being a man... it is. I'm not saying we all have to be able to bench 315, but there is no excuse for a man to not be able to bench 225.

Even if something took away your strength, like an accident or illness, you're still less of a man.

Anonymous Michael Maier July 02, 2014 11:10 AM  

Wow... Our Mrs. Bunny a ghast... the utter desperation for a comeback is utterly desperate.

Quatsch mit Soße...

Anonymous Daniel July 02, 2014 11:13 AM  

Sounds like someone panty-raided the Nielsen-Haydens.

Impossible. Rommel couldn't have pulled that one off.

Anonymous Real Talk July 02, 2014 11:15 AM  

Because if you're a Fox TV executive, this is what you want to look at (and do business with):

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/surprised-fat-man-25234855.jpg

Anonymous Steveo July 02, 2014 11:16 AM  

FUBAR Nation Ben & Josh... thanks for the videos - funny, no too funny. Spilling coffee funny.

Anonymous OFFENDED RABBIT July 02, 2014 11:17 AM  

eseld ‏@eseldmorwenna 1h
Vox Day's blog comes as a comfort to me because it proves to me that I am indeed smarter than (some) award-winning novelists.

eseld ‏@eseldmorwenna 1h
I just discovered Vox Day's blog and I'm laughing out loud (accompanied by pain from my rib injury) at how stupid and offensive this guy is.

https://twitter.com/eseldmorwenna/status/484330153821372416

Anonymous OFFENDED RABBIT July 02, 2014 11:21 AM  

Child molestation is "so funny. .... intrinsically hilarious ..."
https://twitter.com/jimworrad/status/483924908410671104

Anonymous GreyS July 02, 2014 11:22 AM  

The Naive Stupidity Of Publicly Crowing That Your Teen Daughter Is Stronger Than You Are.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell July 02, 2014 11:25 AM  

The longer the distance, the closer men's and women's times.

Anonymous Daniel July 02, 2014 11:27 AM  

Even if something took away your strength, like an accident or illness, you're still less of a man.

This is ridiculous. The grand patriarch of the family, at age 90, who wrestled in high school, farmed and built houses and train lines, who currently was binding the entire family together...is less of a man because he's sick in bed with pneumonia?

If you really think that, then your reason is as limp as McRapey's grip on reality...just in the other direction. Manhood is not measured in pounds (lifted or bodyweight). Manhood will impact many things, including trivial things like PRs and fitness. Because McRapey lacks manhood, he hides behind women and lawns, and is lame in the weightroom and obsessed with the laundry.

If he works out for a year and then benches 200, he will be no more of a man than he is today...because it won't ever be enough.

You are mixing up sets and subsets.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell July 02, 2014 11:27 AM  

Scalzi is probably one of those creepy dads who celebrate their daughter's sexuality and encourage their sluttiness.

OpenID cailcorishev July 02, 2014 11:27 AM  

1. He is pretty flabby. I couldn't wager a guess BMI wise, but it's clear he doesn't do the least minimal physical activity at all. I would wager absolutely no exercise other than what it takes to physically exist in America.

For people who are in shape, or have ever been in shape, it's hard to believe how weak men who have never lifted anything can be. I grew up on a farm and played sports, and was in pretty good shape. Then I did pretty much nothing for a decade and got soft. I didn't have anywhere near the strength or endurance that I'd had before, but when some friends asked me to help them move, I was still the strongest one there. Once you have the muscle, it takes a long time to lose it completely, if ever. Most guys, at some point in their lives, develop some strength that stays with them.

On the other hand, I was once at a party where people were playing horseshoes. One guy was a doctor and really looked and acted like he'd never played a sport or lifted anything heavier than a scalpel. He literally couldn't throw a horseshoe the 40 feet to the stake without putting all his strength into it and flinging it wildly. So I guess I can believe Scalzi is that weak, not that that makes it much better than if he were faking it to pump her up.

Anonymous Sigyn July 02, 2014 11:31 AM  

Even if something took away your strength, like an accident or illness, you're still less of a man.

I'm guessing you're not in contact with many amputees.

OpenID cailcorishev July 02, 2014 11:33 AM  

In four years, I probably won't be able to get past him at all. But I'm sure not going to make it easy for him.

I never let kids beat me at anything. If they challenge me, I do my best to pound them like a tent stake -- with sportsmanship, of course. I tell them, "If you beat me, you'll know you beat me fair and square at my best, and it'll mean something to you." If it takes years, or hundreds of tries, so what?

Anonymous Sigyn July 02, 2014 11:34 AM  

The grand patriarch of the family, at age 90, who wrestled in high school, farmed and built houses and train lines, who currently was binding the entire family together...is less of a man because he's sick in bed with pneumonia?

AMEN.

Anonymous HalibetLector July 02, 2014 11:38 AM  

she was minutes ahead of all the other girls

I ran with a pack of girls who's family had a legacy in track and field and cross country. In an 800m indoor race (on a 200m track, so 4 laps) these girls would lap every one of their competitors every time. But if you look at their splits and compare them to mine, I would have lapped them.

These girls won multiple state championships every year. In the 800, I never once placed above 6th. This was a startling thing to notice as a blue pill teenager.

Blogger V July 02, 2014 11:40 AM  

To be fair, she's probably been able to out lift him since she was 12. He just waited till she was a teen to feel better.

I'll spot him this much: If he's talking about specifically the quick lifts (snatch, c&j), then I find it reasonable since it's a very specific skill that without training, you're screwed. But I doubt that's what he means.

Blogger Matt July 02, 2014 11:41 AM  

@Daniel

Yep, that 90 year old is still less of a man than he was. That's part of why getting old is so sad. It ruins us and makes us a shell of what we were. Just my opinion though.

The same thing for injuries... they take away and make a person less than they were. Again, that's why serious injuries suck.

Blogger Dystopic July 02, 2014 11:43 AM  

Even if something took away your strength, like an accident or illness, you're still less of a man.

No, this is off too. Then we would have to say that masculinity is measured only in physical strength, and that is completely wrong. Emotional strength and courage is a big part of it. The soldier who loses an arm in combat saving his fellow men is no less masculine (or less of a man) for the loss of his arm, but is MORE masculine for the bravery and sacrifice he demonstrated. The man who can't walk after a car accident, but spends years overcoming the disability and manages to defy all expectations by walking again, even if weakly, is no less of a man. He has demonstrated persistence and determination in the face of terrible odds.

Scalzi did not overcome a debilitating condition, nor sacrifice for his fellow men, nor work out and get stronger in an attempt to alleviate his weakness. He proclaims his weakness as a positive and as such will never overcome it. THAT is why he is not masculine, not because he cannot bench press a certain amount in the gym.

Anonymous DT July 02, 2014 11:46 AM  

It's OK because once a month Scalzi bleeds more then his daughter. #ItAllEvensOut

Blogger Matt July 02, 2014 11:47 AM  

@Dystopic

How is the soldier that loses an arm more manly now that his arm is missing? Was he brave? Of course he was. That was a very manly act, but it's end result was in him being less of a man. He is missing an arm now. He is going to have difficulty with some of the most basic tasks. He won't be able to work as effectively, provide for his family as effectively, or defend his family as effectively.

Blogger Dystopic July 02, 2014 11:49 AM  

These girls won multiple state championships every year. In the 800, I never once placed above 6th. This was a startling thing to notice as a blue pill teenager.

Exactly. As fast as this girl was, and as hard as I worked to beat her... I still did not make the top 10 against the rest of the guys. The second fastest girl in the country was beaten by a number of guys, including me, who didn't even place. That was an eyeopener for me, too.

Anonymous JC July 02, 2014 11:49 AM  

This 2006 conversation between Scalzi and his daughter may be of interest to some of you.

Blogger Dystopic July 02, 2014 11:51 AM  

How is the soldier that loses an arm more manly now that his arm is missing? Was he brave? Of course he was. That was a very manly act, but it's end result was in him being less of a man. He is missing an arm now. He is going to have difficulty with some of the most basic tasks. He won't be able to work as effectively, provide for his family as effectively, or defend his family as effectively.

Easy to counter. Take the disabled soldier and sit him in a chair next to Scalzi, who has full (if weak) use of all of his limbs. Who's the better man?

Blogger Mekadave July 02, 2014 11:53 AM  

This 2006 conversation between Scalzi and his daughter may be of interest to some of you.

So..... many..... jokes......

Anonymous Sigyn July 02, 2014 11:55 AM  

That's part of why getting old is so sad. It ruins us and makes us a shell of what we were. Just my opinion though.

Oh, no, it's not just yours. There are plenty of subscribers to the Cult of Youth. Heck, it seems to me that this theme showed up in Plato's Republic.

But here is wisdom.

Blogger Matt July 02, 2014 11:56 AM  

@Dystopic

I guess it depends on what we consider as manliness. It's obviously more complex than just strength.
As far a toughness is concerned, I would think that an ex-soldier is still tougher than a writer. So yes, he would be more manly than Scalzi. But, it my opinion, he isn't as manly as he was before he was injured.
If you consider providing for your family, then I guess I'd say Scalzi was more manly. After all, Scalzi is quite rich and successful by most measurable metrics, where as a one-armed soldier probably doesn't have the means to provide for his family. In this respect, I'd say Scalzi is more manly.

I think we differ the most in that I don't believe that "manliness" is a constant. I think someone can be very manly at one point in their life, and rather pathetic at another.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 02, 2014 11:58 AM  

"Even if something took away your strength, like an accident or illness, you're still less of a man."

Nonsense; being a man is a matter of mind and spirit much more than of body. Or is a gorilla more of a man than a man? Is a clydesdale?

Anonymous Sigyn July 02, 2014 11:58 AM  

He won't be able to work as effectively, provide for his family as effectively, or defend his family as effectively.

I seem to recall there's some Imperative or philosophy or something that defines a man's worth by what he can do for a woman.

Blogger Matt July 02, 2014 11:59 AM  

... in the interest of honesty, I should add that I consider myself to be fairly manly. I'm in good shape, I work in a manly job (police officer), I can provide for my family financially...
I also accept that one day, hopefully not until I'm older, that I will be significantly less of a man than I am now.

Blogger Matt July 02, 2014 12:02 PM  

@Tom

I don't disagree with you, there is more to manliness than the physical. I just think that the physical component is important, and if something diminishes that, then that something diminishes someone's total manliness.
That doesn't mean it's the ONLY component, or that one can't be manly without physical strength... I just think it's a part of it.

Anonymous Daniel July 02, 2014 12:06 PM  

Matt, just stop, buddy. You don't even understand what you don't understand. I meant my question as rhetorical (about the patriarch), but if you could now answer it please, it might be useful.

Why is the good patriarch with pneumonia suddenly less of a man? Is an injured soldier more of a man than one who dies in combat? After all, he has more functioning limbs than a dead man.

The funny thing is, you are using John Scalzi's metric for manhood to measure it. Scalzi claims he's a man because he can't lift the weight. You claim anyone who can lift the weight is a man.

Both of you are oblivious: it isn't about the weight. It is about the man.

Blogger Herb Nowell July 02, 2014 12:10 PM  

I don't know which is funniest but I know which is saddest:

That John Scalzi (or anyone else) sees the need to brag about such successes on Twitter. I don't have a daughter but if see exceeded me in any positive category from mathematics to lifting to salary to swimming I suspect I'd be proud because fathers (decent ones at least) at proud of their children achieving good things.

However, I don't see my friends who are parents running to Twitter (or Facebook or whatever) to brag about every little thing. Now, I turn on Twitter maybe one a month and check Facebook about twice that so maybe that's why but when I do see things it's less today's little achievement and more life stage transitions.

Really, even if I'm a fan of someone's novels (and I did like Old Man's War and I'm sad what I considered interesting ideas, at least relative to current sci-fi in it, appear to have been accidents or twisted to be standard liberal bs) why do I care. I looked forward to the new Dresden book but I can't even tell you if the author's married much less what his theoretical daughter did today. I enjoyed Star Dogs after Sara Hoyt recommended it but I don't care if David Freer is taking the ferry to the mainland today. Speaking of Sara, having discovered her I'm consuming her books at a prodigious rate but I'm not that concerned on the state of the concrud she got at LibertyCon beyond how it's affecting her blogging. I care more than Kim Harrison has the final Hollows novel out than if she went to an S&M event this weekend despite my suspecting she's in the S&M scene based on non-sexual aspects of her series.*

Why do I care about any of this if you're not my sister talking about my nephews or a handful of close friends talking about their children? I'm reading your books to be entertained and, if you're really good at it, being challenged to think about some topic.

Then again, perhaps I don't get it because I don't get Twitter or Facebook in general as is demonstrated by how much I use them.

* For those who care, specifically her portrayal of vampires which, despite the strong romance secondary plot to the series, has nothing to do with sparkly bad boys who women can fix and much more to do with people in fear for their souls on the vampire side and having their individuality and personality consumed on the thrall side.

Anonymous Heh July 02, 2014 12:13 PM  

He brags about such things on twitter because he wants to celebrate strong, empowered women doing strong, empowered things, and thus highlight the difference between himself and the misogynists over here (particularly the RSHD In Chief).

Blogger ajw308 July 02, 2014 12:14 PM  

I doubt that @Scalzi would get such glittery support from the warren if he was bragging that his son was stronger than he is. Sexissss!!!!

Anonymous knee jerk rabbit July 02, 2014 12:15 PM  

Michael MaierJuly 02, 2014 11:10 AM
Wow... Our Mrs. Bunny a ghast... the utter desperation for a comeback is utterly desperate.

Quatsch mit Soße..."

Whatever, Nazi.

Anonymous Josh July 02, 2014 12:15 PM  

I work in a manly job (police officer)

NWA was right...

Anonymous NateM July 02, 2014 12:17 PM  

AmyJ

He has a good relationship Now but my guess is in time 1) scalzis daughter will go from kid to women and realize how pathetic the man is or 2) be crippled in her choices by picking up her fathers opinion that any guy that isn't a mangina is a "douchebag"

Blogger Desiderius July 02, 2014 12:17 PM  

"They are making fun of you because you think that your being a pussy somehow ameliorates your daughter."

No, the problem is that its not about his daughter at all. Its all about John, all the time. Look at that great parenting, everyone!

It's the solipsism that makes the pussy. The need for constant validation is unmanly.

Blogger Matt July 02, 2014 12:17 PM  

@Daniel
How is the patriarch with pneumonia not less of a man? What can he do now better than he could when he was healthy? Can he work? Can he provide for his family? Maybe he can, but not as well as he could when he was healthy. Which in my viewpoint makes him less than he was.
It's not just strength though, I'm sure there are plenty of people that are strong but not manly.

As far as the dead soldier goes... he's dead. A dead person can't be manly, they're just dead.


Anonymous Jack Amok July 02, 2014 12:26 PM  

Give Scalzi some credit, at least he raises his child. I would say that majority of people I know don't have fathers in their lives.

Scalzi's daughter doesn't have a father in her life either. She has two mothers, one of which is biologically male.

Anonymous Sigyn July 02, 2014 12:26 PM  

Which in my viewpoint makes him less than he was.

Your viewpoint is utilitarian and, as such, ignores the values that transcend the purely material.

What can he do better now? Spend time with his family. Teach by example about endurance and patience and courage at the end of life. Dedicate more time to God (because he has no more distractions).

You're remarkably shallow, but it's probably because you're still young and healthy; that happens. I'm guessing you haven't had a lot of contact with disabled people, either.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 02, 2014 12:30 PM  

How is the patriarch with pneumonia not less of a man?

I don't think you really understand this whole "man" thing Matt. Scalzi isn't unmanly simply because his teenage daughter can out-lift him. He's unmanly because there's no good reason that she can (i.e. he isn't 90 years old with pneumonia), and he's proud of the fact that he is such a wimp.

Blogger Matt July 02, 2014 12:31 PM  

@Sigyn
I am still young and healthy. I suspect you're right, that my view on manliness is very utilitarian. I don't think that manliness is the only , or even the most important, metric of someone's worth, though. I've known many fine people that weren't manly.

I don't consider teaching a manly activity, or dedicating time to religion. I consider those very important activities, but not manly.

Blogger Matt July 02, 2014 12:34 PM  

... I should also add that I don't think Scalzi is a particularly good example of "manliness." He is proud of his physical shortcomings, which I think is pathetic. He also has no backbone.

The only metric of manliness Scalzi measures up on is the ability to provide for his family.

Anonymous Jake From State Farm July 02, 2014 12:37 PM  

After he attacked me several times in his blog, I was going to challenge Scalzi to a fight. Now I'm glad I didn't. If I ever get the urge again, I'll take it up with his daughter.

Anonymous Porky July 02, 2014 12:41 PM  

You know what they say. Small pecs, big lawn.

Anonymous Ann "Manhands" Coulter - neocon cunt July 02, 2014 12:44 PM  

You guys still don't get it. The jocks, the popular kids in high school... they BULLIED Scalzi. They put him in lockers, gave him wedgies. That's who he is targeting with his tweets. The successful football player who married the prom queen... how do you think that guy feels when he sees the product of his malice???

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni July 02, 2014 12:48 PM  

Scalzi said he hadn't been in a gym since high school. Would he dare train for three months, with increasingly heavy weights, then compare himself again to his daughter? Or, he could just train exactly as much as his daughter does. Because: equality! Unless he's ninety or feeble in some way (!) he would outlift her after a couple of weeks, if he was doing the test honestly. I know, I dream.

Anonymous Feh July 02, 2014 12:55 PM  

Scalzi's daughter doesn't have a father in her life either. She has two mothers, one of which is biologically male.

Jury is still out on the latter point.

The only metric of manliness Scalzi measures up on is the ability to provide for his family.

Jury is still out on that, too. Unclear to what extent the half-orc spouse was (and is) the breadwinner.

Blogger Matt July 02, 2014 1:03 PM  

@Feh

For all of his faults, the inability to make money is not one that applies to Scalzi. He knows how to write books that sell. I'm pretty sure he's making bank.

Anonymous Sigyn July 02, 2014 1:04 PM  

I don't consider teaching a manly activity, or dedicating time to religion.

And yet God Himself puts those squarely in the province of men.

Anonymous kfg July 02, 2014 1:08 PM  

"Even the strongest women would have difficulty benching 95 lbs once."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Wln6hCS5Hs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxAc97K2I5M

Anonymous Delusionals July 02, 2014 1:08 PM  

He knows how to write books that sell. I'm pretty sure he's making bank.

I bet he made $75,000 last year. A fortune! Imagine all the grass seed you can buy with that kind of coin!

Anonymous GreyS July 02, 2014 1:09 PM  

"Weaker than my teenage daughter = Winning!"

Blogger Chris Mallory July 02, 2014 1:12 PM  

MATT:

"I work in a manly job (police officer)"

So, you are a thug and a parasite who lives off the work of men who actually do something productive. Not very manly at all if you ask me.

Due to an illness, I have trouble walking and my left arm is very weak. But I can still handle a .357 with my right arm with more than enough skill to defend myself from a thug like you.

Being a man is more mental than physical. But your profession shows you don't understand that.

Anonymous DT July 02, 2014 1:14 PM  

Just how bad of shape do you have to be in for your daughter to out lift you any way?

Looking at various state final results for girl's HS weightlifting...if you're a man and you try at all you should be able to out bench any HS girl in your weight class. If you're actually in shape, and not abnormally small, you should be out benching the girl's in the unlimited class. It's just biology.

Maybe Scalzi should see a doctor?

Blogger The Deuce July 02, 2014 1:14 PM  

Why stop there? Scalzi ought to take his family to an endocrinologist, so he he can brag on Twitter that his wife and daughter have more testosterone than him as well!

Blogger Tom Kratman July 02, 2014 1:17 PM  

Matt, part of your logical problem here is that you seem to be confusing the subjective and the objective. Example, Joshua Chamberlain. He was more of a man the day before he died at age 85, IIRC, than about 99% of the men who ever lived. He just wasn't as strong. But for that, there are gorillas and horses. That is objective. Subjectively, he was more effective as a man, doing a more manly job, at age 35, on 2 July, 1863, than he'd been as a younger man teaching rhetoric, even if he'd been stronger and healthier as a younger man. Subjectively, Hannibal had lost an eye before Cannae. He does not appear to have been an objectively less effective a man because of it.

Blogger Matt July 02, 2014 1:21 PM  

@Chris

I'm not really sure how my job makes me a thug or a parasite. Personally, I think I'm a pretty decent guy, better than some, worse than others... but I'm not a thug.

Not sure where you get off saying police officers are parasites either? I've heard plenty of bad things said about my career, some of them true, but I've never heard anyone refer to us as parasites.

Blogger Matt July 02, 2014 1:22 PM  

@Tom

Fair enough. I can't argue with that.

Anonymous Daniel July 02, 2014 1:25 PM  

For all of his faults, the inability to make money is not one that applies to Scalzi. He knows how to write books that sell. I'm pretty sure he's making bank.

The last time he mentioned his income, it was $100,000 gross before taxes off advances and royalties. His wife was still working. He appears to make a middle class income, with one dependent.

Do you consider that to be bank?

Blogger Matt July 02, 2014 1:26 PM  

@daniel

Didn't he just sign a big $ deal with Fox recently. That's what I was thinking of.

Anonymous Alexander July 02, 2014 1:26 PM  

The most obvious example of parasite would be where you sit on the side of the highway, pulling over cars that are a danger to nobody, for the day's pound of flesh.

Blogger Dystopic July 02, 2014 1:26 PM  

I don't consider teaching a manly activity, or dedicating time to religion. I consider those very important activities, but not manly.

You are not the arbiter of what is manly. Neither is Scalzi. Daniel said "it isn't about the weight. It is about the man." He is spot on. If you read up on Game you would understand that men are inherently less valuable to the propagation of our species. One man and a thousand women could keep us going. The reverse would mean extinction. So while women have a certain intrinsic value, men are only as valuable as their deeds. That is why masculinity is associated with overcoming the odds, being determined, having spirit and motivation.

There are many men throughout history that, perhaps, were not much more physically fit than Mr. Scalzi. We don't know how big the muscles of Jesus Christ were, but his sacrificial act of dying on the cross to redeem humanity is the height of what it means to be masculine. Socrates had the opportunity to escape death, but chose to face the hemlock as a man, so as to set an example for the philosophers to follow. Who knows how physically strong he was -- he could have been as physically unfit as Mr. Scalzi, but it wouldn't matter because what made him a man was his spirit.

Scalzi celebrates his weakness, he makes no effort to overcome it. Women can do this because they bring value no matter how weak they are. A woman can say "I'm not strong enough" and it is acceptable, it is fine. A man who says that better work his ass off to become stronger. I doubt Scalzi will go to the gym and start training -- he is content to be weak and tell everyone about his weakness. He is not a man in any spiritual sense.

Blogger Matt July 02, 2014 1:33 PM  

@alexander

I still fail to see how that's being a parasite. Besides, that's a job for highway patrol and state troopers, not police officers.

Anonymous cheddarman July 02, 2014 1:34 PM  

I wonder why scalzi does not tweet about his wife lifting more than him? Maybe she would beat his ass...

Anonymous Anonymous July 02, 2014 1:36 PM  

Tom Kratman: Awesome Joshua Chamberlain reference! True, too.

Anonymous Sigyn July 02, 2014 1:44 PM  

Women can do this because they bring value no matter how weak they are.

Even if she's too weak to make sammiches???

Anonymous Porky July 02, 2014 1:53 PM  

Why stop there? Scalzi ought to take his family to an endocrinologist, so he he can brag on Twitter that his wife and daughter have more testosterone than him as well!

You know what they say... tiny balls, big lawn.

Anonymous Porky July 02, 2014 1:56 PM  

And yet God Himself puts those squarely in the province of men.

Ooh...Sigyn for the win.

Anonymous kfg July 02, 2014 1:59 PM  

" . . .he was more effective as a man, doing a more manly job, at age 35, on 2 July, 1863 . . ."

There is something to be said for the manliness of being shot in the chest, mortally wounded, but taking nearly 50 years to actually lie down, whatever his condition was for the duration.

Anonymous Daniel July 02, 2014 2:06 PM  

Didn't he just sign a big $ deal with Fox recently. That's what I was thinking of

Motion picture deals can start at $500 for a six-month option (a rental of your film rights while they decide whether or not to go forward. A $5000 option is a very good option), and they may be brokered through the publisher...meaning that depending on the deal and the offer, McRapey may be on the back end of a deal that nets Tor a good deal of licensing cash, and himself a bit less.

Let's say the movies (we're not talking teevee - teevee money is worse, and it is for some syfy crap version of rapeshirts - i.e. summer filler) are actually greenlit and budgeted. His agent is probably good, and the movie might be budgeted as high as $100 million. This means scalzi's cash then will be capped at about $250,000 or maybe $300,000...if the movie is actually produced. Most aren't.

After all, Hollywood isn't exactly over the moon regarding the modest success of the far more wildly popular Ender's Game.

In other words, Scalzi has likely gotten thousands, not hundreds of thousands, minus his agent and lawyer, minus anything owed to Tor, so far.

More telling is that he has never once tweeted: "Made up to $1m with movie deal, thanks to wife and daughter for strongarming the negotiations!"

The guy humblebrags about his laundry duties. You don't think he'd broadcast making bank?

Here's the likely pitch:

Assistant: We have a pitch from a guy in a dress. It's a knockoff of Starship Troopers, but with an orgy instead of coed shower scene.

Producer: Starship Troopers? Wasn't that direct to video back in the 90s.

Assistant: Yeah, except for the first one. It did okay.

Producer: What's this one called?

Assistant: Old Man's War

Producer: Oy. And its got an orgy? Eesh. Call it Naked Moon instead and see if you can pick up the option for pocket change. Tell him it will capitalize at half-a-million.

Assistant: Half-a-mil? Isn't that a little steep?

Producer: Hell, yeah. I sure as hell don't want to shoot that turkey. I just don't want some dumbass over at Warner pulling another Gravity out from under us. That cap makes sure we never have to actually pay it. We can option it until doomsday if we have to.

Anonymous Heh July 02, 2014 2:12 PM  

Looking at various state final results for girl's HS weightlifting...if you're a man and you try at all you should be able to out bench any HS girl in your weight class.

http://www.goheavy.net/records/viewrecordset.aspx?recordsetguid=143623da-c8f5-492d-b577-7b15c663d6e4

The record bench press for a high school woman in my weight class is 253lbs.

I can do three sets of eight with that, no problem.

Go me! I'm stronger than a woman!

Anonymous Anonymous July 02, 2014 2:13 PM  

LP999

But the HUGO's were more important than weight lifting!

I love it, this goes in for another hilarious thread.

Stay healthy everyone!

Anonymous Real Talk July 02, 2014 2:13 PM  

Motion picture deals can start at $500 for a six-month option

Still... that's like 5000% more than Jim C. Hines or NK Jemisin earns in royalties per annum.

Anonymous Trimegistus July 02, 2014 2:20 PM  

I can't avoid thinking that Mr. Scalzi is lying through his teeth. What he claims is basically impossible, physically.

I live a pretty sedentary life myself; my job involves nothing more strenuous than typing and I loathe all forms of sport. I do some yard work but my yard is a lot smaller than Scalzi's. I'm about his age.

My wife and daughter are both into sports. They spend a couple of hours a week at practice and do running and other conditioning. And you know what? I'm still stronger than either of them. I can pick them up and carry them around. I can beat them arm-wrestling. (And you'd better believe I took great care to point this out to my daughter so she has no crazy illusions about being able to fight off even the weediest male attacker.)

John is either pathologically unhealthy or pathologically dishonest.

Anonymous kfg July 02, 2014 2:27 PM  

"John is either pathologically unhealthy or pathologically dishonest."

I'll go with c. All of the above.

Anonymous NateM July 02, 2014 2:29 PM  

I'd agree he's not making what people think writing. Why do you think he's always shoehorning in appearances at con's between his 'writing responsibility' and relying on dogs pics and guest posts on his blog. My guess is 30-40% of his income are derived from appearance fees

Blogger Matt July 02, 2014 2:45 PM  

I'm not really surprised that Scalzi isn't making as much as I assumed. He seems to have a mostly American fan base. He is pretty low profile otherwise... I only heard about him because of his Hugo win. He has next to 0 shelf presence in the UK.

Anonymous Baseball Savant July 02, 2014 2:48 PM  

I don't even lift!

Anonymous Daniel July 02, 2014 2:55 PM  

Still... that's like 5000% more than Jim C. Hines or NK Jemisin earns in royalties per annum.

No. Hines makes between $25,000 and $50,000 per year (minus taxes) in supplemental income to his government job as a creep-counter or rape-man or whatever it is he does from 8:30-4:30. That appears to be mostly from advances on his books for brave and troubled girls. I know he's disappointed in the sales of his gay goblin books.

Anonymous Gay Goblin July 02, 2014 2:58 PM  

"or whatever it is he does from 8:30-4:30. "

HE TWEETS on the job. Does his employer know about Jim Hine's online habits?

Anonymous Jack Amok July 02, 2014 3:05 PM  

I still fail to see how that's being a parasite.

Matt, any job where the salary is paid from tax revenue at least has the potential to be a parasitical occupation. And the distinction isn't whether or not you personally are a decent guy, it's what you spend your work time doing (and unless you're the Chief of Police, you probably don't have all that much control over that).

Do you spend more time apprehending people who have assaulted, robbed, raped or otherwise molested innocent citizens? Or do you spend more time issuing citations that carry a fine and help fill coffers? The more the balance tilts towards the first set of things, the less of a parasite.

If that's not clear enough, the quest is, at the end of the shift when you check out and head home, who has benefited from your time on the clock? Citizens, or the government? Have you protected citizens from fraud and violence, or have you simply enforced their obedience to government authority? One is laudable, the other isn't.

OpenID thetroll July 02, 2014 3:07 PM  

> I can't avoid thinking that Mr. Scalzi is lying through his teeth. What he claims is basically impossible, physically.

Oh, I don't know about that. A little Google-fu turns up a picture from December 12th 2012 in which we see that Miss Scalzi has a) a noticeably stronger jaw b) slightly wider shoulders and c) MUCH squarer shoulders than her father.

I do not find the idea that a year and a half of growing and training later she now has more upper body strength than he does more than mildly implausible. Actually, I'm not sure I find it implausible at all. She clearly picked the stronger parent to inherit from. Good choice there, young miss.

OpenID rufusdog July 02, 2014 3:10 PM  

I can't avoid thinking that Mr. Scalzi is lying through his teeth. What he claims is basically impossible, physically.

Your lack of weightlifting experience is showing. He isn’t necessarily lying. I’ve seen men struggle to bench 95 pounds, I’ve seen girls do 135 with ease (not many mind you, but I have seen it in my very normal life).

He was talking specifically about weight lifting, which is different than the “I can pick up my wife, beat her in arm wrestling” type of strength you refer to. Weight room strong does not translate into everyday strong; it is related to some extent…depending on what lift and normal activity you are comparing. I am a weight lifter and work in construction. I know I am weight room stronger than most (if not all) of the men I work with, but when it comes to moving around 80 sacks of concrete they can hang right with me. If we had a bench press contest I would blow them out of the water.

You might be surprised if you went in and tried to bench press how little weight you could do. Bench pressing is a good example of an exercise that doesn’t translate very well to normal life.

Let me find a chart I think is realistic and I will show you what I mean.

OpenID rufusdog July 02, 2014 3:26 PM  

http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLifting/StrengthStandards.html

So pick an exercise and compare an untrained male to a novice female, using the same body weight. Untrained men who have soft jobs really can be weak as kitten in a weight room, and a well trained women of the same weight can (and probably does) lift more weight than he can.

Now this assumes the women is training for strength, most of them don’t, they are training to be toned, they are after a certain look, they could care less about their numbers. Men tend to care much more about the number, lol, “how much can you bench” how many times have you heard that!

So, if ole John is soft as pudding and his girl is training hard (and possibly bigger/heavier than he his) it is very possible she is weight room stronger than he is.

Just say’n.

OpenID rufusdog July 02, 2014 3:28 PM  

Strength Standards

Blogger Matt July 02, 2014 3:37 PM  

@Jack

I spend the majority of my time on investigations, I'm not a patrol officer. We have a lot of gang issues, so that's the main thing, along with trafficking weapons.

Keep in mind, I'm not in the USA (although I did live there for a while) so I'm not entirely up to date on what's going on with Law Enforcement there.

Anonymous Hmm July 02, 2014 3:46 PM  

I’ve seen girls do 135 with ease

I've never seen a woman do 135. Not even once. I grant you I have only been in suburban gyms, not hard core bodybuilding gyms, and most of the women I see are much more concerned with aerobics than weightlifting.

Anonymous Huckleberry -- est. 1977 July 02, 2014 3:49 PM  

He was talking specifically about weight lifting, which is different than the “I can pick up my wife

I've got news for you, brother.
He can't pick up his wife, either.
I've seen the pictures.

Blogger rycamor July 02, 2014 3:51 PM  

Yes, Scalzi's problem is not the fact of weakness but the snarky pride in "defying those old gender stereotypes."

That being said, there has got to be a serious testosterone deficiency in modern America. I can't believe the manboobed slackness I see around me whenever I travel. I'm no strength monster by any stretch, yet I go into every hotel fitness room and max out every weight machine or laughable little dumbell set I see. It's pretty funny to note that not even 1 man in 10 can look me in the eye when they come in to do their little 15-minute walkathon on the treadmill, or grunt and stretch and wave the 25-lb dumbells around. It gets embarrassing sometimes.

You go back a few generations and we have ancestors who spent all day doing things like chopping down trees. I find it very, very... very humbling when I take my axe out in the woods and spend an hour or so chopping down a medium-sized tree. It's exhausting. Not like a pump-you-up weightlifting session exhausting, but a physically humbling beat-down exhausting. Doing that sort of thing all day for days on end must have taken a strength of character and determination that we rarely see in our time.

One of the things I find positively *infuriating* as a father of a young boy is how few modern movies and childrens' stories celebrate anything like this in men. In kids' stories most of the male heroes are antiheroes who can be tossed around like wet noodles by the strong, empowrrrrred girl hero. "Cloudy with a chance of Meatballs", "How to Train Your Dragon", "Diary of a WImpy Kid"... what gives? Yes I understand that it's important to give hope and dignity to boys who aren't the strongest, but these days we teach boys that only the girls and the Bad Guys are strong and determined. Also, the subtext is always that the strong guy is dumb as an ox. Some kids are very surprised when they find that doesn't hold true in the real world.

Anonymous Rob Lee July 02, 2014 3:59 PM  

Well, if you really want to hit him where it hurts, Vox, just say this: "So your daughter is very strong, eh? Excellent. That means she'll bear strong sons for my boys when they tame, mount and impregnate her."

Now THAT is how you properly backslap the little lickspittle gamma.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus July 02, 2014 4:16 PM  

"That's...unacceptable. I mean, a man with a a sub-300 wilks is iffy."

For the non-powerlifters the Wilks formula is an equation that tries to normalize for bodyweight differences to calculate relative strength between athletes of different weights.

I dunno about that....for a 170lb man: 300 wilks points equates to about a 945lb total, which is the combined weight of all three lifts: squat, bench press, and deadlift, so for this guy it would mean approximately a 315lb squat, bench, and dead…or more realistically a 365 squat, 215 bench, and 365 dead (most normal people squat and dead more than they bench) …which isn’t much for a serious lifter, but probably more than most men walking around on the street could do.

For a 215lb guy, 300 Wilks points is about an 1100lb total.

Incidentally, a 900+ raw (no gear) total for women would put them into a top three placing at the National-class of competition.

Blogger RobertW July 02, 2014 4:18 PM  

I'm a Vox fan, but I still say way too much is being made of this.

Anonymous Vidad July 02, 2014 4:20 PM  

@Rob Lee

Orcs and elves hate eachother's guts.

Anonymous Moldbuggery July 02, 2014 4:23 PM  

"I'm a Vox fan, but I still say way too much is being made of this."

Yes, we'd rather hear about soccer and pedophiles and the end of the U.S. dollar. NO MORE HUMOUR PLEASE

Anonymous Sigyn July 02, 2014 4:30 PM  

I'm a Vox fan, but I still say way too much is being made of this.

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