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Friday, July 25, 2014

How do you say "taqiyya" in Hebrew?

In the comments, Steve offered the excuse of superior motivation and "training" to explain the inordinate amount of Jewish success, first in Germany, now in the USA:
Whenever I read complaints about Jewish success, I wonder if people really want the totalitarian control which would be necessary to stop a high IQ, highly motivated, creative, hard working people from achieving it, because that is what is necessary to stop it. You have to give up your freedom to repress the successful and promote the mediocre and that is quite a price to pay, just because you don’t like Jewish billionaires or bankers or whatever. But as America has already travelled a way down that road (promotion of mediocre anyway), it probably won't be too much of a stretch. In any event, a little secret for your readers. When Jews succeed they do not look around and say to themselves: "so many Jews have succeeded before me, I had better stop now, because the Gentiles around here are going to get mad." There is no "group strategy" like that, - isn't that what McDonald calls it? No they are trained to think: "if that Jew made it, I can make it - only faster and better." Yes, that is the "secret" of the Jews. I myself don't think lazy and stupid and resentful would be better, but from the looks of things, I may be in the distinct minority...  I just think [ethnic nepotism] is complete BS. Wanting to believe someone else succeeded because someone else got the break.
I pointed out that the real "secret" of Jewish success is that Jews "relentlessly and ruthlessly promote other Jews at the expense of non-Jews while furiously fighting to prevent any efforts of the majority to do the same." Steve offers zero evidence in support of his assertions, raising numerous questions such as this one: do Jews actually work more hours in six days per week than every other group does in seven?

Now, there isn't anything intrinsically wrong with favoring one's own. It is normal human behavior. You see it in the NFL all the time; when Denny Green was hired as the Vikings head coach, the coaching staff suddenly went from being all-white to nearly half-black. Was that wrong? One could hardly criticize Green for bringing in the likes of Tony Dungy (later Super Bowl-winning head coach), Tyrone Willingham (later head coach at Stanford and Notre Dame), and Willie Shaw (Hall of Fame cornerback, father of current Stanford head coach David Shaw). And small groups will tend to stick together more successfully than large groups. But to simultaneously attempt to deny other groups the ability to do the same, and moreover, to deny doing what is observably being done, is both wrong and mendacious.

I've personally witnessed this in-group promotion in several different industries. To give one example, I have seen how the Littlest Chickenhawk was handed multiple opportunities to fail upward; he was nationally syndicated by Creators Syndicate as a teenager despite the fact that his WND column was banal and one of the least-read; my weekly readership there was 4.1 times larger than his. Now, at 30, he is editor-at-large of Breitbart News, guest hosts regularly for major talk show hosts, and appears regularly on news channels including CNN, Fox News, and Sun News Network in Canada. Is Ben Shapiro THAT much more talented or intelligent or insightful than I am? Than every other contributor at WND is? I doubt Shapiro himself would make such a claim?

And there is considerable evidence of that relentless in-group promotion described, both anecdotal and statistical. Ron Unz exposed the corruption in Ivy League admissions offices in an article entitled "The Myth of American Meritocracy":
Consider the case of Tiffany Wang, a Chinese immigrant student raised in the Silicon Valley area, where her father worked as an engineer. Although English was not her first language, her SAT scores were over 100 points above the Wesleyan average, and she ranked as a National Merit Scholarship semifinalist, putting her in the top 0.5 percent of high school students (not the top 2 percent as Steinberg mistakenly claims). Nevertheless, the admissions officer rated her just so-so in academics, and seemed far more positively impressed by her ethnic activism in the local school’s Asian-American club. Ultimately, he stamped her with a “Reject,” but later admitted to Steinberg that she might have been admitted if he had been aware of the enormous time and effort she had spent campaigning against the death penalty, a political cause near and dear to his own heart. Somehow I suspect that a student who boasted of leadership in pro-death penalty activism among his extracurriculars might have fared rather worse in this process. And presumably for similar reasons, Tiffany was also rejected by all her other prestigious college choices, including Yale, Penn, Duke, and Wellesley, an outcome which greatly surprised and disappointed her immigrant father....

Finally, there was the case of Becca Jannol, a girl from a very affluent Jewish family near Beverly Hills, who attended the same elite prep school as Julianna, but with her parents paying the full annual tuition. Despite her every possible advantage, including test-prep courses and retaking the exam, her SAT scores were some 240 points lower on the 1600 point scale, placing her toward the bottom of the Wesleyan range, while her application essay focused on the philosophical challenges she encountered when she was suspended for illegal drug use. But she was a great favorite of her prep school counselor, who was an old college friend of the Wesleyan admissions officer, and using his discretion, he stamped her “Admit.” Her dismal academic record then caused this initial decision to be overturned by a unanimous vote of the other members of the full admissions committee, but he refused to give up, and moved heaven and earth to gain her a spot, even offering to rescind the admissions of one or more already selected applicants to create a place for her. Eventually he got her shifted from the Reject category to wait-list status, after which he secretly moved her folder to the very top of the large waiting list pile.

In the end “connections” triumphed, and she received admission to Wesleyan, although she turned it down in favor of an offer from more prestigious Cornell, which she had obtained through similar means. But at Cornell, she found herself “miserable,” hating the classes and saying she “didn’t see the usefulness of [her] being there.” However, her poor academic ability proved no hindrance, since the same administrator who had arranged her admission also wrangled her a quick entrance into a special “honors program” he personally ran, containing just 40 of the 3500 students in her year. This exempted her from all academic graduation requirements, apparently including classes or tests, thereby allowing her to spend her four college years mostly traveling around the world while working on a so-called “special project.” After graduation, she eventually took a job at her father’s successful law firm, thereby realizing her obvious potential as a member of America’s ruling Ivy League elite, or in her own words, as being one of “the best of the best.”

Steinberg’s description of the remaining handful of Wesleyan applicants seems to fall into a very similar pattern, indicating that our elite admissions process operates under the principle of “Ideology and Diversity tempered by Corruption.” 
One wonders how many of the "honors" students shared her background. Steve and Miss Jannol may believe her "success" is the result of her innate Jewish superiority, but the facts demonstrate otherwise. And even the familiar appeals to intelligence are increasingly outdated; as the demographic math would indicate was bound to happen, Jews have been completely surpassed by elite Asians in the National Merit Scholarship program and have therefore resorted to using the very sort of quotas they once complained WASPs used to keep them out of the Ivy League.

As Unz observed: "The last 20 years have brought a huge rise in the number of Asians winning top academic awards in our high schools or being named National Merit Scholarship semifinalists. It seems quite suspicious that none of trends have been reflected in their increased enrollment at Harvard and other top Ivy League universities."

These are the facts. Facts are not anti-semitic, they are merely the truth of the world as it is. And the truth, however uncomfortable, will be sought after and observed here: the more any commenter attempts to obscure the truth, the more I will take the time and effort required to expose whatever it is he is trying to hide. I had actually moved on from the subject until commenters like Steve started showing up and attempting to pass off transparent deceit as truth. And before Steve attempts to dig himself in any deeper, it may be helpful to keep in mind that I am one of those National Merit semifinalists and I am not easily baffled with bullshit. Every assertion made will require evidential support. Every statement made will be dissected, and every retreat into rhetoric will be noted as such.

For whatever reason, Steve is attempting to hide the observable fact that the inordinate success presently enjoyed by Jews in America is not the inevitable result of working harder, being more intelligent, or innate ethnic superiority, but is primarily due to a laudable dedication to in-group promotion being expressed in a variety of means, some legitimate, and some not. I assume he is doing so in an attempt to prevent an anti-semitic reaction, but whatever his motivation may be, I will point out that deception and misinformation do not work for long on those with open eyes and functional memories.

People are certainly free to ignore my warnings. Most have in the past and I assume most will in the future. But if Steve thinks Americans are going to meekly accept the financial pillaging of their nation any more tamely than the European nations historically have, especially when they have also suffered the demographic demolition of their country, I think he is woefully mistaken. And, I note, there are more than a few Jewish leaders who more or less agree with my concerns.

It's not a real problem yet. The difference between Israel's disapproval rating in the USA and in France, (which is a reasonable proxy) is nearly 50 percent; 27 percent vs 65 percent. If that percentage begins to rise in the next five years, it will be an initial indication that my read of the situation is correct.

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Anonymous N5 July 25, 2014 5:53 AM  

This has exactly been my experience wish the Tribe. I have a close friend who, in moments of candor, admits that this is how his Landsmanner operate.

Blogger Shimshon July 25, 2014 6:09 AM  

Vox, I disagree with much of your assessment, although the idea of ruthless preferential group treatment rings true.

But regardless of that, I think the more important point, which you emphasize but many people just don't get, is, there are many more non-Jews out there who see it similarly, but further, unlike Vox, have hostile intent on Jews.

Go ahead and argue...

Anonymous VD July 25, 2014 6:20 AM  

I disagree with much of your assessment

Which parts? Do you truly believe Jews work more hours per week than non-Jews? Do you think that Jews are not favored by Ivy League admissions offices? Do you honestly think there are more high-IQ Jews in America than equally high-IQ WASPs or Asians? Or are you simply talking about the long-term prospects for America going the route of Germany?

As far as the latter goes, I can certainly see a number of scenarios that are neutral from the Jewish perspective. But that doesn't meant they're going to be anything that anyone would want to stick around for anyhow.

Anonymous VD July 25, 2014 6:27 AM  

unlike Vox, have hostile intent on Jews.

I appreciate that you, for one, can recognize that. I have no doubt people will look at what I wrote there and conclude: "he's just jealous of Ben Shapiro". Which would, I suspect, amuse the radio folks who can't even get me to show up for a phone interview nine times out of ten. I literally have six invitations to radio shows in my inbox right now, one of which I agreed to but then had to cancel.

I suspect part of my lack of motivation to play the media whore game was that I prefer not to play when the deck is stacked against me. The fact that it is boring, shallow, bombastic, and futile, didn't help, of course.

The Littlest Chickenhawk is welcome to his mini-media empire. If people seriously want to listen to him, that's not my problem.

Anonymous Toby Temple July 25, 2014 6:38 AM  

After reading that, I just have to ask, are Jews natural "Machiavellians"?

Blogger Shimshon July 25, 2014 6:54 AM  

I remember when Ben got his start. My first, and I believe still correct, assessment was "lightweight." He must've had "protektzia" as we call it in Israel. I have friends in Los Angeles who knew him and were impressed. Maybe impressed he had a column. Because he certainly didn't have an original thought.

My impression is that Jews in general are more ambitious. Hollywood in particular is a disgusting zero-sum dog-eat-dog world that has huge Jewish influence, regardless of the absolute numbers. I got a practically first-person description from my brother, who, for a time, wanted to be an agent. The agents and trainees were all supremely ambitious, backstabbers all (my brother burned out on it), and mostly Jewish, according to my recollection.

Some of that ambition is certainly manifested through questionable means, but much of it is quite legitimate. It might also be distasteful, so unchecked ambition, even if legal, is a bad long term strategy when living amongst the Goyim, if you take my drift.

But yes, in my own personal experience, all other things being equal, Jews are simply more ambitious. And that type of character trait will manifest in the way it has.

Anonymous trev006 July 25, 2014 6:56 AM  

Reading Vox is a pleasure mainly for excellent points like this. I always thought the reason Shapiro was so heavilly promoted was because he was a relatively articulate 16-year old (faint praise!) and later because he was a veteran columnist after having started writing since he was 16. The fact he's a lawyer who hasn't done anything truly interesting since taking up writing has never ceased to baffle me.

At any rate, even if people don't agree with the assessment of Frum or Shapiro, what about Jennifer Rubin? God, I think reading Kathleen Parker is less irritating, and that takes effort. When does Steve want me to stop listing mediocrities who call for Israeli nationalism and American multiculturalism? The fact is, I can do this all day.

After reading that article, my eyes are opened. Maybe Jews have a relatively higher proportion of high IQ people compared to Asians or whites, but when that turns into wildly disproportional representation for limted Ivy League slots, I can see why people who have worked super hard would get angry. Is that part of why the Chinese are hostile to Jewish interests? I don't think that it helps, for certain.

Blogger Shimshon July 25, 2014 7:03 AM  

My family may be exceptional, but I don't think so. I have first cousin who's game company was bought out by Microsoft. I have several other cousins who have been very successful in other forms of businesses, whether real estate, or finance, etc. My brother is very successful in his own business. This just my father's side. My mother was an only child my family there was more distant. I'm the least successful financially of my generation on my father's side, out of eight first cousins. I also happen to be the least ambitious in that regard.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 25, 2014 7:10 AM  

@Toby Temple After reading that, I just have to ask, are Jews natural "Machiavellians"?

Is human nature "Machiavellian"? Well I suppose that is a good but broader question.

But in answer to your's, the answer is, no.

Jews have a strong sense of community and an inbred trust issue outside of that community.

The circumstances of the diaspora led the Jews that ended up in Europe, to select for a higher than average numeric intelligence. The Jews that weren't fast on their feet and sharp in the head did not reproduce.

They are more comfortable recruiting and promoting people who share their own background and attitudes. This simply human nature. Upside, the hiring agency is likely to be getting someone with a halfway decent work ethic and a higher than the mean, intelligence. Though in my own experience it is the comfort part that matters.

Anonymous VD July 25, 2014 7:15 AM  

Is that part of why the Chinese are hostile to Jewish interests?

I very much doubt that the Chinese who were surveyed in China know anything about recent Ivy League admissions practices.

Blogger Shimshon July 25, 2014 7:19 AM  

Interesting question on the Chinese. Maybe they feel more beholden to their own huge Muslim population?

I wouldn't be surprised if it's because they view it as a US client state.

Anonymous Michael of Charlotte July 25, 2014 7:21 AM  

The story of Tiffany Wang truly angers me. She is the cream of the crop and should be given the entrance to those kind of institutions. But like you Vox, I couldn't help but think about how a candidate like her would fair if she had strong conservative extracurricular activities on her application. This is the kind of thing that really gets under my skin.

And the Jews should be worried about their future in this country. You posted a story about someone in leadership, a dual citizen with Israel who was giving them block grants in the billions. He referred to Israel as his country while he's doling MY country's money. That and this story really have changed my view of Israel and Jews as a whole.

Once trust is lost...

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 25, 2014 7:23 AM  

In a bit of justice Hollywood gets reamed by the Chinese, you can stream good quality new releases with sub-titles the day of release in China. So if Obama suddenly starts sounding the yellow peril then those 32,000 dollar a plate fund raisers are paying dividends.

Anonymous Stilicho July 25, 2014 7:25 AM  

Shimson, I thought you were the one who told me a couple of years ago that you would personally favor another Jew in business relationships over a non-jew due to enthnic-religious obligations.

Anonymous zen0 July 25, 2014 7:25 AM  

@ Shimshon

Some of that ambition is certainly manifested through questionable means, but much of it is quite legitimate. It might also be distasteful, so unchecked ambition, even if legal, is a bad long term strategy when living amongst the Goyim, if you take my drift.

Maybe the recommendations from the Talmud have simply become culturally ingrained. Stuff like lying, cheating, and stealing from the Goyim being an approved practice because they are merely animals in human form.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 25, 2014 7:27 AM  

I for one could care less about poor "Asian-American" Tiffany, she can bring her act to my house and mow my lawn. I personally want my hostile elite dumb as box of rocks.

How much longer can the Frankfurt School curriculum hold sway? The dumb goy who spew that script given to them are losing their moral superiority quickly and all their screechings are seen for what they are, venomous propaganda more in need of jail time then intellectual debate.

Anonymous Surfer July 25, 2014 7:30 AM  

Shapiro is to conservatives media what Stephanopoulos is to liberal media. Shapiro's arguments against raising the minimum wage were so boilerplate and economically illiterate, Vox would destroy his arguments in a debate.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben July 25, 2014 7:30 AM  

Excellent post by Vox. I actually bought one of Shapiro's books that was promoted through WND and found it to be mediocre (the one about leftist indoctrination on campus). He's not a good writer.

I like how you call him Little Chickenhawk, because that's what people like him are. They'll talk about how we need to go to war all the time but they themselves got deferments or probably wouldn't even be let into the army due to being so physically weak.

I have a friend who basically runs one of the pro-Israel advocacy organizations in new jersey. They get a bunch of rich Jews to bribe politicians to vote their way. The funny thing is that there are increasingly Arab settlers settling in new jersey that voted in their pro-Arab representative when the seat was previously occupied by a pro-Israeli rep. And my friend is a communist that says if he could go back in time he would want to meet Marx.

In regards to intelligence, I'm not sure what you're trying to say because it's always been known that Asians have the highest IQ's.

In regards to promoting your own, this is very true. All groups do it except working class Christian whites.

Blogger Shimshon July 25, 2014 7:31 AM  

I didn't say anything about "lying, cheating, and stealing." I was discussing one possible reason for Jewish success not attributable to intelligence and the like. By the way, also, living in Los Angeles, New York was an entirely different type of ambition altogether.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben July 25, 2014 7:33 AM  

Michael, I think you're referring to Sheldon Adelson, the man that supports Israeli borders but wants open borders here in the US. He should move to Israel. Then he could open casinos at Eilat.

Blogger njartist July 25, 2014 7:38 AM  

Jewish taqqiya is why I deeply suspect Islam is a poorly done imitation of the Talmudic religion.

Why Mohammed did have a Catholic wife before he founded his "religion," he also had a Jewish mystic as an instructor or teacher after his wife died.

Anonymous Samuel Scott July 25, 2014 8:02 AM  

FUBAR Nation Ben July 25, 2014 7:33 AM

Michael, I think you're referring to Sheldon Adelson, the man that supports Israeli borders but wants open borders here in the US. He should move to Israel. Then he could open casinos at Eilat.


FYI -- gambling's illegal in Israel, but there are often government raids. However, there is, if I recall correctly, a big casino in Jericho in the West Bank.

Anonymous zen0 July 25, 2014 8:03 AM  

@ Shimshon

I didn't say anything about "lying, cheating, and stealing." I was discussing one possible reason for Jewish success not attributable to intelligence and the like.

I would suggest "backstabbing" usually involves one or all of those elements.

Anonymous Jeigh Di July 25, 2014 8:05 AM  

As Israel's ultra orthodox community continues to grow, the country's policy toward Christians may become more hostile. This coupled with increasing friction between it and the US may change many American's attitude about it and Jews in general.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2014 July 25, 2014 8:05 AM  

There's more to the equation than "looking after your own"/"I'll scratch my back you scratch mine. Delusions of moral adequacy lead to shallow vainglorious ambition. The money is fiat airy. The awards are gilded not solid. The prestige an illusion. There are no pockets in a shroud.

Christians have been taught to be introspective, let a man examine himself. Their overt contributions to institutions are thus orders of magnitude more important.

If it wasn't for cultural amnesia the world wouldn't have been turned upside down so. Yamamoto, Japanese Admiral, feared awakening America's then industrial might, as a sleeping giant.

If Christians woke up to what they have let slip - this earth would not have seen an earthquake like it.

Blogger Shimshon July 25, 2014 8:09 AM  

Samuel Scott, IIRC the casino has been closed for years.

Blogger CM July 25, 2014 8:09 AM  

In regards to promoting your own, this is very true. All groups do it except working class Christian whites.

I don't think out of lack of desire. After all, we get legally prosecuted for discrimination.

There's a private college here who punished a Christian organization for not allowing someone who holds different beliefs to be president of their club. They were blacklisted on campus, not allowed to hold meetings in common spaces and had some weird pre revolutionary war rule about more than 3 gathered in a dorm room. They had to meet off campus for everything they did.

Blogger Shimshon July 25, 2014 8:17 AM  

Not all professions Jews embarked on were as...ungentlemanly...as Hollywood. It is an extreme outlier, with a limited audience (even people who want to get into the business often give up because they indeed aren't that ruthless). Hey, the ambitious get things done. Sometimes that's good. Sometimes not. I would apply the term ambitious to many of my fellow Jews I have encountered in my life. I would not use words like backstabbing and so forth, even though they obviously do exist.

It's what drives parents to game the system to get their plainly unworthy children preferential treatment. Not everyone would go that far. Most wouldn't.

Anonymous bob k. mando July 25, 2014 8:19 AM  

what is Nick Gillespie ( aside from apatheist )? he's clearly a 2nd or 3rd tier intellect, yet he's been editor-in-chied or asst EiC over at Reason forever.

Blogger Shimshon July 25, 2014 8:20 AM  

Further to the article, it is interesting that the Jews of the time challenging the quota system weren't interested in abolishing it, but merely tweaking it to their advantage.

Anonymous Flinders July 25, 2014 8:23 AM  

"I have already been deemed inadequate/inappropriate/undesirable by those who decide such things, so you can almost surely look forward to years of thoughtless repetition of Republican party talking points from them and a few others of the anointed in numerous papers around the country, culminating eventually in one of them claiming the coveted token nominally conservative Republican slot in the New York Times. My money is on Shapiro."

That was in 2005 and the first half is true. Surely his NYT offer is coming soon.

Anonymous VD July 25, 2014 8:34 AM  

That was in 2005 and the first half is true. Surely his NYT offer is coming soon.

Ross Douthat beat him to it. But perhaps he'll be given David Brook's "conservative Jew" chair when he retires.

Blogger Bob Wallace July 25, 2014 8:34 AM  

It's not what you know. It's who you know. When I got out of college I found there was really an Old Boy's Network and all the top jobs were reserved for graduates of Harvard and Yale. I found, to my surprise, they weren't competent.

Anonymous 74adamlel July 25, 2014 8:43 AM  

"But if Steve thinks Americans are going to meekly accept the financial pillaging of their nation any more tamely than the European nations historically have, especially when they have also suffered the demographic demolition of their country, I think he is woefully mistaken."

How can someone with your obvious ability to reason and deconstruct a situation possibly conclude that that "the financial pillaging" of America is the fault of the Jews? As I mentioned before, during the latest financial crisis Americans had every opportunity to assign blame and no one pointed at jews. This isn't because they have been deceived or blinded by the media.

Americans blamed the power of corporate America, Wall Street, Bankers...as they should have. Does anyone really think it is the Jews fault that those on Wall Street are able to deploy the carried interest loophole in the tax code that has their income taxes at a far lower rate than the salesman on the street or the hairdresser?

Was it the Jews who lobbied to keep those administering Medicare from being able to negotiate better prices with Big Pharma, putting billions in corporate pockets?

America has long served corporate interests first. Look at the Citizens United decision. Good lord. This decision now provides corporations with a soul on par with the individual. Did Jews really engineer this?

If there is a reckoning, it will be corporate America, Wall Street, and those who have supported policies that give the rich even more advantages that will be blamed.

Anyone thinking Americans will turn on Jews is being blinded by something that prevents them from properly reasoning or simply observing.

Anonymous Hunsdon July 25, 2014 8:47 AM  

Perhaps as a marker of my age, when Vox referred to the Littleist Chickenhawk, I immediately thought of Jonah Goldberg. Little Ben, of course, is an even more amusing instance. (He's the neo-cons' Pavel Morozov!)

Anonymous Anonymous July 25, 2014 8:49 AM  

i suspect you are both correct and incorrect. specifically, jews probably promote their own. but, they are also pretty damn smart. in physics and math, jews dominate. i question whether politics could create mathematical or scientific ability (i'm not talking physics and math academic positions- i'm talking high level, genuine innovation-nobel prize level stuff).
so, sure, jews promote their own. but jews are just smart, too.

anonymousse

Anonymous Hunsdon July 25, 2014 8:50 AM  

Shimshon said that there are many more non-Jews out there who see it similarly, but further, unlike Vox, have hostile intent on Jews.

Hunsdon said: My dear old grandfather, Lord rest his soul, once told me that if someone thinks you're an asshole, there's an even chance that he's right and an even chance that he's wrong, and that he's an asshole. But if everyone thinks you're an asshole, you're probably an asshole.

And I keep hearing that anti-Semitism is this disease, this unexplainable disease, where everyone, everywhere, throughout history, has hated Jews for no reason at all.

Anonymous N5 July 25, 2014 8:53 AM  

Shimshon, we Gentiles like being called goyim probably less than you like being called "pushy hooked nose kike."

Anonymous Benstuyve July 25, 2014 8:53 AM  

"My impression is that Jews in general are more ambitious."

The ambition of the young Jew or Jewess is a direct result of the jewish culture that is cultivated inside the family and extended family unit. There, children are taught and expected to work hard, to succeed. Education is a HUGE priority. They are taught to pursue professions. And they are taught to respect their family, and circle around and deliver the same message to their family.

This is laudable and the primary reason why financial and social success comes to higher proportion of Jews than other groups

OpenID cailcorishev July 25, 2014 8:55 AM  

I think most Americans assume that if Jews use tribal preferences more often than other groups, it's only a help to the ones who get ahead, but they're still the cream of the crop who would have done well anyway. Kind of the way many people see Obama: yeah, maybe affirmative action gave him a hand, but he's such an articulate visionary genius that he was destined for greatness anyway. So maybe there are a few more Jews than you'd expect in government and some industries, but our university system and the meritocracy of capitalism ensure that they're the best Jews, who are the brightest and hardest workers in addition to getting some tribal help.

If people start to realize that it's not just a "hand up" anymore, that an unqualified-on-paper druggie can not only be admitted to an elite college, but carried through on a litter without having to pass a class, then given a degree and a plum sinecure, all without ever showing any talent or work ethic or any qualifications besides tribal affiliation and the desire for wealth, they're going to feel differently in a hurry. Basically, Americans have no idea how badly their cherished institutions have been corrupted. If they ever become aware, they're going to be pissed. And who better to take it out on than the group that seems to have benefited the most?

Anonymous Stilicho July 25, 2014 8:58 AM  

Shimson, I'm curious: would you personally favor another Jew in business relationships over a non-jew due to enthnic or religious obligations?

Anonymous Seve July 25, 2014 8:59 AM  

"If people start to realize that it's not just a "hand up" anymore, that an unqualified-on-paper druggie can not only be admitted to an elite college, but carried through on a litter without having to pass a class, then given a degree and a plum sinecure, all without ever showing any talent or work ethic or any qualifications besides tribal affiliation and the desire for wealth, they're going to feel differently in a hurry."

They didn't feel differently about George W. Bush.

Anonymous Stilicho July 25, 2014 9:08 AM  

Sam, Ben, same question. Thanks.

Anonymous VD July 25, 2014 9:09 AM  

This is laudable and the primary reason why financial and social success comes to higher proportion of Jews than other groups

That's not possible. It's a factor, but not the primary one. If it were true, Jews would not have spent the last 20 years desperately trying to keep Asians out of the top universities. The Asian commitment to education absolutely dwarfs the Jewish one both in terms of history and intensity, and there are a lot more highly intelligent Asians than highly intelligent Jews in the USA alone.

Anonymous Northern Observer July 25, 2014 9:12 AM  

Isn't this the inverse of the discussions about people with sub-Saharan ancestry?

Some would argue that they are less successful because another group has worked to keep them down (or to promote themselves) while others would insist that it's genetically determined attributes, such as IQ and time preferences, with some cultural re-enforcements.

In this discussion, it would appear that the two sides have essentially reversed their arguments.

Anonymous VD July 25, 2014 9:12 AM  

Anyone thinking Americans will turn on Jews is being blinded by something that prevents them from properly reasoning or simply observing.

Sounds like a German Jew circa 1934. Keep telling yourself that. It's not impossible that you're correct. After all, there is a first time for everything, right?

Here's two questions for you: Do you live in America? And are you Jewish yourself?

Anonymous Sigyn July 25, 2014 9:13 AM  

There's a private college here who punished a Christian organization for not allowing someone who holds different beliefs to be president of their club. They were blacklisted on campus, not allowed to hold meetings in common spaces and had some weird pre revolutionary war rule about more than 3 gathered in a dorm room. They had to meet off campus for everything they did.

Are you talking about Bowdoin College?

OpenID cailcorishev July 25, 2014 9:14 AM  

There, children are taught and expected to work hard, to succeed. Education is a HUGE priority.

There's a great example of what I was talking about. Most people think Jews graduate from top colleges at a high rate because they make education a bigger priority than other groups do -- and also maybe they help each other. But Miss Jannol didn't make education a priority. Her parents may have tried to, but she was more interested in drugs. Her priority was a degree and a paycheck, not so much the education part, and her parents and other members of her tribe worked hard to get it for her.

Like I was saying, Americans don't mind seeing a hard worker get some extra help. It kinda feels like the American Way. They love the idea of a poor student or a kid with a disadvantaged background getting a break from an admissions officer and then working hard and making the most of that break. But the hard work is an important part of the story. A kid getting socially promoted at every step from preschool to graduation from an elite college is a very different thing.

They didn't feel differently about George W. Bush.

I must have dreamed the 8 years of "shrub" jokes and complaints about how stupid he was and how he obviously got passed through college on family connections.

It certainly bothered a lot of people, and was the main knock on him until he became a warmonger. It might have hurt him more in 2004 if his opponent hadn't come through the same corrupt system. And even then, I don't think anyone ever claimed Bush got to skip all the classes. Miss Jannol seems to have gotten a deal that would make a top scholarship athlete jealous.

Anonymous VD July 25, 2014 9:15 AM  

Isn't this the inverse of the discussions about people with sub-Saharan ancestry?

No, that's the whole point. The objective facts don't line up the way they do with the sub-Saharan discussion. If they did, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Notice that the Jewish girl was struggling at Cornell, just like the other affirmative-action students.

Anonymous Axe Head July 25, 2014 9:18 AM  

I'm pretty sick of the Weimarization of America.

Blogger Some dude July 25, 2014 9:23 AM  

@74adamiel

Anyone thinking Americans will turn on Jews is being blinded by something that prevents them from properly reasoning or simply observing.

Grow Up.

Anonymous Will Best July 25, 2014 9:27 AM  

I very much doubt that the Chinese who were surveyed in China know anything about recent Ivy League admissions practices.

The Asians in this country know they are being discriminated against and they don't like it. They aren't aware of the Jew conspiracy of yet, but it won't be much longer before that link is formed.

I actually bought one of Shapiro's books that was promoted through WND and found it to be mediocre (the one about leftist indoctrination on campus). He's not a good writer.

I bought that one too, My thought was I could have written this, but hell would freeze over before somebody published it if I submitted it.

As Israel's ultra orthodox community continues to grow, the country's policy toward Christians may become more hostile. This coupled with increasing friction between it and the US may change many American's attitude about it and Jews in general.

It was my understanding that the orthodox Jews don't really have the same level of political influence.

Anonymous YIH July 25, 2014 9:35 AM  

Something that has been pointed out repeatedly is various passages in the koran give moslims 'special dispensation' to treat non-moslims as enemies ('slay the infidel', ect ect) that enhance the tribal ties of moslims and denigrate non-moslims (including Christians and jews i.e. 'people of the book').
It has been said that mohammed 'cribbed' those aspects into islam, I believe that to be true; there are 'unsavory' aspects to judaism as well:
a Jew doesn't need to return a lost article to a Gentile. Baba Kama 113b continues: "And with all lost things of thy brother's: it is to your brother that you make restoration, but you need not make restoration to a heathen."
As Rabbi Akiba warned, the Jew must avoid bringing God's name into dishonor by cheating Gentiles. Yet, as a passage in B.K. 113b, 114a reveals, Rabbi Samuel was not above cheating a Gentile out of the full price of a gold bowl, while Rabbi Kahana cheated a Gentile out of both the number and price of a quantity of barrels.
A passage from the Talmud describes with praise how the head of a famous Talmudic academy cheated a Gentile out of a gold bowl for less than even a copper one was worth. This passage continues with examples of cheating from the likes of Rabina and Ashi, sages from the academy at Sura in Babylonia, and the two most important figures in the final editing of the Talmud.

Other examples can be seen here and here.
Even those ethnic jews who claim to be atheist (such as Mark ''Oy vey! the goyim know!'' ZUCKERBERG) have a strong innate urge to be dishonest (lack of internal ethics). Try quitting fecesbook for example.
CLANG! CLANG! CLANG! Whiskey! Stop watching the cuckold porn! Get to your keyboard! Someone's telling the truth about jews again! The JIDF needs you!

Anonymous YIH July 25, 2014 9:38 AM  

Missing links are here and here.

OpenID cailcorishev July 25, 2014 9:45 AM  

Let's say the owner of a business brings his son on board to groom him for taking over the business someday. The kid starts in the mailroom, but is promoted quickly up through the ranks and reaches VP in half the time anyone else ever has. Did he really "deserve" all those fast promotions? Probably not. Is he the most qualified candidate the company could have found? Surely not. But as long as he does a competent job, people won't complain too much. Sure, there will be some envious grumbling about silver spoons and whatnot, but as long as he spent time in the trenches and he can do the job, it'll be accepted. While strict merit is important, most people realize that loyalty and continuity are also important in business, and nepotism helps with those.

But if the boss brings in his son and installs him directly in the VP suite, where he begins to fail at his job and get other people fired on a regular basis, and the underlings find out that the kid spent the last year in drug rehab and the five years before that backpacking around Europe, there may be mutiny.

That's not to say that all Jews who are aided by tribal affiliation, or even a large number, are like Miss Jannol or my second example. But Americans trust that the education system prevents the second example from happening at all. When they realize they've been lied to about that, they may react by swinging to the opposite extreme, seeing all the hard-working ones who got a little help as suspect. Kinda the way many of us now assume that all pro athletes have used PEDs. When people feel betrayed, they don't tend to react with great nuance.

Anonymous Carlotta July 25, 2014 9:49 AM  

So Shimson makes his point by ignoring VD's questions entirely.

Anonymous Carlotta July 25, 2014 9:51 AM  

Lakewood NJ is a very interesting case study on this.

Anonymous Starbuck July 25, 2014 9:54 AM  

The difference between Israel's disapproval rating in the USA and in France, (which is a reasonable proxy) is nearly 50 percent; 27 percent vs 65 percent.- VD

Perhaps this is a typo? 65-27=38. Should say "nearly 40%". So the gap doesn't sound as big as "almost 50%". 20% less sounds like a good deal less then almost half.

Sorry, nit picking. Wrong numbers bug me.. Maybe I am too anal about social numbers.

Anonymous Philalethes July 25, 2014 9:55 AM  

I presume "Steve" is Jewish? Sounds like it, the usual victim/superiority complex. "Can we help it if we're smarter than you goyim? It's not our fault. Quit picking on us!"

Interesting how many Jews in America use not only English names, but literally Christian names: The great popularity of "Stephen" in Christendom is due to Saint Stephen having been the first Christian martyr. My Jewish wife was named Barbara, after another early Christian martyred for her faith. Can the Jews who give their children such names be entirely unaware of their provenance? There are, after all, popular English names derived from Hebrew, e.g. Adam, Hannah.

I was once a Holocaust dupe (a term that I think should be injected into the discourse alongside "Holocaust denier"); fifty years ago I read The Last of the Just and Exodus, and, like many lost 20th-century Americans lacking a clear feeling for my own roots, got caught up in the tragedy/romance of the Jewish experience. That feeling was a lot of the reason why I married a Jewish girl (though her reasons for marrying me, I later realized, had a lot to do with wanting to escape her heritage), and later once contemplated converting to Judaism, even visiting a rabbi to discuss the possibility.

In early 1962 I was sharing an apartment with late, dear friend, SF/F writer Avram Davidson, who was an Orthodox Jew at the time (and whose idiosyncrasies—such as the inconveniences occasioned by Shabbat observance at SF conventions—were regarded with tolerant affection in the community). He had just met a nice Jewish girl, and that Spring they were married in a traditional ceremony at Damon Knight's house in Milford. I attended and assisted (holding up a corner of the traditional canopy), but was puzzled to see that the group of black-clad, bowler-hatted "Orthodox" Jewish men imported for the occasion from Brooklyn (there were simply not enough Jews, even of the "Reform" variety, among Avram's friends in the SF community to make up the requisite quorum, aka "minyan", of "ten Jewish male adults") were all shaven; I thought one of the primary Commandments prohibited this. I asked Avram, and he said that as apparently the relevant mitzvah literally translates as "Thou shalt not suffer a razor to touch thy face," it was considered permissible to use an electric shaver, which "operates on the scissors principle". This was my first experience of Jewish legalistic hairsplitting—one of the primary uses to which their superior intelligence is dedicated. What's the Hebrew for "hamster"?

An enlightenment moment for me was a couple of decades ago when one day I was talking on the phone with somebody at 47th Street Photo in NYC—one of a lineage of cut-price technology dealers run by Orthodox Jews. I could hear in his voice the contempt he felt toward me, even as he was taking my money.

Like VD, I have nothing much against the Jews (aside from their sick attachment to brutal sexual abuse of infants), but if they're not interested in being Americans—and given their 2000-year history of maintaining their tribal separateness, and natural sense of superiority, wherever they've been, it seems unlikely they ever will so interested—now that they have a "homeland", they should go there. "Dual-loyalist" is an oxymoron. "No man can serve two masters." The endless savage warfare among Semitic tribes (even if some of them aren't actually Semites) is no affair of mine, and I deeply resent my country's resources being strip-mined in their very morally dubious Cause.

Anonymous Hobcaw Barony Plantation July 25, 2014 9:55 AM  

a laudable dedication to in-group promotion VD

aka, "Networking"

But, but... Adam Sandler and Jerry Seinfeld really ARE that much more funny than everyone else! They earned it!

Anyone thinking Americans will turn on Jews is being blinded by something that prevents them from properly reasoning or simply observing.

And anyone who doesn't understand the Internationalist, Humanist Jew in History would say exactly something that stupid. All it takes is a little information and education - truly observing and reasoning about that which most have been trained not to see.

Anonymous Bah July 25, 2014 9:57 AM  

I wonder if people really want the totalitarian control which would be necessary to stop a high IQ, highly motivated, creative, hard working people from achieving it, because that is what is necessary to stop it. You have to give up your freedom to repress the successful and promote the mediocre and that is quite a price to pay,

We already have that! We routinely promote the sub-mediocre at the expense of their superiors! If that system started operating against the group that pushed it so hard, it would be nothing but justice.

Anonymous Anonymous Cowherd July 25, 2014 9:59 AM  

In the UK many of the Guardian journalists are sons and daughters of other journalists. The rationale given is that you must have journalism in the blood to work for a newspaper that cannot be bothered to spell words correctly.

Anonymous Roundtine July 25, 2014 9:59 AM  

The Asians in this country know they are being discriminated against and they don't like it. They aren't aware of the Jew conspiracy of yet, but it won't be much longer before that link is formed.

I've more than once heard "white people," i.e. conservatives/Republicans blamed for unfair college admissions and Asian portrayals in the media.

Anonymous Lars Grobian July 25, 2014 10:01 AM  

Yes, they use their success to help each other, but how did they bootstrap their way into that success to begin with? The group has a well-documented relatively high average IQ. The successful ones have high IQs and work like dogs, like anybody successful. I've known a fair number of professional Jews, and they have been mostly competent (only one lawyer -- smart, very hardworking, and lived right down to the stereotype as a near-clinical sociopath). If that weren't the case, they could favor each other all day long and it wouldn't help much.

I can think of a few other minorities who stick together (paging Eric Holder) and haven't gotten anywhere. The few achievements those other minorities have are of a very different nature, and without a preposterous level of active ongoing help from outside the group, they would instantly collapse.

Take the high incidence of Nobel Prizes (STEM ones, not joke prizes like Economics). Show me hard numbers on the Nobels. Not just a couple of cases; show me reason to suspect it's enough to account for the disparity. If it's real, you can quantify it. For example, Unz has hard numbers on the Ivy admissions scam. It's happening.

Anonymous Axe Head July 25, 2014 10:02 AM  

Jews have been expelled lots of times. It'll happen again, and they know it.

Anonymous Philalethes July 25, 2014 10:02 AM  

Btw, it's taqiyya. I don't read Arabic, but note that while some of the alternative transliterations have a single 'y', none have a double 'q'. (Btw, Google Translate gives no Hebrew equivalent for this Arabic word—which it renders into English as "pious"—strange given that the languages are so closely related.)

Anonymous bored July 25, 2014 10:07 AM  

@YIH
You are on to something. There are two EXCELLENT websites that deal with this issue.
One exposes the Talmud (it actually has the entire Soncino Talmud online) from a Gentile perspective :
http://www.come-and-hear.com/

The other exposes it from a secular Jew's perspective :
http://www.daatemet.org/

Bookmark and read those when you have the time.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 25, 2014 10:10 AM  

The ambition of the young Jew or Jewess is a direct result of the jewish culture that is cultivated inside the family and extended family unit.

Ahhh, right. The "culture" explanation.

So, if we gentiles take on Jewish culture you will accept us?

No? I didn't think so.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 25, 2014 10:17 AM  

What is it with Jews and inflation?

Anonymous VD July 25, 2014 10:18 AM  

Btw, it's taqiyya.

Thanks, corrected.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 25, 2014 10:18 AM  

It seems to me that the Jews are not being careful enough in their headlong rush to WWIII (because the Russians, among others, want to upset their large money making scheme known as the World Financial Order).

In times of chaos bad things can happen.

Anonymous VD July 25, 2014 10:20 AM  

Answer the questions first, 74adamiel. Here you don't get to play prosecutor while avoiding questions directed at you:

1. Do you live in America?
2. Are you Jewish yourself?

Anonymous Samuel Untermeyer and Friends July 25, 2014 10:23 AM  

increasing friction between it (Israel) and the US may change many American's attitude

Depends on whether they wake up to the lies entailed in this speech by a foreign "power", complete with all the standing ovations. Amazing who can light a fire under Congress' ass.

OpenID newrebeluniv July 25, 2014 10:24 AM  

It seems to me that the examples of Wang and Jannol do not demonstrate promotion of the Jewess at the expense of the Chinese. But instead, a larger anti-Asian bias is obviously at work. The total Jewish population is small enough and their birth rates similarly small that the Ivy league schools could easily accommodate them all on the margin. Ms Wang is being excluded independent of Ms Jannol. Indeed, most of the students that were accepted were promoted ahead of Wang for reasons that had nothing to do with their Judaic connections.

Anonymous 74adamlel July 25, 2014 10:26 AM  

"Sounds like a German Jew circa 1934. Keep telling yourself that. It's not impossible that you're correct. After all, there is a first time for everything, right?"

And you think the social dynamics in play in 2014 America are anything at all similar to Germany 1934? You go with that.

"Here's two questions for you: Do you live in America? And are you Jewish yourself?"
Yes, No.

Now, please show me these many signs that Americans are set to turn on American Jews. Explain why there was not hint of it after the 2008 crash, and please don't try that "it's the media" shit unless you actually have some evidence of anything at all.

Anonymous Dr. Kenneth Noisewater July 25, 2014 10:26 AM  

Incidentally, being a National Merit Scholarship semifinalist isn't that big of a deal. I think the majority if not totality of my high-school class were NMS semifinalists that year, myself included.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 25, 2014 10:27 AM  

The total Jewish population is small enough and their birth rates similarly small that the Ivy league schools could easily accommodate them all on the margin. Ms Wang is being excluded independent of Ms Jannol. Indeed, most of the students that were accepted were promoted ahead of Wang for reasons that had nothing to do with their Judaic connections.

Do you understand the numbers when we are looking at the RHS of a normal curve and the differences that a difference in average entails?

I don't think you do. There is a limited number of places at prestigious universities.

Anonymous Philalethes July 25, 2014 10:27 AM  

So, if we gentiles take on Jewish culture you will accept us?

Actually, we already have in one major respect: In the late 19th century, Jews were among the major proponents of the adoption of infant male circumcision into Anglo culture—apparently hoping that if all British/American/Canadian/Australian/New Zealander men were circumcised, Jews would be harder to single out in some future persecution. (Planning ahead?) Nevertheless, though the practice was adopted by Anglo culture (first among the elite, followed by the lower orders), it didn't make any difference in the Jewish attitude toward WASP goyim—except perhaps to reinforce their contempt for us because we fell for this ploy. (Since the Protestant Reformation in England, many Anglo fundamentalist sects have envied the Jews their "chosen" status, and sought to emulate them in the hope of earning same for themselves.)

IIRC, in the Bible King David once had a bunch of captive fighters from another tribe (one of those from whom the Hebrews took their "promised land") forcibly circumcised—which was regarded as a rank humiliation for them, rather than an honor as it is for Jews.

Blogger Ashley July 25, 2014 10:28 AM  

And then on the other hand, you have people like my cousin, whose father is Jewish (non-religious) and who has a Jewish last name. He just graduated from Yale this spring with a computer science degree (switched from Chemistry), and will be starting work at google soon. He is a swimmer (on the Yale team). He graduated as salutatorian of his magnet school in Houston. He was on the debate team in HS.

But he was rejected by Stanford, his first college choice, while a more favored female minority candidate from his high school was accepted despite lower SATs and grades. Need more Jews in the Stanford admissions department, I guess.

Anonymous Alexander July 25, 2014 10:30 AM  

Something that I'd appreciate riddled out for me.

If Asians and Jews are both so smart and so appreciative of getting good educations... then why can't they make their own systems?

You shit on us Anglo-Saxons as being angry or bitter for just not being as capable, and yet... who built Harvard and Yale and the California school system? Who built Oxford and Cambridge?

The idea that the country would be bumbling around like a bunch of retards if we don't have the Asians and the Jews willing to step in and get the education Americans just won't do is as much bullshit as the idea that the country would starve to death with Mexicans, or we'd still have to ride a horse to get to California without the Irish and Chinese.

If what you're really smarter and better at is taking control of something that some other group of people built, and then using it to your advantage and their detriment, then the word we're looking for is 'parasite'.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 25, 2014 10:32 AM  

But he was rejected by Stanford, his first college choice, while a more favored female minority candidate from his high school was accepted despite lower SATs and grades.

Here is your evidence, 74adamiel, that Americans will turn on Jews. Then there are all those academics who support the Palestinians.

Wanker.

Blogger Chris Ritchie July 25, 2014 10:40 AM  

In the immortal words of Rowdy Roddy Piper - "Ha, figures it'd be something like this."

As a white male from nondescript heritage of German and Scottish ancestry, thank you for pointing out the truth. It's not an excuse for things I've failed at, but it does help explain some of the affirmative action based hires I've seen in Academia and in the business world.

Anonymous Northern Observer July 25, 2014 10:44 AM  

VD: "Notice that the Jewish girl was struggling at Cornell, just like the other affirmative-action students."

If the claim is that there's a pattern of Jews getting into, and graduating from, Ivy League schools due to tribalism/nepotism/connections, and not because of any innate ability, isn't that the same accusation that the affirmative action supporters have made for WASPs specifically, and whites in general? (not just for schools but for jobs, contracts, etc as well)



Anonymous 74adamlel July 25, 2014 10:45 AM  

Skeptic,
Yes no doubt that once minority women start getting accepted in college over Jews the only logical conclusion we can draw is that other Americans are set to turn on and even round up American Jews.

Anonymous asdf July 25, 2014 10:45 AM  

"
Americans blamed the power of corporate America, Wall Street, Bankers...as they should have. Does anyone really think it is the Jews fault that those on Wall Street are able to deploy the carried interest loophole in the tax code that has their income taxes at a far lower rate than the salesman on the street or the hairdresser?

Was it the Jews who lobbied to keep those administering Medicare from being able to negotiate better prices with Big Pharma, putting billions in corporate pockets? "

Having worked in those industries they are full of Jews and yes they played a huge role in those events.

The question of who gets to be elite is a question of who would be a good steward. When I worked in IB I had a very good Jewish friend going back to elementary school describe a financial scam to me and when pressed said, "and if it goes wrong its just the gentiles money that will get lost." That's the prevailing Jewish attitude. They don't view themselves as part of society, as stewards. All people get that feeling, but Jews feel it more, and compared to white people placed in the same positions are more corrupt.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 25, 2014 10:46 AM  

More Jews lamenting anti-semitism.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 25, 2014 10:49 AM  

Yes no doubt that once minority women start getting accepted in college over Jews the only logical conclusion we can draw is that other Americans are set to turn on and even round up American Jews.

Ahhh, yes. Demand evidence and reject all the evidence offered with snide remarks.

Anonymous Alexander July 25, 2014 10:49 AM  

You know, when your group makes it taboo to say bad things about them, that's probably a good place to start when wondering how things deteriorated...

Anonymous Sigyn July 25, 2014 10:50 AM  

I think the majority if not totality of my high-school class were NMS semifinalists that year, myself included.

On the other hand, there was only one from my school--and no, we were supermajority white.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 25, 2014 10:51 AM  

You know, when your group makes it taboo to say bad things about them

Isn't the bigger problem what they are attempting to hide?

Anonymous YIH July 25, 2014 10:51 AM  

Philalethes:
Interesting how many Jews in America use not only English names, but literally Christian names:
It's a well-worn method of subterfuge.

Anonymous Sigyn July 25, 2014 10:52 AM  

You know, when your group makes it taboo to say bad things about them, that's probably a good place to start when wondering how things deteriorated...

“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”

Anonymous Philalethes July 25, 2014 10:54 AM  

A problem in such discussions as this is an unrecognized collision between abstract notions of logic, fairness, justice, etc., and simple, brutal reality.

It may well be the case that Jews are on average smarter than the average among Western Europeans (or others among whom they have dwelt, and who have cast them out). However, apparently they are not smart enough to use their superior intelligence in ways that will not spark resentment and hatred among their inferiors. The simple fact is that they regard goyim as inferior, as is required by their—or any—tribal ideology. Cf. the numerous cases among Indigenous Americans where a tribe's name for itself translates as "human beings", while their name for the tribe next door was some form of "not-human beings". That's tribalism.

And while Judaism may be a religion, as Jews in America insist, deserving of the same "tolerance" as other religions in an enlightened society, it is also—and more fundamentally—a tribal ideology whose ideals and aims are inevitably in conflict with those of the tribes among whom the Jews dwell. Tribes are mutually exclusive by definition.

I have no love for the Zionists (who were/are overwhelmingly non-religious "Jews"—which should be an oxymoron if the American Jews are right), but they are right about one thing: a tribe without a defendable territory is in big trouble. So let them fight it out with their fellow bloodthirsty Semites—but leave us out of it. It's not our problem.

Anonymous 74adamlel July 25, 2014 10:55 AM  

asdf,

There are substantially more Christians working in banking, on Wall Street, in big Pharma than there are Jews. Far, far more... So what should we conclude.

More to the point, if Jews are responsible for this kind of stuff and if Americans are set to turn on Jews as VD suggests, why as there been nothing of the sort?

Blogger Chris Ritchie July 25, 2014 10:58 AM  


In regards to promoting your own, this is very true. All groups do it except working class Christian whites.

I don't think out of lack of desire. After all, we get legally prosecuted for discrimination.

There's a private college here who punished a Christian organization for not allowing someone who holds different beliefs to be president of their club. They were blacklisted on campus, not allowed to hold meetings in common spaces and had some weird pre revolutionary war rule about more than 3 gathered in a dorm room. They had to meet off campus for everything they did.


And this is what is infuriating to me the older I get. I see that white males have been systematically propagandized to think that they must do it all on their own and be ashamed of their heritage - because slavery - and be ashamed of their masculinity - because feminism. Yet all the while, ALL of the other groups are getting advantages and hand outs and hand ups all in every area. That the Jews support their own is not a surprise to anyone except ignorant whites who have been taught to help and acquiesce to everyone except their own - oh no, don't do that because it's EVIL!

This example I quoted from above is perfect. Whites are the only ones legally persecuted for trying to help their own. What a f-d up country.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 25, 2014 11:03 AM  

There are substantially more Christians working in banking, on Wall Street, in big Pharma than there are Jews. Far, far more... So what should we conclude.

What simplistic analysis. Hint, why is it that feminists and their fellow travelers talk about glass ceilings?

Blogger James Dixon July 25, 2014 11:04 AM  

> In regards to promoting your own, this is very true. All groups do it except working class Christian whites.

Well, when Christian whites do it, they get calls from the EEOC and Jessie Jackson.

> They didn't feel differently about George W. Bush.

I felt the same way about Bush as I did about his father. I'll never vote for another Bush as long as I live.

Anonymous Michael July 25, 2014 11:06 AM  

Roundtine, "I've more than once heard "white people," i.e. conservatives/Republicans blamed for unfair college admissions and Asian portrayals in the media."

It's called passing the buck. Have others do the dirty work in order to evade scrutiny and shift the blame.

Blogger James Dixon July 25, 2014 11:10 AM  

> ...isn't that the same accusation that the affirmative action supporters have made for WASPs specifically, and whites in general?

Not really. The accusation was that blacks were locked out completely. It would be as if Harvard only admitted Jews.

Blogger Chris Ritchie July 25, 2014 11:11 AM  

They didn't feel differently about George W. Bush.

I saw Bush for the poser he was in 2000. I didn't want him to win the nomination for the Republicans. At the time, I still thought McCain was the better choice. But I didn't know nearly then what I know now.

Bush was a laughingstock and proved it anytime he opened his mouth.

Anonymous Susan July 25, 2014 11:16 AM  

When I read in-depth analyses on this subject like the one posted here, I understand more about the interaction between the Pharisees of old and Jesus. When he likened them to vipers and walking corpses he was quite accurate in his descriptions. Parsing words and splitting hairs is not new for the Jewish community.

That is why I have to laugh sometimes when people try to accuse others of not being sufficiently Christ-like in their behavior. Jesus could be considered the cruelty artist of his day.

Blogger Jeff Patrick July 25, 2014 11:17 AM  

Ben Shapiro hosts a local radio show here in the Seattle area on KTTH. He's horrible. Absolutely atrocious.

His voice is like listening to nails on chalkboard without the drama. His incessant pauses sound like he's mentally congratulating himself behind the scenes for having finally constructed something that passes for a coherent thought. Banal sound bites with zero substance. I've tried to listen to him a few times when I'm in the car due to the name recognition and the ridiculously heavy promotion he's getting. But if you listen to him for three minutes you keep asking yourself how on earth he got this gig.

And the obvious answer to how he got the job is to look at whose slot he follows - Michael Medved. Medved has a national show but lives in the Seattle area as well and frequently appears on the other hosts local shows trying to prop them up. Ironically, Medved is much more interesting when fluffing out another hosts show then he is on his own. Medved long passed the expiration date on what passes for engaging talk and original thought.

But Medved is the one that got Shapiro his job and likely is what allows Shapiro to keep his job. Which goes a long ways to proving Vox's point.

Anonymous Philalethes July 25, 2014 11:18 AM  

If the claim is that there's a pattern of Jews getting into, and graduating from, Ivy League schools due to tribalism/nepotism/connections, and not because of any innate ability, isn't that the same accusation that the affirmative action supporters have made for WASPs specifically, and whites in general? (not just for schools but for jobs, contracts, etc as well)

Yes, it is. And if the world were "fair", this would be unfair. But the world isn't "fair", and anybody who tries to operate as if it were—while their opponents are operating in reality—will lose. That's White Anglo-America's problem. It's commonly said that the USA was founded on an Idea, rather than a tribal grouping like other countries—with the usually unstated implication that everybody should be welcome here, so long as they're willing to invest in the Idea. But they're not. To begin with, they simply don't understand it.

What's forgotten is that the Idea on which America was founded was the product of a particular tribal lineage, i.e. the peculiar history of Great Britain (not even Ireland is part of this) that resulted in a kind of idealistic political rationalism ("All men are created equal", etc.) that has not occurred in any other world culture. Welcoming large numbers of immigrants from imperial nations/cultures who have no background enabling them to understand the American Idea has been suicidal for this country.

A few individuals from any world culture will understand the American Idea, but vast masses of people who've never been anything but serfs or slaves—and who've never made any effort in their homelands to make themselves anything else—only become "voters" in the service of the Imperial State that America has become—at least since Lincoln, who coincidentally welcomed large numbers of Irish Catholic immigrants to staff his imperial army.

As for Lincoln, he was right about at least one thing: He wanted to repatriate the involuntary immigrants from Africa back to their own land. Then let the few who are capable of earning their own way immigrate and become real Americans. America isn't about race, yes, but it is about being clear as to your primary allegiance, just as in any nation. If that allegiance is not to the American Idea, you don't belong here.

Tribalism, for all its occasional ugliness, is simple human reality. America is a tribe, even if based on something different than the blood/history of most tribes. That's what Americans unfortunately do not clearly understand—a lack that is proving to be fatal. Reality is not mocked.

Of course, at this point, the entire discussion appears to be academic. Well, it was a nice Idea.... Maybe somebody else will give it another try, hopefully with a clearer understanding. "Freedom isn't free", and neither is it for the foolish.

Anonymous Samuel Scott July 25, 2014 11:21 AM  

Stilicho July 25, 2014 8:58 AM

I'm curious: would you personally favor another Jew in business relationships over a non-jew due to enthnic or religious obligations?


The honest answer is that I don't know. I've not been in such a position here in Israel because all of the people with whom I interact in a business context are Jews.

In a hypothetical situation here in Israel with all else being equal, I suppose I would favor the Jew. However, "all else being equal" is rarely ever the case. There are countless variables in any situation. It's not very likely that an "all else being equal" situation would ever occur in the real world here.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 25, 2014 11:22 AM  

The war drums are beating

OpenID cailcorishev July 25, 2014 11:23 AM  

There are substantially more Christians working in banking, on Wall Street, in big Pharma than there are Jews. Far, far more... So what should we conclude.

That you were playing hooky when your 7th-grade math class covered ratios.

Anonymous rienzi July 25, 2014 11:24 AM  

Dr Kenneth Noisewater: Incidentally, being a National Merit Scholarship semifinalist isn't that big of a deal. I think the majority if not totality of my high-school class were NMS semifinalists that year, myself included.

As Vox has already noted, National Merit Semifinalists comprise about 0.5% of those who take the test. So, you either went to the most exclusive and selective high school in China, or your memory is extremely faulty, or, and I suspect this to be the case, your comments are completely untrue.

Anonymous Samuel Scott July 25, 2014 11:28 AM  

Philalethes July 25, 2014 10:54 AM

I have no love for the Zionists (who were/are overwhelmingly non-religious "Jews"


Someone should tell that to the dati leumi (national religious) "settlers" in the West Bank. They are religiously Orthodox Jews who believe in settling all of the Land of Israel. They are the strongest Zionists in Israel. In fact, the party for which they are the main constituency, HaBayit HaYehudi (Jewish Home), is the fourth-largest party in Israel's parliament. Their leader, Naftali Bennett, is the Minister of the Economy, the Minister for Religious Affairs, and the Minister for Diaspora Affairs in the current government. Another party leader is Minister of Housing.

I'm not saying whether I agree -- just stating that the idea that Zionists are largely secular is not entirely accurate.

Anonymous 74adamlel July 25, 2014 11:31 AM  

"That you were playing hooky when your 7th-grade math class covered ratios."

The fact is that christians far, far outnumber Jews in the Pharma and Banking industries. By a HUGE margin in fact. So you want us to conclude that Americans getting fucked by these industries was a direct results of the Jews and the many more Christians protested but were beat back by the jewish influence?

Don't talk about "ratios" when they have nothing to do with the issue at hand. If you want to blame a religious group for the decline of the American economy, then look straight at the Christians. They control it!! That is, if you are so compelled to try to blame religion for something that has nothing to do with religion or ethnicities.

Anonymous Sigyn July 25, 2014 11:34 AM  

Hint, why is it that feminists and their fellow travelers talk about glass ceilings?

Because griping about easily-avoided problems one brings on oneself is a national pastime?

Anonymous Philalethes July 25, 2014 11:42 AM  

Samuel Scott: In a hypothetical situation here in Israel with all else being equal, I suppose I would favor the Jew.

An honest Jew. That I can respect. In your own land, it makes sense, and I have no argument with it.

A concerned liberal Jewish friend of mine (a good man, though I remain uncertain of his loyalties if push came to shove) once remarked, "We should have bought it [Palestine]." The Rothschilds and their friends certainly had the resources; but they preferred instead to finagle the British into doing the dirty work for them. And dirty it has certainly turned out to be; the present endless conflict is simply the Jews' karma.

As for Americans turning on the Jews, perhaps I can serve as an example? As noted above, I was once more than sympathetic to the Jews, even to the point of considering conversion myself. Now, 50 years later, I only want them to get out of my country. Perhaps some may stay, but only if they totally renounce any conflicting allegiance. Which would certainly involve some kind of affidavit or similar—and almost certainly require renouncing their "religion" which, as noted above, is really a tribal ideology first.

Btw, what kind of Jewish name is "Scott"? Gee, you don't look.... (Maybe it's a pseudonym, as is of course the name I post under; but if you are indeed a Jew, it's inappropriate to appropriate such a clearly non-Jewish name for said use.)

Anonymous YIH July 25, 2014 11:48 AM  

asdf:
When I worked in IB I had a very good Jewish friend going back to elementary school describe a financial scam to me and when pressed said, "and if it goes wrong its just the gentiles money that will get lost." That's the prevailing Jewish attitude.
Absolutely, I have heard/read from several jews ''the only reason Bernie Madoff is in prison is because he cheated jews too''.
What he, GOLDMAN Sachs did to the goyim is just fine - you know reaping the rewards of intelligence, hard work, ect.
Take Vox's warning to heart, the goyim are restless, you don't want to be in the way when the goyim get going.
You were 'the deer caught in the headlights' in 1930's Germany, the next time there won't be an America to come to your rescue.
I don't see any candidates to be your 'white knight' out there.

Anonymous Samuel Scott July 25, 2014 11:51 AM  

Philalethes July 25, 2014 11:42 AM

Which would certainly involve some kind of affidavit or similar—and almost certainly require renouncing their "religion" which, as noted above, is really a tribal ideology first.


It's a religion and a tribal identity. It's hard for non-Jews to understand because it's an ancient way of looking at things. Look at it like this: Thousands of years ago, the Sumerian people had their Sumerian religion. The Babylonian people had their Babylonian religion. And so on. The people and the religion were one and the same thing. The Jewish people have their Jewish religion.

It's a completely different concept than today, where an Englishman or Italian or German may be a Christian, a Muslim, or something else. For the most part, you didn't have a Sumerian person practicing Babylonian religion and things like that.

Btw, what kind of Jewish name is "Scott"?

Not all Jews have names that are stereotypically Jewish.

Anonymous Michael July 25, 2014 11:53 AM  

Someone mentioned in a previous thread the recent drop off in the number of Freemasons. This, I believe, is due to the its ideological core (to undermine Christianity; specifically the Catholic Church, in order to create a OWG) fragmenting into a more streamlined, proactive approach.

Affirmative Action, Multiculturalism and Amnesty = White suppression and the elimination of national sovereignty.

LGBTQXP*@% groups (e.g. GLAAD, NAMBLA) and Planned Parenthood = Promotion of infanticide, promiscuity, bondage, sadomasochism, homosexuality, SS'M, transgenderism, "sexual identity," etc. Attack religious liberty.

Hollywood = Promotion of socialism, the occult, hedonism, bread and circuses, etc.

The mainstream media (MSM) = To control the narrative, justify loss of liberty, promote the police/surveillance state, demonize Christianity, distract the public.

Academia = To inject Marxist ideological world view, enforce diversity and group-think.

Science = To present secular-atheism as the only rational cause for existence; push for greater government/UN control and regulation through climate change; attack Christianity.

Anonymous VD July 25, 2014 11:57 AM  

Incidentally, being a National Merit Scholarship semifinalist isn't that big of a deal. I think the majority if not totality of my high-school class were NMS semifinalists that year, myself included.

Rienzi has already pointed out that you are almost surely mistaking National Merit for something else. I don't believe there has ever been a high school class entirely comprised of NMS semifinalists, and one of my college roommates was an NMS finalist who graduated from an elite private school with a graduating class of 13.

Anonymous 74adamlel July 25, 2014 11:58 AM  

Take Vox's warning to heart, the goyim are restless, you don't want to be in the way when the goyim get going."

Wishful thinking on your part. Americans have shown no evidence they are willing to blame American Jews for anything. The anti Semitic myth making machine is dead and without influence in the U.S.

Anonymous Fake Herzog July 25, 2014 11:59 AM  

Vox asks:

1) Do you truly believe Jews work more hours per week than non-Jews?

Yes, on average -- but obviously hard to prove. At some point in the future we'll be able to genetically test for character traits (like we can test now for aggression with MAOA) and my guess is Jews will test high for "hard working". There will be other ethnic groups, like the Chinese, who will also do well.

2) Do you think that Jews are not favored by Ivy League admissions offices?

No question -- and as Unz has shown, Asians are discriminated against. This is bad and anti-meritocratic and should stop.

3) Do you honestly think there are more high-IQ Jews in America than equally high-IQ WASPs or Asians?

No, of course not. Not in absolute numbers. But as a percent of their population, most definitely. They have the highest average IQ bar none (excluding the Sephardi).

Look, Jews wouldn't be successful in modern Western economies unless they possessed smarts. In addition, they use their clannishness to help each other in business and education and the professions. But they succeed first and foremost because they get the job done (as doctors, lawyers, businessmen, etc.) A couple of stories about daddy's stupid little princess doesn't change these facts.

Anonymous VD July 25, 2014 12:03 PM  

The fact is that christians far, far outnumber Jews in the Pharma and Banking industries. By a HUGE margin in fact.

What specific margin is that? That is a naked assertion. What are the actual numbers of Christians vs seculars vs Jews in those two industries?

Anonymous Philalethes July 25, 2014 12:04 PM  

Someone should tell that to the dati leumi (national religious) "settlers" in the West Bank. They are religiously Orthodox Jews who believe in settling all of the Land of Israel.

I may be wrong—I haven't followed the situation closely for more than half a century—but as I understand it, these Orthodox fanatics are relative latecomers to Zionism, which was in the beginning a branch of the very secular leftist revolutionary Jewish culture of Eastern Europe which also gave rise to the Russian Revolution. (And, as discussed in this thread, was imported to America with the Jewish immigrant wave of the late 19th century, and has been causing endless mischief here since.) The whole Exodus romance, the kibbutzim (a Jewish high school friend—Jewish by name, though his mother was Gentile—went to work on one in the mid-60s) and all, was a story of secular (or at most Reform-style) Jews "making the desert bloom" and so on.

Until recently, many of the Orthodox, so I understand, wanted nothing to do with the State of Israel, which they regarded as a blasphemy, having been established by profane means (cf. the Neturei Karta). That some of the Orthodox have belatedly decided to "get with the program" and pursue it to its logical conclusion seems to be somewhat of a confusion to the secular/liberal "can't we all just get along" Jewish immigrants from the West who founded the State of Israel—but it's they who must come to grips with reality, and acknowledge that if they're going to claim to be Semites and to have a "right" to Semitic land, they might as well be Semites and act like it. Not my kind of people, but I don't live there, nor would I want to.

Anonymous Hunsdon July 25, 2014 12:06 PM  

A large part of my objection to the outsize Jewish presence in the movers and shakers of our society is not that so many movers and shakers are Jews; it is, rather, that they are "judeoforming" our culture. (a la terraforming.) Elites should feel a sense of noblesse oblige, for did not the prophet Stan Lee say that with great power comes great responsibility? What I object to isn't that there are so many Jews in power, it is that they seem to show no sense of kinship, community or nobless oblige towards "lesser Americans."

Anonymous YIH July 25, 2014 12:08 PM  

Jeff Patrick:
Ben Shapiro hosts a local radio show here in the Seattle area on KTTH. He's horrible. Absolutely atrocious.

His voice is like listening to nails on chalkboard without the drama. His incessant pauses sound like he's mentally congratulating himself behind the scenes for having finally constructed something that passes for a coherent thought. Banal sound bites with zero substance.

Oh I know, I know, he was in Orlando too. I've heard him, even called and asked ''who is the littlest chickenhawk?'' [click]

Blogger IM2L844 July 25, 2014 12:10 PM  

Not all Jews have names that are stereotypically Jewish.

Yeah, that stealthy ability to avoid societal radars helps too.

Anonymous Stilicho July 25, 2014 12:13 PM  

The anti Semitic myth making machine is dead and without influence in the U.S.

Awesome. Would you please put a stop to Abe Foxman, Morris Dees, et al.? Thanks.

Anonymous Samuel Scott July 25, 2014 12:13 PM  

Philalethes July 25, 2014 12:04 PM

I may be wrong—I haven't followed the situation closely for more than half a century—but as I understand it, these Orthodox fanatics are relative latecomers to Zionism


You're largely correct. Zionism started as a movement mainly among secular European Jews in the nineteenth century. So-called religious Zionism began after the 1967 war. Religious types interpreted the overwhelming victory as "miraculous" (since Israel expected heavy casualties and potential extinction) and then flooded the West Bank with settlement (with the support of Left and Right governments) over the decades to "hasten the coming of the Messiah."

At first, Orthodox Judaism was opposed to the establishment of a Jewish state because they thought only God and/or the Messiah could do something like that. Over time, the stance changed. Today, most Orthodox Jews are either indifferent to the State of Israel or very supportive (as in the Chabad movement). Those who are opposed to the State of Israel are largely-fringe elements of ultra-Orthodox Jews.

Anonymous Samuel Scott July 25, 2014 12:15 PM  

IM2L844 July 25, 2014 12:10 PM

Not all Jews have names that are stereotypically Jewish.

Yeah, that stealthy ability to avoid societal radars helps too.


(eyeroll)

Anonymous Stilicho July 25, 2014 12:16 PM  

But as a percent of their population, most definitely. They have the highest average IQ bar none (excluding the Sephardi).

Except for the Episcopalians and probably certain Asian and Indian groups.

Anonymous harry12 July 25, 2014 12:25 PM  

YIH July 25, 2014 11:48 AM

{snip}
Take Vox's warning to heart, the goyim are restless, you don't want to be in the way when the goyim get going.


I am reminded of Kipling's poem:
It was not preached to the crowd.
It was not taught by the state.
No man spoke it aloud
When the Saxon began to hate.

Anonymous Dumb founded July 25, 2014 12:29 PM  

The Chinese in Thailand and some other SE Asian countries are similar, since they can pass as locals.

It is interesting that the Thais have moved to ban Chinese schools, so wealthy Chinese, even those who have purchased Thai names, send their kids to places like HK to learn their "culture."

Anonymous Philalethes July 25, 2014 12:29 PM  

It's a religion and a tribal identity. It's hard for non-Jews to understand because it's an ancient way of looking at things. ... It's a completely different concept than today, where an Englishman or Italian or German may be a Christian, a Muslim, or something else.

I understand perfectly, as explained above. Judaism is a survival from the Bronze Age, when all "religions" were tribal in origin (my G-d is bigger than your god). Perhaps the biggest revolution of the "Axial Age" was the production of non-tribal "universal" religions such as Buddhism, Christianity, Islam. (And yes, Islam acts in many ways like a tribe—it's basically Semitic in character, after all—but at least in principle it's open to any human of any race; you're a Muslim by conviction, not by birth.) Again, I have nothing in particular against the Jews, but I do recognize that since their "religion" is primarily a "tribal identity", they simply don't belong anywhere that tribal identity might produce conflicting allegiances. "No man may serve two masters."

Not all Jews have names that are stereotypically Jewish.

Well, since, in stereotypically Jewish fashion, you sidestepped my question rather than answering it directly, I'm going to be frank. What names are "stereotypically" Jewish? As opposed to names that are, simply, Jewish? I don't know any White American who uses a surname like, say, Cohen (or more correctly, Kohen כֹּהֵן). If Judaism is a "tribal identity", and you appear to wish to identify with your tribe, why do you use a surname from another tribe? Which, coincidentally, happens to be my tribe (or at least a close relative)? Are you a Jew or not?

My wife's surname was Gilbert, which seemed to me unaccountably English (I didn't know many Jews growing up, so it was a learning process). I asked her, and she said her father (I believe it was) had changed it from Goldberg, because he worked with the government and wanted to avoid anti-Semitic discrimination. Which wouldn't have been a problem, of course, if it was a Jewish government he was working for. Of course, Goldberg itself is not a Jewish name, but Germanic, product I presume of a similar process in Eastern Europe some centuries ago. Now that the Jews have their own land, why don't they all just go there and be Jews?

Well, of course, there's the old problem that, as I heard once during my time keeping company with Jews, "Get two Jews together, and you'll have three opinions." That may be a problem, but it's not my problem. How many billions—trillions?—of American taxpayer money have been funneled down that rathole?

Anonymous Philalethes July 25, 2014 12:36 PM  

What I object to isn't that there are so many Jews in power, it is that they seem to show no sense of kinship, community or nobless oblige towards "lesser Americans."

Precisely. They are not Americans.

Anonymous Samuel Scott July 25, 2014 12:45 PM  

Philalethes July 25, 2014 12:29 PM

Well, since, in stereotypically Jewish fashion, you sidestepped my question rather than answering it directly, I'm going to be frank. What names are "stereotypically" Jewish? As opposed to names that are, simply, Jewish?


I qualified it with "stereotypically" because not everyone with a Jewish surname is a Jew and many Jews (like myself) have non-Jewish surnames.

If Judaism is a "tribal identity", and you appear to wish to identify with your tribe, why do you use a surname from another tribe? Which, coincidentally, happens to be my tribe (or at least a close relative)? Are you a Jew or not?

I am a Jew, but my father was not. (He's dead.) I cannot help the surname that I inherited.

How many billions—trillions?—of American taxpayer money have been funneled down that rathole?

This statement reflects a common misconception. The vast, vast majority of the money that the United States.gives to Israel is not welfare. Some of it goes to inventing things like the Iron Dome that the United States will then use in the future. Most of it is earmarked for Israeli purchases of military stuff from U.S. defense companies.

Anonymous VD July 25, 2014 12:46 PM  

Wishful thinking on your part. Americans have shown no evidence they are willing to blame American Jews for anything. The anti Semitic myth making machine is dead and without influence in the U.S.

That's good news. There is no anti-semitism in America and any Jew who claims there is must be lying.

Now, please show me these many signs that Americans are set to turn on American Jews.

No. You have not backed up a single assertion you have made. Until you do, none of your questions will be answered.

Anonymous Philalethes July 25, 2014 12:48 PM  

Today, most Orthodox Jews are either indifferent to the State of Israel or very supportive (as in the Chabad movement).

Yes, we have some of those Chabad types in the city where I live. I often drive past their compound on a heavily-trafficked street, with its high fences all around, and a prideful sign announcing their presence. My local Jewish friend, a liberal Rabbi though he doesn't work as such, held a Bat Mitzvah for his daughter about a decade ago. As a little girl, she'd been rather fond of me, so I went when invited. Once again, my friend felt compelled, I guess, to get some "real" Jews to officiate, so there was some young whippersnapper from Chabad there. I could feel the waves of contempt coming off him at me and the other Goyim. Not a pleasant feeling. And not likely to provoke sympathy. As I said, the Jews may be very smart—as they keep telling us—but apparently not smart enough to avoid making themselves unwelcome everywhere they go.

There are a lot of Jews in my liberal town. They often have adverts in the local papers about their (Reform) religious events, and lectures by so-and-so "direct from Israel", etc. Like I'm supposed to care about the profound significance of Pesach, etc. While Jews have been in the forefront of efforts to banish Christmas from American public life. They seem to want me to admire them, for what? They certainly seem to admire themselves. I once did, I guess, until I began to see clearly. Learning the truth about circumcision was a major epiphany, of course.

Anonymous Philalethes July 25, 2014 12:52 PM  

The Chinese in Thailand and some other SE Asian countries are similar, since they can pass as locals.

It is interesting that the Thais have moved to ban Chinese schools, so wealthy Chinese, even those who have purchased Thai names, send their kids to places like HK to learn their "culture."


It's not by accident that the Chinese are sometimes called "the Jews of Southeast Asia". The similarity (not an affinity) is probably the basis of Spengler's idea that the Chinese will love the Jews once they've completely fouled their nest in the West. Not likely.

Anonymous Fake Herzog July 25, 2014 1:00 PM  

"Except for the Episcopalians and probably certain Asian and Indian groups."

Stilicho, do you have a citation for this claim?

Anonymous Philalethes July 25, 2014 1:00 PM  

I cannot help the surname that I inherited.

Sure you can. You could change it. If you really want to identify with your mother's tribe—rather than your father's, as Euro-Americans do—you could assume a name from that tribe. Here, you're weaseling like a "stereotypical" Jew.

The vast, vast majority of the money that the United States.gives to Israel is not welfare. ... Most of it is earmarked for Israeli purchases of military stuff from U.S. defense companies.

Never said it was "welfare". You simply make my point: it's still trillions of American taxpayer dollars which benefit Americans in no way whatsoever. And before you argue that funding U.S. defense companies "benefits" Americans—no, it does not, especially as in this case it makes America hated in much of the world. If we weren't bankrolling the Zionist nightmare, we could, for instance, get about repairing our badly worn infrastructure.

Anonymous Samuel Scott July 25, 2014 1:09 PM  

I did change my name but I had used my old surname for so many years in my job and posting here and more that I still use it for those purposes

Anonymous Philalethes July 25, 2014 1:11 PM  

Now, please show me these many signs that Americans are set to turn on American Jews.

Read my posts. As I said, I think I may be a pretty good example. Only, as an intellectual type, I'm not much susceptible to blind rage. But, as with my former empathy for the injury claims of women and "people of color", I'm really tired of the victimhood obsession of people who've clearly mostly brought their misfortunes on themselves—and use same as a lever to exact special considerations from people who like to think of themselves as kind and understanding. Either the Jews are superior, or not; but no matter, either way they're not Americans.

Anonymous Samuel Scott July 25, 2014 1:12 PM  

Signing off for now

Anonymous Philalethes July 25, 2014 1:16 PM  

I did change my name but I had used my old surname for so many years in my job and posting here and more that I still use it for those purposes

Why? If you have a Jewish name, why not use it, especially when speaking on behalf of Jews, Judaism, the Jewish State, etc.? Keeping your options open, just in case? Frankly, you sound more and more like a "stereotypical" Jew all the time....

No offense intended, but I could respect you more if you were honest in your presentations. Having two names, one Jewish, one Gentile, is like having two passports. "No man can serve two masters."

Anonymous 74adamlel July 25, 2014 1:31 PM  

"What specific margin is that? That is a naked assertion. What are the actual numbers of Christians vs seculars vs Jews in those two industries?"

Even if Jew were represented in these industries at a rate of 10X greater than their percentage of the U.S. population, that would give them only 26% of the jobs. That leaves 74% of the jobs to "other"

Anonymous VD July 25, 2014 1:33 PM  

Keeping your options open, just in case? Frankly, you sound more and more like a "stereotypical" Jew all the time....

No, that's not a fair characterization. I know what Sam does and in his business, keeping the name he's established his business under for business purposes is no more remarkable than a woman keeping her maiden name professionally while legally changing it.

Anonymous VD July 25, 2014 1:35 PM  

Even if Jew were represented in these industries at a rate of 10X greater than their percentage of the U.S. population, that would give them only 26% of the jobs. That leaves 74% of the jobs to "other"

That's irrelevant. What is the actual percentage of Jews vs Christians in those two industries?

Anonymous Same old same old July 25, 2014 1:44 PM  

Oh come on. Does anyone really believe admission is based on merit?

In UK they have an overt two track system for entrance to Oxford and Cambridge. After an initial interview, if they like the cut of your jib, so to speak, you are given a unconditional offer (you need two "E" grade A-levels to get in [the lowest possible result that isn't considered abject failure])

If they think you might be very clever but lack the right pedigree you need four "A" grade A-levels or better to get in.

Funnily enough, all attendees are treated as if they qualified with 4As.

Oh, and after that its not those with the best degrees that get the best jobs.

Stop lying to your children. Being highly qualified without the connections is just showing those around you how good you are at following orders and advertising the fact that you never found anything better to do with your life than school, even as an adult.

Anonymous corvinus July 25, 2014 1:46 PM  

Btw, it's taqiyya. I don't read Arabic, but note that while some of the alternative transliterations have a single 'y', none have a double 'q'. (Btw, Google Translate gives no Hebrew equivalent for this Arabic word—which it renders into English as "pious"—strange given that the languages are so closely related.)

Hebrew has "anus", [wait for snickering] which would be one who does taqiyya.

If Asians and Jews are both so smart and so appreciative of getting good educations... then why can't they make their own systems?

The only group who actually made a parallel system like that in America was the Catholics, although of course that system went to hell after Vatican II just like everything else.

Although, unlike Jews and Muslims, pre-Vatican II Catholics were forbidden by their religion from doing taqiyya (which counted as apostasy), and hence were more likely to try to build their own structures rather than be pretend WASPs.

Anonymous 74adamlel July 25, 2014 1:47 PM  

" Read my posts. As I said, I think I may be a pretty good example....Either the Jews are superior, or not; but no matter, either way they're not Americans."

Really...A good example? You think there are a number of people who don't understand how citizenship and nationality is established?

OpenID cailcorishev July 25, 2014 1:58 PM  

Even if Jew were represented in these industries at a rate of 10X greater than their percentage of the U.S. population, that would give them only 26% of the jobs. That leaves 74% of the jobs to "other"

And obviously the majority always runs things. That's why the white overseers on plantations had to pick all the cotton.

Anonymous Stilicho July 25, 2014 2:15 PM  

Fake Herzog, here you go:

http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2008/12/inductivist-reaffirms-utility-of-gss.html

"Comparing a paper by Helmuth Nyborg (via Bruce G. Charlton) with a post earlier this year by Inductivist reaffirms that impressive level of precision. Nyborg finds the same surprising thing Inductivist found--Episcopalians have slightly higher average IQs than Jews do"

Anonymous RedJack July 25, 2014 2:16 PM  

OT:

Last time this came up, I remember a lot of the Ilk being National Merit Scholars.

Anonymous Viktor July 25, 2014 2:48 PM  

"And obviously the majority always runs things. That's why the white overseers on plantations had to pick all the cotton."

You don't quite have that analogy thingy down do you....

Blogger IM2L844 July 25, 2014 3:08 PM  

(eyeroll)

Does this mean that you don't think the ability of Jews to blend into white societies, largely unnoticed, hasn't benefitted them or that it is somehow irrelevant?

OpenID whoresoftheinternet July 25, 2014 3:23 PM  

I wonder how much Jewish in-grouping will dissipates as Israel develops.

It seems to me one of the major things that has pushed the stereotype of Jews being bad for a country is the idea that they are always at the forefront of overturning a nation's traditions/rules/rulers. That may come from the fact that Jews never considered themselves as part of a nation, but as visitors; the Jewish aversion to assimilation is always profound.

Old Americans worked hard to force all groups to assimilate: they banned foreign language speaking and had open debates on whether this group or that group could ever be truly american. The success in assimilating French Canadians (who saw Mardi Gras banned in New England) and the Irish ( who were all but second-class citizens due to fears of papish control) is a testament to this

Now that Jews have a land of their own, they have traditions and structures that they can truly call Jewish; this means changing things is now on their heads, rather than on some foreign ruler's head whose country they're just happening to be living in.

Perhaps those Jews in America who wish to change American traditions/ruling classes should be told what the Irish and French Canadians were: go back to your own country if you want it changed.

Rape!

Anonymous 74adamlel July 25, 2014 3:30 PM  

"That's irrelevant. What is the actual percentage of Jews vs Christians in those two industries?"

13.4% - see www.thejoooosdidit.com

Yeah, it's relevant. And now you are acting like the typical bloodied school boy, running away and shouting over your shoulder as you scurry.

Blogger RandalThorn July 25, 2014 3:37 PM  

You know something 74adamlel, you may be an idiot, but at least you are a useful idiot, just the amount of contrast between your 0SD/+1SD intellect compared to the rest of the Ilk's intellect (+2SD and going upwards) is more than enough to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that most of Vox's critiques are deserving the scornful title of 'ankle-biters'.

Anonymous VD July 25, 2014 3:38 PM  

"That's irrelevant. What is the actual percentage of Jews vs Christians in those two industries?"

13.4%


What is the percentage in both industries separately.

And now you are acting like the typical bloodied school boy, running away and shouting over your shoulder as you scurry.

I'm doing nothing of the kind. If you make another false accusation of that sort, you will not be permitted to participate in the discussion here. We're just getting started here, my dear amateur rhetorician. I'll dedicate months to it, if necessary.

I will have many, many more questions for you to answer. You haven't even begun to prove your case.

Anonymous Bernard Brandt July 25, 2014 4:07 PM  

This is a test to see whether I can upload a comment

Anonymous The Internet July 25, 2014 4:09 PM  

You have failed your test.

Blogger Rabbi B July 25, 2014 4:10 PM  

74adamlel

You might want to at least skim the Rules of the Blog, if nothing else:


2. You are expected to back up your assertions, so don't be surprised if you happen to get called on them. If you fail to back up an assertion when called on it, but refuse to retract the statement, understand that I reserve the right to delete the relevant comment and all subsequent comments you attempt to make. If you are asked a direct question relevant to the topic, then you will be expected to answer it in a straightforward and non-evasive manner; providing links in lieu of answers is not acceptable. (Links providing additional information in support of your answer are great, of course.) The dishonest and evasive tactics that are so common in Internet argumentation are not permitted here. If you refuse to either answer a question or admit that you cannot answer it, then you will not be permitted to comment here and all of your subsequent comments will be deleted.

Anonymous Bernard Brandt July 25, 2014 4:25 PM  

Several thoughts:

1. I come from a Christian tradition where it is generally frowned upon to badmouth the Jewish people: "Let those who hate Zion be put to shame and turned backwards" Ps. 129.

2. Nonetheless, one should note when Jews are behaving foolishly, ranging from Israelis alienating Christian Arabs in Israel to the point where the latter are actually collaborating with Muslims, to pro-Israeli American Jews alienating evangelical Christians.

3. While Eastern European Jews appear to be more intelligent than the norm (say, 1+ SD), rumors that their intellectual advantage is genetic (see Gregory Cochran, for example) may be a bit premature. I suspect that much of that advantage is due to the Ashkenazim's traditional concern for intensive early education, involving teaching literacy by 3-5 years. The problem as regards the Ashkenazim is that many others can play the same game, such as the Chinese and upper class English and American Episcopalians, who give their children the same advantages. What's worse, as Eastern European Jews abandon the tradition that gave them their intellectual advantages, they tend to regress to the mean.

4. I do not believe that it is anti-semitic to note that historically, whenever Jews start secularizing, they tend to antagonize the majority culture they mix with until it gets to the point where things get nasty. This has been the case since the days of Ramses II, all the way down through the times of Hamen, right up to Hitler. It's almost as though Someone periodically gets involved to keep a remnant for Himself.

Anonymous Don July 25, 2014 4:32 PM  

At some point the rent taking will become so egregious that the people will be forced to take notice. Probably when we are bankrupt. Unless another scapegoat is found it will come firmly to rest on the banksters and it will be painfully obvious who are the most visible members of the rent takers.

Americans in recent years bend over backwards to excuse bad behavior by select groups. It's a hatecrime to notice that these groups are overrepresented in certain crimes and dysfunctional behaviors. Once the fear of being on the wrong side of the PC establishment is gone the forbearance will be gone.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus July 25, 2014 4:46 PM  

"That's irrelevant. What is the actual percentage of Jews vs Christians in those two industries?"

74adamlel: "13.4% - see www.thejoooosdidit.com"

An excellent source.

Blogger Rabbi B July 25, 2014 4:50 PM  

Still waaaaaiiiiiting . . . . .

Blogger Rabbi B July 25, 2014 4:52 PM  

74adamlel

I f you are unable to back up your own assertions, what fraud have you exposed exactly ... except your own that is.

Anonymous Fake Herzog July 25, 2014 4:57 PM  

Stilicho,

Thanks for the reference. As Vox likes to say, the Dreaded Ilk are some of the smartest blog commenters around, so it is great to learn something new!

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben July 25, 2014 5:15 PM  

Stilicho, I would favor the businessman that I could trust. What matters most in this world is honesty and your reputation, and if a fellow Jew is a scumbag I will treat him so, shun him, and don't care if he ends up in jail (e.g. Bernie Madoff - I was once sitting at a dinner table with a fellow Jew who cringed when I called Madoff a thief and it's good he's in jail. This is a sick attitude that I find too much).

Blogger Rabbi B July 25, 2014 5:19 PM  

@ 74adamlel

Q.E.D.

Anonymous 11B July 25, 2014 5:40 PM  

Here is a blast from the past. Dateline: April 18, 1967

Enrollment of Jewish students in the Ivy League colleges has grown vastly in recent years, and decided steps toward opening more Ivy League doors to Jews have been taken this year, it was revealed here today
.
According to a survey of this year’s admission policies at the Ivy League institutions, published today by The New York Times, about 40 percent of the students at Columbia and the University of Pennsylvania are now Jewish. At Yale, Harvard and Cornell, the Jewish students are now thought to number between 20 and 25 percent, while between 13 and 20 percent of the students at Dartmouth, Princeton and Brown are believed to be Jewish


Forty-four years ago! I did not realize it has been going on for so long. For what it is worth, I am neither a Jew, nor WASP. Bbut I always felt that the private Ivies, created by the WASPs, had no obligation to let others into them, let alone let other come to dominate them. Would elite institutions in other nations open themselves up like this? Would the finest institutions in Israel be willing to admit tens of thousands of high IQ Chinese and Indians at the expense of lower IQ Jews?

Anonymous Atombum July 25, 2014 5:41 PM  

Vox has oft said that life for jews is going to become interesting when the 'Great Unwashed' encounter ROTGD. Just last night George Noory of Coast to Coast AM had an author on discussing the ROTGD and "those secular, Zionist thugs in Tev avi'(though excusing jews of faith).

Anonymous scoobius dubious July 25, 2014 5:42 PM  

"a very predictable way idiots would try to cover over their exposure as frauds"

Idiots are not the same thing as frauds. Idiots are either mistaken, or too stupid to see what they've missed, or are ignorant of relevant facts. One thing idiots are not doing is lying. It isn't fraudulent to just be wrong.

If you can make a superior case, so be it (I don't care about this discussion). But if you can't make a distinction this simple, you might want to think twice about questioning the intelligence of the folks round these parts.

Anonymous 11B July 25, 2014 5:46 PM  

@ 74adamlel: We did have the shooting in Kansas City at the Jewish Community Center in April.

Anonymous Viktor July 25, 2014 5:46 PM  

"I always felt that the private Ivies, created by the WASPs, had no obligation to let others into them"

I'm not sure they do. But that's not the issue. Is your problem with there being a relatively large number of Jews in the Ivy Leagues that there is fewer room for WASPS? ARe you advocating a race based quota system?

Blogger Rabbi B July 25, 2014 6:04 PM  

". . . .creating a rule about "assertions" . . . ."

I don't think being asked or expected to back up one's assertions is 'a made-up rule', but rather a fundamentally basic element of intelligent and meaningful dialogue ... either you can support your assertion or you can't or are unwilling to do so ...

Anonymous corvinus July 25, 2014 6:30 PM  

@74adamlel

I actually agree with you about there being no evidence of Americans turning on Jews, only so long as Evangelical Protestantism remains the dominant religion in the USA.

Anonymous VD July 25, 2014 6:31 PM  

what evidence do you have that Americans will turn virulently against American Jews in the event of another economic crisis given not a hint of such attitude was voiced to explain the 2008 crash, let alone back up an ounce of policy making in response to the crisis.

The history of over 100 expulsions of Jewish people in more than 20 European nations. Americans still regard Jews with 60 percent favorability and the 2008 crash did not have a particularly devastating effect on Americans. It was a crisis, not a collapse.

You can't reasonably compare 2008 with the period from 1918 to 1933. But the current situation is not sustainable and I see no sign that America's Jews are going to curb their ambitions. The issue isn't that Jewish power is dominant now, but it is ascendant, it has increased in the last 20 years and it appears likely to continue to do so for the next 20, which is when I expect the collapse to take place.

Anonymous VD July 25, 2014 6:32 PM  

And, since you can't be civil and you're lying about the rules, you're now spammed.

Anonymous 11B July 25, 2014 6:35 PM  

I'm not sure they do. But that's not the issue. Is your problem with there being a relatively large number of Jews in the Ivy Leagues that there is fewer room for WASPS? ARe you advocating a race based quota system?

My problem is that the 'quota system' of the Ivies has now become part of the folklore of our 'narrative' that seeks to bash the Anglo-Saxons who created this place. As I mentioned earlier, I am neither a Jew nor WASP, but freely admit that my immigrant parents came to this nation because of, not despite the WASPs. So I actually look up to the WASPs and respect them for the New World nations they created. It doesn't take a genius to realize that Canada, Australia and the USA are at the top of everybody's list, while Latin America can't even seem to keep its own people, let alone be a beacon to others.

Thus, it troubles me to see other immigrant groups, namely Jews and Irish, trash the WASPs and push policies such as mass third world immigration as a way to get back at the WASP for the perceived slights of not letting them into their golf clubs or schools. The WASPs never invited us into their country clubs or schools, but we never felt slighted. We actually appreciated their nation and the ideals they brought forth.

As far as the slighted immigrant groups, no one stopped them from going to Latin America.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben July 25, 2014 6:37 PM  

You have to be delusional to think that what happened to Jews in the past won't happen here in America. It will happen and it will be quick.

Anonymous Stilicho July 25, 2014 6:38 PM  

I actually agree with you about there being no evidence of Americans turning on Jews, only so long as Evangelical Protestantism remains the dominant religion in the USA.

Do you think that would change were such denominations to start making a distinction between Israelis and American Jews (e.g. between Bibi Netanyahu and Michael Bloomberg)? Do you, as a Catholic if I recall correctly, think that such a distinction is likely to occur when the ongoing depression really kicks into high gear?

Anonymous VD July 25, 2014 6:38 PM  

"a very predictable way idiots would try to cover over their exposure as frauds"

The cretin was projecting. That rule has been in place for years to deal with hit-and-run commenters who like to play prosecutor with everyone else and were ignoring everyone else's questions.

He had no case other than "it hasn't happened yet, ergo it will never happen." The amusing thing is that his very concerns about the fact that people were talking about it betrayed his fear of what he was stating was implausible.

Anonymous VD July 25, 2014 7:00 PM  

You're done here, 74adamiel. That doesn't mean you get to post another three comments. None of your additional questions will be answered and all of your subsequent comments will be deleted. Including those with your inevitable protests, complaints, and accusations.

Read the rules. They have been there for years. You didn't abide by them, so you don't get to participate in the discourse any longer.

Anonymous Shalamite July 25, 2014 7:06 PM  

"Either the Jews are superior, or not; but no matter, either way they're not Americans."

We American Jews have been dealing with your type for a long time only lately you tend to be found in trailer parks. In response, we normally point you out to others the way you point out a particularly well intact piece of road kill. Other times we've just bought your trailer park, waited a couple months until you are two months behind on your rent and then kick you out.

Anonymous VD July 25, 2014 7:12 PM  

We American Jews have been dealing with your type for a long time only lately you tend to be found in trailer parks. In response, we normally point you out to others the way you point out a particularly well intact piece of road kill. Other times we've just bought your trailer park, waited a couple months until you are two months behind on your rent and then kick you out.

Of course, the whole problem is that his kind didn't live in trailer parks when your immigrant grandfathers arrived in America seeking refuge from the European countries that kicked them out. Do you truly fail to see that the attitude you are expressing here is not only unlikely to impress anyone, but is extraordinarily unwise anywhere you make up half of one percent of the population?

Anonymous VD July 25, 2014 7:15 PM  

That's now four attempts. It's futile, 74adamiel. You're hardly the first to go in the spamfile.

Anonymous 74adamlel July 25, 2014 7:17 PM  

"That's now four attempts. It's futile, 74adamiel. You're hardly the first to go in the spamfile"

What kind of coward are you....I'm just curious.

Anonymous 11B July 25, 2014 7:19 PM  

We American Jews have been dealing with your type for a long time only lately you tend to be found in trailer parks.

The odd thing is that a not too insignificant number of the people in trailer parks have a more favorable disposition to Israel than other groups in the US.

Other times we've just bought your trailer park, waited a couple months until you are two months behind on your rent and then kick you out.

Just make sure you are not lowering the boom on your most enthusiastic supporters.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus July 25, 2014 7:24 PM  

I would like to point out that, while we are talking about the +1sd average Ashkenazi intelligence...thus the average Ashkenazim is a Midwit: those annoying sophomoric fools who live in the Looking Glass such that because they observe that they are smarter than average, they assume they are smarter than everyone. The requisite hubris that we see with midwits is magnified by the tribal loyalties possessed by Ashkenazim. Midwits.

In terms of absolute numbers: in the US, we would expect to see half the Ashkenazim with an IQ (Stanford - Binet} of 115 or higher...approximately 4 million people. Only counting whites in the US, there are over 32 million people with IQs over 115.

Anonymous Shalamite July 25, 2014 7:25 PM  

"Of course, the whole problem is that his kind didn't live in trailer parks when your immigrant grandfathers arrived in America"

Make that Great, Great, Great Grandfather born in 1830 and arrived here in 1835. You want us to cower in the closet in the face of certain hostility? I don't think so. There's no sense in messing with us. We don't cower.

Anonymous Shalamite July 25, 2014 7:28 PM  

"The odd thing is that a not too insignificant number of the people in trailer parks have a more favorable disposition to Israel than other groups in the US."

When Israel is responsible for the safety of American Jews, then I'll care about what trailer trash thinks of American Jews. Israel takes care of itself. We take care of our country and our family.

Anonymous 11B July 25, 2014 7:32 PM  

When Israel is responsible for the safety of American Jews, then I'll care about what trailer trash thinks of American Jews. Israel takes care of itself. We take care of our country and our family.

I guess I will never understand why so many Jews hate and despise the unwashed whites in this country that are their biggest supporters.

As far as Israel taking care of itself, don't you think it is about time to end the annual subsidies?

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus July 25, 2014 7:38 PM  

Thinking about that recent article in the Examiner by Steve Williams where he catalogs the individuals among the current 10 highest IQs on Earth, finding that 8 of them are Theists. If memory serves correctly, I don't think any of them are Ashkenazim, FWIW.

Anonymous Stilicho July 25, 2014 7:38 PM  

Israel takes care of itself.

Look, I'm all for Israel defending itself against all comers, including the current death cults in charge of Gaza and the West Bank, but that statement is demonstrably false. Maybe Israel could take care of itself without continuous financial, military, and political support from the U.S., but that hasn't been the case since shortly after '48.

You want us to cower in the closet in the face of certain hostility?

Where did you see such a suggestion? I only saw a suggestion that you might not want to poke the hibernating bear while you're hanging out in its cave.

Anonymous VD July 25, 2014 7:39 PM  

You want us to cower in the closet in the face of certain hostility? I don't think so. There's no sense in messing with us. We don't cower.

(laughs) You obviously don't know your Jewish history. Cowering is exactly what your people do once all their verbal bluffing gets called. I admire the Sabra confidence, but read some British history sometime and you'll learn exactly how hard it is to beat up on Arab armies. British teenagers with barely more than 100 men defeated entire armies.

If Christians actually hated Jews the way some of your people seem to believe we do, we could wipe you off the planet in an afternoon. There are over a billion of us. But we truly don't want to do so. We have no desire to do so. So don't confuse Christian tolerance with Jewish strength.

There were proportionately twice as many Jews in Germany as there are in the USA today. And the Germans nearly eradicated your people while simultaneously fighting a two-front war against three major military powers.

That being said I'm not recommending that you cower. I'm simply recommending that you keep a civil fucking tongue in your head when you are a fucking guest in someone else's land. And I say that because I am an immigrant to another land myself. I may be a citizen, my children may be citizens, but we will always be stranieri so long as we keep some American traditions that distinguish us from the natives.

You will never be an American so long as you identify with Israel. That's not anti-semitism. That's not even being unfriendly. That's just a reminder not to confuse abstract concepts like citizenship with the material reality of genetics.

Anonymous George of the Jungle July 25, 2014 7:43 PM  

"The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing." J. Ripper

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus July 25, 2014 7:48 PM  

Correction to my earlier statement on the number of US Ashkenazim with IQs over 115: it is 2 million, not 4 million...I was thinking of the Israeli population numbers, which are about twice that of the US numbers.

Anonymous VD July 25, 2014 7:51 PM  

There were proportionately twice as many Jews in Germany as there are in the USA today. And the Germans nearly eradicated your people while simultaneously fighting a two-front war against three major military powers.

I forgot to add: the USA defeated the Germans twice. The Germans made the mistake of underestimating the White Anglo-Saxon Protestant American. Do you really think that's a wise move for a group who are mostly here because they fled from the very people the Americans defeated.

Yes, we look fat, dumb, and lazy. We are fat, dumb, and lazy. But since the days of King Alfred, the Saxon has always tended to leave things until he can't possibly put them off any longer. And when he does finally bestir himself, his enemies are always astonished by the consequences. It may help to remember that while the Romans crushed the Jews, the Saxons drove the Romans out of Britain.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus July 25, 2014 7:52 PM  

corvinus: "I actually agree with you about there being no evidence of Americans turning on Jews, only so long as Evangelical Protestantism remains the dominant religion in the USA."

I. Jews hate the bearers of that religion, and are working with great success to submerge them in multiculturalism and forced assimilation. This cannot change, and my evidence for that is that smarter Jews like Elliott Abrams worked out long ago that this would not end well, and their arguments have been ignored and frozen out by the Jewish community. If there was ever a fork in the road there, it's been passed.

(Shalamite: "We American Jews have been dealing with your type for a long time only lately you tend to be found in trailer parks. In response, we normally point you out to others the way you point out a particularly well intact piece of road kill. Other times we've just bought your trailer park, waited a couple months until you are two months behind on your rent and then kick you out."

Yes, exactly. So true, and perfectly expressed.)

II. Evangelical Protestantism is heading for a crisis, because in its most naively, emotionally and persuasively philosemitic form it is a sort of prosperity gospel, claiming that those that bless Israel are blessed, and looking for confirmation of that blessing on a community level in the visible here and now. It doesn't matter that Jews visibly curse those that bless them, what matters is that God blesses, as shown by America's prosperity. And this blessing can be seen in the wealth, power and righteousness of the Indispensable Nation.

But this sets up the crisis of legitimacy that struck the Soviet Union: here is your earthly paradise, you are living in it; now is it splendid or is it squalid? And if it's squalid the system has a problem.

America's increasingly Jewish-dominated ruling class is doing everything to make white and Christian America squalid, debased, dispiriting, un-free, genetically destroyed and financially broke - that is the opposite of what a nation of divinely blessed blessers of Israel ought to look like.

Anonymous takin' a look July 25, 2014 7:55 PM  

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/13/sunday-review/white-bigoted-and-young.html?_r=0

The main article. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/13/opinion/sunday/seth-stephens-davidowitz-the-data-of-hate.html

It is the 14 to 30 year old educated whites who are joining or perusing white pride sites. Look at the map, the traditional southern"trailer park trash" zones are steady or even in decline as "white power" strongholds. The 14 to 18 year olds seem to overwhelmingly come from "Vibrancies" and the 18 to 30 year olds used to be "Vibrancy" city slickers but now live in predominately white areas of the country. These aren't knuckle dragging welfare sucking white trash losers but very pissed off kids who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus July 25, 2014 7:55 PM  

So far, radically philosemitic Christians have dealt with the problem. There is still lots of money washing around - but that is debt, not real prosperity based on production, so that won't last. The generations are cannibalizing each other: the old by securing "peace" for themselves by tolerating political changes that are ruinous for their children, and the children by not putting much into the pipeline (largely because they can't), not moving out of home and so on. There will be little legacy for the next generation (it's already largely used up), only the hostility of a non-white majority with a legally privileged position and elite support in expropriating working class whites. This business of eating the seed corn and waiting for a miracle to rescue those that bless Israel can't go on indefinitely. And mainly the stopgap solution of the faithful is to redefine as "prosperity" whatever the ruling class rams down their necks to kill them. The forced homosexualization of white culture? What a blessing of increased tolerance! Displacement by blacks and Mexicans (and the loss of homes, property, legacy, culture and roots that go with that): just think of it as one's tents being enlarged by all these wonderful new people! But the Soviet Union too stretched its legitimacy by redefining whatever the crippled system produced as "prosperity", and that game comes to an end.

It seems likely, on historic precedents, that at some point the betrayed children of radically philosemitic Christian parents will look around at their blasted prospects, and face the obvious questions: "if this is our blessing, what would curses look like? And how can we walk in the ways of our fathers when they haven't left us the means to do so, or even the legal rights they once had? And even if we did somehow walk in the ways of our fathers, what could we then pass on to our children but even worse ruin than what our parents passed on to us? So is the interpretation of the Bible that our parents held to right, or even practical?" And they'll talk to each other about that - reluctantly and tardily to be sure, but the issues will be unavoidable.

When belief in the unique, visible, this-worldly community-level moral and material blessing of those who most bless Israel is in the same category as belief in the dialectically ordained material superiority and extraordinary lack of corruption in the Soviet Union, the game will change.

2034 should be interesting.

Anonymous Shalamite July 25, 2014 7:59 PM  

"That being said I'm not recommending that you cower. I'm simply recommending that you keep a civil fucking tongue in your head when you are a fucking guest in someone else's land."

I'll keep that in mind for when I'm a guest in someone else's land. Until then, I'll say what I think and act as I am: an American, a son, a husband and a Jew doesn't give a shot about your insecurities.

Anonymous VD July 25, 2014 8:06 PM  

I'll say what I think and act as I am: an American, a son, a husband and a Jew doesn't give a shot about your insecurities.

Do as you like. I don't give even the smallest damn about you. Nor do those tens of millions of white trailer park people you despise so publicly while pretending to be one of them.

There are Jews I would defend with my life. They've merited that respect and commitment. You? Not so much.

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