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Saturday, July 05, 2014

In fairness, he didn't shoot her

You know, I don't recall ever seeing Eric Estrada grounding and pounding a woman on CHiPs. The California Highway Patrol is caught on camera protecting and serving the California public by beating the hell out of a woman:
A barefoot woman described as harmless was subdued and pummeled by a California Highway Patrol officer in an incident captured on video. The California Highway Patrol (CHP) is investigating the incident, which occurred on Tuesday in Los Angeles.

Video shot from a by-passing car shows the CHP officer chasing the woman on foot through traffic. In the video, the officer catches up to the woman from behind, spins her around and takes her to the ground. The pair struggled, but the officer ends up on top. From that position, he begins punching her rapidly in the head.

“He is beating her up, yo,” a man filming the incident is heard saying.

“Oh my gosh, why?” a woman asks....

“No one condones when he gets on top of a woman, and this is a big officer, and he punches her repeatedly,” Diaz said. “I think he punched her in the head 15 times.”
I have no doubt the CHP will investigate the incident with all of the justice and impartiality shown by every other police department when investigating its officers.

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Anonymous The Truthful Contrarian July 05, 2014 9:10 AM  

"The California Highway Patrol is caught on camera protecting and serving the California public by beating the hell out of a woman:"

A horrible scene. However, your contempt will be placed in the Hold File until the moment you can highlight he heroic and courageous acts police officers perform every day. Until then....All we have is a view of your basket of cherries, picked and sorted.

Anonymous MrGreenMan July 05, 2014 9:19 AM  

You so funny, TC.

Anonymous Laz July 05, 2014 9:21 AM  

@ TC: Yeah, it's not like these stories surface every single day now.

Blogger AdognamedOp July 05, 2014 9:38 AM  

Those civilians that rode past without taking action against the goons are just as guilty as the statist pigs involved in this beat down.
Ponch wept.

Anonymous Hunsdon July 05, 2014 9:39 AM  

@TC. So, if half the time cops are wonderful and heroic, and half the time they're giving beatdowns pour encourager les autres . . . you're cool with that? What if it's 2/3 good, and "only" 1/3 bad? 80/20?

Anonymous Porky July 05, 2014 9:41 AM  

...your contempt will be placed in the Hold File...

Is this the recorded message at the CHP complaint hotline?

Anonymous TJIC July 05, 2014 9:46 AM  

"The Shield" is not only one of the best shows ever on TV, it's also an excellent documentary of how cops actually behave. Torture, lying, vicious beat downs, murder.

Anonymous The Truthful Contrarian July 05, 2014 9:49 AM  

"@TC. So, if half the time cops are wonderful and heroic, and half the time they're giving beatdowns pour encourager les autres . . . you're cool with that? What if it's 2/3 good, and "only" 1/3 bad? 80/20?"

I'd be worried if it were 99% good and heroic and 1% bad.

Anonymous zen0 July 05, 2014 9:50 AM  

The last time I saw a barefoot woman pursued in the street was when a prostitute took money to perform a sex act and then took off on the guy.

Just sayin'.

Anonymous Porky July 05, 2014 9:53 AM  

I'd be worried if it were 99% good and heroic and 1% bad.

Unfortunately we'll never know, will we TC?

It's not like this guy was going to go back to his desk and write in his report "punched homeless lady 15 times in the face. It was awesome."

Anonymous Laz July 05, 2014 10:00 AM  

""The Shield" is not only one of the best shows ever on TV, it's also an excellent documentary of how cops actually behave. Torture, lying, vicious beat downs, murder."

While not wholly true it is a good example. Working in the LEO service industry I can tell you it's sometimes hard to distinguish between felon and cop without the uniform.

Anonymous Androsynth July 05, 2014 10:12 AM  

The cop is clearly a Good Feminist who understands that women are just as strong and dangerous as men in a violent struggle, and should be treated accordingly. NOW will be giving him an award soon for putting their beliefs into practice, and if he scrawls out some poetry about how oppressed he is, he'll probably win a Nebula next year as well.

Anonymous Porky July 05, 2014 10:19 AM  

I'd be worried if it were 99% good and heroic and 1% bad.

You never saw Serpico?

I think you've got those numbers reversed, bro.

OpenID cailcorishev July 05, 2014 10:24 AM  

The last time I saw a barefoot woman pursued in the street was when a prostitute took money to perform a sex act and then took off on the guy.

Exactly my thought: she probably refused to give him his Tuesday blowjob bribe to be left alone to do business for the week.

Anonymous zen0 July 05, 2014 10:28 AM  

However, your contempt will be placed in the Hold File until the moment you can highlight he heroic and courageous acts police officers perform every day.

Reading comprehension much? Its right there in the headline, yo.

OpenID cailcorishev July 05, 2014 10:29 AM  

“No one condones [....]” Diaz said.

How quaint. The CHP will condone it, giving him a slap on the wrist at worst, maybe some paid administrative leave. Plenty of citizens will condone it too, though that number is shrinking.

Anonymous Stephen J. July 05, 2014 10:33 AM  

The end result of worst-case-scenario training, among others. It used to be that LEOs who actually had to fire their weapon were trained to do so in two-tap bursts, stopping to allow the target the chance to cease aggressive movement in reaction to being hit or almost being hit. Excessive exposure to drug- or mental-illness-driven violence, where somebody with a knife can be on top of you with three or four bullets in him and leave you bleeding out before he bleeds out, changed the response through hard experience: now, if many LEOs have to fire they do not stop until the target ceases *all* movement.

Similarly, when hand-to-hand violence is trained on the assumption that overwhelming force is the safest alternative, that's where your reflex responses will go even if the subject doesn't merit it. And who's to say this subject didn't merit it? If she was homeless and walking through traffic, she was almost certainly mentally ill, and the predictable-safe-response threshold for the mentally ill is perilously unreliable. All it takes is half a second letting down your guard around somebody crazy who had a knife you didn't know about, because they're obviously smaller and weaker than you and therefore not dangerous, and they're giving your pension to your widow.

None of this precludes this officer being a sadistic sonova who took the opportunity to indulge a love for bullying violence. But cops are like any other group of people: they respond to incentives and circumstances. You want to change the behaviour, we need to change the circumstances so we get different incentives.

Anonymous The Truthful Contrarian July 05, 2014 10:43 AM  

"While not wholly true it is a good example. Working in the LEO service industry I can tell you it's sometimes hard to distinguish between felon and cop without the uniform."

Sometimes, just very rarely.

Anonymous Susan July 05, 2014 10:48 AM  

Is this the same woman who was noted in other articles elsewhere as having punched this officer in the face? I can understand this reaction from him then. Understand it, but definitely not condone it. He needs a good legal bitchslap from somebody, but he probably won't get it. He way over reacted.

I agree about the bystanders not helping this woman. Which also leads me to believe that she may in fact have started the fisticuffs. Maybe the witnesses know the truth, she started it, and that is why they aren't doing anything. Isn't that one of the alpha rules here? Woman punches guy in face, she is going to be treated in kind.

Blogger WATYF July 05, 2014 10:52 AM  

Based on the title, I assumed this post was going to be about the recent Opie and Anthony incident.

WATYF

Anonymous Steveo July 05, 2014 10:56 AM  

So TC, got a basket of cherries from the cop fan club where a cop that beat down a citizen was turned in by a brother cop, prosecuted & convicted & jailed w/o a public outcry (with or without video) first? You know, because the cops (99%/1% that would worry you) are so good about doing the right thing?

Anonymous Dan in Tx July 05, 2014 10:58 AM  

It's amazing that these cops and their defenders believe that the unilateral escalation of violence and militarization of the police is not going to have consequences / blow back down the road.

Anonymous Laz July 05, 2014 10:58 AM  

"Sometimes, just very rarely."

MUCH more than rarely. I would say more than 50/50

Anonymous automatthew July 05, 2014 11:01 AM  

"The Truthful Contrarian" is a very familiar kind of name. Troll bingo, anyone?

Anonymous Michael July 05, 2014 11:02 AM  

The CHP officer will get a slap on the wrist, which translates to temporary suspension w/ pay. Even if the woman sues and wins, the settlement will cost the taxpaying public, not the officer in question.

There will be no justice.

Anonymous Laz July 05, 2014 11:11 AM  

"Even if the woman sues and wins, the settlement will cost the taxpaying public, not the officer in question."

If you win a suit against the department it just makes it that much easier to sue the cop in civil court

Anonymous VD July 05, 2014 11:12 AM  

Isn't that one of the alpha rules here? Woman punches guy in face, she is going to be treated in kind.

Yes. But not by a police officer. They get paid to put up with that sort of thing. And treatment in kind would indicate a punch in the face, not a 15-strike ground-and-pound beating.

Nice passive-aggression, though. I'm sure we're all impressed.

Anonymous Hunsdon July 05, 2014 11:15 AM  

Every incident like this takes us one step closer to the Dorner solution.

Anonymous Jon Baker July 05, 2014 11:17 AM  

"Yes. But not by a police officer. They get paid to put up with that sort of thing."

Doesn't pass the smell test. He's a man, she's a female and a vibrant to boot. She hit him, he gets to pummel her into oblivion, regardless if he is a cop. It's about male showmanship and dominance. Females who hit men will get it twice as hard, regardless of occupation.

Anonymous Salt July 05, 2014 11:22 AM  

@TC,

Yours is the continuing mantra that liberals give so much a pass because... Bush.

Anonymous BillB July 05, 2014 11:26 AM  

We find the the arrestee continued raising her head off the ground and slamming it into the officer's hand until the officer finally was able to quietly and safely place the arrestee into the back seat of his police car.

Anonymous CLK July 05, 2014 11:39 AM  

"I'd be worried if it were 99% good and heroic and 1% bad."

What makes you believe that the ratio of good to bad would be any different than the general population.

"Those civilians that rode past without taking action against the goons are just as guilty as the statist pigs involved in this beat down."

Do you know how "F'd" you would be if you tried to stop the cops in a situation like this ... If it were family I would get involved but for some stranger ... Its hard to imagine what someone could do to deserve treatment like that but we simply dont know.

"I agree about the bystanders not helping this woman. Which also leads me to believe that she may in fact have started the fisticuffs. Maybe the witnesses know the truth, she started it, and that is why they aren't doing anything. Isn't that one of the alpha rules here? Woman punches guy in face, she is going to be treated in kind."

The best thing a bystander can do is have the video camera running ...anything else and they would have be arrest for interfering with an officer in the performance of their duty... I am sure that that cops didn't know there was a video running or they would have taken the camera.

Alpha rules ? ... way before the game my father (and mother) said never hit a woman first...but its should be interesting to hear the whole story .. the race of the people involved will be interesting. There are black women that are extremely violent and strong --- look at the size of her forearms - they are as big as the cops..

We should watch this story over the next few months...

Anonymous Scintan July 05, 2014 11:44 AM  

And who's to say this subject didn't merit it? If she was homeless and walking through traffic, she was almost certainly mentally ill, and the predictable-safe-response threshold for the mentally ill is perilously unreliable. All it takes is half a second letting down your guard around somebody crazy who had a knife you didn't know about, because they're obviously smaller and weaker than you and therefore not dangerous, and they're giving your pension to your widow.

Might as well just shoot anyone doing anything that looks remotely suspicious. After all, they're all potentially dangerous.

Anonymous p-dawg July 05, 2014 11:50 AM  

@Susan: You think regular people are going to assault a police officer in order to help a stranger? Will you share whatever it is you're smoking?

Anonymous CLK July 05, 2014 11:58 AM  

"You think regular people are going to assault a police officer in order to help a stranger?"

I would need complete awareness of the whole situation before I would consider getting involved; it would have to be very close family ... and would want quite a few others at my back because it would escalate.. look at the Bundy ranch .. it only worked because there were so many people there willing to stand up against the law...

Anonymous dh July 05, 2014 12:00 PM  

if many LEOs have to fire they do not stop until the target ceases *all* movement.

This is not true. LEO's are trained to yell "STOP RESISTING" as they beat the living crap out of you, or alternatively, "WHATS IN YOUR HANDS, PUT YOUR HANDS UP" as they open fire.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami July 05, 2014 12:05 PM  

"Those civilians that rode past without taking action against the goons are just as guilty"


In their defense, she was black.

OpenID cailcorishev July 05, 2014 12:15 PM  

What makes you believe that the ratio of good to bad would be any different than the general population.

Two reasons. First, different jobs attract different kinds of people. Sales positions attract extroverts, for instance. And a job where you get to carry a gun (in some jurisdictions, one of the few people who can), where you can stop people and tell them what to do, where most people respect you (or at least pretend to), and where you have a tight-knit group of comrades who always back each other, will also attract certain kinds of people. Not as an absolute, of course, but certain types will be over-represented.

Second, there's the us-versus-them culture that turns even the good ones into guys who will look the other way when a cop is at fault. I've had a few friends or relatives who were cops, who were good guys to hang out with off-duty, but I never had any illusions about whose side they would take if I were ever in a dispute with other cops.

That culture seems to have gotten much stronger in recent years. I'd guess that's partly the drug war, partly the anti-terrorism training, partly the increase in nanny-state laws that make it impossible for anyone to be 100% law-abiding at all times, and maybe partly just a reflection of the general class warfare that's been going on. Whatever the reason, cops tend to see all non-cops as criminals, so they have little empathy for anyone in this woman's situation. They have the parent's attitude of, "Maybe you didn't take the cookies this time, but this spanking will cover all the times I didn't catch you."

Incidentally, when Rodney King was beaten up, I was one of the people saying, "Looks like he asked for it," or, "Maybe they technically went too far this time, but he probably deserved it for his other crimes." I haven't become a Rodney King fan, or turned into a hippie -- in a fight between a cop and a hippie, I'd be hoping for them both to lose -- but I can't be the only person who's shifted like that on the issue.

Anonymous Mr. Stubby July 05, 2014 12:27 PM  

What exactly warrants the cop immediately attacking the woman from behind to do a slam to the ground? Obviously, this deserved being beaten about the face in deliberate full force beat-down because she did not immediately go into submissive limp mode. The only thing that deviates this from being raped, is he did not pull down her pants and insert. Remember folks, it is always your duty to go completely submissive when being thrown to the ground by your betters.

Young woman was pulled over for improperly using her cell phone by California Highway Patrol officers. After first stopping on the right shoulder, she was ordered to not stop there, to go forward and get off freeway. Because of rush hour traffic noise, she did not hear clearly what she was directed to do.

CHP Brutalizes & Hog-ties Pregnant Woman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kdm862pvBI

Anonymous Mr. Stubby July 05, 2014 12:33 PM  

P.S. In the video CHP Brutalizes & Hog-ties Pregnant Woman, you will note that all the good cops were not present.

Anonymous Laz July 05, 2014 12:37 PM  

"That culture seems to have gotten much stronger in recent years. I'd guess that's partly the drug war, partly the anti-terrorism training, partly the increase in nanny-state laws that make it impossible for anyone to be 100% law-abiding at all times, and maybe partly just a reflection of the general class warfare that's been going on. Whatever the reason, cops tend to see all non-cops as criminals, so they have little empathy for anyone in this woman's situation. They have the parent's attitude of, "Maybe you didn't take the cookies this time, but this spanking will cover all the times I didn't catch you."

Don't forget the guys who get out of the service and immediately go into law enforcement.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza July 05, 2014 12:40 PM  

Horrifying. Coming to a city near those who could never imagine they are next.

Anonymous Laz July 05, 2014 12:42 PM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kdm862pvBI

She also got a $250K settlement: http://www.chicolawyers.com/pregnant-woman-beaten-by-chp-officers-receives-250000-settlement-video/

Anonymous Jill July 05, 2014 1:00 PM  

Yeah, I'd look mentally ill, too, if a cop had beat me 15 times in the head. Fuckers. Hate cops.

Anonymous roger u July 05, 2014 1:24 PM  

Rodney King looked innocent in his video, too. Show me the whole encounter and give me the background details.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 05, 2014 1:28 PM  

P.S. In the video CHP Brutalizes & Hog-ties Pregnant Woman, you will note that all the good cops were not present.

All, or at least a large chunk, of the good cops are firefighters or driving instructors now. Good cops don't enjoy hassling people for seatbelt and HOV lane violations and, since that's a huge part of the job now, they get out as soon as they can.

Blogger IM2L844 July 05, 2014 1:29 PM  

If only there were laws against this sort of thing.

Look, people need to understand that each time you encounter a cop, you are necessarily engaged in a psychological battle of wits and you better be thinking three moves ahead. Queue up Kenny Rogers - "You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away and know when to run."

Blogger RobertW July 05, 2014 1:59 PM  

So it sounds like the new acceptable police behavior is that if a woman slaps a police officer twice her size he is justified in pushing her down on the ground and pounding the crap out of her? Although I guess in this day and age, she's lucky he didn't put a bullet in her brain.

Anonymous Mr. Stubby July 05, 2014 1:59 PM  

Rodney King looked innocent in his video, too. Show me the whole encounter and give me the background details.

The cops are working on it. Spin will come for your satisfaction.

Anonymous roger u July 05, 2014 2:02 PM  

@ Mr Stubby
As opposed to the libertarian spin painting all cops as bad guys based on the oh so reliable MSM?

Anonymous Mr. Stubby July 05, 2014 2:08 PM  

Don't forget the guys who get out of the service and immediately go into law enforcement.

Yeah. And all that Dept. of Homeland Sturmabteilung training, grants, and equipment just further instills in their minds that they are the warrior class amongst us peons. And they're not all from the grunt class. I was watching a video of a thugscrum the other day... and most of them were cherry faced babies.

Anonymous Androsynth July 05, 2014 2:19 PM  

You think regular people are going to assault a police officer in order to help a stranger?

I wouldn't assault a stranger to help a police officer.

Anonymous Mr. Stubby July 05, 2014 2:21 PM  

@ Mr Stubby
As opposed to the libertarian spin painting all cops as bad guys based on the oh so reliable MSM?


Yeah. Because every time you see a legitimate video of cops killing or beating the crap out of someone unjustly... all those cops are good guys. Amazing that there is never a good cop around to interfere with those injustices caught on camera.

To be fair, I know of 2 vids... just 2. One was of a lady cop who lost her job trying to prevent an unjust beat-down. The other was of a male cop pushing back another who was being a dick-head.

I think your idea of a good cop is one who walks granny across the street one day, and then beats the crap out of someone the next.

Anonymous dUg July 05, 2014 2:21 PM  

Well, if the U.S. Army, especially out of Fort Huachuca is the following:

1) controlled by a foreign government that may well represent a “clear and present danger” to the security of the United States.
2) is at war with America.
3) a terror organization.
4) the American Gestapo.
5) involved in racketeering and extortion.
6) guilty of mail and wire fraud and conspiracy.

Then when we find local law enforcement beating up on whoever, vulnerable, innocent (without due process) ................ are we shocked?

Shite flows downhill. And there is a lot of shite ...

People, if anything, go to Veterans Today for the gun talk. Brought to you by Uncle Gordy. Yes, the very same who gave the aforementioned article on Army abuse. They don't talk about soccer there. But they do cover just about everything else.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 05, 2014 2:21 PM  

As opposed to the libertarian spin painting all cops as bad guys based on the oh so reliable MSM?

You're at least a decade and a half behind the times roger. This ain't the 90's any more. Conservatives are turning on the Police State too, and the information isn't being spread by the MSM.

Anonymous ENthePeasant July 05, 2014 2:35 PM  

To (Semi) Truthful Contrarian: In Rialto, California they recently made every patrol officer have a chest camera on at all times. Use of force instantly dropped 60% and complaints dropped 88%.

One of the things that most people don't know about their cops is that most of these guys have no record, no accomplishments and were good sons. These guys have basically gone through life without every being involved in it. Suddenly they find themselves on Team Cop. Heady stuff, and when hookers offer them free blow jobs they immediately think it's cuz they're so wonderful. Rubes and dullards, and a smart cop isn't going to be highly thought of by his brother officers.

Anonymous roger u July 05, 2014 2:55 PM  

Mr Stubby,
If there's a good cop there to stop a bad cop, then there will be no inflammatory video for the media to show. So, yeah, there wouldn't be a good cop to interfere with the injustices you see on the videos.

For the record, some people need to get the crap beaten out of them.

My chief complaint is that video is a few seconds of a cop reacting violently. It does not show the lead up and is obviously designed to make you have the knee jerk "cops are bad, mkay" response. Its a purely emotional ploy to generate hits for the website.

Jack Amok,
I, too, am against the police state, but is this a manifestation of the police state? Something happened to trigger a violent response from a cop, what was it? Why was she walking quickly away from him? What was she carrying? Who was she? "A barefoot woman described as harmless" by who? How do they know her? Why should I trust their objectivity? Why was the cop there? Why drew his attention to her?

Anonymous dUg July 05, 2014 2:56 PM  

If I may add further. I was reading something this past week quite relevant to our very present. It pretty much describes/prescribes what is going to happen. Glimpses from the 16th century:

"It cannot be denied that buying and selling are necessary. They cannot be dispensed with, and can be practiced in a Christian manner, especially when the commodities serve a necessary and honorable purpose. For even the patriarchs bought and sold cattle, wool, grain, butter, milk, and other goods in this way. These are gifts of God, which he bestows out of the earth and distributes among mankind...

...But of this it is not my present purpose to write, for I expect that, like overdressing and overeating, it will have to stop of itself when we have no more money. Until then, neither writing nor teaching will do any good. We must first feel the pinch of want and poverty.

This man brought us the Reformation. In response, Trent gave us the Counter-Reformation. As a belated gift for our 4th of July celebrations, a voice from the 18th century:

"It is my opinion that if the liberties of this country -- the United States of America -- are destroyed, it will be by the subtlety of the Roman Catholic Jesuit priests, for they are the most crafty, dangerous enemies to civil and religious liberty. They have instigated MOST of the wars of Europe." [and later MOST, if not ALL, of the wars of this world]
-- Marie-Joseph Paul Yves Roch Gilbert du Motier de La Fayette, Marquis de La Fayette, Major General in the Continental Army under George Washington, hero of the American Revolution. As recorded by James L. Chapman, "Americanism versus Romanism" (1856) [additions mine]

And, hey! Lookie here. Uncle Gordy again, speaking to us from the 21st century..

"You have to understand this about the Vatican, it has run the most powerful intelligence organization in the world and has done so for centuries. The Vatican archives contain so much more than some quite terrifying secrets, and there are enough of those."
-- Gordon Duff, Senior Editor, Veterans Today, from "Intel Dump, Wednesday February 13, 2012 – Updated"

and, some other voices from the past.. [1]

Yep, I do believe we need to get our Sigtacs all ready and in order ...



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[1] The only caveat here in this presentation, is on OBL. No, he wasn't a terrorist working for Rome

Anonymous ENthePeasant July 05, 2014 3:22 PM  

"It does not show the lead up and is obviously designed to make you have the knee jerk "cops are bad, mkay" response. Its a purely emotional ploy to generate hits for the website.

OK Roger, are you saying he had a good reason to do that too her? If so tell me what that might be? That's a direct question so asked under rules of the blog.

He's out of control. A few days ago a cop lost his job for knocking over a kid in a wheel chair. In both of these cases I assume the officers might have felt in fear of their lives?

Wheelchair beat down. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je-BEt_eEmg

Is there anything more heroic than watching a fat cakeeater, and his fat cake eater buddies, telling a para he's going to jail. I must say this guy was taken off the street, reduced to patrolmen and given a desk job which means he's being retired early. Nothing says "cops are awesome" like a beat down of a paraplegic.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 05, 2014 3:22 PM  

I, too, am against the police state, but is this a manifestation of the police state? Something happened to trigger a violent response from a cop, what was it?

I don't really care what it was. He failed to control his temper. He over-reacted to whatever the provocation was. He's unfit for his job. Assuming, that is, that you don't think beating the crap out of people should be part of the job description.

Beating the crap out of people who deserve it in the judgment of the person beating the crap out of them isn't what our justice system is for. We don't need to pay anyone to do that or grant them special powers. We can have that level of justice through vigilantism for free if that's what we want.

Anonymous Ain July 05, 2014 3:37 PM  

dh "if many LEOs have to fire they do not stop until the target ceases *all* movement.

This is not true. LEO's are trained to yell "STOP RESISTING" as they beat the living crap out of you, or alternatively, "WHATS IN YOUR HANDS, PUT YOUR HANDS UP" as they open fire."

They aren't mutually exclusive.

Anonymous Michael July 05, 2014 3:48 PM  

dUg, what a way to digress from the subject. The RCC can trace its lineage directly to St. Peter. Show me all these wars which the Church was supposedly responsible for. *tick tock* BTW, have you considered that maybe, just maybe, those people are lying? Your post smacks of masonic propaganda or something of the sort.

Anonymous Laz July 05, 2014 3:57 PM  

"I don't really care what it was. He failed to control his temper. He over-reacted to whatever the provocation was. He's unfit for his job."

Agree. They carry a gun and ANY loss of control like this makes them unfit.

"Assuming, that is, that you don't think beating the crap out of people should be part of the job description."

Unfortunately, there's a growing tendency among the young ones to join just to beat heads.

Anonymous roger u July 05, 2014 4:06 PM  

ENthepeasant
"OK Roger, are you saying he had a good reason to do that too her? If so tell me what that might be? That's a direct question so asked under rules of the blog. "

That's my point, we aren't told what started it. In the wheelchair case, the good cops retired a bad cop, what's the problem? Are you demanding an eye for an eye? For the record, I don't really have a problem with that.

Jack Amok
"He over-reacted to whatever the provocation was. "

What was the provocation? What would have been the proper response to that provocation?

Anonymous dh July 05, 2014 4:38 PM  

What was the provocation? What would have been the proper response to that provocation?

The point is the cops reaction is unjustifiable in any circumstance.

Anonymous roger u July 05, 2014 4:48 PM  

What would be a justifiable response?

Anonymous ENthePeasant July 05, 2014 5:01 PM  

"That's my point, we aren't told what started it. In the wheelchair case, the good cops retired a bad cop, what's the problem?"

Yep, DH tells it. There's no justification, and that's why saying, "That's the point", falls short. The point is under no circumstances are cops allowed to use disproportionate force cuz they want to. This guy's life isn't threatened. As for the other cop, he's being allowed to work until he retires. God help any civilian who does that. He should have been sent packing without any pension... which is being protected.

Anonymous ENthePeasant July 05, 2014 5:05 PM  

You take her to the ground and handcuff her. Hitting a defenseless woman 15 times in the head is uncalled for. If nothing else hold her until back up arrives.

And on the Wheelchair video the truth wins out. You can clearly hear his cop buddies saying, "you're going to jail". A bunch of bad ass cake eaters pushing over a para. So it's not just the guy who did the pushing, the attitudes of the others justify letting those para thrashing fat asses go also.

Anonymous roger u July 05, 2014 5:13 PM  

He did take her to the ground, but it took two officers to handcuff her even after he hit her. What should he do, let her go if he can't gently restrain her? I suppose he could have twisted her arm, but then you'd be just as outraged if she resisted and he broke it.

Anonymous DT July 05, 2014 5:20 PM  

This is not going to stop until LEOs are swiftly and harshly punished for their crimes.

"Swift" and "harsh" does not mean a cozy desk job while IA investigates just long enough for the public to forget. Nor does it mean the LEO keeps his job while the taxpayer pays off the victim to the tune of millions.

Was it 15 strikes against this woman? I'll give the LEO the benefit of the doubt and assume she deserved the take down and the first strike. So that's 14 unwarranted strikes. 14 months in prison in the general population sounds good to me. (Note: if our prisons are being run correctly that condition should not be a problem. If our prisons are hell holes where the weak are tortured, raped, and killed while the guards look the other way then maybe knowing a few of their own are going there will cause the state to wake up and fix it.)

If she sues and wins? Asset forfeiture of all the LEO's assets...home, pension, bank accounts...to help pay damages.

Let him rot in a jail cell while his wife and kids have to move back to his mother in law's house, or maybe live on the street and see how cops "serve and protect" the homeless. Then see if any other officers decide to lose their tempers.

You wouldn't have to make examples of very many LEOs before the abusive law enforcement culture came to a screeching halt.

Anonymous frenchy July 05, 2014 5:24 PM  

@ Jon Baker:

"Doesn't pass the smell test. He's a man, she's a female and a vibrant to boot. She hit him, he gets to pummel her into oblivion, regardless if he is a cop. It's about male showmanship and dominance. Females who hit men will get it twice as hard, regardless of occupation."

Sorry, but as a police officer, you don't get to play by those rules. Those rules may work as a private citizen (and in reality they don't) at a club, but not as a govt employee, and definitely not if you are a contractor of some sort. You have to maintain the moral high ground. Your actions will go before a judge and a jury.

In that line of work, the level of force needs to be commiserate with the amount used.

It's not about showmanship and dominance, it's about maturity and being able to say, "Your Honor, she hit me and all I did was try to restrain her. She hit me several more times and I was finally able to cuff her."

She'll look like an ass, you'll look like a hero. She goes to jail, instead of you being sued. Any future complaints against you with have to compete against your reputation as being someone who escalates force only as needed.

Police officers are to be held to a higher standard, and that sometimes means taking a few blows (just like riot police). At no point should an officer take an action against him as personal, even if it is. He must maintain the moral high ground and that means exercising restraint. After all, whatever he does represents the govt.

And as Bill Lind says, "In the battle of David versus Goliath, no one cheers for Goliath."

Anonymous Musashi July 05, 2014 6:32 PM  

It took him 15 punches to "subdue" her? She wasn't knocked out either.

That cop hits like a pussy....no shock there.

Blogger thimscool July 05, 2014 7:37 PM  

Heh. Dread accused of Masonic propaganda on an NWA thread... Evidently typing monkeys can eventually produce every permutation.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 05, 2014 8:16 PM  

He did take her to the ground, but it took two officers to handcuff her even after he hit her. What should he do?

Maybe he should be competent enough to restrain her until he can handcuff her.

I suppose he could have twisted her arm, but then you'd be just as outraged if she resisted and he broke it.

No, you're wrong about that. If he was trying to restrain her and she broke her own arm trying to twist away, that would be her fault. See, this is the sort of judgment normal people can and do make all the time, and the minimum we should expect from guys we give guns and badges to. The fact you, and this particular CHiP, and an increasing percentage of cops, aren't able to make those sort of reasoned judgments, is a massive part of the problem.

Anonymous T July 05, 2014 8:33 PM  

You think regular people are going to assault a police officer in order to help a stranger? Will you share whatever it is you're smoking?

Not all of us carry the balls Tupac had, I suppose.

Blogger Chris Mallory July 05, 2014 8:46 PM  

"This is not true. LEO's are trained to yell "STOP RESISTING" as they beat the living crap out of you, or alternatively, "WHATS IN YOUR HANDS, PUT YOUR HANDS UP" as they open fire."

And then you have the fun times when two or more cops yell contradictory and mutually exclusive orders.

"Put your hands up!" , "Down on the ground" , "Walk backwards towards me!" All at the same time. Then one cops empties his magazine because his authority isn't being respected and all the pigs on scene unload their weapons in random directions as well.

Anonymous roger u July 05, 2014 9:38 PM  

The cop haters may turn out to be correct, but I'm reserving judgement until I get the whole story.

Anonymous p-dawg July 06, 2014 12:32 AM  

@T: Please note that I said "regular people". It takes a very, very special kind of person to disregard their own future in order to assist a stranger. I'm not saying they don't exist - I'm just saying that it's incredibly unlikely one was there.

Anonymous bw July 06, 2014 1:53 AM  

What would be a justifiable response?

Resignation of Net Consumer, Parasitic, govt worker status.

Anonymous bw July 06, 2014 1:55 AM  

And + 10 for Poncharello reference thread.

Anonymous Jack, I'm Mocking You July 06, 2014 9:21 AM  

"The fact you, and this particular CHiP, and an increasing percentage of cops, aren't able to make those sort of reasoned judgments, is a massive part of the problem."

What is that percentage of cops who engage in this conduct? Please cite your source.

Anonymous Mr. Stubby July 06, 2014 2:36 PM  

roger u says: I, too, am against the police state, but is this a manifestation of the police state? Something happened to trigger a violent response from a cop, what was it?

The first and only time that a gal triggered this kind of response from me, is when she pulled a knife on me. And even then, all it took was one punch.

So what triggered the cop response to plummet her with multiple punches to the face? Well, I see a cop talking to someone in a truck. I see a cop walk briskly towards the woman as she has her back towards him and walking away. I see the cop immediately commit violence upon this woman as he attacks her from behind. I see her react (I know that reaction getting attacked from behind). She is probably saying, "WTF! What are you doing?" He takes her down violently and starts wailing on her because he can't control her reaction to protect herself by putting her arms curled up towards her chest and face. He is a pussy.

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