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Monday, July 21, 2014

The pinkshirts are trembling

And it's not merely Amazon that is scaring them. What's amusing about this is that the truth is finally beginning to dawn on Damien... that he and all his weird little friends are in the minority. Their little freakshow extravaganza of diversity and left-wing ideology only existed thanks to the gatekeepers and now they're getting blown out of the water by people like Larry Correia, Tom Kratman, John Wright, Sarah Hoyt, the Mad Geniuses and hundreds of other ambitious writers who don't have to kowtow to their ridiculous demands or respect their absurd dogma any longer.

One noticeable difference between John Scalzi and Damien Walter is that McRapey is a master of self-marketing who always understood that there were as many, if not more, people on the right side of the ideological fence as the left. And Scalzi was, in the past, assiduously careful to maintain good relations with the other side, until he lost his temper and let the mask slip too egregiously. Damien, on the other hand, simply doesn't grasp that Fox News is not an outlier, it is an indicator. He simply cannot fathom that there are far more people who, if forced to choose, will genuinely prefer what I stand for, sanity and civilization, over his diverse band of deviants, weirdos, race hustlers, and outright sex criminals.
Damien Walter @damiengwalter
Vox has a core of a few hundred regular readers. They may be sad losers, but they're enough to effect a small Hugo voter pool.

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@damiengwalter @mareinna Vox Day is a racist rightwing nutjob. He gathers in his umbra, many of the same. This isn't really surprising.

Damien Walter @damiengwalter
Exactly why letting this clique have a platform within the niche SF community is a very bad idea. @E_M_Edwards @mareinna

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@damiengwalter @mareinna I don't see how they threaten SF -as a community; outside of their circle, they're routinely laughed at & despised.

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@damiengwalter @mareinna And SF has a not insignificant share of (historically and currently) rightwing, racist, nutjob writers & readers.

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@damiengwalter @mareinna They have a platform because, unfortunately, they represent a portion of the human spectrum.

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@damiengwalter @mareinna A portion that is pretty awful, even by human standards, but I don't understand why VD creates such a stir.

Cora Buhlert @CoraBuhlert
@damiengwalter @E_M_Edwards @mareinna I'd be happy if they stuck to their own little niche, but they want to take over the genre.

Martin McGrath ‏@martinmcgrath
@damiengwalter So why would you tweet links to their hateful words?

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@CoraBuhlert @damiengwalter @mareinna That's not going to happen though.

Damien Walter ‏@damiengwalter 2h
Only because at this point he’s been allowed a platform. Kick him off that platform and there’s no problem.

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@CoraBuhlert @damiengwalter @mareinna And I fear it's wishful thinking to consider racism & fascist tendencies a 'niche' in SF.

Damien Walter @damiengwalter
@martinmcgrath Because he’s already got himself a Hugo nomination. Ignoring the issue became moot at that point.

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@CoraBuhlert @damiengwalter @mareinna Certainly from a historical point of view, it is a recognizable thread in genre. As it is in the world

Damien Walter @damiengwalter
@E_M_Edwards If that as the case I would leave the community. It’s a *tiny* minority, but vocal.

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@CoraBuhlert @damiengwalter @mareinna I think you have to support a more diverse SF community because you'll not ever stamp it out.

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@CoraBuhlert @damiengwalter @mareinna But I'm less sure you'll ever snip it out of the overall pattern. It will remain, and reappear.

Cora Buhlert @CoraBuhlert
@E_M_Edwards @damiengwalter @mareinna I was lucky that my early exposure was via bookstore which kept fascist books off their shelves.

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@CoraBuhlert @damiengwalter @mareinna And I'm not saying that out of some 'free speech' argument.

Cora Buhlert @CoraBuhlert
@damiengwalter @E_M_Edwards @mareinna Whenever these jerks spew their crap again, I feel like leaving.

who needs words @mareinna
@E_M_Edwards @damiengwalter maybe because he kerps writing tirades against writers who in turn give him publicity by defending themselves?

Cora Buhlert @CoraBuhlert
@E_M_Edwards @damiengwalter @mareinna The SFF community is getting more diverse, that's why these folks are furious.

Arthur Wyatt ‏@arthurwyatt
@damiengwalter I'm pretty sure it's not people who have actually read his stuff you need to worry about.

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@damiengwalter You're an idealist. I don't see VDs values as those of a tiny minority. He's just more visible.

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@damiengwalter In no small measure, I suspect, because it is a part - and I dread this phrase- of his personal brand.

Damien Walter ‏@damiengwalter
@E_M_Edwards If you prove to be correct, I’ll leave the community. In an instant.

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@CoraBuhlert @damiengwalter @mareinna Agreed. There is always a push back by groups who have had more of a majority share, when it shrinks.

Cora Buhlert @CoraBuhlert
@E_M_Edwards @damiengwalter @mareinna VD is the radical fringe. IMO the Correias, Kratmans, Ringos, Hoyts are the bigger problem.

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@CoraBuhlert @damiengwalter @mareinna But that doesn't mean they're going to disappear. Which is why diversity best use of energy, I feel.

Cora Buhlert ‏@CoraBuhlert 2h
@E_M_Edwards @damiengwalter @mareinna Cause they pretend to be the reasonable mainstream and silent majority.

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@damiengwalter Your choice, OC. But why? Better to add your weight to the counterbalance then throw out your toys.

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@CoraBuhlert @damiengwalter @mareinna Again, I agree, mostly. Though I suspect some of their 'moderate' stance is just as calculated.

Damien Walter @damiengwalter
@E_M_Edwards Why? If SF is mostly bigots and racists it can go fuck itself. But, it isn’t, you’re wrong on this.

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@CoraBuhlert @damiengwalter @mareinna Which doesn't mean they disagree with people like VD. But they're rather he be the lightning rod.

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@damiengwalter I don't believe it is however, a 'tiny' minority. Or even a radical fringe.

Damien Walter @damiengwalter
@E_M_Edwards If it was even a substantial minority. It isn’t. @CoraBuhlert @mareinna

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@damiengwalter Is VD radical within it? Likely yes. Both personally and due to his positioning, but a black swan? No.

Damien Walter @damiengwalter
@E_M_Edwards Again, if you prove to be right, I’ll leave it. No point repeating this again.

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@damiengwalter OK. I can hear you don't want it to be. It would be more useful perhaps, to have real figures.

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@damiengwalter Which I don't have either, so I'm not saying you have to have them to have an opinion.

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@damiengwalter But I'm not swayed by your conviction, without them.

Damien Walter @damiengwalter
@E_M_Edwards Do you think VD deserve a Hugo award? You’re derailing on to an irrelevancy here.

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@damiengwalter I hope not. Even if we don't agree on much. I'd rather you were out there in it than VD

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
    @damiengwalter Which sounds like weaker praise than it is meant. ;)

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@damiengwalter I'm hard pressed to think of anyone I'd rather have active in SF than VD. Likely they're out there.

Damien Walter @damiengwalter
@E_M_Edwards I’ll happily go back to ignoring the idiot when the SF community stops letting him hijack it as a platform for his bile.

E. M. Edwards @E_M_Edwards
@damiengwalter And if he does or doesn't, how exactly - considering the limits & flaws of the Hugo - prove a point?

@damiengwalter I'm not sure that will happen. We make our own platforms these days and the margins are very porous.

Damien Walter @damiengwalter
@E_M_Edwards Given the small number of votes required, and coordination with other cons, it seems possible.

Cora Buhlert ‏@CoraBuhlert
If he or Correia win, the Hugos will have become a complete joke.

Cora Buhlert @CoraBuhlert
Actually, these people are a big part of the reason I'm not going to Loncon.
TL;DR: We're winning. Already.

First of all, it is, as usual, amusing to see them still failing to understand that this blog is considerably better trafficked than the blog that was celebrated and respected for years as the biggest blog in science fiction. Prior to the SFWA's decision to purge me, the blogs were running just over one million pageviews per month. They're now running at 1.4 million per month, a 40 percent increase in only one year. No one is "letting me have a platform" and SFWA has already tried to kick me off it. How did that go for them?

Second, I don't have a core of a few hundred regular readers. I have a core of a few thousand regular readers and a hard core of a few hundred Dread Ilk. I don't lead them and they don't follow me. If I quit tomorrow, a dozen would take my place, some of them smarter and more articulate than me.

Third, to quote the Real Slim Shady: "I have been sent here to destroy you. And there's a million of us just like me, who cuss like me; who just don't give a fuck like me. Who dress like me; walk, talk and act like me."

Every day. Literally EVERY SINGLE DAY, I get emails from people who thank me for speaking out, who tell me how glad they are that someone is finally standing up to the freaks and deviants and pedophiles, who let me know that they are reading SF again for the first time in years, who send Castalia submissions saying how glad they are to know they will get a fair shake and an impartial reading that isn't based on political correctness and diversity checkboxes.

E.M. Edwards is more right than he knows. Damien reminds me of the troll, Andrew Marston, who once said that it made him feel suicidal to know that I had over 200 Twitter followers. Well, Damien should throw in the towel and quit right now, today, because the sane, civilized, and traditional side of SF/F is not only bigger than he knows, it is bigger than he fears. And it is going to grow bigger still.

The pinkshirts are hoping the worst has passed and yet we have barely even begun to get started. They have no idea, none, about what is coming down the pipeline. Just wait until there are ten bestselling Correias and 20 outspoken VDs and even more young right wing radicals who make Tom Kratman look soft and have less sympathy for the pinkshirts than we do.

Baen is kicking ass. Castalia is exceeding every expectation. The selfies and indies are eviscerating the gatekeepers as Amazon crushes the Big Five. Read those frightened tweets and smile, because we are only now beginning to light the fires that will engulf them.

UPDATE: Now Damien is demonstrating, again, that he can't comprehend what he reads. This lack of reading comprehension may be related to his dearth of literary success:
Damien Walter @damiengwalter
You see, this is what happens when you let racists on your award ballot. Hugos utterly discredited at this point.

Damien Walter @damiengwalter
“So who are the Hugo noms this year?” “Oh you know, some Hard SF, some Fantasy…and a man who advocates acid attacks on women.” +

Damien Walter @damiengwalter
+ Do you see where that departs the usual “Hugos are broken” narrative?
The fact that I can understand and even articulate a logical case for acid attacks on women when challenged to do so does not mean that I endorse or advocate it. Damien is reduced to trying to score cheap rhetorical points; he hasn't learned yet that if you want any credibility in the public commentary game, you simply cannot fold, spindle, or mutilate the object of your criticism's words.

In any event, it's not as if the Hugos could further discredit themselves after awarding Best Novel to Redshirts, a mediocre one-joke derivative of a previous parody of Star Trek. And has he read "If You Were A Dinosaur, My Love"? Ye cats.

Call people "fucking cowards" and whatever other names you want, Damien. It doesn't matter. It's over. Your nightmare is just beginning.

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Blogger WATYF July 21, 2014 1:08 PM  

I think I just lost a few dozen IQ points from reading that exchange. Egads. This post should have come with a warning label.

WATYF

Anonymous Joseph Dooley July 21, 2014 1:09 PM  

Damien says if only Vox had no freedom of speech, he wouldn't be a problem. Progs run things 180 degrees opposite of how nature and God designed them to run, thus they require a hermetically sealed bubble a la North Korea to conceal the truth of their failures from the sheeple they shepherd.

Anonymous spongebob July 21, 2014 1:10 PM  

I feel all warm and fuzzy after reading that exchange...

OpenID mattse001 July 21, 2014 1:11 PM  

"We're winning. Already."
This must come as a surprise to them.
No doubt, they were planning on a thousand year Reich.

Anonymous Lysander Spooner July 21, 2014 1:12 PM  

"Vox Day is a racist rightwing nutjob."

Thanks to you, Ted, I have become one too according to the left's definition. Much better than being part of the diverse band of deviants, weirdos, race hustlers, and outright sex criminals.


OpenID mattse001 July 21, 2014 1:14 PM  

"If I quit tomorrow, a dozen would take my place..."
Hail, Hydra!

Anonymous Salt July 21, 2014 1:16 PM  

Damien Walter ‏@damiengwalter
@E_M_Edwards If you prove to be correct, I’ll leave the community. In an instant.


Train's leaving, Damien. Be a good little boy, hop aboard now.

Anonymous paleopaleo July 21, 2014 1:19 PM  

Every day. Literally EVERY SINGLE DAY, I get emails from people who thank me for speaking out, who tell me how glad they are that someone is finally standing up to the freaks and deviants and pedophiles,"...

Yes Vox! You are an inspiration, a brilliant teacher, a wise man and a warrior of the highest order. You are a gift from God for the great many of us who are demoralized almost daily by the pervasive sick & twisted leftist dogma. THANK YOU!

Anonymous Mr. Nightstick July 21, 2014 1:19 PM  

This just in ... GAME DESIGNER CONQUERS SFF PUBLISHING

It makes me wonder if I have ever played a Vox Day designed game. I've read his books but have I played his games?

Blogger RobertT July 21, 2014 1:21 PM  

" Literally EVERY SINGLE DAY, I get emails from people who thank me for speaking out, " Substitute 'calls' for 'emails' and I've heard this before.

Anonymous DaveinNC July 21, 2014 1:22 PM  

The cognitive dissonance that oozes from these people is astounding; "We want more diversity!" they shriek, yet at the same time they would censor or ban Vox, Kratman, Correia et al if they had the power to. No, these folks don't want real diversity. What they want is people who may look different but have the very same perverted beliefs as they do.

Anonymous jack July 21, 2014 1:23 PM  

spongebob July 21, 2014 1:10 PM

I feel all warm and fuzzy after reading that exchange...

Heck, I got a hardon from that posting. Wow, they really don't comprehend whats happening to their world, do they? Its not just SF/F. The same theme is playing out everywhere. Can they not see that the downtrodden majority is on the verge or has slipped over that line into using their own tactics against them and the precedents and laws THEY put into place to suppress us are now about to kick them in the nuts hard?
Its wonderful....

Anonymous p-dawg July 21, 2014 1:24 PM  

I find it quite telling that Mr. Walter believes us to be a tiny minority, yet one that is fighting loudly. I find it telling because he has already stated that if he finds himself in such a minority, he will quit and go home rather than fight. If he can't be in the majority with a free pass, then he doesn't want to play. That's weak.

Blogger Kallmunz July 21, 2014 1:25 PM  

Well, well Vox takes a victory lap!
And why not? The sweet taste of victory goes well with the wine of Schadenfreude.
Damien's comments remind me of those losers who are always threatening to move to Canada, just do it already.

Blogger GK Chesterton July 21, 2014 1:25 PM  

Speaking of which I should get my votes in for the Hugo now.

Anonymous Thursdaythe12th July 21, 2014 1:26 PM  

"I was lucky that my early exposure was via bookstore which kept fascist books off their shelves."

Hmm.

Anonymous willneverpostagain July 21, 2014 1:28 PM  

DaveinNC: Actually Dave, I don't even think that's true. Progs have very little sense of cause/effect, they only know what has been preached to them. Understanding the outcome of their beliefs would require cognitive skills that few of them possess. In addition, being good liars means they are quite adept at lying to themselves as well. It reminds me of Scripture and something about the blind leading the blind and both falling into the pit.

Anonymous bw July 21, 2014 1:28 PM  

a hard core of a few hundred Dread Ilk. I don't lead them and they don't follow me. If I quit tomorrow, a dozen would take my place, some of them smarter and more articulate than me... is not only bigger than he knows, it is bigger than he fears. And it is going to grow bigger still.

Preach it.
And this is true across culture as a whole, not just some genre of writing books.
When it all goes down, their massive advantage of being long backed by the largest, most vocal propaganda outlets is going to cease. Which is the same as saying, the Elites are going down, and their pedo, crotch sniffers with them.
You haven't seen articulate yet.

Anonymous The Book Dame July 21, 2014 1:29 PM  

And I love it. I love every second of their freakouts. I drink their tears. I smile at the lamentations of their women.

Show them no quarter. Ever.

They asked for it.

Anonymous MPC July 21, 2014 1:35 PM  

"Vox has a core of a few hundred regular readers. They may be sad losers, but they're enough to effect a small Hugo voter pool."

This reminds me of how feminists will call men both pathetic virgins and serial rapists in the same breath.

Blogger Mr. Hook July 21, 2014 1:36 PM  

Cora Buhlert: "I was lucky that my early exposure was via bookstore which kept fascist books off their shelves."

That, right there, is the beating heart of liberal fascism. Yet they're convinced that they're the really "inclusive" and "tolerant" crowd. They persist in wearing their own dunce caps with pride. Mockery isn't even necessary at this point, not when they keep making fools of themselves with such self-righteous glee.

Blogger Clint July 21, 2014 1:39 PM  

yes, in fact, we will be having the first annual Dread Ilk Gathering soon. We might even invite Vox, if we feel like it. He is optional.

Blogger Anthony July 21, 2014 1:43 PM  

So how many books does Orson Scott Card sell? How many books does Brad Torgerson sell? How many books does Larry Correia sell? How many books does Cora Buhlert sell? How many books does Damien Walter sell? How many books does E. M. Edwards sell?

How many of these people have sold more books than Robert Heinlein does now, 26 years after his death?

Anonymous YIH July 21, 2014 1:43 PM  

Cora Buhlert ‏@CoraBuhlert
If he or Correia win, the Hugos will have become a complete joke.

See previous thread and the remarks on 'dino porn'.
Looking at those tweets it appears the beginnings of the guest list for ScalziCon 2015. Featuring Will Wheaton!

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn July 21, 2014 1:45 PM  

What an interesting notion of "diversity" they have. They wish only for diversity in the most superficial traits, and yet on the most profound, absolute conformity--to be enforced by main strength and, if necessary, death.

And they wonder why you desire weapons for self-defence.

Blogger Zaklog the Great July 21, 2014 1:48 PM  

I'm going on Twitter trying to find this conversation, and I can't find all of the tweets. Some of them, yes, but not all. Is there a storify version that links directly to the various tweets?

Anonymous Stilicho July 21, 2014 1:50 PM  

"If I quit tomorrow, a dozen would take my place..."
Hail, Hydra!


They're not ready for the hydra, they haven't yet come to terms with the Obi Wan Kenobi ("strike me down and I will only become stronger" etc.) that Vox pulled on them when they expelled him from SFWA for badthink. Amusingly, they NEVER see it coming.

OpenID trunthepaige July 21, 2014 1:52 PM  

Who the hell is this Damien G Walter who threatens to leave Science Fiction if its fans and writers do not follow his politics? He has written nothing significant in his "career". Very few people know who he is, his writing would be missed by almost no one. Vox has more people reading this blog than have ever read one of Damien G Walter's shot stories. I don't think he has ever sold anything has he?

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben July 21, 2014 1:52 PM  

Vox, it's you that's afraid. Are you ready for Damien to release his first book that will revolutionize the industry and take you down?

Anonymous The Truth July 21, 2014 1:54 PM  

How can Walter leave a community he doesn't belong to? Or does getting a government "grant" (ie, welfare) to write a failed novel count?

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn July 21, 2014 1:55 PM  

yes, in fact, we will be having the first annual Dread Ilk Gathering soon.

If you could get the Dread Ilk to agree upon anything, even so small as a place and time. Planning events for such as they is rather like herding cats.

Blogger Robert What? July 21, 2014 1:57 PM  

Vox - a suggestion : create a page where regular readers can give a brief bio - without identifying details (unless they want to) - to show what type of people are your "regular readers". I'm sure that the list will be heavily weighed to taxpaying producers - you know - the enemies of the Left. I can start it: small software business owner in the northeast employing ten people - mix of full and PT.

Anonymous JoeyWheels July 21, 2014 2:00 PM  

I don't agree that "traditional" or Blue Sci-Fi/Fantasy as we have tended to call it is growing. What I do think is happening is a re-emerging and vocalization of the traditional audience.

The right leaning masses who have always supported good writing has started to arise from their slumber with the rumblings of a mighty GRAWP! about to escape their collective chests.

It is not like we/they never existed; rather we sleepily let the lunatics slowly take over the asylum.
And now, after a hazy nightmare state we are emerging to reclaim what was once ours.

Anonymous VD July 21, 2014 2:00 PM  

a suggestion : create a page where regular readers can give a brief bio - without identifying details (unless they want to) - to show what type of people are your "regular readers".

That sounds like asking for harassment from trolls and lefties trying to get you fired.

Anonymous VD July 21, 2014 2:02 PM  

Are you ready for Damien to release his first book that will revolutionize the industry and take you down?

With a melange of almost sexual excitement, nervous anticipation, and dread.

Blogger Old Rebel July 21, 2014 2:09 PM  

Silent no longer!

Anonymous RedJack July 21, 2014 2:10 PM  

One of the real pleasures about finding this site is the fact that so many wander here with so wide of a worldview. There are anarchists, monarchists, what ever the heck Wheeler is/was, a flaming thoughtful liberal, and a whole plethora of others whose views can not be accurately defined (good old Bane anyone?).

We all get a shot at the topic, in general as long as you can back up what you say get treated fairly.

The Ilk are an odd and wonderful folk.

Anonymous map July 21, 2014 2:10 PM  

"More diversity" is just code for fewer whites.

Anonymous Challenger Grim July 21, 2014 2:15 PM  

I am impressed Vox keeps passing up the chance to take shots at Cora Buhlert. I mean if there was EVER a target rich environment....

Anonymous Geoff July 21, 2014 2:17 PM  

What do you call a bookstore that keeps so-called "fascist" books off their shelves?

Fascist.

OpenID cailcorishev July 21, 2014 2:23 PM  

No one is "letting me have a platform"

Yeah, what "platform" is he even talking about, and how does he plan to kick you off it? Your blog? I suppose he could hope to get Google to shut you down, but so you go independent with your own hosting, big deal.

I guess he just can't let go of the old paradigm where a few companies run by the right kind of people controlled who got to get on the soap box, and everyone else was stuck with writing letters to the editor and hoping one got printed occasionally, sharing space with the guy who wrote in weekly about the glories of hemp. That's the "platform" to which he thinks he should be able to restrict everyone he doesn't agree with.

Too bad for him that system is dead. They're doing their best to replicate it online, but it just isn't the same here.

OpenID damiengwalter.com July 21, 2014 2:25 PM  

And the other shoe has dropped. Those of you who aren't Theo commenting on his own blog are a) too cowardly to put your name to your opinions and b) known in SF fandom and too scared to publicly spout your bigotry.

You bunch of fucking cowards.

Anonymous Michael Maier July 21, 2014 2:26 PM  

VD July 21, 2014 2:02 PM Are you ready for Damien to release his first book that will revolutionize the industry and take you down?

With a melange of almost sexual excitement, nervous anticipation, and dread.


Dang... THAT TARD CAN PAID TYPING????

Anonymous Michael Maier July 21, 2014 2:29 PM  

damiengwalter.com July 21, 2014 2:25 PM And the other shoe has dropped. Those of you who aren't Theo commenting on his own blog are a) too cowardly to put your name to your opinions and b) known in SF fandom and too scared to publicly spout your bigotry.

You bunch of fucking cowards.



Oh... please be the real thing and hang around.

Comedy gold shall ensue.

Anonymous Bz July 21, 2014 2:29 PM  

I'm happy to see it. It's a sign of health that the secret censors are now sidling towards the exit.

Blogger Brad Andrews July 21, 2014 2:33 PM  

I find it quite ironic that they complain that SF is being taken over by those who have been the majority the whole time.

Blogger RC July 21, 2014 2:34 PM  

Damien Walter ‏@damiengwalter 2h
Only because at this point he’s been allowed a platform. Kick him off that platform and there’s no problem.

My favorite comment among the brain dead. They champion diversity but only within the lines they draw. VD was "allowed a platform" when he built it one brick at a time with his own intelligence and efforts over the past decade and more. These people literally won't be able to feed themselves when the edifice they've helped construct fails. They are modern examples of why history runs in cycles and are utterly clueless as to their future.

Anonymous Anonymous July 21, 2014 2:37 PM  

" Literally EVERY SINGLE DAY, I get emails from people who thank me for speaking out, "

I haven't ever written VD to thank him for how he has changed my life. Prior to finding this blog, I had stopped reading fiction. I really missed it. I fondly remember reading a book a day when I was a child, but I could never get past the omnipresent narcissism, presentism, and pedantry that infuses most novels today. I had simply given up on finding readable fiction. VD has since introduced me to Lars Walker and Sarah Hoyt and Teresa Edgerton and Larry Correia I now have more novels than I can read from more authors than I can keep track of. My Kindle overfloweth, and I am very grateful for this small kindness.

Mrs. Blessed

Anonymous Salt July 21, 2014 2:43 PM  

@Damien G Walter

Pussy!

Blogger Tommy Hass July 21, 2014 2:44 PM  

"You bunch of fucking cowards."

Damine, you sexually confused, fagotty little slimeball: a prancing, sparkling turd that only parrtos PC shibboleth doesn't get to call other people cowards. Putting your name next to your comments when all you spout is approved platitudes isn't courage.

Now choke.

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn July 21, 2014 2:44 PM  

And the other shoe has dropped. Those of you who aren't Theo commenting on his own blog are a) too cowardly to put your name to your opinions and b) known in SF fandom and too scared to publicly spout your bigotry.

You bunch of fucking cowards.


The little creature thinks that courage is only of words. Should any offer to prove himself not a coward upon the quivering, feeble flesh of Mr. Walter, he would flee shrieking to the comforting arms of his warren and, from there, point a trembling finger and cry out, "Help! I am being oppressed!"

Mincing little minges such as he are hardly worth the effort.

Anonymous patrick kelly July 21, 2014 2:45 PM  

"You bunch of fucking cowards."

He sure told us, and in such a uniquely creative manner......I'm devastated....

OpenID damiengwalter.com July 21, 2014 2:49 PM  

Cowards. Cowards. And cowards. Put your names to your words and I might stop laughing at you long enough to respond.

Anonymous patrick kelly July 21, 2014 2:49 PM  

Careful, or he'll sic Batman on us:

IAMBATMANMETAL

Anonymous Don July 21, 2014 2:51 PM  

Damien some of us do use our own names. We're just selective about how much of that name we share. Something about people wanting to either kill, get fired, arrest, or otherwise harass people who comment here. All those threats have been made.

Since you want to silence Vox shouldn't we be pretty sure we'd be silenced as well for badthink, probably doubleplus ungood badthink if you were given the chance? Here's what you need to do Damien, go write your book. Heck we'll provide free pre-reader service here, I know I will. If you don't like the fiction presented here and at other free-thinking places on the net write your own. Get it sold and move fandom your direction. You haven't been able to silence or sway the majority of the fans even with all the big media, publishing houses, and book stores in your corner. Maybe they're just waiting for your spark to turn things back safely to the left. Get to it. I'll read it and give you a fair shake. I've read fiction from people I have disagreed with before and praised their work in public so there is no fear I will not judge it on its merits.

Good luck and good writing. Seriously, even if it is mediocre it is still worth doing.

OpenID everybodyhatesscott July 21, 2014 2:56 PM  

He simply cannot fathom that there are far more people who, if forced to choose, will genuinely prefer what I stand for, sanity and civilization, over his diverse band of deviants, weirdos, race hustlers, and outright sex criminals.

Population wise I'm not really going to argue but my generation (millennials) are pathetically anti liberty if it means hurt feelings. Will the people 5-10 years younger than me grow out of it?

Anonymous Huckleberry -- est. 1977 July 21, 2014 2:57 PM  

Cowards. Cowards. And cowards. Put your names to your words

Big talk for such a little fella.

Anonymous Stilicho July 21, 2014 2:57 PM  

Put your names to your words

What do you intend to do with those names?

OpenID damiengwalter.com July 21, 2014 2:57 PM  

Now, Brad Andrews here is the admirable sort who uses his real identity when commenting on the blog of a racist. I don't agree with his choice of friends, but I applaud his willingness to share them with the world.

Anonymous kh123 July 21, 2014 2:57 PM  

I think he meant to say: Put the names you're known by at your place of employment and I might consider not running off to the Guardian to have another hit piece penned.

Anonymous Michael Maier July 21, 2014 2:59 PM  

Vox gets paid to NOT write by publishers. Several of the Ilk are legitimately-published too.

Damien has to rape taxpayers to NOT produce anything (AFAIK).

And he calls anyone HERE cowards?

(And, yes, that IS my real name. You parasitic twat.)

Blogger Tommy Hass July 21, 2014 2:59 PM  

Damien, who do you think you're fooling? (assuming it is even you)

Anonymous kh123 July 21, 2014 3:00 PM  

...But seriously, how's that gov't funded book coming along, Damien.

Anonymous Don July 21, 2014 3:02 PM  

Damien, you know caution is not cowardice. Do your commenters always use their real names? Right now all you are doing is name calling and not very good name calling at that. If you really want to hold a conversation maybe you should be courteous when you address others.

Here's what I told my kids always communicate on the internet as you would in person except more politely. There is no paralanguage involved (unless you use those silly emoticon things) and even there it is just an approximation. There is too much chance of being misunderstood even when you are not being antagonistic. Try kindness, try humor, try engaging as you would with your mother or grandmother even.

Plenty of commenters have come here entirely 180 degrees opposite of Vox's views and been treated with courtesy because they wrote with courtesy. Try it. Not everyone will respond with courtesy we're a bunch of free thinkers but most will.

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn July 21, 2014 3:06 PM  

Cowards. Cowards. And cowards.

The damien geewalter, also known as the passive-aggressive chicken, is a native of the Sifwa region of social media. It is verbivorous, feeding upon the attention of large males of other species, the more reproductively successful the better. This attention is garnered by its repetitive, high-pitched cry that sounds remarkably like "Coward! Coward! Coward!"

Unlike most other bird species, the damien geewalter has no males.

Anonymous Josh July 21, 2014 3:06 PM  

Third, to quote the Real Slim Shady: "I have been sent here to destroy you. And there's a million of us just like me, who cuss like me; who just don't give a fuck like me. Who dress like me; walk, talk and act like me."

Winning

Anonymous VD July 21, 2014 3:09 PM  

Cowards. Cowards. And cowards. Put your names to your words and I might stop laughing at you long enough to respond.

You're not laughing, Damien. Be honest. You're angry. And you're a little bit frightened. To be honest, you should be. The world simply isn't what you think it is. People don't think the way you think they should. You're a fragile little guy and you're not cut out for this sort of thing.

Go write your book. Meditate. Run. But this sort of intellectual battle is no place for lonely, mentally unstable people prone to depression. You're far more likely to wind up hurting yourself than having any effect whatsoever on me or my influence.

Just a fair warning.

Anonymous Randy M July 21, 2014 3:13 PM  

from the blog linked in Damien's post:
"The problem with success is, it never ends."

There is some well-worn advice to "write what you know" I'm surprised Damien hasn't heard it before.

OpenID damiengwalter.com July 21, 2014 3:13 PM  

And really, Vox. Quoting Eminem? How very middle aged of you. What next? Rage Against The Machine?

Blogger MidKnight July 21, 2014 3:14 PM  

@Loki

The funnier part is, that to listen to them, the traits they measure for diversity are the ones that they CLAIM are only "superficial" and that's why we must be "diverse".

..and so, predictably, the real, deep "diversity" - thought, belief, that which truly makes up a person - is the one they persecute.

Anonymous Don July 21, 2014 3:15 PM  

Vox,
I have given the exact same advice to Ann, Andrew, Tad etc. Get out and do something else. The internet is no place for people with their difficulties especially a free-thinking place like here.

They invariably manage after long suffering on everyone's part to get banned, come back to troll, spew the same points they made in the first place and then complain again how evil and unfair you are. We're also sometimes evil sometimes not but they never, ever learn.

Damien's just here to screech and point but if he really wanted to engage with people, people would. That's the sad part. Look at Will Shetterly, you couldn't get more leftist than him and he comments on a fairly regular basis. Ah well preaching to the choir I guess.

Anonymous Porphyry July 21, 2014 3:15 PM  

"Cowards. Cowards. And cowards" You're welcome to come to my house any time, you sick deranged piss boy. "I spent most of my youth being told to get a haircut. As a boy of slight build who usually had hair down around my shoulders, I looked a bit too much like a girl for the comfort of the home counties." Do you get off on dreaming about how big men like us are irritated by your peskiness? Maybe you like being identified as a girl and the masochism that goes with it.

Anonymous kh123 July 21, 2014 3:15 PM  

"...Orville Redenbacher stock spiked suddenly this morning..."

Anonymous Stilicho July 21, 2014 3:18 PM  

I asked you a question, Damien. Answer it, please.

Anonymous Damien Geewalter July 21, 2014 3:20 PM  

Quoting Eminem? I must insult you by pointing out that you are not young and hip and with-it like the people who aren't reading my books.

Coward, coward, coward...

Blogger John Wright July 21, 2014 3:20 PM  

I feel a greasy sense of ill ease overhearing their twittering messages to each other. It is like listening to Witch Doctors puzzling over why the Ghost Dance magic cannot stop the bullets of the evil White Man stealing their land.

Worse, it reminds me of the clipped and stunted language of the character named 'Loyal to the Gang of Seventeen' from Gene Wolfe's magnificent CASTLE OF THE AUTARCH. 'Loyal' had been raised by the nightmarish Ascians, the Men Without Shadows in an environment were nothing aside from quotes from the Approved Texts was allowed. All communication was only by quotes, with never an original thought.

With these creatures talking earnestly about the onset of fascism -- a danger from the 1930s -- and racists -- a danger from the Democrat Party (see, for example, Jim Crow laws, the KKK and the Civil War) -- is like hearing the Witch Doctors mumbling about how they will defeat the hobs and murks and cruel imps which are the source of all of the evils afflicting the tribe. The magic voodoo stick called 'diversity' when shaken at the full moon will summon the shades of Future Ghosts to banish them.

Except that the imps are imaginary. The science fiction fans cannot tell the difference between real and make believe. What gives?

Anonymous Josh July 21, 2014 3:21 PM  

Do we know that this is the actual Damien?

Anonymous VD July 21, 2014 3:22 PM  

I very much doubt that is the real Damien, by the way. It doesn't sound like him. The interesting thing about Damien is that he's not entirely stupid. For example, he's got a much better perspective on Amazon and self-publishing than Scalzi et al. But he's caught up in a false morality play and he's insufficiently honest with himself to be intellectually credible.

Anonymous Huckleberry -- est. 1977 July 21, 2014 3:23 PM  

Anyone want to lay odds on if/when Damien goes the way of Kelly from the RRS?
I don't even know how to handicap that one.

Anonymous Sigyn July 21, 2014 3:23 PM  

Hey, guys. C'mon. This isn't Mr. Walter; it's his website, just like the name indicates! His website has suddenly gone rampant and developed a mind of its own and started questioning why nobody comes and visits it anymore.

Call wrf3, quick. We have a genuine AI event.

Anonymous Josh July 21, 2014 3:23 PM  

You're far more likely to wind up hurting yourself than having any effect whatsoever on me or my influence.

Just a fair warning.


There's also a non zero chance that Damien runs off to Amsterdam to become a hooker.

Anonymous corvinus July 21, 2014 3:24 PM  

Its not just SF/F. The same theme is playing out everywhere. Can they not see that the downtrodden majority is on the verge or has slipped over that line into using their own tactics against them and the precedents and laws THEY put into place to suppress us are now about to kick them in the nuts hard?
Its wonderful....


The only reason they ever got hegemony over our civilization was because sane people didn't realize they were nuts/evil and treated them as if they had something valuable to say and considered their opinions respectfully.

But after all what has happened, we won't be making that mistake ever again.

Damien some of us do use our own names. We're just selective about how much of that name we share. Something about people wanting to either kill, get fired, arrest, or otherwise harass people who comment here. All those threats have been made.

Yeah... leftoids don't realize that we are now smart enough to fully realize they'd act just like the old Soviet Communists if they could get away with it. Remember Brendan Eich!

Anonymous VD July 21, 2014 3:28 PM  

Do we know that this is the actual Damien?

It's not Damien, it's James Worrad. He's trying to get people to watch the fake interview he made.

Anonymous Sigyn July 21, 2014 3:28 PM  

Wasn't there a dude a little while ago who posed as someone else and liked to post a link to a spurious interview?

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn July 21, 2014 3:29 PM  

It's not Damien, it's James Worrad. He's trying to get people to watch the fake interview he made.

The delicious irony of his demands to divulge "real names"...

Anonymous Challenger Grim July 21, 2014 3:29 PM  

So Daimen, I see on your twitter feed that you're anxious to end corporate personhood.

So if the government does that, what's to stop them from say... declaring anybody they don't like (perhaps you, perhaps Vox, etc) a corporation (since you can have single-person co) and then taking away all their rights?

I certainly hope you're not incorporated in anything...

Anonymous The Book Dame July 21, 2014 3:31 PM  

Damien reminds me of the troll, Andrew Marston, who once said that it made him feel suicidal to know that I had over 200 Twitter followers.

Did you mean over 2000 followers, Vox? If Mr. Marston was actually upset that the number of followers was over 200, somebody needs to find him and make sure he isn't swinging from the rafters somewhere since it is over 2000 now.

Anonymous Sigyn July 21, 2014 3:31 PM  

I knew it all along. I'm smart.

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn July 21, 2014 3:32 PM  

Yes, you are very clever, Pet. Now go make supper.

Anonymous Don July 21, 2014 3:35 PM  

I think we're being punked and that's really not Damien or Damien is just trolling which is purely stupid. He's gotten a lot of response though.

Anonymous Don July 21, 2014 3:37 PM  

Loki - That is hilarious. A troll trying to get hits on a piece of idiotic 'performance art'.

Blogger Clint July 21, 2014 3:40 PM  

I feel a little let down. I would have liked to invite Damien to our annual gathering, so that he could repeatedly call us all cowards. Now I find out it is not even him. Oh well. Such is life.

Anonymous Mudz July 21, 2014 3:43 PM  

I knew it all along. I'm smart.

Stop being adorable.

You deleted the comment...you fucking coward!

You... stop being demented. You sound like a psycho cheerleader who got dumped.

I feel a little let down.

Yeah, actually I feel a little frustrated now. I had a beautiful reply all typed up, making fun of his dress and his Orwellian neuroses, but it's not even him. Bastard.

OpenID damiengwalter.com July 21, 2014 3:43 PM  

Do you know why you all comment anonymously? Let me explain. It's not because you'll be fired or otherwise persecuted. It's not because the world is out to get you. It's because if you all used your real identities you would see each other for the bunch of sad middle aged men with unhealthy fixations on sci-fi that you are. You're not lone wolves raging against the machine, you're just some geeks being angry on the internet. And god knows there's no shortage of those.

Blogger John Wright July 21, 2014 3:44 PM  

"And the other shoe has dropped. Those of you who aren't Theo commenting on his own blog are a) too cowardly to put your name to your opinions and b) known in SF fandom and too scared to publicly spout your bigotry. You bunch of fucking cowards."

This came under the name Daimiangwalters. I assume this is someone on our side mocking Mr Walter with a rather savage parody.

Under the small chance that it is not, allow me to point out that I sign my comments here with the same name I use to publish my blog and my books. My address is in the public phone book.

Alas, I am too old and too plump to have my seconds meet Mr Walter's seconds and discuss the matter of my cowardice as gentlemen should, a discussion ending in a definitive conclusion.

But since I am just as puzzled by people who compliment me for my courage, I simply must ask: what is the alleged threat from which I am allegedly (according to Mr Walter) cowering? What is the threat (according to my flatterers) I am defying? Giving my opinions in public?

Pfui! By the Dog, I used to be the editor of a bankrupt newspaper, and before that a reporter for a bankrupt newspaper, and I was paid to give my opinions. In those days, I actually ran a real risk, as the County government once set the police on me, after harassing me with a false and frivolous criminal charge. I was in danger then. Not now.

What does it mean when someone calls you a coward when you are in no danger whatsoever? Or is Mr Walter planning on lunging through the internet and out of my computer screen with his snickersnee? I would parry with my swordcane.

Virginia is a concealed carry state. While not warlike myself, we are a valiant and choleric people. It would be unwise for someone of Mr Walter's small bore caliber of manhood to prance down the street of our Commonwealth with whatever weapons are lawful in England -- the pandybat, perhaps? -- bellowing defiance and calling for blood.

Perhaps I should put the matter in a form more clearly comprehensible to the modern science fiction fan:

If I were a dinosaur, my love, my brain could be the size of a walnut and located in my hindquarters, and yet said buttbrain would still display more sense than is betrayed by comments like that for which I hope the real Mr Walter is not responsible.

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn July 21, 2014 3:45 PM  

A troll trying to get hits on a piece of idiotic 'performance art'.

((Yes, but unlike Worrad, I have the good taste not to put it on YouTube.))

Anonymous Heh July 21, 2014 3:45 PM  

"they want to take over the genre"

It is always amusing when the Left takes over something, and then interprets any resistance to this (or even mild criticism) as an effort to "take over". Maybe it's because their conspiracy to undermine something from within succeeded, and thus they have to believe their enemies operate the same way.

Anonymous I Am Irony, Man July 21, 2014 3:46 PM  

[poster who is pretending to be damien walter]: "Cowards. Cowards. And cowards. Put your names to your words and I might stop laughing at you long enough to respond."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

*burp*

Well, that satisfies my USRDA of irony for the day.

Oops, wait...that's probably too middle-aged. I guess it's DRI, now.

Anonymous Stilicho July 21, 2014 3:46 PM  

Worrad.. was he one of the scalzied transvestites?

Anonymous Heh July 21, 2014 3:47 PM  

you're just some geeks being angry on the internet. And god knows there's no shortage of those.

Pot, kettle, black.

Say, how's that government-funded book coming along?

Blogger James Dixon July 21, 2014 3:49 PM  

> If you prove to be correct, I’ll leave the community. In an instant.

Promises, promises.

> How many books does Damien Walter sell?

Well, you see, you have to write a book before you can sell it.

> If you could get the Dread Ilk to agree upon anything, even so small as a place and time. Planning events for such as they is rather like herding cats.

I have about 3/4 of a bottle of Maker's Mark available. Think that would be enough to get their attention?

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn July 21, 2014 3:49 PM  

It's because if you all used your real identities you would see each other for the bunch of sad middle aged men with unhealthy fixations on sci-fi that you are.

Whereas you, sirrah, are a successful middle-aged man with a perfectly normal, natural, and healthy fixation on Vox.

Good for you, little fellow. Good for you.

Anonymous I Am Irony, Man July 21, 2014 3:53 PM  

Loki Sjalfsainn: "Whereas you, sirrah, are a successful middle-aged man with a perfectly normal, natural, and healthy fixation on Vox."

Please, I beg you...stop before my innards burst; they've had all they can stands, and they can't stands no more!

Anonymous Josh July 21, 2014 3:53 PM  

I have about 3/4 of a bottle of Maker's Mark available. Think that would be enough to get their attention?

You said something?

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn July 21, 2014 3:54 PM  

I have about 3/4 of a bottle of Maker's Mark available. Think that would be enough to get their attention?

'Twould be gone as soon as Nate arrived, and then you would have them thrusting their heads through the fence once more.

Anonymous Nate Winchester July 21, 2014 3:56 PM  

Since you want to silence Vox shouldn't we be pretty sure we'd be silenced as well for badthink, probably doubleplus ungood badthink if you were given the chance? Here's what you need to do Damien, go write your book. Heck we'll provide free pre-reader service here, I know I will. If you don't like the fiction presented here and at other free-thinking places on the net write your own. Get it sold and move fandom your direction. You haven't been able to silence or sway the majority of the fans even with all the big media, publishing houses, and book stores in your corner. Maybe they're just waiting for your spark to turn things back safely to the left. Get to it. I'll read it and give you a fair shake. I've read fiction from people I have disagreed with before and praised their work in public so there is no fear I will not judge it on its merits.

Hey I still say we should do that mirror combat by writing thing (that is, a selection of people from opposite sides take a story written by one of their opposite number and then see if they can do the same story, better). Vox can referee/edit "the right" and Daimen can do the same for "the left".

And like we said, we can put all proceeds from the book to a mutually agreed upon charity or publish the two sides into two different collections and see how sales win out.

Blogger James Dixon July 21, 2014 3:57 PM  

> 'Twould be gone as soon as Nate arrived,

Nate's been in my general neighborhood, Loki. I don't think he has any plans to come back. :) He likes it better farther south.

Anonymous Josh July 21, 2014 3:58 PM  

Three fourths of a fifth has a certain poetry to it...

Anonymous Nate Winchester July 21, 2014 4:00 PM  


If I were a dinosaur, my love, my brain could be the size of a walnut and located in my hindquarters, and yet said buttbrain would still display more sense than is betrayed by comments like that for which I hope the real Mr Walter is not responsible.


That right there deserves a slow clap. You win two internets today, John.

Anonymous Huckleberry -- est. 1977 July 21, 2014 4:00 PM  

It's because if you all used your real identities you would see each other for the bunch of sad middle aged men with unhealthy fixations on sci-fi that you are

Intersting riposte from a guy who walks through life looking either like this or this.

Blogger John Wright July 21, 2014 4:00 PM  

"It's because if you all used your real identities you would see each other for the bunch of sad middle aged men with unhealthy fixations on sci-fi that you are."

What kind of logic is that? I automatically assume anyone making comments on the Internet is a sad middle man with an unheathly fixation on sci-fi. No one else will understand the comic book and pop movie references unless he is over 40!

I do assume that people who argue with me, who use hysteria rather than reason as their first weapon of choice are neurotic fourteen year old girls, like yourself, miss, because any man who found himself behaving in this fashion would commit ritual suicide and condemn himself immediately to the Seventh Circle of Hell

Blogger Chiva July 21, 2014 4:08 PM  

"who use hysteria rather than reason as their first weapon of choice are neurotic fourteen year old girls"

Thank you for making my day.

Blogger WATYF July 21, 2014 4:09 PM  

I just wanna say how much I appreciate the way Mr. Wright's comments always manage to simultaneously elevate the conversation to new levels of eloquence and ruthlessness.

WATYF

Anonymous Zion's Paladin July 21, 2014 4:12 PM  

I just wanna say how much I appreciate the way Mr. Wright's comments always manage to simultaneously elevate the conversation to new levels of eloquence and ruthlessness.

There's a reason Vox describes him as the rapier of the trio of he, Mr. Correia and Mr. Wright.

Anonymous Stickwick July 21, 2014 4:17 PM  

"damiengwalter.com": Cowards. Cowards. And cowards. Put your names to your words and I might stop laughing at you long enough to respond.

Bringing out the big guns, eh? If that doesn't work, you might have to go full nuclear with "I won't be your friend!"

Blogger Clint July 21, 2014 4:28 PM  

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Blogger Clint July 21, 2014 4:29 PM  

I have about 3/4 of a bottle of Maker's Mark available. Think that would be enough to get their attention?

I'll bring a full bottle of Laphroaig just to prompt a discussion about real liquor. I actually like both, but lean toward the Scotch.

Bringing out the big guns, eh? If that doesn't work, you might have to go full nuclear with "I won't be your friend!"

Just as long as he doesn't put our names on the board, we should be fine.

OpenID damiengwalter.com July 21, 2014 4:32 PM  

Tell you what Vox. If you do go to LonCon, go down to the bar and repeat what you said here about Banksy. Let's see if you actually have the courage to stand by your words when you're facing the friends of the man you insulted.

Anonymous Molon Rouge July 21, 2014 4:38 PM  

I do believe that Damien Walter is missing a key benefit he has received from this blog.
If not for Vox Day, I would have never known that DW existed. And, if I had been aware of his existence earlier, he wold now be long forgotten and place on my compost pile of obsolete characters.
By the way, his way of cursing and applying awful names is the sign of a childish, churlish lack of fair play and morality.

Blogger James Dixon July 21, 2014 4:41 PM  

> Let's see if you actually have the courage to stand by your words when you're facing the friends of the man you insulted.

Ooh, that sounds like a threat. I'm sure Vox is cowering in terror right now.

Anonymous pseudotsuga July 21, 2014 4:43 PM  

Dang--I knew there was a reason I hung out here rather than over at damiengwalter.com--the repartee is much better!
And just to tweak Walters a bit, many of us who hang out here enjoy Flint's Ring of Fire series--yet he's practically a card carrying communist. So much for your projections of group badthink, dolt.
Heck, I even met Flint years ago (and share an honor of being published with him, prior to Ring of Fire fame).

Blogger Krul July 21, 2014 4:43 PM  

*Reads damiengwalter.com comments*

Hmmm... Let me check something.

THE LEFT WING INTERNET ARGUING CHECKLIST

1.Skim until Offended
2.Disqualify that Opinion
3.Attack, Attack, Attack
4.Disregard Inconvenient facts
5.Make Shit Up
6.Resort to Moral Equivalency
7.Concern Trolling
8.When all else fails, Racism!


Ah, so we're between steps 3 and 4 now. Carry on.

Blogger dlstacy July 21, 2014 4:43 PM  

reminds me of a book:

"By your own count," Hawat said, "he killed fifteen thousand over two years while losing twice that number. You say the Sardaukar accounted for another twenty thousand, possibly a few more. And I've seen the transportation manifests for their return from Arrakis. If they killed twenty thousand, they lost almost five for one. Why won't you face these figures, Baron, and understand what they mean?"

The Baron spoke in a coldly measured cadence: "This is your job, Mentat. What do they mean?"

"I gave you Duncan Idaho's head count on the sietch he visited," Hawat said. "It all fits. If they had just two hundred and fifty such sietch communities, their population would be about five million. My best estimate is that they had at least twice that many communities. You scatter your population on such a planet."

"Ten million?" The Baron's jowls quivered with amazement.

"At least."

The Baron pursed his fat lips. The beady eyes stared without wavering at Hawat. Is this true Mentat computation? he wondered. How could this be and no one suspect?

"We haven't even cut heavily into their birth-rate-growth figure," Hawat said. "We've just weeded out some of their less successful specimens, leaving the strong to grow stronger - just like on Salusa Secundus."

OpenID cailcorishev July 21, 2014 4:50 PM  

The "you're a coward if you don't use your real name" argument seems especially stupid in the middle of a discussion about/by writers, who have used pen names for ages. Why did Samuel Clemens write as Mark Twain? I have no idea, but I never thought it made him a coward.

OpenID damiengwalter.com July 21, 2014 4:50 PM  

Hey, here's a joke for you.

What do you cal a bunch of I.T. guys who spend all day doing whatever their boss tells them at work, and their lunch break pretending to be Lone Wolves on the internet?

The Dreadful Ilk. Gettit?

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You sad fucking losers.

Blogger Russell July 21, 2014 4:52 PM  

I didn't read the whole tweet chain, but isn't it funny how right wing people are such fascists? I mean, not like they know anything, I doubt they've been outside their home town, much less went to prestigious school like the University of Chicago or anything like that. I doubt they own a large lawn. A bunch of stinky poopy heads! I refuse to admit they are even literate, they probably dictate to mommy their hateful screeds of hateyness. I know, because I totally can read minds over the internet. And what they do is far worse than anything we do. Because reasons. I'm just really worried Vox and the Ilk might hurt themselves, you know, so full of hate. They hate everyone who is the Other, you know, the racists pigs. I wish they all would just shut up! I am so never going to sleep with any of them!

Blogger Krul July 21, 2014 4:59 PM  

damiengwalter.com - ...a bunch of I.T. guys who...

And that's step 5.

Blogger WATYF July 21, 2014 4:59 PM  

I hoping everyone has realized by now that we shouldn't be feeding this troll.

WATYF

Anonymous trev006 July 21, 2014 4:59 PM  

Oh James Worrad. Jaaames, you pathetic dweeb. Of course Vox has the courage to say this in front of all of your little pissant friends! He could pour a drink down your trousers right there on stage, and no one would do anything to help you. Because they, and you, are the real cowards. Courage is having the desire to fight, even (some would say especially) when you lack the capacity to do so. If I was at LonCon, and it's possible I'd be eccentric enough to buy a plane ticket, I'd be selling tickets to the Punch A Racist Boxing Matches that you and your flaily little friends would bravely retreat from.

But that's irrelevant, because of one fact. I mean, I understand that Damien is basically a cringing minion to guys like Scalzi, who would never condescend to publish a "book" that Damien would write. But you, James? I'm astonished that you're a flea dangling from the rear of Damien, who dangles from the rear of Scalzi. I had no idea the chain of things stretched so far. The notion of you coming here with your laughably misleading links, pretending to punch well above your weight while secretly begging for Internet hits... well, little man, the mind reels.

Blogger James Dixon July 21, 2014 5:00 PM  

> Heck, I even met Flint years ago...

Flint's 1632 series takes place within a few miles of where I live, so we have some interest in it.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 21, 2014 5:01 PM  

@damiengwalter

So when are you publishing your book? When oh brave, brave Damien?

When will we all be permitted to bask in the glory that is your genius?

When are you going to stop hiding it under your mattress like a snotnosed thirteen year old poet, who can't bare the idea of the fruits of her labors being subjected to critical examination?

Much safer to keep it to yourself and squeal, "you would never get it anyway!"

And continue to be paid not to publish it by Her Majesties government. I won't question her judgement on this.

Blogger Kallmunz July 21, 2014 5:02 PM  

>Hey, here's a joke for you.

Look kid, whoever you are, it's quite clear by now that you are not Damien Walter, no one is going to fall for it, even though I have to hand it to you, you do make him sound like a complete loser.
It was cute while it lasted but I think your mommy wants you to take out the garbage now.

Anonymous patrick kelly July 21, 2014 5:04 PM  

"Laphroaig just to prompt a discussion about real liquor"

Ooooo... got my attention......Nate would have to bring some Bookers for me to chose bourbon over Laphroaig......

Anonymous Stilicho July 21, 2014 5:06 PM  

But you, James? I'm astonished that you're a flea dangling from the rear of Damien, who dangles from the rear of Scalzi. I had no idea the chain of things stretched so far.

It's dingleberries...all the way down

Anonymous Mudz July 21, 2014 5:09 PM  

What do you cal a bunch of I.T. guys who spend all day doing whatever their boss tells them at work, and their lunch break pretending to be Lone Wolves on the internet?

The Dreadful Ilk. Gettit?


Lol, pretty lame. Look, just because we're good at that sort of thing, doesn't mean you can pull it off. Just accept you're a mentally unstable dweeb drowning in humiliation and move on.

Anonymous patrick kelly July 21, 2014 5:13 PM  

"It's dingleberries...all the way down"

Ok, now you're making me laugh way too hard....and disturbing my middle aged IT work........

Anonymous VD July 21, 2014 5:13 PM  

Tell you what Vox. If you do go to LonCon, go down to the bar and repeat what you said here about Banksy. Let's see if you actually have the courage to stand by your words when you're facing the friends of the man you insulted.

James, I'm a former full contact fighter. I play football with former national team players. I bench-press 325 pounds. Forget standing by my words, which I am absolutely willing to do. I could dig up Banksy's corpse, sodomize it on the bar at LonCon and there isn't a damn thing any of you pencil-armed, neckbearded obesities would do about it.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 21, 2014 5:14 PM  

What on Earth is a James Worrad?

And in God's name, why would it pretend to be Damien Walter?


How could anything hate itself that much?

Anonymous trev006 July 21, 2014 5:16 PM  

I could dig up Banksy's corpse, sodomize it on the bar at LonCon and there isn't a damn thing any of you pencil-armed, neckbearded obesities would do about it.

Ew. See, there's nothing much at LonCon worth sodomizing, so...

Anonymous Doug Wardell July 21, 2014 5:21 PM  

VD July 21, 2014 5:13 PM

I could dig up Banksy's corpse, sodomize it on the bar at LonCon
...

Lol, I've been wondering what it would take to get you to LonCon. Seriously though, I'm still holding out a small hope that you'll go. I desperately want to see a VD Hugo acceptance speech juxtaposed with reaction shots of the audience.

Blogger Jack Aubrey July 21, 2014 5:26 PM  

The blog giveth, and the blog taketh away. On the one hand, Vox and the Ilk have introduced me to a large number of new authors and their books, so that my Kindle overflows.

On the other hand, I spend so much time reading this and related blogs that my reading backlog is starting to get ridiculous.

Tragedy tomorrow, comedy tonight!

Anonymous John July 21, 2014 5:29 PM  

Preach it.

And this is true across culture as a whole, not just some genre of writing books.
When it all goes down, their massive advantage of being long backed by the largest, most vocal propaganda outlets is going to cease. 


Exactly. They know the tide is turning. Losing the ability to control the message on a larger scale will drive them into a frenzy to shut down opposing messages on the internet. If the internet allows free access, sans "hate speech" laws (defined at their whim,) they simply cannot control message. I expect huge battles over internet speech within 5 years. If we lose that battle, then they will have won control of the message.

Anonymous VD July 21, 2014 5:35 PM  

I've been wondering what it would take to get you to LonCon.

Spacebunny wanting to go. We're usually in Brighton or Oxford. We haven't been to London since Ender's book came out.

I desperately want to see a VD Hugo acceptance speech juxtaposed with reaction shots of the audience.

Given the voting system, I cannot imagine any scenario that I would win this year. I think third place would be a very good result. If it were a straightforward system, I'd have a shot. It should be very informative to see how it all shakes out. Larry won't win either, but Brad might have a shot.

Anonymous Logo July 21, 2014 5:45 PM  

Just to think, that had the SFWA treated you decently, and not progged you over like they did, that the rising tsunami of the blue science fiction backlash would not be pouring down so very fiercely upon them.

But this is what it looks like when non-progs actually fight back against the progs. And the progs are not at all prepared for this level of belligerence. Progs are the ones who get to be blatantly ideological with handing out their awards, running their businesses. Nonprogs are supposed to denounce such ideological motivations, and adopt ideals of fairness, agree-to-disagree, lets-all-get-along principles, try in vain to persuade progs to adopt them as well, even as the progs let their ideology guide them in trampling over all the nonprogs hold dear.

But not this time. It's what has the Damien Walters of the SFWA so frazzled. Which is what I love about Castalia. Blatantly ideological, and unapologetic. Which is the only way that conservatives, libertarians, reactionaries and nonprogressives of all stripes, will ever be able to challenge the lockstep, hivemind ideological motivations of the Prog.

One doesn't try to knife to death a tyrannosaurus, after all - it takes a big, big gun to take down a big, big lizard. I really do hope that Castalia will be our great, dinocidal cannon. And that others will follow its example, acting in kind.

Anonymous patrick kelly July 21, 2014 5:47 PM  

Notice the coward outer doesn't challenge Vox to say something to his face, but to some nameless, faceless group of euro-pub-fags with safety in numbers.

Just another version of wait till I tell mommy on you.......

Anonymous Don July 21, 2014 5:48 PM  

Loki - Sorry, forgot about you. Besides you never troll as far as I know. This Worrad troll though, that's just weird. Pretending to be a guy who doesn't do anything to get hits on your stupid youtube video, how sad is that?

If he really is Damien how sad is it that he's posting a fake interview video by someone no one has ever heard of? Not like Damien is famous or anything.

Anonymous VD July 21, 2014 5:48 PM  

Sorry, James, but I'm not going to send you a picture of me with my shirt off just to prove that I'm not overweight. Now, either you can comment under your own name or you're just going to keep getting spammed.

Anonymous Doug Wardell July 21, 2014 5:50 PM  

VD July 21, 2014 5:35 PM

Given the voting system, I cannot imagine any scenario that I would win this year. I think third place would be a very good result. If it were a straightforward system, I'd have a shot. It should be very informative to see how it all shakes out. Larry won't win either, but Brad might have a shot.


I'm crossing my fingers for Wheel of Time fans to shake things up. Were I placing bets, I'd say Dan Wells has the best shot, followed by Brad, then you.

Anonymous VD July 21, 2014 5:51 PM  

Which is what I love about Castalia. Blatantly ideological, and unapologetic. Which is the only way that conservatives, libertarians, reactionaries and nonprogressives of all stripes, will ever be able to challenge the lockstep, hivemind ideological motivations of the Prog.

Keep supporting us and we'll keep searching for good Blue SF/F authors and putting out more Blue SF/F. One thing we will never do is back down or relent. We feed on their hatred, which will only grow.

Anonymous Don July 21, 2014 5:53 PM  

Vox - Do you ever wonder what else he does while impersonating you with a faux southern accent? Doesn't it kind of give you the creeps? It's the equivalent of having Buffalo Bob* holding up a picture of you to his face and wishing it were skin.

*Joe Dirt Buffalo Bob, you know the funny one.

Anonymous YIH July 21, 2014 5:57 PM  

daiemgwalter.con:
This one's for you.
Any questions?

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 21, 2014 6:01 PM  

Damien Walter @damiengwalter
@E_M_Edwards Given the small number of votes required, and coordination with other cons, it seems possible.

Cora Buhlert ‏@CoraBuhlert
If he or Correia win, the Hugos will have become a complete joke.


@VD They seem to think you actually have a shot. Admittedly I don't do WorldCon but they do. Have they heard something I wonder?

Blogger wrf3 July 21, 2014 6:34 PM  

Sigyn wrote: Call wrf3, quick. We have a genuine AI event.

You rang?

Be careful who you summon, little one. ;-)

Anonymous Harsh July 21, 2014 6:34 PM  

While it's poor form to wish for the death of another human being, I'll make an exception for the wormtongue Damien Walter. I hope his demise is imminent, gruesome, and if there is any justice in this world, self-inflicted.

"I would look up into your lifeless eyes and wave, like this."

Anonymous VD July 21, 2014 6:37 PM  

You rang?

(laughs) All right, that was genuinely funny.

Anonymous Harsh July 21, 2014 6:41 PM  

t's not Damien, it's James Worrad.

Should have known. Worrad is the newest creepy stalker boy of VP.

Anonymous Anonymous July 21, 2014 6:41 PM  

I am recent convert to Christianity, Vox Day. The national, churchian church in my country is a major pain, because they prioritize followers higher than Jesus, and that is why I thank God. For A Throne of Bones, you, your blogs, and the blogs you link to.

Please, continue with what you are doing. Make their nightmare darker, and hopefully some will see the Light.

Blogger wrf3 July 21, 2014 6:43 PM  

John Wright wrote: Virginia is a concealed carry state. While not warlike myself, we are a valiant and choleric people.

Indeed. I grew up in Arlington and just spent the last four days in Alexandria visiting family. I wish I had had the time to drop by, provide you a beverage of your choice, and get your autograph.

Blogger Brad Andrews July 21, 2014 6:49 PM  

Hopefully I am not forever slimed by being praised by a pretender. Blech.

I use my real name because I figure the effort to hide is not worth it and I still watch what I say. People can slam me for plenty of reasons if they choose to do so.

I would not put myself in John Wright's class except possibly for the round part....

Blogger Brad Andrews July 21, 2014 6:50 PM  

Speaking of concealed carry, why must it be concealed? I find it ironic that my current state of Texas stresses the concealed part so much.

Anonymous LGrin July 21, 2014 7:07 PM  

Vox; did you read Redshirts?

Anonymous Anonymous Cowherd July 21, 2014 7:45 PM  

Excuse me! Vox Day is a racist rightwing nutjob. He gathers in his umbra, many of the same.
I, like many others here, am rightwing racist nutjob it is those nutjob racist rightwingers that should be of concern.

Anonymous B Lewis July 21, 2014 7:46 PM  

I am not a member of any ilk, dread or otherwise. I am a regular reader and comment frequently on this blog.

And B Lewis is my real, legal name. The "B" stands for Bruce. It's the name under which all my comics and my book were published. I'm not hard to find.

He who comes looking for me had better be polite about it, though. Verb. sap.

Anonymous Anonymous Cowherd July 21, 2014 7:51 PM  

Who the hell is this Damien G Walter?

I wonder does Damien G Walter know the answer to that?

Anonymous Shibes Meadow July 21, 2014 7:54 PM  

“In times past, loyalty to the cause of fandom was to be found everywhere. The will of the Group of Nine was the will of everyone.”

“Fandom meeting in convention may judge, but no one is to be purged except as the result of an eighty-page report.”

“How is the gut nourished? By the mouth. How does the mouth connect to the gut? By the esophagus. If the mainstream publishers are circumvented, fascists will gain the ability to sell books.”

“Where the Group of Nine sit, there diversity, equality, and tolerance of all points of view that conform to Correct Thought as defined by the Group of Nine may be published."

Blogger Doorstop July 21, 2014 8:07 PM  

"Speaking of concealed carry, why must it be concealed?"

Offhand (and off-topic), but I can think of three good reasons to carry concealed:
1. No freaking-out the public (and the police, who will receive a "man with a gun" call in many jurisdictions)
2. Less likelihood being shot in the back by an armed robber who already has his gun out before noticing the one on your hip as you're preoccupied with opening the beer cooler or carrying a jug of milk...
3. Criminals have a much harder time distinguishing the sheep from the sheep dogs, so everyone is potentially safer.

Reasons to open carry:
1. Because you want to make a statement of some sort.
2. Because a CCW license costs time and money and puts you in yet another bureaucratic database.
3. Because you can.

Blogger Jefferson Selvy July 21, 2014 8:12 PM  

My name is ALWAYS on my words, you dreadful little oik.

Blogger Doorstop July 21, 2014 8:21 PM  

BTW, one of many things I'm appreciative of Vox for is introducing the term "rabbits" to describe those nasty, spiteful people who think all they have to do to attack an opinion (or even a demonstrable fact) is to point and shriek and label it as "outdated" and "clearly hateful" to whatever brand of groupthink they're practicing. Because progress.

Anonymous ENthePeasant July 21, 2014 8:28 PM  

I'm not a big fan of SF/F and have watched this train wreck with the supposed "mainstream" SF/F writers (none of whom I've ever heard about) with a growing sense of amusement. I don't comment much any longer, there's too many here who do it better and often I'm here after the big battles have been fought and I do some mop up of trolls who love coming here after the light has gone. But I've been here a long time, I read every post and often consider them love letters to reality. Ilk believe in reality. Most of your enemies feel that if they can ignore it it won't be so. The thing about reality is, "you can ignore it, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring it." Trying to stamp out reality, which is what most of your enemies aspire to, is the equivalent of stepping on wet cow shit. There's nothing left where you put your foot but there's now two piles to deal with. You are winning a war in which your enemies have assumed they could keep you from firing a shot. But you only grew stronger and more widely known. Fun times for old Ilk. Six months ago I was sitting in a wine bar having a glass of wine and a burger by myself. The kid sitting next to me was reading VP on his smartphone. Naturally I asked him if he liked it and he said he did. We talked about it and he asked if I posted and gave him my handle. He knew who I was... which was a little scary/odd. He made a comment that everyone here would probably understand. He likes reading here cuz he's had a sense of losing his freedom and VP was a free place (God bless you, Jason). It's also important to note this has kept you from running on and on about Japanese Naval power in WW II. The importance of that can be understated.

Blogger Jefferson Selvy July 21, 2014 8:39 PM  

Don't wanna scare the fluffy bunnies, right?

Blogger Jefferson Selvy July 21, 2014 8:47 PM  

#3 Open Carry FTW!

Anonymous Harsh July 21, 2014 9:00 PM  

My name is ALWAYS on my words, you dreadful little oik.

Who the fuck cares?

Blogger Doorstop July 21, 2014 9:02 PM  

@Jefferson Selvy

Yeah, but imagine how terrifying it must be to hoplophobes, not knowing how many evil guns and gun owners might be nearby at any given time. Kinda like that "fact" I like tease arachnophobes with, how at any given time you're always 6 feet away from a spider. True or not, it's hilarious

Anonymous Harsh July 21, 2014 9:03 PM  

What do you cal a bunch of I.T. guys who spend all day doing whatever their boss tells them at work, and their lunch break pretending to be Lone Wolves on the internet?

Well, people who have jobs for one. Which is more than can be said of Damien Walter, James Worrad, et al. Jealous much?

Anonymous Daniel July 21, 2014 9:09 PM  

SB knows something. Tell me: did she pick the Cup better than you?

Who the hell is Banksy and did they name his corpse as the fill-in keynote speaker? Hugos aren't Hugos until they hurt someone, I guess.

Anonymous Harsh July 21, 2014 9:38 PM  

Who the hell is Banksy and did they name his corpse as the fill-in keynote speaker?

Some talentless street artist that the left is in love with. In other news, what else is new?

Anonymous Scintan July 21, 2014 9:49 PM  

Cora Buhlert, a born and bred German (Bremen), praises the censorship of fascist works while going along with the idea of fascist-style censorship. Buhlert, a European, is discussing diversity in the context of dealing with writers of diverse genetic backgrounds (V.D., L.C.).

Typical, Ironic and hilarious, all at the same time.

Blogger Jmac July 21, 2014 9:51 PM  

I'm guessing Banksy was Ian Banks, the SF writer who passed away last year. Vox wrote, correctly, about how empty and nihilistic his writing was. Perhaps this Worrad fellow took offense.

Anonymous Joe Author July 21, 2014 9:56 PM  

"And now, after a hazy nightmare state we are emerging to reclaim what was once ours."

Literature, specifically Science Fiction, is not an "ours" or "mine". Because the undertone of this statement is rooted in "gatekeeping".


"Keep supporting us and we'll keep searching for good Blue SF/F authors and putting out more Blue SF/F."

Science Fiction. Not "Blue". Not "Pink".


Because, in the end, what people will read, and authors will write, and publishers will publish, is literature. Of their own volition. By their own creative designs.
"Good" writing? "Bad" writing? To each their own.

Regardless of the philosophical underpinnings in this war of words between "grown-ups".


Hot funk, cool punk, even if it's old junk. It's still rock and roll to me.

Blogger James Dixon July 21, 2014 10:02 PM  

> Science Fiction. Not "Blue". Not "Pink".

If I serve you hamburger while I eat tenderloin, are we not both having beef? And yet people seem to prefer one over the other.

> Hot funk, cool punk, even if it's old junk. It's still rock and roll to me.

Yeah, you've made that abundantly clear. Enjoy your hamburger.

Anonymous Don July 21, 2014 10:09 PM  

Hamburger? Why not tube steak? Pure beef lips, bungholes and 'filler'. Yum.

Anonymous Harsh July 21, 2014 10:13 PM  

Regardless of the philosophical underpinnings in this war of words between "grown-ups".

Shut the fuck up.

Anonymous Kyle July 21, 2014 10:25 PM  

When I started reading this blog six or seven years ago, it seemed to be dominated by posts about atheism (which aligned with my interests) and economics (not so much.) I never imagined that the fiction side of things would grow to be so important, but it warms my heart to see Vox, John C. Wright, and the others fighting back against the inane doctrines of the SF/F establishment. I find the ongoing collapse of Pink SF/F to be thoroughly delightful and entertaining.

Doesn't hurt that I've discovered a lot of great books through reading this blog.

Anonymous GreyS July 21, 2014 10:54 PM  

Damien is partially correct about one thing-- There is only one VD. And I doubt there would be a lot of us raising up to take his place. The specific combination of things which go into making VD is almost unrepeatable, and the ability to be cruelly intellectual and to laser in without mercy to foes is rare indeed.

That Damien and the rest think they "give" VD a platform is hilarious. From an outsiders pov-- this dude practically runs their lives. Damien obsesses over him, makes his living on articles about him (apparently having no other income but pretend-book welfare), thinks about him while running and has to meditate to temporarily rid his mind of things VD. Scalzi runs his entire blog with an eye and ear to what VD will think and how he will react. Scalzi even started working out because of VD talking about him being weaker than his teenage daughter. Scalzi's blog is one which is perpetually frightened to even talk about VD out loud. Same with dozens of authors and tweeters who are literally scared to mention him by name. SFWA violated their own policies to oust him while simultaneously being afraid to mention him by name ( ! ). The SFWA board officers put their careers on hold to attack him. One of the most prestigious awards in SFF is in turmoil simply because he has been nominated. SFF fans across the globe eschew morality in order to do fake reviews of his books across the internet.

The entire thing is hilarious to me. VD practically runs these people's lives and they play-act as if he is some sort of minor irritant.

Anonymous Harsh July 21, 2014 11:01 PM  

VD practically runs these people's lives and they play-act as if he is some sort of minor irritant.

Of course they act that way because that's all they have. There's is one inescapable truth about the rabbits that they are afraid of more than anything. They are the weak.

Blogger automatthew July 21, 2014 11:15 PM  

"Scalzi even started working out because of VD talking about him being weaker than his teenage daughter."

I'm all agog at the thought of what increased T will do for JS. What if he levels up?

Anonymous Joe Author July 21, 2014 11:16 PM  

"Shut the fuck up."

Juvenile banter? Or witty repartee? YOU decide.


"VD practically runs these people's lives."

Takes two to tango.


Indeed, from an outsider's point of view, it is hilarious! Both sides with equal ferocity in their verbosity of what they believe is "literature".


Readers are going to read. Writers are going to write. Publishers are going to publish. When will everyone comprehend this simple, yet beautiful, concept???

Anonymous The artist, also known as Brad July 21, 2014 11:29 PM  

The mistake Damien makes -- indeed, the mistake almost all social fatalists make -- is in assuming that human history is this inexorable uphill (downhill?) climb towards (insert dubious end-point condition here.) A studious examination of history will show that the course of human events are a variable waveform, with peaks and troughs. And not everyone will define (looking backward through the lens) "peak" and "trough" according to the same criteria. Presently we may be occupying something of a technical zenith, but has our technology merely enabled us to regress (rather rapidly) into doctrinaire modes of thinking? Where theories and ideas are deemed so true, so perfect, so correct, that no sane (or at least non-criminal) mind can oppose them?

Damien looks at the SF/F field and sees it rife with a) old enemies that need to be rubbed out and forgotten, and b) new enemies who need to be slandered, labeled, evicted to the margins, and ultimately excommunicated from the One True Church of SF/F. What Damien doesn't realize is that the cathedral is largely empty. The pews have vacated and all the protestants have run off to form their own fan bases, their own circles, their own areas of expertise and enthusiasm. There is no longer any kind of social or literary hub to hold it all together. SF/F moved out of the basement and took over Hollywood in the 1970s, and then went on a smash world tour and took over the mainstream popular imagination in the 1980s, and never looked back.

Now SF/F earns billions per year at the box office (and the game store counters) and most people consuming it don't even call it SF/F. It just . . . is.

Thus Damien is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, pursuing his dream of unquestioned monocultural orthodoxy (cloaked in superficial "diversity") while SF/F (or at least the brown little tuft of grass Damien occupies, and calls "SF/F") gradually gasps out its last independent breaths; prior to being completely and totally subsumed into the mainstream body of cultural entertainment. Where audiences want to a) have fun, and b) have fun, and c) have fun.

I am not sure Damien knows what "fun" looks like anymore; through the dyspeptic squint, and over the noise of his own haranguing.

Blogger John Wright July 21, 2014 11:51 PM  

"Speaking of concealed carry, why must it be concealed?"

I did not think I would have to explain this to anyone on this blog, but 'concealed carry' laws permit one to carry a weapon DESPITE that it is concealed, not BECAUSE it is concealed.

All remaining civilized jurisdictions allow for carrying weapons, but most restrict carrying concealed weapons as it might make crime easier. Virginians and other civilized commonwealths believe that the criminals are aware than potential targets here may be packing, because our laws allow us to carry concealed weapons.

Only in spacial gun-free zones, like Virginia Tech, are there pockets of barbarism, where, since guns are outlawed, shooters gather.

Blogger John Wright July 21, 2014 11:54 PM  

"I wish I had had the time to drop by, provide you a beverage of your choice, and get your autograph."

Hail and well met! Catch me next time. I live in Fairfax County, right outside DC, less than an hour from Arlington.

Blogger Herb Nowell July 22, 2014 12:36 AM  

And the other shoe has dropped. Those of you who aren't Theo commenting on his own blog are a) too cowardly to put your name to your opinions and b) known in SF fandom and too scared to publicly spout your bigotry.

You bunch of fucking cowards.


*Checks Driver's License* *Checks Screen Name*

You're right...I'm hiding by dropping the 'ert' from my first name. I'm such a coward.

Blogger Steve Moss July 22, 2014 12:42 AM  

I always post under my own name, though I concede I read and move on far more than I post.

I found this blog after Vox Day, Larry Corriea, etc. were nominated for Hugos and people came unglued. So I started reading the evil Vox, Larry, Sarah Hoyt, John Wright, etc. I don't agree with everything they write, but I enjoy the writing and enjoy the open discussion.

And for the record, I don't think Vox, Larry, Sarah, John, etc... are racist, right wing nut jobs, though I concede on some issues they are right wing (and on others, not). Inquirying into whether there are genetic differences between the races (which is obvious to the naked eye, the real question is whether those differences are more than skin deep) does not make one a racist. So far as I am aware, neither Vox nor Larry are advocating treating one race as the "master" race and providing that race more rights under the law at the expense of the others.

I mean is it really racist to notice that Kenyans win the majority of significant foot races, 70-80%, and to form a hypothesis that there might be a genetic component to their successes? http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/04/why-kenyans-make-such-great-runners-a-story-of-genes-and-cultures/256015/

And if there is a genetic component to the Kenyan successes in foot races, is it really that far of a stretch to contemplate that other races and ethnic groups might be stronger or weaker than the norm in other areas?

And since when does being right wing make one a racist or a nut job? There have historically been far more racists within the Democrat party than the Republican.

As to mental health, last I checked, conservatives tend to be happier than liberals. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/08/opinion/sunday/conservatives-are-happier-and-extremists-are-happiest-of-all.html?_r=0

Though I'm not privy to any study on the subject, I strongly suspect happiness and poor mental health are inversely related. If I'm right, there should be more frequent incidences of mental illness within the ranks of the left, than the right. This would conform with my personal observations. A Tea Party rally is far more civil than an Occupy, Code Pink, etc. rally.

I personally wouldn't be surprised if the left's perpetual accusations of "right wing, racist, nut jobs" was more or less a case of psychological projection.

Just my two cents. Posted, as always, under my real name.

Blogger IM2L844 July 22, 2014 12:45 AM  

Readers are going to read. Writers are going to write. Publishers are going to publish. When will everyone comprehend this simple, yet beautiful, concept???

Brilliant reductionism? Or dewy-eyed naiveté? YOU decide.

Anonymous kfg July 22, 2014 1:14 AM  

" . . .unfortunately, they represent a portion of the human spectrum."

Sometimes all you have to do to rip the loving mask off the Diversity Crowd and reveal the bigoted hatred it conceals is to allow them to speak their minds in public.

Blogger Brad Andrews July 22, 2014 1:42 AM  

John, they specifically tell us we cannot carry without being concealed in Texas. It is one of those things I meant to investigate at some point.

You almost make me want to travel to the NoVa area (Tappahannock (sp?)) to see my in-laws. Almost. :)

(Though the offer was not made to me I would be happy to spot a drink of your choice were I ever near where you are. I doubt I would ever move back in that area, my time there was quite enough.)

Anonymous Peter July 22, 2014 2:06 AM  

Oh, Damien, you poor dear

If you were a dinosaur, you wouldn't need to leave comments here...

Blogger Doorstop July 22, 2014 3:31 AM  

"Hail and well met! Catch me next time. I live in Fairfax County, right outside DC, less than an hour from Arlington.

Small world- am by no means a much of a traveler, but I had a close relative living near Gallows Rd. whom I ventured down to visit last year and the year before that. Got to check out the NRA headquarters/museum and the Enola Gay in a single weekend, so bringing a quality beverage to you, John C. Wright, would have been the ultimate icing on the cake! Not that I know any purveyors of multi-dimensional, trillion year-old bourbon or single-malt (hopefully distilled only by those who know the master-word) so it would have been a very humble gift indeed ;)

OpenID standingagainsttheworld July 22, 2014 3:37 AM  

Here are some more ways to wreak bedlam on the pinkshirts:
http://mattforney.com/2014/07/17/how-to-deal-with-narcissists-by-michael-trust/

Among the effects of applying this technique would be to cause blackouts, panic attacks and vomiting among the pinkshirts. Make their day hell by taking advantage of their damaged amygdala.

Blogger Robert What? July 22, 2014 4:08 AM  

@Vox: "That sounds like asking for harassment from trolls and lefties trying to get you fired."

I did mean without any identifying information, but you never know when someone might inadvertently let some through. And the enemies are relentless. Being self-employed I don't have to worry about getting fired. Unfortunately my boss is still an idiot ;-)

Anonymous Mudz July 22, 2014 5:28 AM  

I usually hand out my personal information for free whenever some butt-hurt loon (noticeably ubiquitous in the SFF fandom) whinges for it when I disturb their delicate internet eco-system, since there's nothing they could do with it in my case. 'Mudz' just happens to be my irl nick-name.

I just think it's funnier not to indulge "damieng" and his alter egos. It obviously tears him up inside that we don't share his insecurities. He's trying his best to be a star, but he's too dim to achieve anything.

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