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Monday, July 28, 2014

The bad science of food

You can't trust scientistry. You simply can't. Think about how many times, over the last few DECADES, you were told that eating fat and butter and cream and cheese was bad for you. Remember how fettucini alfredo was once called "a heart attack on a plate?" Then read this belated mea culpa from a doctor who admits that he has been giving out worse than useless advice to his patients for years.
Milk, cheese, butter, cream - in fact all saturated fats - are bad for you. Or so I believed ever since my days as a medical student nearly 30 years ago. During that time I assured friends and family that saturated fat would clog their arteries as surely as lard down a drain. So, too, would it make them pile on the pounds. Recently, however, I have been forced to do a U-turn. It is time to apologise for all that useless advice I've been dishing out about fat.

The roots of our current confusion lie in a paper by an American scientist called Ancel Keys in 1953. It covered the increasingly common problem of clogged arteries. Keys included a simple graph comparing fat consumption and deaths from heart disease in men from six different countries. Americans, who ate a lot of fat, were far more likely to have a heart attack than the Japanese, who ate little fat. Case solved. Or was it?

Other scientists began wondering why Keys chose to focus on just six countries when he had access to data for 22. If places like France and Germany were included the link between heart disease and fat consumption became much weaker. These were, after all, countries with high fat consumption, but relatively modest rates of heart disease. In fact, as a renowned British scientist called John Yudkin pointed out, there was actually a much stronger link between sugar consumption and heart disease.

But Yudkin's warnings about sugar were denounced by a fellow scientist as 'nothing more than scientific fraud'. He was, as one of his colleagues colourfully put it, 'thrown under a bus'.

Meanwhile, the war on fat gradually gained momentum, to the extent that by the time I reached medical school in the Eighties, there was no mention of Yudkin's findings. People were cutting down on dairy products and switching to sugary carbohydrates and vegetable oils. This, it turns out, was a mistake. To turn vegetable oil into margarine, manufacturers used a process called hydrogenation (gas pumped through oil at high temperature), which produces trans fats. These are the Darth Vader of the fat world: good fats turned bad.

Unlike saturated fats, there is clear evidence that trans fats damage your heart. They were found in most shop-bought biscuits and cakes until they were removed in 2007.
Think about how many people have suffered ill effects from eating a bad, science-recommended diet. The amazing thing is that this doctor clung to what he "knew" even though "I put on over two stone, despite regular exercise. My cholesterol soared past the healthy range and two years ago I discovered I was borderline diabetic."

Observation is an important part of the scientific process. Not publishing. Not peer review. And it is eminently clear that too few people in the scientific and medical communities are observing anything.

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Blogger David July 28, 2014 1:24 PM  

Science has been entirely subsumed by politics.

When most funding for research comes from politicians, the only studies approved will be those confirming the fad-of-the-week/month/year/decade/century.

Look what the establishment did to Peter Duesberg for suggesting the data showed that AIDS was a constellation of lifestyle choice diseases.

Anonymous TLM July 28, 2014 1:28 PM  

1. Dr Atkins made these guys his bitch back in the 70's ,but no one listened.

2. I'll never forget when Snackwells(fat free cookies) came out and women were stuffing them down their gullets so quickly they couldn't keep em on the store shelves, and they still got fat!

Blogger Iowahine July 28, 2014 1:28 PM  

The Perfect Ten Diet by Michael Aziz, MD, goes into a bit more detail on this.

Anonymous cheddarman July 28, 2014 1:30 PM  



I did some hard time at the University of Minnesota. While I was there, a research group down the hall was in the process of documenting that fructose causes your body to store carbohydrates as fat. You will never guess which large food lobby that makes a living protecting the high fructose corn syrup industry tried to shut them down.

Blogger David July 28, 2014 1:30 PM  

Imagine a man who has reached the pinnacle of his profession, is a near celebrity, and highly paid for his input to legislation and business.

Along comes an upstart, an unknown, whose work appears to show that the expert's work is all based on a massive error. It appears to require a true paradigm shift, and will disrupt billions of dollars of work and millions of lives.

Does the expert relinquish it all and become head bottle-washer for the upstart, or does the expert rationalize burying the upstart's work?

Blogger David July 28, 2014 1:33 PM  

At a time when we're drowning in data, it's not what we know that's the problem, it's the vast amount that we think we know that just ain't so.

Blogger James Dixon July 28, 2014 1:34 PM  

> Along comes an upstart, an unknown, whose work appears to show that the expert's work is all based on a massive error.

It's even worse when the work is based on a deliberate lie. I'm honestly afraid many of the food science decisions over the past several decades fall into that category.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic July 28, 2014 1:36 PM  

Crisco replaced lard all across the South.

All you have to do is look at Crisco to realize it's something that should never be consumed by a human being.

Blogger Old Rebel July 28, 2014 1:37 PM  

I've been on the paleo diet for three years. Now I have no problem keeping my weight where it should be.

Anonymous RedJack July 28, 2014 1:40 PM  

Even in engineering, observations are often discarded because of badthink. In my own field, I had to convince a Phd that a pump I was using would work, because it was running and had been for six months.

He insisted that I was wrong (even then I offered to show him the pump), because it was never done that way before.

It is a pump. It moves viscous liquid. It works. Yet it CW in my industry is that it doesn't so they almost me pull it out.

Anonymous Will Best July 28, 2014 1:42 PM  

Gary Taubes probably added a decade or more to my life when I stumbled across his work about 5 years ago. It did of course increase my food budget by 30-40%, but its a lot better use of my money than a lot of other things.

Anonymous Stickwick July 28, 2014 1:48 PM  

Old Rebel: I've been on the paleo diet for three years. Now I have no problem keeping my weight where it should be.

Same here.

I did paleo at about the 75% level throughout my last pregnancy, then full-on afterwards, and had no trouble losing all of the pregnancy weight, and then some, within just three months of giving birth.

Finally convinced my husband to go full-on paleo, and he dropped 25 lbs almost instantaneously. All of his naggy little health problems -- the sort of stuff that creeps up on a man once he hits his 40s and starts to lose his youthful vigor -- cleared up within a very short amount of time.

Anonymous Porky July 28, 2014 1:51 PM  

Science has corrected itself again. Hail Science.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza July 28, 2014 1:53 PM  

Sometime ago I found something totally naughty, organic fat free, low fat or full fat feta cheese. (What the heck is organic?) $7.99 for hunk of 4 ounces.

Blogger Cranberry July 28, 2014 1:55 PM  

Keyes' work is being ripped to shreds by many a lay person. Tom Naughton writes about LCHF dieting, paleo, etc. His recent post "Ancel Keyes Had A Tiny One elaborated on just how flawed Keyes' data was, how small his sample sizes were, and how out-of-joint with "normal" eating and lifestyle patterns were for many of the men in his Seven Countries Study (post-WWII, rationing, reeling from the effects of Nazi occupation, and Great Lent, when meat and dairy are severely restricted).

Like any and all truth, it can't be hidden for long. The light is starting to creep out. Nina Teicholz' book is forcing many a Low-Fat Preacher to confront the lies they've been spreading. However, glancing at what passes for nutrition info from the gov't, it's going to take a decade or more before we get anywhere with it.

Anonymous Susan July 28, 2014 1:58 PM  

Julia Child's advice of eat what you want but practice moderation still works. She was a smart old gal who lived to be in her nineties.

Anonymous Peter July 28, 2014 2:01 PM  

Behind every doctor is a guy standing in a clearing with a bone through his nose clad in a grass skirt. That should never be forgotten.

And when a doctor objects to that, remind them that they still use leeches.

OpenID cailcorishev July 28, 2014 2:02 PM  

It's even worse when the work is based on a deliberate lie. I'm honestly afraid many of the food science decisions over the past several decades fall into that category.

It's kind of amazing how one guy with a pet theory (in this case low-fat/low-calorie) and a cherry-picked study can change history if it happens to play into what some influential people at the time want to believe, and if the government is in a mood to meddle (as it has been full-bore on everything for 50 years now). It doesn't hurt if it helps someone make more money too -- in this case the food processors, who could make far more money from grain products than they ever could from meat, dairy, and vegetables.

Anonymous i win debate!!! July 28, 2014 2:03 PM  

SELF CORRECTING

Anonymous Porky July 28, 2014 2:04 PM  

Crisco replaced lard all across the South.

Oh, I think we all know where that lard ended up.

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother July 28, 2014 2:09 PM  

Follow the Money!

Blogger Cranberry July 28, 2014 2:15 PM  

It doesn't hurt if it helps someone make more money too -- in this case the food processors, who could make far more money from grain products than they ever could from meat, dairy, and vegetables.

As Keoni Galt/Supernaut pointed out in his recent blog post, the high grain diet is a huge moneymaker for Big Ag and assorted cereal peddlers like Kellogg's, etc. And EBT card holders are just middlemen for a transfer of funds from the Gov't to Big Biz. A lot of the high fat, nutrient dense foods aren't allowed for purchase with EBT cards, but you sure can load up on Doritos and Oreos.

The vegetarian diet and high grain consumption was prescribed by Dr. Kellogg (a Seventh Day Adventist) to combat masturbation and calm men's sexual aggressiveness. Whole feminist tomes have been written to address why veganism is the best diet for a feminist world (The Sexual Politics of Meat). Seems like the worst sort of diet to promote for natural human health, sexuality, and function.

Anonymous DrTorch July 28, 2014 2:17 PM  

This flawed thesis is still not undone. Much like kudzu, it will take a long time to get the roots out.

Talk to most nutritionists (those whose IQ matches schoolteachers and journalists) and they still talk about getting fat out of your diet, and how your body uses sugar like a car engine burns clean gasoline.

Anonymous ENthePeasant July 28, 2014 2:18 PM  

My Blood pressure runs between 121-150 over 60-80 range for twenty years. They've been trying to get it down. I've spend thousand on BP meds that had all kinds of side affects. Last Monday I had a docs appointment. My pulse has been going from 45-65 and they were worried about the low end. Turns out the low pulse was caused by one of my meds. At this appointment my Doc says, "well, recent studies have shown that there's no real problems associated with the upper number being consistently in the mid to upper 150ss..." ARE YOU SHITTIN' ME??? My BP has never been above 150... and I think it was that high once with it mostly being in the 135 range. What a colossal waste of time and money.

Blogger Bike Bubba July 28, 2014 2:27 PM  

I've been pointing out the perils of sugar to my church's youth group for over a year now. Apart from my own children and one young lady who does not pork out on pop, I'm the skinniest, and am about three times their age.

Yikes. It's scary how quickly sugar will pack on the pounds.....

Anonymous hygate July 28, 2014 2:29 PM  

recent studies have shown that there's no real problems associated with the upper number being consistently in the mid to upper 150s

Not long ago I was seeing recommendations that BP should be below 115/75. I remember seeing someone suggest that the recommendation was most likely coming from the BP med producers.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben July 28, 2014 2:33 PM  

The low saturated fat craze has done enormous damage. Firstly, a low fat diet is a low testosterone diet. Testosterone is what keeps a man vigorous. Secondly, a low fat diet slashes your absorption of crucial vitamins and minerals because many nutrients only can be absorbed through fat, so you start having nutritional deficiencies. Thirdly, fat calories are satiating (protein is the satiation king as well as fiber and water) and signal to your brain to stop eating (which keeps calories in check).

There is absolutely no evidence that saturated fat or elevated cholesterol causes heart disease. The reason why statins may "work" is because they have anti-inflammatory effects (such as lowering your iron levels - iron being a potent pro-oxidative substance to the body) independent of lowering cholesterol.

The reason the paleo diet works so well is because it is high in healthy fats, protein, and fiber and water (fruits & vegetables which contain considerable water) which act to stop hunger and make it easy to cut calories, and it provides optimal nutrition.

Anonymous DT July 28, 2014 2:34 PM  

Observation is an important part of the scientific process. Not publishing. Not peer review. And it is eminently clear that too few people in the scientific and medical communities are observing anything.

I have to remind people over and over again that observation trumps theory. Even when it comes to stupid stuff like which camera lens is better or which hard drive is faster. Observation ALWAYS trumps theory. Yet people will stubbornly cling to their beliefs no matter how many observations you throw at them.

It's pathetic.

What kind of liability can we expect on the part of the doctors who demonized saturated fats and the food industry that listened to them? Anything?

Blogger James Dixon July 28, 2014 2:37 PM  

> What kind of liability can we expect on the part of the doctors who demonized saturated fats and the food industry that listened to them? Anything?

Is that a rhetorical question?

Anonymous Jill July 28, 2014 2:40 PM  

I just sped-read a diet book yesterday while at a bookstore. It's a new book, came out in the last couple of years, and it promotes an eating plan based on high carb/low fat/low protein. For brain health, apparently--not heart health. But isn't this how we already eat in this country? And are we mentally healthy? The PhDs who wrote it would claim we eat too much fat and protein for the carbs to adequately produce tryptophan-->serotonin. Egads. Even PhDs don't seem to have an adequate grasp on how food affects the brain. I can't imagine that diet making anybody happy, except those who are spurred to eat boxes of crackers due to depression.

Anonymous dh July 28, 2014 2:42 PM  

I think part of the issue is that there are so many massively obese land whales that doctors focus on the low hanging fruit. When faced with a relatively healthy person who wants to continue and improve his/her diet, the doctor really doesn't have a lot of factual information to go on.

Think of it: all day, you see women and men with rolls of fat, 25, 50, 100, 200 lbs overweight. Day in and day out. They all want a quick fix, and you have to tell them: "everyday you must burn more energy than you consume, and to do that, you must consume fewer calories, and do some moderate exercise, to start losing weight". The idiot then uses this as license to eat low-calorie, high-junk food that neither satiates or nourishes, and they get even fatter. Day after day, appointments for aches and pains, kidney and liver problems, chronic problems like bones and back and neck, sexual malfunction due to much pork-blood content to get a stiffy, all manner of foul things that just wear you down.

And so the only advice you give out is the advice you give out to idiots.

Anonymous Josh July 28, 2014 2:42 PM  

On observation vs theory: isn't it supposed to be impossible for both the bumblebee and hummingbird to fly?

Anonymous Michael Maier July 28, 2014 2:43 PM  

I had a doctor-verified high of at least 216 (I'm 5'10.5"). I lost over 40 lbs while eating eggs and bacon every morning. I had a goal last year of getting below 170 before I could drink beer again and hit it in August.

BTW: I have relatives, friends and cow-workers (sic) ... NONE listen to me on fat and carbs. Even while some of them bitch about not being able to lose weight, while on BP and other meds. Go figure.

So after getting down to 168, I started drinking beer and eating carbs again. 11 months later I'm hovering around 200 again. Dammit.

I wish I'd learn from my own experience... it's all beer's fault, for tasting so damned good!

Anonymous Dr. Kenneth Noisewater July 28, 2014 2:46 PM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2fYguIX17Q

"Oh yes, those are the charmed substances that some years ago were felt to contain life-preserving properties."

"You mean there was no deep fat? No steak, or cream pies, or hot fudge?"

"Those were thought to be unhealthy, precisely the opposite of what we now know to be true."

"Incredible!"

OpenID cailcorishev July 28, 2014 2:52 PM  

This flawed thesis is still not undone. Much like kudzu, it will take a long time to get the roots out.

Yes. I've been studying this topic for almost 20 years now. Every now and then a prominent doctor wakes up and speaks out, or there's yet another study showing that butter is good for you or that grain consumption correlates with depression and a host of other illnesses. We've had big milestones like Taubes's GCBC, and the fat/cholesterol/CVD hypothesis has been repeatedly and thoroughly debunked.

And yet at least 90% of Americans still know, as surely as they know the sun will rise in the east tomorrow, that saturated fat will clog your arteries and kill you, that "healthy grains" are good for you (especially if they're "whole grains"), that a granola bar is better for you than a glass of whole raw milk, and that one's total cholesterol should be kept as low as possible, with drugs if necessary. Over 20 years, nothing has changed in the mainstream except around the edges. I used to expect the truth to catch on; not anymore. The info is there for people who reject the conventional wisdom and seek it out; that'll have to be good enough.

Anonymous Athor Pel July 28, 2014 2:54 PM  

If we start getting some high fructose corn syrup related class action lawsuits then I expect to see agri-business no-liability laws modelled on those used for vaccines being pushed through congress.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben July 28, 2014 3:02 PM  

OT:
Immigrants displacing Americans

Anonymous cheddarman July 28, 2014 3:07 PM  

"Day after day, appointments for aches and pains, kidney and liver problems, chronic problems like bones and back and neck, sexual malfunction due to much pork-blood content to get a stiffy," - dh

Large doses of fish oil will help with all of those pain problems, and it is natural Viagra. Seriously.



Blogger Bike Bubba July 28, 2014 3:09 PM  

Lawsuits? Good luck, as even if the research is wrong, it's out there--and "best current knowledge" is a bulwark against torts. You'd have to prove that everybody knew it was a problem, but conspired together to hide it.

Good luck with that.

Anonymous kfg July 28, 2014 3:26 PM  

" . . . there are so many massively obese land whales . . ."

. . . because the dietary advice came first, not after.

Anonymous Salt July 28, 2014 3:27 PM  

Remember how fettucini alfredo was once called "a heart attack on a plate?"

Place here does blackened chicken alfredo. It's good! Now I know what's on the plate tonight.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 28, 2014 3:32 PM  

No one is objective. Everyone has an angle. Always keep that in mind when you read about some scientific study.

Anonymous Rantor July 28, 2014 3:32 PM  

Oma is 94, living on her own and healthy. She smears butter on every slice of bread and brotchen before adding cheese or meat to the mix. Mrs Rantor knows how to cook, and butter, cream and meat are important to her recipes. We have reduced carbs and increased protein over the years to keep our weight down and it works. Funny to watch scientists trying to catch up and the First Lady trying to starve the children.

Anonymous B Lewis July 28, 2014 3:32 PM  

Science was honest when research was performed by impoverished monks and over-educated aristocrats. Monks do not want wealth or status, and aristocrats already have it; therefore, neither has anything to gain by fudging the hockey stick or protecting a politically-useful theory.

Men immune from any hunger but the hunger for knowledge of God's universe can seek the truth without regard to its market impact or the political consequences of "incorrect" or "premature" findings.

Our corrupt Enlightenment society has corrupted even science. 2+2= [a range of numbers depending upon who paid for the research]. May God forgive us.

Blogger James Dixon July 28, 2014 3:38 PM  

> May God forgive us.

Why should he? It's not like those doing the corrupting have asked for forgiveness.

Anonymous bw July 28, 2014 3:43 PM  

Hey!. Let's have the gubmint of the people take Corporate money and OUTLAW raw dairy. Make it a crime.
If they outlaw something, you'd best better make it a daily staple.

Anonymous the anti Kratmann July 28, 2014 3:52 PM  

I would like to see prepared foods magically fortified with unicorns, so that when you open the package, they come flying out.

Anonymous B Lewis July 28, 2014 3:54 PM  

James Dixon: Touché.

Anonymous the anti Kratmann July 28, 2014 4:01 PM  

I want food products to be fortified with unicorns, so that they leap out of the package upon opening.

Blogger RobertT July 28, 2014 4:05 PM  

Gosh. I go away to earn a living for a couple hours and when I get back a post right up my alley hits the board. I 've always been very active and never had a weight problem because I was always on the go until I developed sciatica in my left hip. For literally a decade i couldn't run, i gained weight, I couldn't figure it out and nothing worked. I gained 45 lbs to 225. Finally I ran across a web site about something called a high fat, low carb diet, paleo diet and promptly lost the entire 45 lbs at 3 lbs a week. It was like clockwork. Three pounds every week. I was never hungry, I could eat more than I wanted. I just adjusted out the carbs and adjusted in the fat. In fact it turns out I'm susceptible to carbs and have a tendency to gain weight whenever I eat them. I just go back to paleo and the weight comes off like clockwork, 3 lbs a week. Since then I have read everything i could find on the subject including Good Calories, Bad Calories and Grain Brain. When the government got involved the whole food pyramid got turned upside down and people started dying. Cereals and whole grains got a foothold and we will never drive them out. My wife worships at the shrine of whole grains. We have a fat epidemic on our hands and people still think I'm a quack for pushing a grain free diet.

This is one of the big reasons I don't trust scientists of any sort, researchers maybe, but not scientists. They are too political.

Anonymous RedJack July 28, 2014 4:06 PM  

My Grandfather ate FRIED LARD for breakfast and lunch (Grandma refused to fix it for him for supper) until he had a stroke at age 87.

They blamed it on his high fat diet, not the fact that he was 87.

Anonymous Boogeyman July 28, 2014 4:13 PM  

Suffered a quick combo of stroke, staph infection, heart attack, and 6 way by-pass about 2 years ago. The infection came in the middle and pretty much kept me from eating for 6 weeks. Lost 60 pounds. Very effective weight loss program, but I don't recommend it.

Prior to it all I consumed way, way too much sugar. Was the root of all my problems. Thought I was such a good boy for not smoking or drinking or doing drugs, but in the end it was soda and sweet tea that did me in. Man plans while God laughs.

Since then I avoid sugar like the plague (still add the fake stuff to tea or the rare drink the rare diet Coke), rarely eat anything fried - especially with vegetable oil - hardly ever eat chips or other snacks, and take it easy with the bacon and such.

Almost 2 years now and the weight's still off. Occasionally still tempted to plough through a whole bag of Doritos, but I want to live long enough to see my girls grown and own their own more. Too much of anything will kill you but the sugar will do it in double time. You don't want to go where I am. Avoid that shit like the poison it is.

Anonymous Boogeyman July 28, 2014 4:16 PM  

And I would like to blame the mistakes I made in the last post on my dain dramage.

Anonymous JohnS July 28, 2014 4:18 PM  

@ michael maier
Michelobe ultra dude... 2.6 grams of carbs/bottle. The carb conscious drunkard's choice!

Blogger Random July 28, 2014 4:18 PM  

"take it easy with the bacon..."

It's like you're speaking Chinese to me right now.

Anonymous joe doakes July 28, 2014 4:27 PM  

The old wives who warned "if you eat too much suger, you'll get diabetes" were right all along.

Oh, oh - I hope they're not also right about "if you don't stop that, you'll go blind."
.

OpenID thenoisyrogue July 28, 2014 4:34 PM  

Key's came up with a single flawed hypothesis and spent the rest of his professional life silencing and destroying the professional life of his critics by using a vast network of vested interests in the food industry as well as in academia.

Sounds like a certain 'hockey stick' gentleman with the current global warming scam.

Anonymous Carlotta July 28, 2014 4:50 PM  

@ Stickwick
Did you nurse while on paleo as well?

I am pregnant and have been leaning towards paleo as much as I can ( morning sickness).

Anonymous bw July 28, 2014 4:51 PM  

Michelobe ultra dude... 2.6 grams of carbs/bottle. The carb conscious drunkard's choice!

Or Dogfish Head Imperial IPA @2
9% ABV

And raise your hand if Agenda 21 Collectivist Nazis have lectured you over diet in the last decade...
They should simply admit that they feel so for the poor little red meat.

Blogger Joshua_D July 28, 2014 5:00 PM  

ENthePeasant July 28, 2014 2:18 PM

At this appointment my Doc says, "well, recent studies have shown that there's no real problems associated with the upper number being consistently in the mid to upper 150ss..." ARE YOU SHITTIN' ME??? My BP has never been above 150... and I think it was that high once with it mostly being in the 135 range. What a colossal waste of time and money.


LOL. Sorry to laugh at you're expense, but that's funny. Did you say anything to the doctor?

Anonymous Ridip July 28, 2014 5:04 PM  

A couple years back I decided to send Mrs. Ridip to a new doc I'd met at a couple parties.

Not your usual Dr. This guy has a gift for spotting what is wrong with someone and spends a minimum of 1 hour at a time with his patients at each appointment. He also accepts no insurance because they limit how he's allowed to treat you.

He ran a ton of blood work on the Mrs. found out she reacted not just to gluten but to all grains, pseudo-grains, dairy, eggs, soy, and mushrooms.

Overnight she became Paleo+. Nothing low fat about it. No crazy carbs, sweeteners, or laboratory byproducts.

Through his continued treatment and supplementation. Her diabetes, Lupus, metabolic syndrome, etc. are all gone, as verified by MD's and their tests. She is down to one med for Thyroid from 10 Meds. My migraines, asthma, and allergies are gone as well. And to top it off we dropped a combined 80 pounds without dieting.

I'm convinced that eating right is the single largest contributor to these improvements.

Anonymous Mr. Stubby July 28, 2014 5:08 PM  

My great-grandparents and grandparents all ate the typical old school farmer/rancher foods. They all lived into their 90's. That is what I eat. My weight has stayed at 210 since my 20's. My blood pressure is a healthy teenager.

Anonymous TJ July 28, 2014 5:56 PM  

I believe a good portion of the hype these foods were bad for you were marketing campaigns (similar to the dystopian futuristic movie "Branded") with the goal of maximizing industry profits.

For example:
Milk industry wants to maximize profits. Contracted marketing firms come up with idea to sell skim milk and 2% milk at same prices as whole milk by starting campaign that it is healthier for you and whole milk is bad for you. The good stuff in the milk, the fats and cream are siphoned off are then sold as other products, nearly doubling profits per gallon. Same with eggs (egg white versus whole egg).

OpenID cailcorishev July 28, 2014 6:03 PM  

Or Dogfish Head Imperial IPA @2

Are you sure about that? I was intrigued because Michelob Ultra tastes like stale, watered-down piss; but all the info I can find on this one says 20+ carbs.

Anonymous Michael Maier July 28, 2014 6:08 PM  

JohnS July 28, 2014 4:18 PM @ michael maier
Michelobe ultra dude... 2.6 grams of carbs/bottle. The carb conscious drunkard's choice!


Hahahahaha NO! I'm a total beer snob and proud of it.

Or Dogfish Head Imperial IPA @2

Hmmm... I usually drink IPAs. I might have to look deeper into this... it might just be the damn carbs I munch on while drinking the beer.

I hope so, but I'm still going to keep my discipline and plan as penance for becoming a lardass again.

Blogger RC July 28, 2014 6:57 PM  

It is a tremendous amount of work to eat well these days and to avoid GMO products. We raise our own cattle on grass, buy raw milk and eggs from a neighbor, grind out own wheat, buy chickens from a different neighbor, and have a monster garden. We've turned into freaks, but we're healthy freaks. I tell myself that Shiner beer is organic.

Anonymous Rhys July 28, 2014 7:02 PM  

You're late to the paleo bandwagon Vox but the best example of a scientist getting slapped around was when Denise Minger, an English major with no science qualifications (but a good knowledge of basic statistics and reasoning) tore apart the China Study, one of the biggest and most cited diet studies ever undertaken. http://rawfoodsos.com/the-china-study/

Anonymous Stickwick July 28, 2014 7:06 PM  

Carlotta: Did you nurse while on paleo as well?

I wasn't able to nurse, so, no. I would guess that paleo for nursing would be good, because it's nutritionally so much more dense.

I am pregnant and have been leaning towards paleo as much as I can ( morning sickness).

Congrats. I didn't go paleo during the first trimester, because I had horrible morning sickness. Unfortunately, I found that I could only really tolerate bland simple carbs during that time. Maybe you're finding otherwise?

Anonymous bob k. mando July 28, 2014 7:14 PM  

Josh July 28, 2014 2:42 PM
On observation vs theory: isn't it supposed to be impossible for both the bumblebee and hummingbird to fly?



never heard hummingbirds aren't aerodynamically viable.

they figured out they were wrong about bumblebees a long time ago. they weren't accounting for vortex action and efficiency gains for both wings working against each other when they first ran the numbers.

Blogger Vincent Castrillo July 28, 2014 7:41 PM  

Why again can these clowns not all be class-actioned while cigarette companies are jumping through endless billion dollar claims?? Has heart disease not killed far more people over the years than lung/mouth cancer? Has it not led to the obesity epidemic the Obamas rails about?

This is pathetic, but totally expected. As any male can tell you, go do a heavy set of weights, run around with your kids, then eat a steak or some sugary cereal and tell me which makes you feel better the next day.

How do people consistently not see history repeating and foreshadowing? You can just see a similar doc in 30 years saying "but we all were taught that 47 vaccines in a two week old were ideal....."

Anonymous kfg July 28, 2014 7:56 PM  

"How do people consistently not see history repeating and foreshadowing? "

First they forgot it.
Then they ridiculed it as irrelevant.
Now they deny it ever existed.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 28, 2014 8:45 PM  

Other scientists began wondering why Keys chose to focus on just six countries when he had access to data for 22.

I kept waiting for an explanation. In the absence of any other, we'll have to go with the obvious one, Keys cherry-picked the data intentionally. A pioneer, he was...

Photos of him make him look like a class-A prick. From his biography, he also seems to have been a bit of a huckster who had trouble sticking with any particular endeavor. He was identified as "gifted" as a kid, but dropped out of UC Berkeley's Chemistry program and returned later to get a BA in Econ and Poly Sci. My guess is that he wasn't as smart as people thought, couldn't hack a real science degree, but was enough of a hustler to fake his way through a PhD program once he saw money to be made. I've no proof of that though, it's just a hunch.

(he also invented the K-Ration, which I don't know is to his credit or demerit).

BTW, Keys was an atheist, so, y'know, he was able to do rational science based on the real world instead of getting distracted by mystical beliefs and all that.

Anonymous MaMu1977 July 28, 2014 8:46 PM  

I lived in Europe between 2007-2010. My first year in-country, I maintained a solid/fatty 189 lbs. My second year, I stopped eating american foods and subsisted on food from the local economy. I lost 9 pounds. In my last year, I ate what my temporary countrymen ate (meat and butter for every meal, bread and pastries for breakfast and Sundays, fruit and vegetables as desired) and rode my bike whenever the temperature was <100F or >20F.

I lost 15 pounds of fat, gained 10 pounds of muscle and had visible, runway-model abs. This, despite the fact that I drank 3-6beers on weekdays and my fill of alcohol on weekends. Morning carbs, meat and produce for all other meals is the way (and maybe a weekly risotto or handmade pasta prior to/post-hiking...)

Anonymous Carlotta July 28, 2014 9:42 PM  

Stickwick,
That is exactly what happened. I do ok several days then I can't stomach it and have to have bread lol. I am in my second trimester though and have barely gained anything and hardly any sweet cravings.
I never did low carb during nursing because I was worried about the ketones. I am hoping the paleo goes well though with some slight adjustment.

Thanks for the Congrats. Congrats to you on your sweet one as well :)

Blogger WarKicker July 28, 2014 10:02 PM  

"And when a doctor objects to that, remind them that they still use leeches."

Yep. I still use them. They have saved a few free flaps and several reattached ears after they turned blue from venous congestion. Occasionally use maggots for certain wounds.

Thumbs up for paleo. I've been telling patients for years to cut out the simple carbs.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera July 28, 2014 11:09 PM  

Let them eat beans.

(Plagiarized from Steve Sailer.)

Blogger Ragin' Dave July 29, 2014 12:03 AM  

I've had to change my diet several times over the years, and each time it was to cut even more carbs from what I was eating.

Carbohydrates make fat. Plain and simple. With the typical American life-style, you're not burning enough carbs to prevent it from being turned into fat. Most Americans sit on their ass. If you sit on your ass, all those carbs turn to sugar, which your body stores as fat for "later", but later never comes.

Were it not for scotch, I'd be living a pretty much carb-free diet right now, and I'm healthier than I've ever been in my life.

Anonymous rtp July 29, 2014 1:18 AM  

The science of nutrition pales in comparison to the science of vaccination for out and out fraud and groupthink.

In the case of poor nutrition advice doctors just have to admit they are responsible for people's wide girths. In the case of vaccines they would have to admit they are responsible for the mass poisoning of babies for absolutely no apparent reason.

Anonymous Luke July 29, 2014 1:43 AM  

For the pregnant/nursing mothers here, several key things I've figured out, on top of agreeing with the Paleo Diet:

1) Knock off the soy products beyond perhaps a little soy sauce. That means no soy nuts, TVP, soy protein isolate, tofu, soy milk, soy ("vegetable") oil, etc. Reasons: phytases that block nutrient absorption + estrogen analogs. (Impotence and cancer of the female parts would seem unappealing prospects.)

2) End all cola consumption for the rest of your life. The phosphoric acid makes osteoporosis more likely for you.

3) At least once a day (ideally twice) have a major Calcium input for which you ingest no meat or egg at least an hour (ideally two hours) before and after. The Phosphorus in meat and egg interferes with Calcium absorption (similar valence & ionic radii). Also, it's not so easy to get all the Calcium you need for 24 hours absorbed at a single session. The easiest way to do this IMO is to take Calcium supplements or eat some dairy immediately upon waking, waiting the 1-2 hours before eating meat or egg. (Fruit, more dairy products, cereal, and vegetables all fine WRT this.) Later, do this in reverse, where 1-2 hours before bed, eat no meat or egg, then taking a Calcium source just before sacking out.

4) There is an amino acid called Carnatine that fetuses and young infants use up like crazy. It's nicknamed "Vitamin Bb" ("baby") by some nutritionists because of this.
Beef contains over twice as much Carnatine by weight as most other common meats. For that reason, try to eat some beef (grass-fed much preferred) most days (and give it to your toddlers as often as well).

Blogger JP July 29, 2014 3:18 AM  

Ancel Keys? MOAR Liek Ancel KeyNEs, amirite?

Blogger Cranberry July 29, 2014 7:43 AM  

Carlotta, I'm not strict paleo but I will tell you I was "mostly" for my last two pregnancies and all during nursing my last two babies. I'd say I'm more of a "real food" type rather than paleo, as I'll eat some bread or pizza, but base our diet around meat and vegetables. I am at home, and 95% of my family's meals, snacks, breads, pizzas, you name it, are home cooked so I can be ingredient nazi. I will let the children consume refined sugar now and then if I make them cookies or cake for a special occasion. I make yogurt from raw milk we hop the border into PA to purchase, though milk consumption is decreasing here as a few of us are finding it does our digestion no good.

Don't worry about getting into ketosis while breastfeeding, the ketones won't harm the baby, but I had a problem feeling satisfied with low carb so I added sweet and white potatoes to my diet, and some rice now and then, especially while nursing. Breastfeeding was not a weight loss miracle for me, prolactin can cause appetite increases and slow metabolism (Google prolacting weight gain if you don't believe me). Just focus on eating real food, eat to hunger, and DRINK A METRIC TON OF WATER every day. Breastfeeding dehydrates you like crazy.

Cook as much of your own food as possible, and reverse the "MY PLate" diagram. Make Meat and vegetables about 40/40 of your plate, and bread or dairy products, rice, potatoes, etc. the rest of it. Marks Daily Apple has some good articles on paleo, pregnancy, and breastfeeding. Keoni Galt, the Hawaiian Libertarian blog, wrote about his wife's pregnancy and the subsequent breastfeeding and raising of the Paleo Baby/Toddler - those posts are some of his most popular.

Good luck to you and with your new little one!

Blogger Iowahine July 29, 2014 8:17 AM  

Anyone have thoughts on or experience with "mini-fasting" daily, that is, leaving 15 -16 hours between last and first meal of day?

Anonymous Hunsdon July 29, 2014 9:18 AM  

From the 1957 movie "The DI" with Jack Webb:

You ain't gonna eat no bread, no corn, no pie, cake, desserts of any kind. No whole milk, no beans, no butter, no sugar, no potatoes, candy, ice cream, salad dressing or peanut butter... You came here with nothing but fat. You're gonna leave here with nothing but muscle.

Anonymous Carlotta July 29, 2014 11:16 AM  

Thanks so much Cranberry! Will be looking at all that.

Anonymous Carlotta July 29, 2014 11:18 AM  

Thanks Luke. That certainly explains my lust for steak and burgers while pregnant.

Anonymous kfg July 29, 2014 12:14 PM  

"Anyone have thoughts on or experience with "mini-fasting" daily . . .?"

It's one tool in the box. It's function is to limit hunger. In that role it works well enough if one eats food that satisfies, rather than driving hunger.

Other than that there is no magic in it.

Blogger Cranberry July 29, 2014 2:32 PM  

Carlotta, I also meant to suggest you pick up a copy of the book Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon and Mary Enig. It describes the Weston A. Price Foundation philosophy on food and eating. Gives more lattitude than paleo in that it allows full-fat, preferably raw, fermented dairy, lots of fermented veggies, beans, grains, and meats. Many, many good recipes in there, though I wasn't happy with the sourdough bread. I bake using the Artisan Bread in Five method using 1/4 tsp yeast and letting the bread rise slow and cold overnight in fridge, mimics the effects of sourdough for easy to digest bread.

Me and wheat, not the best relationship, but I bake for my kids and sometimes eat bread with them. It doesn't kill me but its not my best friend. YMMV, but if you're going to home prep all of your food, the Artisan Bread in Five method is wonderful, even if you work you can mix and bake this dough as needed with very little time in the kitchen. Bonus if you can get organic flour or are willing to grind your own from organic whole wheat or spelt or emmer berries - I sometimes think that our problems with wheat are 1) modern hybrids and 2) the fact that crops are sprayed with Round UP to desiccate them prior to harvest, leaving us all poisoned with glyphosate even if the crops aren't MOnsanto GM Round Up Ready. Insidious stuff, that glyphosate.

Anonymous ml July 29, 2014 5:10 PM  

My wife healed from lupis and hypoglycemea via wapf, prayer and alternative med. lost 60 on a high fat diet.

Anonymous Carlotta July 29, 2014 6:31 PM  

Thanks Cranberry. Have the book but need to look into the 5 min bread.

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