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Tuesday, December 13, 2016

It's... it's alive!

ESR is observant, as always, in his reflections on the Alt-Right, but he's a little behind on the evolution of the conservative and libertarian right into the Alt-Right:
I’m worried, however, that that the alt-right may not remain a loose-knit collection of hoaxes – that the self-panickers are actually creating what they fear.

For there is a deep vein of anti-establishment anger out there (see Donald Trump, election of). The alt-right (to the limited and conditional extent it now exists) could capture that anger, and its provocateurs are doing their best to make you think it already has, but they’re scamming you – they’re fucking with your head. The entire on-line ‘alt-right’ probably musters fewer people than the Trumpster’s last victory rally.

It’s a kind of dark-side Discordian hack in progress, and I’m concerned that it might succeed. Vox Day is trying to ideologize the alt-right, actually assemble something coherent from the hoaxes. He might succeed, or someone else might. Draw some comfort that it won’t be the Neo-Nazis or KKK – they’re real fanatics of the sort the alt-right defines itself by mocking. Mein Kampf and ironic nihilism don’t mix well.

The best way to beat the “alt-right” is not to overestimate it, not to feed it with your fear. If you keep doing that, the vast majority of the rootless and disaffected who have never heard of it might decide there’s a strong horse there and sign on.
What ESR is missing, as most of those who consider themselves opposed to the imaginary while simultaneously attempting to understand the nonexistent do, is that attempting to discern the material existence of an abstraction is a fundamental category error.

The Alt-Right is a description of a collection of ideas. People can concur with some, all, or none of those ideas, but the ideas exist on whatever abstract plane that ideas exist regardless of whether anyone believes they are correct or not.

The "dark-side Discordian hack" has already succeeded, indeed, it could hardly fail. The failure of conservatism and the undeniable utopianism at the heart of libertarianism, combined with the obvious collapse of neo-liberalism, meant that an alternative to all three was absolutely inevitable. And the best way to understand the Alt-Right is to view it as the Keynesianism of the Right.

Keynes believed that his economics-based justification for central government control was necessary to prevent the collapse of the early 20th century liberal democracies into communism in the face of economic disaster. I contend that my nationalism-based justification for culturally homogeneous, religiously harmonious ethno-states is necessary to prevent the collapse of early 21st century illiberal multicultural societies into balkanized, totalitarian ethno-states actively engaged in large-scale violence.

The Alt-Right is the strongest horse that the West has got, because it is the only political philosophy that is in harmony with science, history, and reality as we currently observe it. It is the only Western political philosophy that is not intrinsically based in self-delusion. Everyone, especially liberals, would do well to sign on and ride it, or there won't be a West and there won't be any of the various aspects of society that Western liberals like ESR value.

ESR's commenter Erbo sums it up nicely:

It’s been my opinion that the alt-right basically started gaining traction as a thing as the progressive Social Justice Warriors began seeking to expand their influence into new areas, such as science fiction (see: the circumstances leading up to Sad/Rabid Puppies), video games (see: Gamergate), open-source software development (see: this post by Our Host), and even heavy-metal music (see: this description of “Metalgate”). Clearly, they’d like to see their brand of political correctness spread everywhere.

“Always leave your opponent a line of retreat–unless you want a fight to the death.” The SJWs don’t want to leave any lines of retreat. Consequently, it seems inevitable that a group of people, drawing from some of the same groups reacting to the above developments, would decide to band together and proclaim, “If it’s war they want, then war they shall have!”


I'm not an opportunist. I'm not a revolutionary. I just wanted to write my books and design my games and live my life in peace. But SJWs, multiculturalists, diversicrats, and vibrants have collectively rendered that impossible, so now we've got to reset and rebuild Western civilization if we ever want to go back what we were doing in the first place.

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Anonymous Just another commenter December 13, 2016 1:43 PM  

Yep. Exactly. I've tried to explain to lefties I don't know how many times I just want to be left alone, but they just can't do it, and I'm getting really tired of turning the other cheek. I'm fresh outt'a cheeks to turn, in fact. And yet even when I spell out the likely backlash that will eventually come, they still think they are morally righteous in their crusade to regulate and control everyone and everything. They don't get it; they can't help themselves. I don't think they will until its sufficiently painful to them personally.

Anonymous A1 December 13, 2016 1:52 PM  

In the end, they will learn they should have just left us alone. It's too late for them. The war has begun, and I for one, won't stop until they're crushed or embrace the new reality. I'm not alone in that sentiment.

Anonymous 4388 December 13, 2016 1:53 PM  

"Turn the other cheek" is a command not to avenge personal insults.

It is NOT a command forbidding one to defend oneself.

It is NOT a command forbidding one to defend one's family.

It is NOT a command forbidding one to fight the slavering foes of Western Christendom.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper December 13, 2016 1:58 PM  

Whatever else I can say about that article its the first article about the .alt right that is actually intelligent.

Its not 100% spot on but its thought through and basically honest. Quite a surprise.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey December 13, 2016 1:58 PM  

One interesting potential explanation of this mania for control that I've seen (the source escapes me at the moment) has to do with defects in the moral philosophy of progressives. Perhaps they view a version of altruism as the sole moral value, and see it as somehow diminished if you get some satisfaction from the altruistic act, like voluntary charity. Given that, then the most "moral" thing to do is to force others to engage in the proper behavior against their will. It makes a twisted kind of sense, if you accept the initial premise. Anyone remember the source for that?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey December 13, 2016 2:00 PM  

That's @Just another commenter

Anonymous VFM #6306 December 13, 2016 2:02 PM  

Is "Vox Day: The Keynes of the Alt-Right" going on your next book?

Blogger praetorian December 13, 2016 2:05 PM  

“Always leave your opponent a line of retreat–unless you want a fight to the death.”

Exactly. I'm a nice, pussy classical liberal at heart, but the left is making me pick between my sons singing hymns to transsexuality and paying for Travon's seven offspring while being shipped off to die in some middle east hell hole to preserve a country who's people hate me and my religion ORRRRRRR ovens.

So, ovens it is.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor December 13, 2016 2:08 PM  

ESR writes: "You can’t build anything useful and non-toxic out of corrosive snark and nihilism."

First, what makes him so sure of that? Second, what might have begun as snark has become an alt-right ideological core that is infinitely more sound than what conservatives have possessed for the last 50 years. Finally, on the point of calling us nihilists, ESR is deeply misguided and does not fully grasp the nature of what's happening here: we've finally reached the point that a critical mass of people realize that they have nothing left to lose by fighting back.

Anonymous Vermithrax Pejorative December 13, 2016 2:10 PM  

In the near future every country on earth will be either Israel or Zimbabwe.

That's the choice.

Anonymous yoppeh December 13, 2016 2:12 PM  

Francis Parker Yockey wrote:One interesting potential explanation of this mania for control that I've seen (the source escapes me at the moment) has to do with defects in the moral philosophy of progressives. Perhaps they view a version of altruism as the sole moral value, and see it as somehow diminished if you get some satisfaction from the altruistic act, like voluntary charity. Given that, then the most "moral" thing to do is to force others to engage in the proper behavior against their will. It makes a twisted kind of sense, if you accept the initial premise. Anyone remember the source for that?

I can't tell you what the source is that you mentioned, but Stefan Molyneaux has a great new video you might find interesting: "Why Civilizations Rise and Fall".

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor December 13, 2016 2:17 PM  

I’m worried, however, that that the alt-right may not remain a loose-knit collection of hoaxes – that the self-panickers are actually creating what they fear.

Candyman... Candyman... Candyman...

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 13, 2016 2:26 PM  

The conservatives were in the business of propping up the left and scolding rightward, them days are about over. Without the conservatives protecting the Left the Left has been found to be basically a meta sized Trigglypuff physically gross and half witted.

If I were actually on the Left and I wanted to destroy the alt-right I would let a few of the fame whores become paid essayists, throw them a few shekels and some smart badges while calling them the next Buckley or Will and the alt-right would fade.

Blogger GracieLou December 13, 2016 2:33 PM  

@5. I had an illuminating tussle on FB with one who said, "my morality is based on empathy." She used it to justify abortion--since fetuses are gross and invisible to her, therefore it's ok to slaughter them. All the SJWs agreed. They actually "think" that way and lack the imagination to see where it would lead. That tells you they also suck at empathy.

I guess if a person believes morality is based on empathy and they themselves suck at empathy, yet they have a need to feel morally superior, they might be driven to victim hierarchy fanaticism.

Blogger GracieLou December 13, 2016 2:36 PM  

...and also why we're all not EMPATHY!!! 24/7 it's literally nazi Germany and the ovens are heating.

Blogger Latigo3 December 13, 2016 2:37 PM  

Well Vox, you may not be a Revolutionary, but you have gone a long way to open up people's eyes. I have particularly enjoyed how you and others like you have shown how little the "Conservatives" have actually conserved.

Thank you

Blogger 1101doc December 13, 2016 2:49 PM  

War to the knife. We thought- Good. The USSR collapsed. See~ No. They could not see. "It just hasn't been done right by the "right" people idea still flourished.

So now the culture war will be pursued until "The Left" is dead. Completely.

OpenID elijahrhodes December 13, 2016 2:52 PM  

ESRs charge of nihilism is incoherent and factually wrong. It is the left, with its relativist humanist underpinnings, that leads directly to nihilism. The establishment right, while not nihilist, can't stop those forces. The Alt Right is the only coherent oppositional force.

Blogger tz December 13, 2016 2:58 PM  

@5 it might derive from the sermon on the mount where we are warned not to do good deeds for men to see, but it is a stretch. However the greater problem is they wish to do their altruism with your money.

@8 - You can't build anything useful out of nihilism, but you can annihilate something destructive. And SJWs are immune to reason and most rhetoric, but can be eaten by snarks.

This is the crusades in more than one way - we have left our castles of western civilization and chivalry and peace to journey to destroy those who have been our enemies. There are far too many of us to attack directly, so they would single out someone like Eich or Vox and purge him assuming they could continue with lynch mobs. Now it is mob v.s. mob and their moral weakness shows their side is too weak to win even small battles.

@13 calling them the next Buckley or Will they would be swarmed and destroyed like David French and Kristol.

I've called the last 8 years a slow-motion pearl harbor that awakened a sleeping giant. The US really, really, didn't want to enter WW2. But they got Dresden, Tokyo, and Hiroshima. Obamacare covering contraception with a not-a-tax. Gay Marriage. Overturning basic health standards for Abortion clinics. Transgender bathrooms. Muslim refugee families of 5 getting everything paid for while citizens can't make it. They pushed too far. They declared and started a war.

After their destruction or unconditional surrender, we can return to the "leave everyone alone" version. Trump can even have a 2020 Marshall plan to rebuild the left coast and major cities.

Blogger Erbo December 13, 2016 3:09 PM  

Well! I'm pleased to have summed things up so nicely.

I'm also not one of those who wants a fight. And, even if a fight must come, I'd prefer to fight holding actions to preserve what I have (such as with my Erbosoft Project Code of Conduct for open-source projects). But the SJWs don't want to give me that choice.

And, as this Trump supporter makes clear, when you're going to get called "racist" no matter what you do, it leaves you thinking: "These Alt-Right guys are offering a solution. Sure, some of the people that support it may be actual racists, but they're not the ones pissing in my soup."

Blogger tz December 13, 2016 3:09 PM  

The Left also lacks any coherence. I thought they might actually try to regroup and learn from their error, but are now scurrying to suborn electors now the recount backfired (and we knew both would backire).

The Alt-Right and Trump are trying very hard to be magnanimous in victory. And it appears to be mostly working, but if they push too hard they are not going to like the pushback.

Maybe #CalExit - but they don't have enough members in the legislature to stop defunding them if they keep insisting on the virtual secession of sanctuary cities. (I expect Liberty to split from Washington and Jefferson from California too).

Blogger Mighty Lou December 13, 2016 3:12 PM  

The alt-right provides alternative narratives to compete against the false narratives being pushed by the left; that is why alt-right is such a threat to them because controlling the narrative was all they had, and the alt-right took that weapon out of their hands an turned it on them.

Anonymous BluePony December 13, 2016 3:25 PM  

Well, I, for one, have no problem with you or Cernovich or any other making a little extra scratch or extending your brands from a movement. That's the sort of liberty we're fighting to keep. You all just keep getting out the word and pushing others to fight, and no one should care how many Castalia House updates you post.

I was fully black pilled as we entered 2016. The forces arrayed against Trump seemed insurmountable and global in scale. The media was a vast propaganda machine that the legions of fools in this country just nodded their heads at like robot sheep. Hell, I think I still have a few vestiges of the pill in my bloodstream. Once the OMG.RUSSKIE.HAKKERS!! game fails out of the news cycle, what will the scumbags come up with next?

Sites like this and Trump's win have energized me. I'm currently redoing my home computer setup and home office from top to bottom (hardware and software), and I'm looking to blog and shitpost and counter the Progressives (can't we just call them Regressives?) anyway I can. I may even cough up the dough for a fixed IP and experiment with creating some sort of new platform instead of just trying to "alt" an existing one.

It may amount to nothing, but I'm going to try.

Blogger Dirtnapninja December 13, 2016 3:29 PM  

What folks like ESR dont quite grasp is that Alt Right isn't really a movement as is commonly understood. Its a strategy. That's why our opponents are flailing around so badly..they keep looking for something to attack, but cant find anything solid. So they end up punching gas. Then they swing again because the circuitry of their tribe mind is set to subvert organizations and exploit social respectability. The idea that there is no real organization to subvert or that their opponents are as shameless as themselves doesn't register yet.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 13, 2016 3:30 PM  

I prefer the notion that SJW-ism (totalitarian Political Correctness) is the "We Are The World" togetherness and Utopian Universalism of the last couple centuries pushed several leagues beyond sanity.

Universalist credos were never coherent, not for a New York Minute. But when social mood is topping a 300 year rally, the herd is willing to embrace ALMOST anything.

I think men in the girls' locker room was a bridge too far, and trying to normalize pedophilia will get its proponents (justifiably) killed.

The Alt-Right (or just the Right) is simply what is rising to the top as opposition during this initial period of roll-over. If the old guard leftist-lunatics think this is bad, they should wait until Uncle Sammy can't borrow, interest on the debt consumes 100%-plus of tax revenues and the willingness of the dwindling-solvent to bribe the underclass and its handlers will dissolve into "Bullets Cost Less."

Stocks are still rising and there's this much acrimony and tearing of clothes. Imagine stocks are plunging, interest rates are skyrocketing, credit is evaporating, banking news vacillating between Holidays and Bail-Ins, and the EBT system is off more than it's on.

Annie Get Your Gun, indeed. If things go to the depths I consider all but certain, people will embrace ideas that are the polar opposite of PC, but enforced with every bit of the same zeal, maybe more.

Blogger tz December 13, 2016 3:32 PM  

@23 - godspeed.

@22 - exactly. Trump was the brick that shattered the Overton Window. And why Twitter and Facebook are so desperate to prevent views outside the narrative even if they never violate anything.

I'm not sure if it would be possible or prudent, but I'd sure like to fire a torpedo across McConnel's and Ryan's bow. I suspect when the God Emperor tweets to contact them about their apparent reluctance, the accounts and capitol phone system will melt down. Yet again the "Who runs Bartertown?... Louder." scene from Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome comes to mind.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 13, 2016 3:33 PM  

Politicians get elected if their campaign of ten points hits ONE hot button for enough voters. Yet the Alt-Right is too much of a stew of different points to sustain support?

Has this guy ever watched a presidential election cycle?

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Anonymous Beau December 13, 2016 3:40 PM  

The alt-right has arisen out of a conversation with God. The question asked of Him was, "Which group can carry the standard resistant to the lures and tactics of the Left?" The answer, "The most maligned, denigrated and scorned - gamers." Mocked as losers and dwellers in their parent's basements, gamers have no love of their tormentors, know how to worst an opponent, and persevere till they win. "How is this to be accomplished? Although, Lord, they possess the traits to win, what will get them up and at it?" God's response, "I'll show you." We have seen it, Gamergate. It is the glory of God to take the outcast to shame the arrogant.

The epic win accomplished by gamers will be greater than any imagine. When the lies of the ctrl-left are rejected at-large. When freedom of expression is again valued. When dishonest memes are tossed into the ashcan. When truth is hungered for and thirsted after, then the win be done. We will say to our children, "By God's mercy, help, and power, we did it. We give you the truth to keep and pass on."

Glory to God

Blogger dc.sunsets December 13, 2016 3:41 PM  

Can I ask: Are those who are viscerally opposed to Affirmative Action and maintaining any separate-but-legally-superior programs automatically members of the Klu Klux Klan?

Seriously. Is equality before the law, regardless of melanin content or ancestry an automatic designation as racist?

Does this dipshit think I'm invested in a HOAX?

This alone makes me livid.

Anonymous Vermithrax Pejorative December 13, 2016 3:43 PM  

@23

"The alt-right provides alternative narratives to compete against the false narratives being pushed by the left; that is why alt-right is such a threat to them because controlling the narrative was all they had, and the alt-right took that weapon out of their hands an turned it on them."

Exactly. And our narratives can based on the ugly truth because we don't care about the Overton window. We don't care about maintaining pretty lies that save peoples feelings and maintain social cohesion. We may as well speak the truth because the alternative is too ugly to tolerate.

Our numbers may be small but that doesn't matter. Society today is like a supersaturated solution. We're just the seed crystal that precipitates everything. That's what's important. Whether the majority ever considers themselves alt-right or not is beside the point.

Blogger Mighty Lou December 13, 2016 3:51 PM  

Remember SJWs always project. They are the ones pulling the hoaxes, and they know it, well most of them do.

Blogger Desiderius December 13, 2016 3:52 PM  

"ESR is deeply misguided and does not fully grasp the nature of what's happening here"

His commenters are helping him in his ignorance and he seems to be listening, although I suspect that his atheism will ultimately prove a serious stumbling block for him.

Blogger Desiderius December 13, 2016 3:53 PM  

"It is the glory of God to take the outcast to shame the arrogant."

Damn straight.

Preach, Beau, preach.

Blogger Desiderius December 13, 2016 3:54 PM  

Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.
He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.

- Isaiah 53

Blogger Mighty Lou December 13, 2016 3:56 PM  

Yes we can can call them regressives; it's our narrative.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky December 13, 2016 3:58 PM  

In my patch of the earth, Appalachia, the alt-right is very clearly the only reasonable path forward. The Left is out there openly declaring that our way of life is already over, and what remains must be crushed. They want to put everybody on assistance, that was Hillary's plan, be we want independence and freedom we don't want to be slaves. Disgust with the right has been growing like you would never believe.

We had four major industries to sustain us. Coal, tobacco, textiles and furniture manufacturing. The government has actively destroyed every single one of them. They went on moral crusades against coal and tobacco. They signed NAFTA, and almost immediately all the textile mills shut down. Then they handed China "most favored nation" trading status, and actively encouraged it when Chinese state-owned furniture companies hired out our plant managers to show them how to make furniture, then illegally dumped product into the markets until all our firms went under or moved offshore. The economic statistics at my birthplace from 1996-present read worse than the Great Depression. And that was only 11 years.

Now, they have brought the jihad to Roanoke. What has happened in Charlotte and in North Carolina beggars belief. Race riots, grown men in the girls' locker rooms, imported Marxists teaching all over the research triangle, you can't hardly make this stuff up.

There's a war on against us, that is what it feels like, and we're in the crucible. The left openly wants to destroy us with their totalitarian lunacies, and the GOP says, "hey, get a U-Haul", that our towns "deserve to die", and that we are "morally indefensible as a people" <-- those are ALL exact quotes from NRO.

So, what's it going to be for us, how are we to organize ourselves politically in the midst of all this insanity? The hand that has been dealt to us -- dealt -- is the alt-right. It's a matter of self-preservation.

Blogger James Dixon December 13, 2016 4:03 PM  

Oh, and given the title of this post: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VkrUG3OrPc

> ...interest on the debt consumes 100%-plus of tax revenues

It will never reach that point. The debt will be repudiated first. Probably shortly after it hits the 50% mark.

Anonymous Just another commenter December 13, 2016 4:06 PM  

@14 GracieLou - Use that like jujitsu. Because they cannot empathize with anyone to the right of themselves, let alone correctly elucidate the alt-rights positions or thinking, they fail on moral grounds; they are evil.

Blogger James Dixon December 13, 2016 4:09 PM  

> So, what's it going to be for us, how are we to organize ourselves politically in the midst of all this insanity? The hand that has been dealt to us -- dealt -- is the alt-right. It's a matter of self-preservation.

Exactly. This is a war to preserve a people. A people both the left and NRO (but I repeat myself) don't think should be preserved. But it's a people who are used to fighting, aren't afraid of the conflict, and now know the alternative is death. We will win, no matter the cost.

Blogger tz December 13, 2016 4:24 PM  

And the nihilism works to destroy cuckservatives too.

Cuckies need cash to reboot

Anonymous Mulattoboy December 13, 2016 4:49 PM  

"Vox Day is trying to ideologize the alt-right, actually assemble something coherent from the hoaxes."

What this fuckwit is completely unable to grasp is that we who are Alt-Right, Alt-West, etc., are bound by love of freedom. This same freedom that allows us even in common cause to agree to disagree.

Like a typical illiberal, he can't grasp anything outside of a monolithic, nay - religious adherence to groupthink. He can't wrap his head around a group that doesn't think/act/ in lockstep.

Speaking as someone who is miscegenated, I recognize that I enjoy a better standard of living in the white West than I would in the shithole that half my gene pool were brought here from, even if I do suffer the occasional discrimination.

The cognitive dissonance this fact causes his kind is even more delicious when I answer their "Uncle Tom" and "self-hater" slurs with my upraised middle finger.

Blogger Nick S December 13, 2016 4:51 PM  

If leftists succeed in getting the Electoral College to flip the script, things could get surreal faster than we've imagined. Successfully crushing the hopes of 60 million people is highly unlikely, but highly unlikely things happen all the time. I guess we'll know soon enough.

Anonymous MIG December 13, 2016 5:00 PM  

I don’t think the left thinks of themselves as nihilistic insofar as they do subscribe to one rather consistent ethical principle: no one should feel bad about being unequal or excluded. A transgendered person should not feel excluded from a restroom with which he identifies. A minority should not feel inferior because his people are not represented equally among cultural and scientific elites. And so on… I suspect that if you cornered a liberal and asked him what his moral underpinnings are given that they don’t believe in a transcendent source of morality (I am assuming that a typical liberal is an atheist) they would come up with something like a “no one should feel bad” principle. They are pro people feeling good.
At the same time, they don’t give much thought to people feeling bad for reasons other than inequality and exclusion. For example, someone might feel bad because they are not free to speak or explore ideas, or they have to say things they don’t believe in, or they are forced to accept lower standards, or they are charged with collective guilt, etc… These are probably not compelling enough reasons to people who put emphasis on equality and inclusion. They genuinely believe that these principles are conducive to a more cohesive and better-functioning society. This puts me in mind of a very funny short story by Kurt Vonnegut, Harrison Bergeron (on the internet) that tells a tale of a future society where everyone is made equal by force. The funny bit I remember is that smart people had to wear a special earplug through which they received a very loud signal every 20 seconds or so. This was to prevent them from developing their thoughts.
On a different note. Do you think that Trump will do something about transgender bathrooms, or has this train already left the station?

Blogger l' Américain December 13, 2016 5:04 PM  

That is such a spicy may may

Blogger dc.sunsets December 13, 2016 5:09 PM  

@ James Dixon, It will never reach that point. The debt will be repudiated first. Probably shortly after it hits the 50% mark.

I concur, it will be repudiated; that which cannot be paid, will not be paid.

Do you concur with me in the following?
1. Fedgov debt will be the last debt to blow up.
2. Defaulting-on/repudiating all that debt is the same as all that "value" people held simply evaporating.
3. The total of debt is now so large, supporting so much feedback-loop optimism, that its implosion will bring tectonic shifts in politics and society.
4. Just as the St. Louis Fed's graph of Total Credit Market Debt now would NEVER have been believed prior to a couple decades ago, notions people cannot now IMAGINE will be widely accepted.

Blogger Balázs Varga December 13, 2016 5:11 PM  

Exactly this. When they leave you no more room to escape, you fight.

They were not satisfied with tolerating others. We can not just let them be and they will let us be, as we tried to do.

Blogger pyrrhus December 13, 2016 5:11 PM  

@43 The left and the cucks aren't going to mess with the Electoral college, at least this time. That sort of coup would meet with a harsh response, and could have very unintended consequences, such as a Trump dictatorship until things settled down.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 13, 2016 5:12 PM  

@ James Dixon, I should have added a #5:

The repudiation of tens of trillions of dollars of debt in a FIAT monetary system is unalterably deflationary [with the single exception that the debt is "paid off" by literally printing a few $1 trillion dollar bills and handing them off to the Fed (assuming the Fed bought up all the debt in the first place) which is the same as monetizing the debt via literal printing.]

Blogger tz December 13, 2016 5:21 PM  

The term Cuckservative has been Hannitized

I'm not tired of winning yet.

Anonymous Ultra December 13, 2016 5:27 PM  

SJW delenda est!

Blogger Front toward enemy December 13, 2016 5:30 PM  

Your last paragraph is pure gold. It's what I feel.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 13, 2016 6:04 PM  

@50, And we haven't even had the "How do we put these cucks out of their misery for good" meeting yet.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl December 13, 2016 6:19 PM  

I'm not an opportunist. I'm not a revolutionary. I just wanted to write my books and design my games and live my life in peace. But SJWs, multiculturalists, diversicrats, and vibrants have collectively rendered that impossible, so now we've got to reset and rebuild Western civilization if we ever want to go back what we were doing in the first place. - Vox Day

Very much this.

I mean, Lew Rockwell's site is probably one of the closer things (besides here ;) ) that anyone could really get insight into the Alt-Right, which Gottfried and Lind were talking about years ago.

They recognized the "third way" of Libertarianism needed a nationalist, militant branch to seize the infrastructure - not pontificate at hammocks.

In either case, the enemy will never, ever realize that we just wanted to make things (books, art, music, industry) and have leisure unmolested. The SJW told us to die, literally, so we answered back. That's it.

And I do remember my ostracism from the LIBERTARIANS!!! a few years ago when I called for a God-Emperor to seize the Leviathan State and force it to actually protect its Western citizens. They hated me. Heh. Hippies never get it. The fools actually thought that not voting and getting driven out of business by an out of control EPA, EEOC, IRS, Immigrant system was the best option.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl December 13, 2016 6:21 PM  

I meant to say, LRC and Vox Popoli are some of the more clearcut Alt-Right sites out there. That hippies, cuckservatives, and SJWs don't ever bother to look at the centers means their objectives are disingenuous. Which, being Commies, is their main card to play.

Anonymous LastRedoubt December 13, 2016 6:23 PM  

@A.B. Prosper

Whatever else I can say about that article its the first article about the .alt right that is actually intelligent.

Its not 100% spot on but its thought through and basically honest. Quite a surprise.


That generally describes Eric very well. Intelligent, and - however flawed in it, and he does have a couple bugaboos (we all do) - well thought out and dedicated to truth.

Two of his posts well worth reading in any context are "Ethics From The barrel of a Gun" and his blog post on Kafkatraps.

He's also got a very low-BS attitude on crime rate vs IQ (and how that applies to certain demographics), has aknowledged the validity of game, and in at least one case grudgingly came to tentative but unwelcome (to him) thoughts about free societies vs womens rights as he values them.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl December 13, 2016 6:26 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:The left and the cucks aren't going to mess with the Electoral college, at least this time. That sort of coup would meet with a harsh response, and could have very unintended consequences, such as a Trump dictatorship until things settled down.

They wouldn't dare reform it. It would mean an increase of Republican elector votes. Otherwise it would be "popular vote," which just means that a Repub congress could vote in a National Voter ID Law (which I agree with).

tz wrote:I'm not tired of winning yet.

To quote Gavin McInnes: We may have winning AIDS there's so much.

Of course, there's still much to the fight left - but the damn SJWs are so...stupid they fail on themselves without cheating to help them win.

Anonymous Mike Ockurts December 13, 2016 6:36 PM  

"but SJWs, multiculturalists, diversicrats, and vibrants have collectively rendered that impossible, so now we've got to reset and rebuild Western civilization if we ever want to go back what we were doing in the first place."

Which is the ending to the South Park episode "Make Love Not Warcraft."

https://youtu.be/WgvTgV5EoGY?t=2m57s

Blogger Mighty Lou December 13, 2016 6:58 PM  

I don't think the bathroom train has left. I think there are people waiting to bring a fight to the courts when the timing is right, but it's not just bathrooms, it's our schools normalizing trans everything, so no the train hasn't even arrived in my opinion.

Blogger Escoffier December 13, 2016 7:23 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:Can I ask: Are those who are viscerally opposed to Affirmative Action and maintaining any separate-but-legally-superior programs automatically members of the Klu Klux Klan?

Seriously. Is equality before the law, regardless of melanin content or ancestry an automatic designation as racist?

Does this dipshit think I'm invested in a HOAX?

This alone makes me livid.


D.C. where I think you're growing confused is that they were losing with such dignity and you barbarians came in with all your filthy winning like some kind of animal. Now if you would only understand that the real goal is to offer token ineffectual resistance to the ultimate Progressive Borg they could get back to losing.

Blogger James Dixon December 13, 2016 7:25 PM  

> 1. Fedgov debt will be the last debt to blow up.

I'm not certain. Corporate debt has the resale value of the corporation's assets backing it. Federal debt has only the faith in the government. It's not like someone is going to take over the country if they default (though it could lead to someone trying). So I consider that matter uncertain.

> 2. Defaulting-on/repudiating all that debt is the same as all that "value" people held simply evaporating.

Agreed.

> 3. The total of debt is now so large, supporting so much feedback-loop optimism, that its implosion will bring tectonic shifts in politics and society.

Almost certainly.

> 4. Just as the St. Louis Fed's graph of Total Credit Market Debt now would NEVER have been believed prior to a couple decades ago, notions people cannot now IMAGINE will be widely accepted.

People as a general class? Agreed. Some individuals have very good imaginations.

I added the 5 for you.

> 5. The repudiation of tens of trillions of dollars of debt in a FIAT monetary system is unalterably deflationary [with the single exception that the debt is "paid off" by literally printing a few $1 trillion dollar bills and handing them off to the Fed (assuming the Fed bought up all the debt in the first place) which is the same as monetizing the debt via literal printing.]

Agreed.

Anonymous William December 13, 2016 7:36 PM  

While I personally have no interest in current video games, heavy metal, or modern sci-fi, I find it strangely appropriate that these fandoms (not to mention PUA's) have coalesced into the alt-right.

How many times have we read that God uses the humble to shame the proud, the weak to oppose the strong.

Stereotypical, video games, heavy metal, and sci-fi are all hobbies of "basement-dwelling geeks"; the public perception of PUAs is not much better.

It's fascinating to see people from these groups discovering higher callings and loftier goals and actually having real political impact. Interesting times indeed...

Anonymous Eric the Red December 13, 2016 7:52 PM  

@44 MIG..

You are probably correct. Someone whose primary criterion for their philosophy is supposed concern for the feelings of others, should be forced to the next logical step (yes I know, rhetoric is more powerful): if a person is not responsible for their own feelings nor decisions based on them, then they are no longer owners of those feelings. You do not own that which you do not control. If you are not the owner, then feelings no longer belong to you... you have given up any pretense of ownership. If you neither control nor own your won feelings, then you are nothing but an animal, to be given no more consideration than a dog or an aardvark. So rhetorically, they are a dog in the street, and there is no reason in the world why anyone should care about their feelings.

Anonymous Eric the Red December 13, 2016 7:53 PM  

@44 MIG..

You are probably correct. Someone whose primary criterion for their philosophy is supposed concern for the feelings of others, should be forced to the next logical step (yes I know, rhetoric is more powerful): if a person is not responsible for their own feelings nor decisions based on them, then they are no longer owners of those feelings. You do not own that which you do not control. If you are not the owner, then feelings no longer belong to you... you have given up any pretense of ownership. If you neither control nor own your won feelings, then you are nothing but an animal, to be given no more consideration than a dog or an aardvark. So rhetorically, they are a dog in the street, and there is no reason in the world why anyone should care about their feelings.

Blogger Lazarus December 13, 2016 9:11 PM  

Nick S wrote:I guess we'll know soon enough.

I can't imagine (((they))) would be that stupid.

Expect more of this: Anti-Trump Elector Chris Suprun Paid For Ashley Madison While Bankrupt And Married With 3 Kids

Blogger Lazarus December 13, 2016 9:16 PM  

MIG wrote:I suspect that if you cornered a liberal and asked him what his moral underpinnings are given that they don’t believe in a transcendent source of morality (I am assuming that a typical liberal is an atheist) they would come up with something like a “no one should feel bad” principle.

Unexpected consequence of the "Happiness" part of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".

That was really dumb.

"Peace, order , and GOOD government" is less fraught with peril.

Blogger Lazarus December 13, 2016 9:28 PM  

Beau wrote:The alt-right has arisen out of a conversation with God.

There are many indications of a Divine Hand at work recently.

And its not Russian hackers.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 13, 2016 9:31 PM  

@ James Dixon, thanks, sanity checks are an important part of my existence.

Anonymous Didas Kalos December 13, 2016 9:39 PM  

http://www.pursuit-of-happiness.org/history-of-happiness/john-locke/

Interesting read.

Anonymous Didas Kalos December 13, 2016 9:44 PM  

What a loser! http://www.nytco.com/mark-thompson-delivers-speech-on-fake-news/
A fake newser deriding 'fake news.' Now that's news! hehe

OpenID elijahrhodes December 13, 2016 9:51 PM  

Not sure why even those who know better claim Milo is Alt Right. Watching him prattle on about how America is a proposition nation on his live cast just now makes it clear he is as clueless as the average cuck.

Anonymous Pseudonymous Blowhard you'd recognize if I used my normal nick December 13, 2016 10:47 PM  

I have known ESR socially for, oh, 20 years or so now.

He is really, really good at turning ever-more-esoteric abstractions into working software systems.  It's not at all surprising that he has difficulty getting himself out of this mindset regarding society at large, where the average individual is 4SD less intelligent than he and cannot so much as participate in such deep abstractions because, unlike code, they will not follow written rules to the letter.  And given the people he hangs with in his highly-selected milieu, it's not really surprising that he doesn't see the broader picture.  To do that he'd have to put down what he does best and spend a lot of unproductive time repeating research done by others, which would affirm their conclusions.

He's a brilliant software and systems guy.  He's one of our best software minds, period.  But to think that he has anything of value to offer on the social and political dynamics of the Alt-Right versus anything else is a mistake.

Not that pointing out his mistakes isn't a worthwhile exercise.  The ruthless flensing of falsehoods must proceed.

Blogger Wild Man December 13, 2016 10:54 PM  

I still having some struggle fully groking this alt-right.

"The Alt-Right is a description of a collection of ideas."

Yes, obvious to anyone who has taken an interest, but what theme do these ideas coalesce around?

I keep re-reading VD's 16 core principles of the alt-right (to try to grok his conception of it) - and together with the overall narrative of this blogspot, I come away with this central theme:

Alt-right = (9)identity > culture > politics (where identity = nationalism), + (4) western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Graeco-Roman legacy (i.e. - western people as adherents of western culture, naturally believe, as is man's natural self-referentially life-affirming proclivity, that the west is the superior culture, because it is the superior ideology), because: (7) it is anti-equalitarian (i.e - western culture is the superior ideology because it is in the business of promoting meritocracy), + (14) we must secure the existence of white people & (5) homogeneous nationalism is valuable + (8) we embrace the scientodific (i.e. - said superior culture as based on a superior ideology arose via cultural assortment mechanisms dependent on the innate trait characteristics of it's homogeneous individual members, as per the normal distributions of the various trait weightings) + (16) a philosophy that values peace among the various nations of the world and opposes wars to impose the values of one nation upon another as well as efforts to exterminate individual nations through war, genocide, immigration, or genetic assimilation (i.e. - said superior western culture as based on a superior ideology as supported by the trait grouping characteristics of it's homogeneous members is also in the business of peaceful co-existence with other inferior cultures) + (11) diversity + proximity = war; usually within 100 years (which therefore means that maintaining homogeneity by way of separation is a paramount contingent of western culture) + (15) does not believe in the general supremacy of any race, nation, people, or sub-species. Every race, nation, people, and human sub-species has its own unique strengths and weaknesses, and possesses the sovereign right to dwell unmolested in the native culture it prefers (i.e - from a birdseye or God's-eye perspective, western cultural ideology conceptualizes all races of people as possessing indeterminate existential value by the very fact of said existence, for which the future existential conditions are indeterminable, or in other words, the deep ideology of western culture is based upon the western egalitarian principles, as accurately defined, the spirit of which can be summed up as "all men are created equal in the eyes of God").

If I am hereby groking VD's conception of the Alt-Right correctly ..... you will notice that there are some deep contradictions ..... so I still a bit mystified.

Blogger Wild Man December 13, 2016 11:04 PM  

Maybe another more concise way of expressing my struggle in understanding the alt-west theme: - is the Christian message of Jesus meant for the ears of all men so predisposed to listening, or not?

Blogger Nick S December 13, 2016 11:16 PM  

Hopefully, Wild Man, Vox's 16 Points will develop into 16 chapters in the future. A comprehensive disambiguation would be an automatic best seller, if you ask me.

Blogger Wild Man December 13, 2016 11:16 PM  

"It’s been my opinion that the alt-right basically started gaining traction as a thing as the progressive Social Justice Warriors began seeking to expand their influence into new areas"

Or is the alt-right better depicted as simply a reactionary response to SJW BS?

It is pretty clear the SJW agenda is utter BS - so maybe it's better not to be reactionary in response - because the internal logic of the SJW positions are obviously illogical, so a reactionary response may well tend towards the illogic as well, if one is not careful, - so isn't it better to just to continue to point that out, no matter how frustrating that exercise becomes (al la Jordan Peterson for instance)?

Anonymous Jack Amok December 13, 2016 11:25 PM  

The Alt-Right is exactly what it says on the tin - an alternative to the old right which was full of cuckservatives, establishment grifters, and - yes - libertarians unable to close the feedback loop and understand the actual consequences of events.

After decades of the Dems and the GOP marketing themselves as bastions against the perfidity of the other party while larding up the crony capitialist state, the rubes got wise. Because the Democrats are better at political corruption, they managed to rig their nomination for Hillary even though the Bernster was more popular. The GOPe, generally incompetent in these things, failed to keep Trump out. Plus it has been a couple of generations at least since the Left had ideas. The Establishment Right has bungled and bastardized it's own ideas, but they exist.

In part because the Left adopted Alinkyite tactics of shouting down and bullying away any dissenting opinions, people on the Right were far more comfortable having, discussing, and evaluating alternatives to the official narrative.

So the backlash coalesced around Trump, and it's considered "right-wing" because heretical right-wingers were the only ones with any alternatives to more of the failed status quo.

Blogger Wild Man December 13, 2016 11:27 PM  

"I contend that my nationalism-based justification for culturally homogeneous, religiously harmonious ethno-states is necessary to prevent the collapse of early 21st century illiberal multicultural societies into balkanized, totalitarian ethno-states actively engaged in large-scale violence."

The meaning here, behind the depiction of early 21st century multicultural societies as illiberal? - illiberal as in anti-individual or against the upholding of the primacy of self-agency and the personal responsibilities that entails? Because the SJW memes have caught on in these societies? If I am interpreting that passage correctly ...... then how do we know that the SJW BS isn't just a temporary aberration of the illogical?

Anonymous BCD December 13, 2016 11:29 PM  

I think the alt-right falls into ESR's ideological blind spots. He sees the snark directed at the left as nihilistic because he doesn't realize that many see their culture and people as something worth defending. The rhetorical tactics of the alt-right don't reflect the content of their actual beliefs.

The man is pretty clear-sighted, but his libertarianism often makes him miss the obvious. After all, he earnestly believes that contemplating Coase's theorem is enough to make one a libertarian.

Blogger Wild Man December 13, 2016 11:54 PM  

"combined with the obvious collapse of neo-liberalism"

I'm still in the dark about VD's implied meaning of neo-liberalism - the wikipedia entry is really nebulous (and my infogalatic search is still not returning a result), it seems the definition of this term has changed over time and place, and it's use falling in and out of fashion ....... but if the implied meaning is laissez-faire economic policy ..... well the achilles heel for laissez-faire is .... what about banking psychopaths? ........ and from that perspective how is neo-liberalism in collapse? - I don't think there has been precautionary moves towards the types of banking regulations that reign in banking psychopaths.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 13, 2016 11:54 PM  

It's not a bad op-ed but it's only about 75% right. ESR's lack of familiarity with the movement proper really shows.

Blogger MycroftJones December 14, 2016 12:03 AM  

@80 ESR is very familiar with the movement. But he comes at it from the point of view of a warlock who has founded a number of covens, who considers "faith" his enemy, and who has channeled the god of fear and lust, "Pan" at various times in his life. According to his own published writings, that is.

Blogger MycroftJones December 14, 2016 12:04 AM  

Considering that faith in Scripture should actually be translated as "confidence", and that "fear/panic" is the exact opposite of confidence, and that ESR channels Pan, the god of fear/panic, it makes sense that "confidence" is his enemy... it is the antidote to fear and panic.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 14, 2016 12:21 AM  

Regardless of all that, the picture he paints is years old. The loose coalition of griefers has already been radicalized into a core of extremists. Posing as pranksters is for plausible deniability now.

Blogger MycroftJones December 14, 2016 12:29 AM  

Aeoli... not that he is painting a years old picture. But he knows the real score, and is subtly working his own magic to try to shift reality away toward his own favored outcome. If you've been following Scott Adam's blog about persuasion and reality shifting, you'll see exactly what ESR is trying to do.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 14, 2016 12:30 AM  

The most important question in my mind at this point is, who done it? And why, out of a field of perhaps 100,000 potential choices, did Trump pick Rex Tillerson?

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 14, 2016 12:32 AM  

MycroftJones wrote:Aeoli... not that he is painting a years old picture. But he knows the real score, and is subtly working his own magic to try to shift reality away toward his own favored outcome. If you've been following Scott Adam's blog about persuasion and reality shifting, you'll see exactly what ESR is trying to do.

I don't believe that for a second. His motive here is amateur anthropology.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 14, 2016 12:36 AM  

I'm reminded of when Vejiortan described "Americans" without understanding that vast swathes of the South are not on board with the corporate vision.

Anonymous RabidRatel December 14, 2016 12:50 AM  

Beau wrote:The alt-right has arisen out of a conversation with God. The question asked of Him was, "Which group can carry the standard resistant to the lures and tactics of the Left?" The answer, "The most maligned, denigrated and scorned - gamers." Mocked as losers and dwellers in their parent's basements, gamers have no love of their tormentors, know how to worst an opponent, and persevere till they win. "How is this to be accomplished? Although, Lord, they possess the traits to win, what will get them up and at it?" God's response, "I'll show you." We have seen it, Gamergate. It is the glory of God to take the outcast to shame the arrogant.

If you take a careful read through the bible, you will see that God choose those that are the weakest and most despised, and use them to destroy the mighty. So yes, this is definitely a sign that He is involved.

Remember, also, that He will choose even atheists and agnostics to do His will. That is why we must keep firing left. Just duck, sometimes, because some are more right than others, and that can make you feel like you are drawing friendly fire.

Blogger MycroftJones December 14, 2016 1:22 AM  

Remember that town where the water became undrinkable? Just like plague 1, water turns to blood. Then the whole pepe/kek thing. Plague of frogs. That is the second plague. Anyone else wonder if plagues 3 and 4 will make an appearance? (Referring to the Exodus story now)

Blogger MycroftJones December 14, 2016 1:23 AM  

Aeoli, are you aware of ESR's background in doing magickal workings? Don't rule this out as "amateur anthropology" so quickly.

Anonymous Starforged December 14, 2016 2:12 AM  

I am curious as to what a "culturally homogeneous religiously harmonious ethno-state" looks like in your minds. Imperial Japan? Sweden prior to multiculti?

Anonymous zyezek December 14, 2016 2:32 AM  

Essentially, the reason we need an 'alt' right is that almost all of the widely adopted political ideologies of the current West- both 'left' and 'right'- descend from a centuries-old common ancestor that isn't aging gracefully.

Namely, they all descend from classical liberalism. And one of the core weaknesses of classical liberalism is that it is a self-proclaimed 'rational' belief system built on premises that are anything but. In fact, some of them are demonstrably false. Jefferson might've said "all men are created equal" and civil rights are 'inalienable', but try telling that to one of the slaves on his plantation.

The alt-right can address this problem head-on. It can show that it is possible to have a coherent, sane argument for things like personal liberties & limited government without retreating into some Ayn Rand, Adam Smith, or Karl Marx fantasy-land that bears about as much resemblance to the real world as your average Dr. Seuss story.
It can show once again that it is possible to both sane & good, that to support freedom doesn't require embracing delusion.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl December 14, 2016 2:38 AM  

@92
I think this is where the Western framing comes in - I would say that "classical Liberalism" can only survive in a Western culture, and more specifically, the British-German culture (Christian with a foundation of Hellenistic philosophy) of the early United States.

This, as far as I can see it, is the major argument of the Alt-Right or Alt-West - that classical liberalism only works in high trust, western societies. Low trust, low IQ societies (ahem, Muslim? Communism?) merely see it as a tool for autocracy.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl December 14, 2016 2:40 AM  

Edit to above: Western society is, of course, not restricted solely to the United States nor British-German fusion culture. Was an example.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit December 14, 2016 3:34 AM  

GracieLou wrote:I guess if a person believes morality is based on empathy and they themselves suck at empathy, yet they have a need to feel morally superior, they might be driven to victim hierarchy fanaticism.

Exactly, and this is what makes them so enslaved to the msm/elite/POTB narrative: they know they should be a nice person but they don't know how so they look for an external justification for their actions.

For some reason (fear, stupidity, cowardice, psychopathy) they fail to realize that their narrative is detached from reality and achieving the opposite results to what they claim.

cf violent, anti-fa with their faces hidden attacking people while claiming they are the fascists.

Blogger VD December 14, 2016 4:06 AM  

or in other words, the deep ideology of western culture is based upon the western egalitarian principles, as accurately defined, the spirit of which can be summed up as "all men are created equal in the eyes of God").

Give it up, Wild Man. I already told you that you're full of it. You keep trying to work your false narrative of Western civilization being based on equality in there, which a) is not true, and, b) the Alt-Right openly opposes.

If I am hereby groking VD's conception of the Alt-Right correctly ..... you will notice that there are some deep contradictions ..... so I still a bit mystified.

You're not. There are no deep contradictions, you're simply either a) a liar, or b) a stubborn idiot.

Blogger VD December 14, 2016 4:11 AM  

Aeoli... not that he is painting a years old picture. But he knows the real score, and is subtly working his own magic to try to shift reality away toward his own favored outcome. If you've been following Scott Adam's blog about persuasion and reality shifting, you'll see exactly what ESR is trying to do.

ESR is smart. He's an interesting and talented man. But he's not quite as smart as he thinks he is and he doesn't understand that he's a social simpleton. He's emotionally driven by his fear of religion in general and Christianity in particular.

Naturally, he puts this down to his being more sane and rational than everyone who is religious.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor December 14, 2016 4:32 AM  

"ESR is smart."

Not smart enough to fall in line, though.

Blogger VD December 14, 2016 4:55 AM  

Not smart enough to fall in line, though.

He will. Breaking through the social programming one doesn't even realize has been an influence is difficult. He is too intellectually honest and too invested in his sense of his own rationality to fail to do so eventually.

Anonymous Bz December 14, 2016 5:03 AM  

Actually, ESR seems a bit out of touch to me. Not to mention he's against the alt-right, of course.

"The best way to beat the “alt-right” is not to overestimate it, not to feed it with your fear." etc

Perhaps it's the DUDE WEED LMAO.

I think furthermore he's taking (((Scott Alexander's))) point about there being just a few thousand alt-righters too seriously. That was just a way for the left to dismiss the movement, but conveniently omits the part where some people actually fought back, raised morale and showed the voters that they had more choices than Wire Mother Hillary or Smarmy ¡Jeb!. And look what happened.

Also, it's funny that the Overton window has shifted so far now that ...

"That is a separate observation from any judgments about immigration control, which I think is only incidentally an alt-right issue in the same way every other specific policy idea is incidental."

... having concerns about immigration, the driving force behind most of this, is now just plain common sense. Nothing unacceptable racist KKK holocaust about it, what are you talking about? Well.

Anonymous Bz December 14, 2016 5:11 AM  

My concerns with the alt-right at this time is that it looks like everyone is just sitting back and sort of celebrating, while the media are spinning 'fake news' and the cuckservatives are busily trying to swarm Trump's government.

The best time to push back is when the enemy are routed or at least retreating. Take some scalps. Push for some unacceptable laws to be implemented. Blow up some SJW-friendly monuments. Do an interview with CNN and spray the reporter with shaving cream. Get SJW students and professors and admins ejected for their activities. At least start questioning what has been going on.

The establishment is already regrouping. No time like the present, friends.

Blogger VD December 14, 2016 5:29 AM  

My concerns with the alt-right at this time is that it looks like everyone is just sitting back and sort of celebrating, while the media are spinning 'fake news' and the cuckservatives are busily trying to swarm Trump's government.

That's complete and utter bullshit. The only people who are "celebrating" are those who still "aren't sure" if they can even call themselves Alt-Right. No one, from Richard Spencer and the TRS guys to the Alt-Lite, has slowed down in the slightest. The Alt-Tech is advancing with leaps and bounds.

I'll have two political books out by June next year, one solo and one with a co-author.

What, exactly, are YOU doing?

Anonymous Bz December 14, 2016 5:43 AM  

All praise to Richard Spencer, even if it was inadvertent. I was concerned to see so many immediately folding and disavowing, even though we all seen the same routine before. Thankfully, the ship righted itself after a few days. TRS (Daily Shoah) has mostly coasted since the election, but they got Spencer right at least.

As for myself, apart from the occasional comment, hopefully well-judged, I have in my working life mostly argued against grants to what I consider poisonous leftists lacking merit. Not much, and I don't claim nor will get any credit for that nor as a political worker for the alt-right, but there you are.

Anonymous Bz December 14, 2016 5:55 AM  

For the American alt-right readers, I would sincerely recommend not to lose sight of all those legal and illegal immigrants, anchor babies, the Wall, sanctuary cities and so on. Everyone in the news now is so eager to chatter about recounts and infrastructure stimulus spending and who from GS gets appointed and making peace and appeasing the aggrieved leftists and whatnot.

Don't be forgotten.

OpenID ymarsakar December 14, 2016 8:08 AM  

I just wanted to write my books and design my games and live my life in peace. But

Congratulations on becoming your enemy then. Since your enemy was too hard for you to defeat, you just decided to adopt their methods and sold your soul for evil and material riches. Anyone can understand that choice. People in high IQ societies are known for their pettiness, their accelerated back biting back stabbing learning rates, and their ability to counter human flaws with more human flaws. It comes from a fundamental flaw in the human mind, that a high IQ merely amplifies instead of healing it. They become mal adjusted or ill adjusted, as various papers by high IQ Prometius and Triple Nine members once wrote about.

As for the Cult of Putin, the Czar of Russia and the Patriarch of Russia is formulating this State Christianity that VD loves so much. If VD dislikes the Catholic Pope so much, he should consider joining the side that he is theologically and ideologically allied with.

The more you try to use science to mold human nature, the more you fall into the error of the Tower of Babel, and the more obsolete your theories of reality become in the future.

All these Golden Sachs boys in Trum's DC, is a solid bargain in return for getting rid of Cruz and his wife. The players get played and hustled, because they are the best ones to con.

If you thought fighting SJW human trash rejects was difficult, VD, you'll be interested to know that fighting the Leftist alliance, disciples of Christ, various churches, the Islamic Jihad, DC status quo powers, and conservative militias attached to clans like the Bundies, are going to be a little bit more difficult than your Easy Mode so far.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl December 14, 2016 8:39 AM  

@105

You're totally correct. The Alliance of Putin, the Pope, the Conservative Militias, Ted Cruz, and Islamic Jihad will crush us.

However, you forgot the Jesuits, the Rosicrucians, MI6, Mossad, the Hungarian Boyars, Roger's Rangers, the 101st Airborne Division, the March of Dimes, and the Winchester Brothers.

We're so gonna lose. I mean, Dean Winchester had the Mark of Cain and Sammy did beat Lucifer.

Anonymous Evolyn December 14, 2016 1:13 PM  

It also does not help the SJW's plight to have picked on a group of people whose declared and beloved hobby is ... war games and killing (virtually).

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 14, 2016 1:21 PM  

MycroftJones wrote:Aeoli, are you aware of ESR's background in doing magickal workings? Don't rule this out as "amateur anthropology" so quickly.

Yeah. I'll moderate my opinion by saying that people who get too involved in that nonsense lose track of the difference between conscious objectivism and subconscious subjectivism. But I expect he was wearing his "Superlatively Rational Person" hat when he wrote this.

Anonymous Discard December 14, 2016 2:13 PM  

105. ymarsaker: "The more you try to use science to mold human nature..."

Not to mold, but to advance our understanding of human nature. It is not us, but the SJWs who use bad science to try to mold human nature. Like Bruce Jenner is a woman kind of bad science.

Blogger Thucydides December 14, 2016 2:32 PM  

@5

The person who wrote a great deal about the falsehood of altruism was Ayn Rand. While she may not have thought through all her positions to their logical conclusions there is a distinct root of Alt-Right thought reaching to Objectivism.

@65

"Peace, order and good government", which is the object time of the British North America Act (Canada's founding document) suffers from the lack of clear definition. Indeed, who gets to define "good" is really the issue which Canadian Alt-Right supporters will have to struggle with, since the tools of governance have been even more heavily corrupted and controlled by Ctrl-Left Progressives at all levels than in the United States.

If the PTB insist the "New Order" of globalization, climate alarmism and SJW thought policing is "Good", there are few legal mechanisms in Canada to change this or stop it from being imposed on us. At least with Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, it is contingent on the individual to decide what they are and how they are to be achieved, not the State or the collective.

Blogger André Sanchez December 14, 2016 2:35 PM  

"I'm not an opportunist. I'm not a revolutionary. I just wanted to write my books and design my games and live my life in peace. But SJWs, multiculturalists, diversicrats, and vibrants have collectively rendered that impossible, so now we've got to reset and rebuild Western civilization if we ever want to go back what we were doing in the first place."

I second that.

Blogger James Dixon December 14, 2016 10:36 PM  

> ...thanks, sanity checks are an important part of my existence.

De nada. I come here because I learn things. If I can be of any help to others, so much the better.

> Is the Christian message of Jesus meant for the ears of all men so predisposed to listening, or not?

Yes, Matthew 28:19

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost

> so isn't it better to just to continue to point that out, no matter how frustrating that exercise becomes

It's hard find time to point things out when you don't have a job, which is their goal for all of us.

> My concerns with the alt-right at this time is that it looks like everyone is just sitting back and sort of celebrating, while the media are spinning 'fake news'...

Not hardly. The "fake news" meme is being turned against them even as they trot it out.
It's now routinely used to describe the Post, the Times, ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN. They barely came up with the idea and it's already being turned against them. And their "the Russians did it" is being widely ridiculed far and wide.

And the cuckservatives are busily trying to swarm Trump's government.

And failing miserably. About the best they've been able to manage is Perry as energy secretary.

> The best time to push back is when the enemy are routed or at least retreating.

What part of "he's not in office yet" is escaping you? The time will come, but he can't do those things yet. Things like the Carrier deal, IBM hiring announcements, the Taiwan call, and press meeting, and the tech CEO meeting will have to do for now.

> Congratulations on becoming your enemy then. Since your enemy was too hard for you to defeat, you just decided to adopt their methods

Idiot. Tactics are not strategy or goals.

> and sold your soul for evil and material riches.

Vox is not evil and he already had enough money. That's not why he's doing this.

> All these Golden Sachs boys in Trum's DC

Kindly notice that none of them are still with Goldman Sachs.

> However, you forgot...

He forgot the Mouseketeers and Junior Woodchucks too.

> If the PTB insist the "New Order" of globalization, climate alarmism and SJW thought policing is "Good", there are few legal mechanisms in Canada to change this or stop it from being imposed on us.

"When, in the course of human events..."

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 14, 2016 11:02 PM  

What it all came down to fir me was this: I am not going to lie to make you or anyone else feel better.

Like any other sinner, I have lied for any number of crass and self-serving reasons. But in critcal matters, matters of Faith and Truth, a lie is Death. We can smell the corpse, and I am not going to pretend it is dancing.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 14, 2016 11:08 PM  

Congratulations on becoming your enemy then. Since your enemy was too hard for you to defeat, you just decided to adopt their methods and sold your soul for evil and material riches.

Dear United States, congratulations on becoming you enemy in 1942. Since your Nazi Germany was too hard for you to defeat, you just decided to adopt their methods and sold your soul for evil and material riches.
Sincerely, yarmarsarkar.

Blogger Wild Man December 15, 2016 1:54 AM  

VD - you said - "Give it up, Wild Man. I already told you that you're full of it. You keep trying to work your false narrative of Western civilization being based on equality in there, which a) is not true, and, b) the Alt-Right openly opposes."

VD - you also said - "You're not (mystified). There are no deep contradictions, you're simply either a) a liar, or b) a stubborn idiot."

VD - In all fairness, I don't think anything I said implies that I am lying and therefore trolling and baiting around supposed mystification. My mystification with regards to fully groking the alt-right (particularly your conception of it) is real - and I am making a real effort to try and understand your position on this - and by way of this effort I have observed some deep contradictions ..... and these are the source of my mystification (nothing weird going on here with me - just straight forward rational discussion is what I am hoping for).

I also think you are wrong about anything I said implying I'm a stubborn idiot (but they all say that - right?) - but I try to be open minded and we'll see - I'm always hoping to learn something new, and maybe you will point me in that direction, but "idiot"! .... you know what they say about extraordinary claims .... but hey maybe you will show me something worthy of a face palm slap sufficient of the "idiot" voice-over. If so I will do my best to admit it!

Here are the reasons for my counter-claims:

1)Your claim that I keep trying to work in a particular narrative around western civilization, namely that it is partly based on some sense of equality, is true in general, with respect to many of the comments I have posted on previous threads - i.e. - I do believe that as per the 4 underlying precepts of the western egalitarian as I have defined, particularly as per precepts #1 + #2 ..... some sense of existential ontological equality does arise, by way of each man and woman enjoying, or perhaps suffering if you like, the same existential and ontological conditions around the operation of self-agency - namely the belief in the ever present power to choose, and the belief in the implied personal responsibilities that entails. In a previous thread I have outlined these 4 underlying precepts of this conception of the western egalitarian, which I could copy and paste here again on this thread if you like. You say it is not true (you are contending that there is no such sense of human equality - I discern you judge this as a fallacy) but you have not yet engaged as to precisely why the common existential ontological conditions of personhood do not support some sense of equality, so .... how can I possibly know your mind on this, if you don't engage on this topic and tell me? I assume your judgment as to the fallacious nature of my contention also conditions your conception of the Alt-Right. As such I trust you now see that this absolves me of the charge of lying about my mystification about your conception of the alt-right ..... now implying perhaps, that the charge, by default, is instead one of "stubborn idiot".

Blogger Wild Man December 15, 2016 1:55 AM  

2)OK - You think I am a stubborn idiot for reasons that I am apparently too dense to see, I guess you are implying. Well humor an implied underling (by intellectual brilliance standards) then, good sir. Please now address my quandary. My prior discussion with respect to the underlying precepts #1 + #2 of the western egalitarian, as defined, implies some sense of existential ontological equality does arise by way of the condition of personhood. People are the same in some sense. The necessary conditions of personhood implies a sense of categorical equality. What are the necessary conditions of personhood? We all are going to die. Well prior to adulthood we all come to know this existential fact. We all are faced with the same challenge ..... as to grok the best way to conduct one's life. We each sense and undertake this challenge because of our common human belief in self-agency and the personal responsibility so implied. Where is this conception of the categorical equality of the existential ontological nature of personhood fallacious?

3)Your more direct claim, that the particular narrative around western civilization that I have implied, namely that it is partly based on some sense of equality (as discussed in #2 above), is actually OPENLY opposed by the Alt-Right, is also, more directly, mystifying, given #(15) of your outline of the Alt-Right principles (i.e. - The Alt Right does not believe in the general supremacy of any race, nation, people, or sub-species. Every race, nation, people, and human sub-species has its own unique strengths and weaknesses, and possesses the sovereign right to dwell unmolested in the native culture it prefers.) Well what is the negation of supremacy so implied? Given that you stated principle #(15) in terms of racial/national existential preservation - does it not imply the negation of supremacy so implied, is some sense of equality (given what we know about the operation of darwinian evolution)?, and furthermore via the paraphrase of the embrace of the scientodific (alt-right principle #8) I provided in comment #72 above, the racial/national cultural profile is obviously contingent on the the make-up of the in-group individuals ..... and as such, the sense of darwinian existential equality implied by the principle of racial/national existential preservation as implied by Alt-Right principle #(15), is contingent on the make-up of the individuals ....... now what precise qualities expressed at the individual level might well account for said cultural darwinian existential equality implied by the principle of racial/national existential preservation? - well the categorical equality of the existential ontological nature of personhood is certainly a good candidate to account for that - is it not? Or, more succinctly ......the spirit of which can be summed up as "all men are created equal in the eyes of God", or the spirit of which could also be summed as "perhaps even God knows not (and certainly no man can know) the future existential conditions of nations and races". So VD - please tell me precisely how I am a stubborn idiot by way of being too dense to see how your conception of the Alt-Right is OPENLY opposed to some sense of human equality?

Blogger Wild Man December 15, 2016 1:56 AM  

4) Now ...... if you happen to now agree with the conceptions around some sense of human equality that I have now repeatedly outlined, here and in prior threads, (which aren't my original conceptions in any event - these are simply the western egalitarian principles of the enlightenment period - wasn't it John Locke that fleshed out these ideas?) ...... then ....VD some of your conclusions don't follow. After interfacing with you here a bit, I have come to find out that you write as if you are much in favor of the eternal separation of the human races ..... as opposed to the view that a prudent approach, at this juncture, for the west, would be to slow down (or hold fast in the U.S.) on cultural dilution of western culture, by members of other cultures, so as to consolidate the western cultural gains, but without yet making any firm philosophical conclusions that the meritocracy promoted by the western egalitarian, can or cannot be promoted elsewhere, and that also for prudence-sake ..... it would be wise to concurrently promote that nevertheless (al la Ron Paul), because if such could take hold elsewhere ..... this would be the best probable outcome for the humanity juggernaut (so for goodness sake - we should try the most beneficial possible idea first). And that doesn't mean shoving it down non-western nations throats - neocon-style. And it certainly doesn't mean promoting the tyranny of the globalist crowd (who are elitists that think that elite hierarchical control of humanity is the correct future - because they are idiots who think they are smarter than everybody else, they actually treat the public like we are idiots, and this contemptuousness ..... we have seen both fascists and marxists go down this road already so we already know this agenda is utter BS and completely antithetical to the western cultural ideals. No .... what we must try, concurrent with consolidation of western cultural gains ..... is to finally LEAD BY EXAMPLE! But VD - you don't counsel that ... you counsel isolationism .....because you think the tribal always trumps meritoriousness ...... but you don't know that .... unless you can refute the conceptions around some sense of human equality ..... so let's see if you do (and also note, your choice of the phrase "human sub-species" within Alt-Right principle #(15), is unwarranted unless you can provide this refutation).

5) Also note that if you do successfully refute the conceptions around some sense of human equality as outlined above, then you will have to drastically modify Alt-Right principle #(4) (i.e. - The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Graeco-Roman legacy.) The meritocracy implied by the western egalitarian of the enlightenment, is the Graeco-Roman philosophical legacy. And as well, Christianity implies that the Christian message of Jesus is meant for the ears of all men so predisposed to listening, however your conception of the Alt-Right does not.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 15, 2016 3:38 AM  

@Wildman,
Yes you are an idiot. Equality is explucitly contrary to Western thought ESPECIALLY Graeco-Roman thought, but also particularly where you try to link it at the Enlightenment. Most Enlightenment writers, when the mention the topic at all, considered duskier races to be little more than animals, and women to merely be sex partners, nothing more. If you see Egalutarianism in any thread of mainstream Western thought before 1800 or so, YOU PUT IT THERE YOURSELF.

So fuck off and stop clogging up my blog reading with 1000 word idiot screeds that merely re-iterate you idiot assertions unfounded in history, philosophy, economics, biology, human experience, art or science.

You'stupid and worse, tiresome, you monomaniacal, uneducated, self-regarding Gamma moron.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl December 15, 2016 3:48 AM  

@118 Snidely Whiplash

I bet Wildman owns a Prius and lets everyone know it.

Blogger James Dixon December 15, 2016 5:59 AM  

Wildman, when someone sees the length of your post, they're going to just scroll past it. I didn't even bother to read the last 3. Again, using 50 words when one will do does not add to the conversation.

He's beginning to remind me of Asher, though at least he doesn't claim to be smarter than everyone else the way Asher did.

Blogger James Dixon December 15, 2016 6:04 AM  

However, quickly scanning the one post, I see this.

> And as well, Christianity implies that the Christian message of Jesus is meant for the ears of all men so predisposed to listening, however your conception of the Alt-Right does not.

Yes, it does. The fact that you can't discern that is your problem, not his.

Blogger Wild Man December 15, 2016 9:53 AM  

Snidley Whiplash - you said "Equality is explucitly contrary to Western thought ESPECIALLY Graeco-Roman thought, but also particularly where you try to link it at the Enlightenment. Most Enlightenment writers, when the mention the topic at all, considered duskier races to be little more than animals, and women to merely be sex partners, nothing more. If you see Egalutarianism in any thread of mainstream Western thought before 1800 or so, YOU PUT IT THERE YOURSELF."

Look - you are baldly mistaken about John Locke. I'm not wrong, and so you are. But a more interesting consideration for you perhaps - suppose you are right and I am wrong - then why are you not asking VD to edit Alt-Right principle #15 accordingly?

Blogger Wild Man December 15, 2016 9:55 AM  


James Dixon - you said "Yes, it does (i.e. - the Alt-Right DOES SUPPORT that the Christian message of Jesus is meant for the ears of all men so predisposed to listening, despite their culture or origin) . The fact that you can't discern that is your problem, not his."

Look - if so, then that implies some sense of equality among men of different cultures. If it is not the the categorical equality of the existential ontological nature of personhood, as I have outlined, then what is it?

Blogger Wild Man December 15, 2016 10:12 AM  

DemonicProfessorEI - you said "I bet Wildman owns a Prius and lets everyone know it."

I suppose you are implying I am a west coast collectivist in outlook. But clearly I am not. Read again what I think of the globalist agenda. The west coast collectivist outlook, as poisoned by the PC-speak of the SJW crowd, are dupes to the SJW pawns, who in turn are mercilessly abused by the globalist-elitists, who don't believe any of that crap, because they instead think they are smarter than everyone else and therefore possess the natural rights of global leadership. Obama hisself is good representation of this elitist mindset. Truth is Obama is contemptuous of the people (but gives a pretty passable rhetorical oration to the contrary). But 12 years is too long (he gained ascending power via that 2004 Democratic Convention speech) - he can't keep his psychological tactics hidden any longer - the gig is up Not hard to see that about him and others now.

If I am pointing all this out - then how exactly am I the kin of the west coast collectivist mindset? - and since it's clear I'm not - perhaps it's best to reconsider how I claim I know these facts - I know these facts by way of my support of western cultural ideals...... which then implies there is much more to these ideas and ideals than perhaps you are crediting them for.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 15, 2016 12:15 PM  

Wild Man wrote:suppose you are right and I am wrong - then why are you not asking VD to edit Alt-Right principle #15 accordingly?
Okay. But first you will blow me.

Blogger James Dixon December 15, 2016 7:53 PM  

> Look - if so, then that implies some sense of equality among men of different cultures.

For those still reading, commonality does not equate to equality. All dogs are dogs. But a German Shepard is not equal to a Poodle.

Blogger Patriotic Canadian December 18, 2016 6:48 PM  

I don't have any cheeks left for them to strike but I have a couple for them to kiss if they insist on intruding on my life.

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