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Monday, December 19, 2016

The Mandela Effect

Keoni Galt remembers history differently. Have you, too, experienced the Mandela Effect?
When I searched for "Mandela Effect" on Infogalactic, I got automatically redirected to the page entitled Confabulation.

In psychiatry, confabulation (verb: confabulate) is a memory disturbance, defined as the production of fabricated, distorted or misinterpreted memories about oneself or the world, without the conscious intention to deceive.[1] Individuals who confabulate present incorrect memories ranging from "subtle alterations to bizarre fabrications",[2] and are generally very confident about their recollections, despite contradictory evidence.[3]

Given the lack of any content of the Discussion page for the entry, I suspected the content and the auto-redirect of my search terms originates with Wikipedia's propaganda information control psyops before Infogalactic forked it. So I did the exact same search at Wikipedia and sure enough, on the Talk page, I found the following:

I returned to Wikipedia to post my rejection to Wikipedia rewriting the definition of the term "Mandela Effect" to replace the meaning of the term with a critical explanation for it. I discovered that the page has been removed altogether and that the term now brings one to this article, which doesn't even mention the term in it at all (yet this page is linked by the term.)  - Neurolanis (talk) 10:05, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Having only quickly skimmed over the topic after briefly encountering it while surfing through the fever swamps of my favorite haunts on the lunatic fringes of teh Interwebz, I decided to try and figure out what exactly this is all about.

The consensus has been manufactured and T.H.E.Y. have spoken. So let it be written re-written, so let it be done. If you clearly and distinctly remember the Berenstein Bears as I do, you must certainly be confabulating.

Certainly it can't be an organized CONSPIRACY THEORY for the Government-Corporation-Foundation-NGO-Banking Cartel Industrial Complex and their useful idiot status whores and establishment cucks to collectively gaslight we the sheeple and make us think we are all losing our minds!

Snopes goes on to reference the more popular misformed disinformation memes that have been propagated to explain it all...the "woo-woo territory" that Snopes references involves ideas like parallel universes and virtual realities. It's a whole new world of conspiracy theory for us Whackaloon Conspiritards to 'sperg on!

According to the top Google search results, Wikipedia, Snopes, and the top meme's found on a Google image search, it has ALWAYS BEEN The Berenstain Bears, and the only scientifically approved explanation for why you and I and so many other people remember it differently is mass mistaken memory!
I can't speak for anyone else, but this is how I remember the following details:
  • Nelson Mandela did NOT die in prison during the 1980s. How would he have ever become President of South Africa if he had?
  • Han shot first.
  • Stormtroopers are clones of Boba Fett's father. They're not cowardly Africans.
  • Berenstein Bears. Why would anyone ever pronounce "stain" as "steen"?
  • Fruit Loops. I even remember the change as distinctly as if Kellogg's were to change the name of another cereal to Special G tomorrow.
  • The line is "Luke, I am your father."
  • The lion laying down with the lamb rather than the wolf living with the lamb in Isaiah 11:6. That being said, I don't remember the verse per se, but rather the common phrase which could simply have been erroneous.
Anyhow, this is an example of precisely the sort of thought-policing narrative that is not acceptable at Infogalactic. Even if the correct explanation for the Mandela Effect is confabulation, it is absolutely false to claim that the two distinct concepts are synonymous, as at best, the Mandela Effect is a specific example of confabulation. The Mandela Effect page has been corrected.

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99 Comments:

Anonymous John December 19, 2016 8:06 AM  

I can pull out a copy of the Berenstain Bears published in the 1980s from my parents' home. I did so a month ago, since I also remembered it the other way--only to see Berenstain printed on that well-worn book from my childhood.

Blogger Orville December 19, 2016 8:16 AM  

This is a weird synchronicity. I was just last night watching season 2 episode 2 of "Man in the High Castle", and saw that the Trade Minister was asking his assistant to search for phrases such as Nelson Mandela. Then the Trade Minister visits the forbidden library to read on subjects such as parallel universes.

Blogger horsewithnonick December 19, 2016 8:19 AM  

I remember the -stain spelling, and my sperg power is the ability to correctly spell virtually any word I've ever read in print, including Milo's last name. I even remember pronouncing it that way, in the years before they hit the TV screen.

Blogger James Dixon December 19, 2016 8:24 AM  

Strangely, I was browsing apps on my new Kindle Fire just a week or so ago, and I'm pretty sure the apps were still spelled Bernstein then, but they show up as "ain" when I search online now. Hmm. I'll have to check when I get home.

Anonymous Miso Hawny December 19, 2016 8:25 AM  

I don't know how it was written but I know that I have always pronounced it "-stain".

Anonymous Faceless December 19, 2016 8:27 AM  

I never liked the bear books. They always seemed trite and contrived. I remember one where the old battle ax mother was angry that they were watching TV news for the weather report, and the moral of the story was that she was so smart to suggest people just stick a head or hand out the window to determine the weather. I lived near our own little tornado alley as a child - one actually went through the back yard - such behavior would get you killed.

Blogger James Dixon December 19, 2016 8:32 AM  

Apparently I'm misremembering. I checked my email where I mentioned them to my wife, and I cut and pasted Bernstain.

Oh, and of course Han shot first. What do people think he is, stupid?
And there was no "A New Hope". It was just "Star Wars".

Blogger Shimshon December 19, 2016 8:33 AM  

I remember Berenstain, because (((I))) always thought it odd.

Anonymous Galactic Starfleets of Deplorable Spartacus December 19, 2016 8:33 AM  

Omg wtf! They've changed it to Looney Tunes everywhare!!! It's a secret plot by you all to make me think I'm losing my mind.

Blogger Mountain Man December 19, 2016 8:40 AM  

These are the people behind Snopes:

http://drrichswier.com/2015/08/06/snopes-com-ceo-arrested-on-charges-of-fraud-and-corruption/

...and now for a better picture:

http://accuracyinpolitics.blogspot.com/2013/05/snopes-got-snoped.html

I see a scooter in her future..and maybe one for the cat too.

Alos, my gut tells me that Dave really loves pizza

Blogger YIH December 19, 2016 8:42 AM  

The article also mentions Looney Toons. IIRC, when the shorts began airing on TV was when the change in spelling began to appear.

Anonymous Stickwick December 19, 2016 8:45 AM  

I grew up with these books, and I distinctly remember Berenstain Bears. This was in Canada, for whatever that's worth.

Blogger Mountain Man December 19, 2016 8:47 AM  

It was Berenstein Bears.. I remember the books well - had a few copies.As a kid I liked them more for the illustrations than the content

Blogger Robert What? December 19, 2016 8:48 AM  

Vox, not sure I understand how what goes on at Wikipedia affects searches on Infogalactic?

Anonymous old man in a villa December 19, 2016 8:50 AM  

It was Steven Biko. They all look alike, as the saying goes.

The rest of it is a rabbit hole not worth venturing into.

I will say that the pouring new wine into wineskins/bottles one really freaked me out. Where on earth would alittle kid come up with the term "wineskins" if not from hearing it? Yet it has always been bottles? And "...IN Earth as it is in Heaven?" Tell that to my congregation, the get it wrong every week.

Anonymous Roundtine December 19, 2016 8:50 AM  

Here's a 1984 commercial for Froot Loops.

Do you remember this video, the selective attention test? How many children paid close attention to the Berenstain Bears cursive spelling, and since everyone pronounces it "stein", wouldn't you remember it that way? Froot Loops: focus on Toucan Sam, the loops in the cereal, but not the spelling of fruit. Fill that in with what you know.

Blogger Wanderer December 19, 2016 8:52 AM  

The Mandela Effect is retarded. It's almost as bad as the flat earth stuff. Please don't take it seriously.

Blogger James Dixon December 19, 2016 8:53 AM  

Oh, and the case of Han shooting first isn't any one misremembering. They changed it in the later releases of the movies.

Blogger VD December 19, 2016 8:56 AM  

Vox, not sure I understand how what goes on at Wikipedia affects searches on Infogalactic?

Infogalactic is a fork of Wikipedia. So, a lot of its pages are still the same as Wikipedia's. This will continue to change over time.

Anonymous VFM#1819 December 19, 2016 8:56 AM  

@Wanderer

"Nothing to see here folks. Move along. Move along."

I thought all you ctr shills were unemployed? Does discussion of thesr sort of topics make you so uncomfortable you shill for free now? Pathetic!

Anonymous Galactic Starfleets of Deplorable Spartacus December 19, 2016 8:56 AM  

Fruit Loops. I even remember the change as distinctly as if Kellogg's were to change the name of another cereal to Special G tomorrow.

I don't remember any change. It has always been Fruit Loops. (Maybe they spell it different in Eastasia?)

The line is "Luke, I am your father."

Yes.

The lion laying down with the lamb rather than the wolf living with the lamb in Isaiah 11:6.

Yes. Lion lays down with lamb. (?)

The list on the Mandela Effect page could add which version is the rightest version. It isn't clear enough for the Mandela Affected, he testified.

Anonymous VFM #6306 December 19, 2016 8:59 AM  

I remember seeing at the end of Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer that Yukon Cornelius finally found his gold and silver motherlode: in the form of tinsel on the big tree that the Bumble puts a star on.

No Mandela Effect though. It is apparently an isolated delusion.

Anonymous Thales December 19, 2016 9:04 AM  

That anyone remembers it as something other than "No, I am your father" is clear evidence for the Jedi mind trick.

Anonymous Wilson December 19, 2016 9:09 AM  

Hey VD, thanks for noticing my comment at Keoni's place. You're alright, bro.

Anonymous VFM#1819 December 19, 2016 9:15 AM  

James Dixon and I must be from the same timeline as I also remember pronouncing it "Bernstain" despite seeing that it was written BERENstain.

Definitely remember A New Hope being just Star Wars, but then I didn't remember Leah kissing Luke in Empire. I swore it was in IV. So that means when Yoda says "No, there is another." That either that wasn't supposed to be Leah, or they knew that kiss was incestuous.

Anonymous Roundtine December 19, 2016 9:16 AM  

These examples are all small errors, or overlooked detail, repeated by everyone. Like that brain teaser that has "the the" in the sentence. Confabulation is when someone alters events in their minds. I know people who completely change events. Like they were watching a soccer game, but 20 years later they believe they playing in the game with you.

Blogger James Dixon December 19, 2016 9:25 AM  

> That anyone remembers it as something other than "No, I am your father" is clear evidence for the Jedi mind trick.

Given all the changes made in the various releases of the movies over the years (see Han Solo above), who knows.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric December 19, 2016 9:25 AM  

VFM#1819 wrote:Definitely remember A New Hope being just Star Wars, but then I didn't remember Leah kissing Luke in Empire. I swore it was in IV. So that means when Yoda says "No, there is another." That either that wasn't supposed to be Leah, or they knew that kiss was incestuous.
George Lucas routinely lies about the genesis of the story of Star Wars, probably because he never considered himself a great writer, always was looking for someone else to write for him, and was very insecure about his writing. When his control freak took over during the prequel years, he fell back on this Mandela effect of his own about the story always being existent, probably as a justification or insulation against the criticism of the poor quality of the movies. It is, however, well documented that Leia was NOT originally supposed to be Luke's sister—that didn't come about until after Empire was released—or that Darth Vader was supposed to be the father of either. As recently as the 2nd or 3rd draft of the Empire script, Vader and Anakin appeared as separate individuals (Anakin in flashback mode). He was always flying by the seat of his pants, and although yeah, he did re-use various images and concepts that were floating around very early, sometimes in a very different way than he originally planned, the notion that he had this whole story arc mapped out in the mid-70s is frankly pretty ridiculous.

Blogger Erynne December 19, 2016 9:29 AM  

I had thought I remembered it as BerenSTEIN because I always pronounced it "steen" as a kid. Then, I found my old books and nearly had a mental breakdown when I saw the stain everywhere. My wife found me in the fetal position, sucking my thumb, muttering "...steen, it was steen..."

Blogger horsewithnonick December 19, 2016 9:32 AM  

Leia kissed Luke in both movies - "for luck" before they swung across the access shaft in the Death Star in IV, and in front of Han in Empire.

Anonymous VFM #6306 December 19, 2016 9:37 AM  

My theory is this:

The original Mandela Effect is because of MTV and "politically aware" college kids.

The Peter Gabriel propaganda song "Biko" came out in the 80s. It is really beautiful, emotionally inspiring, quasi-"ethnic" with factoid lyrics:

"September '77" "Police Room 619" etc.

It was also Gabriel's big "shift from Genesis song" in overt politics. Here's the kicker: the song was done in 1980 but the most famous video for it came out in 87 featuring live footage from one of those Apartheid festivals for Mandela. Gabriel told the crowd it was a song about a "brave, non-violent man" distinctly worded to pay homage to the Mandela cult.

So yeah, I think it is indeed Steve Biko's fault.

But the Beren"stain" is effing government mind control.

Blogger The Gray Man December 19, 2016 9:39 AM  

Isn't it No I am your father?

Blogger exfarmkid December 19, 2016 9:44 AM  

I've sat in many project meetings where the consensus and group memory at the end of the meeting completely contradicted my real-time notes from the beginning of the meeting. Did not know it was called the "mandela effect".

Very educational.

Blogger YIH December 19, 2016 9:48 AM  

VFM #6306 wrote:I remember seeing at the end of Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer that Yukon Cornelius finally found his gold and silver motherlode: in the form of tinsel on the big tree that the Bumble puts a star on.

No Mandela Effect though. It is apparently an isolated delusion.

Actually: https://infogalactic.com/info/Rudolph_the_Red-Nosed_Reindeer_%28TV_special%29#Different_versions
He wasn't looking for silver or gold.

Blogger pyrrhus December 19, 2016 9:49 AM  

The Mandela effect is a lot larger than the others...my mind makes a major distinction between dead people and alive ones...

Blogger Mighty Lou December 19, 2016 9:49 AM  

I think the common phrase of the lion lying down with the lamb is actually from a popular poem or song of some past era, wolf was replaced with lion for alliteration purposes and because it had the same meaning or the imagery of a lion was stronger than that of a wolf.

Anonymous jack arcalon December 19, 2016 9:57 AM  

There are still tens of thousands of annoying redirects, deletions, and PC pieties in Infogalactic's copy of Wikipedia's millions of articles. Anyone who disagrees now has a real alternative.

Anonymous Thales December 19, 2016 10:04 AM  

He was always flying by the seat of his pants, and although yeah, he did re-use various images and concepts that were floating around very early, sometimes in a very different way than he originally planned, the notion that he had this whole story arc mapped out in the mid-70s is frankly pretty ridiculous.

Indeed. As evidence, the fact that Lucas originally planned for a low-budget sequel to Star Wars ("Episode IV: A New Hope" being added after a theatrical re-release) in case the film bombed. It didn't and Lucas went on to make an expensive sequel, but that outline was reworked by Alan Dean Foster into Splinter of the Mind's Eye. Most of the original trilogy is stolen ("good artists copy; great artists steal") from better authors/artists/filmmakers, which is why it stands out today, unlike the crap that came later (q.v. Mr. Plinkett).

Anonymous VFM #6306 December 19, 2016 10:05 AM  

This video includes a screenshot of ickipedo's old Mandela Effect entry:

https://youtu.be/1DZnPZ2iXtk

Either that, or its a psyop.

Blogger Nate December 19, 2016 10:10 AM  

There are thousands of people who will swear that they heard Sarah Palin say she could see alaska from her house.

Anonymous VFM #6306 December 19, 2016 10:11 AM  

Thank you for complicating reality for the already damaged, YIH and Infogalactic!

Blogger Nate December 19, 2016 10:14 AM  

"Isn't it No I am your father? "

no.

Blogger GK Chesterton December 19, 2016 10:15 AM  

Absolutely fascinating. I'm assuming Vox is posting "his memory" vs the real world for those tracking. Which is a mix of truth and made up memory. Mine was very similar to his.

Whatever Wikipedia editor removed this did a poor job. I can understand wanting to use the "true" technical term if there is one but then show the popular understanding and the common term.

Anonymous BBGKB December 19, 2016 10:18 AM  

I thought the Mandela effect was just lying about black crime, given that he used to put burning tires on people while so many said he didndu nutting. Learn something new every day.

Blogger Martin December 19, 2016 10:22 AM  

I actually did experience the specific case which gave the Mandela Effect its name. I distinctly remember his death being announced on the radio in the late 90s, well after being elected president, and later discovered he was still alive. This was long before the term "Mandela Effect" had been coined, and long before I was aware that many other people had the same experience.

I have always chocked it up to a news wire mistake, and still believe that to be the case.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer December 19, 2016 10:23 AM  

I call it the Jagermeister effect. When I pass out, I am very epistimogically certain I had about 80℅ of my bittle. only to wake up to WTF! What happened to the bottle?

Anonymous coyote December 19, 2016 10:25 AM  

@40 Nate- THAT is so scary true. I got in one hell of argument over that with cucked out REPUBLICANS for cryin out loud! SNL becomes reality? Gaslighting doen't even NEED psyops- humans are self-programming 'bots for the most part.

Blogger Werekoala December 19, 2016 10:26 AM  

I must be from Universe 3 because Han didn't shoot first. He was the ONLY one who shot.

Blogger FUCK GOOGLE December 19, 2016 10:28 AM  

It's always been "Berenstain" - I dug thru some of my old books from when I was a kid. I imagine people remember it differently because names ending in -stein are much more common than -stain, and it's written in cursive on title of the books anyways. Add in that everyone pronounces it as though it ends in -stein, and it's no surprise a lot of people think it's spelled differently.

Darth Vader never says "Luke, I am your father." He says "No, I am your father" after Luke says Obi Wan told him that Vader killed his father. This always confused me because I remember the actual line from the movie, but then people would say "Luke, I am your father" like it was a line from the movie. "Luke, I am your father" makes a better reference though - you immediately know it's Star Wars.

It's always been Froot Loops - but on the box, it doesn't have actual letters for the O's in "Froot" - it just has pieces of cereal.

This is literally just a few cases of people misremembering things in common ways.

Anonymous David-093 December 19, 2016 10:29 AM  

It's Berenstein. No kid would ever pronounce it "steen" when "stain" was right there. And I could've sworn it was No, Luke, I am your father."

Weird bit of synchronicity is I've been reading about this for the past week, and then Vox and Keoni have articles up on it. The subreddit on the the Mandela Effect is pretty fascinating, since there's a lot of things people remember differently.

Anonymous David-093 December 19, 2016 10:31 AM  

Buzzfeed has an article on it with a lot of the most common ones.

Anonymous Thales December 19, 2016 10:44 AM  

I must be from Universe 3 because Han didn't shoot first. He was the ONLY one who shot.

Yep, he just blew away Greedo under the table, then talks to Jabba like it's no big deal. That's how you know Han was such a bad-ass. Also, he had a babe hanging all over him in a deleted Cantina scene before Skywalker and Kenobi enter -- totally should have left that one in.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 19, 2016 10:52 AM  

As long as I'm in the universe where a goodly majority of Electors will vote for Trump today, that's enough for me.

Blogger J Van Stry December 19, 2016 10:54 AM  

@28 - And Lando was supposed to be a female character and brought in as Han's old love interest to offset the Luke/Leia relationship.
I remember hearing about that from a friend who repaired film editing equipment and knew some of the folks working on the movies professionally.

Blogger Arthur Isaac December 19, 2016 10:56 AM  

'Little black Sambo, little black Sambo'.

BHop got knocked clean out of the ring by the white kid. He was 'pushed'. The Russians hacked the ropes.

Weak people can't cope with reality.

Anonymous BluePony December 19, 2016 11:01 AM  

"as if Kellogg's were to change the name of another cereal to Special G tomorrow."

I wouldn't put it past them at this point.

Special G, yo! Official cereal of Black Lives Matter!

Walmart can sell it next to the BLM hoodies.

Anonymous Eric the Red December 19, 2016 11:06 AM  

The Bible references freak me out, to the point where I don't want to face it squarely because the possible explanations are too weird.

Lion lies down with the lamb is alliteration, and easily remembered. Also, lions were common in the Judean wilderness back then, and were always used in symbology for various ancient empires.

How could the technology for extensive numbers of wine bottles possibly exist in the Mideast in 33 AD? Answer: it couldn't have.

Anonymous jacopo December 19, 2016 11:11 AM  

Nelson Mandela died in police custody in 1987 in the movie Cry Freedom staring Danny Glover.

Anonymous Millenium December 19, 2016 11:21 AM  

Lucas went on to make an expensive sequel, but that outline was reworked by Alan Dean Foster into Splinter of the Mind's Eye.

That was an absolutely atrocious novel...and somehow still better than the prequels.

@Thales: As a child I remember we had a vcr taped version of all 3 star wars movies from one of the first times they were broadcast on tv. AFAIK those were the same versions broadcast in cinemas. Han shoots greedo and that's it. Han does not meet Jabba (and the move is better without it).

Speaking of the Mandela effect, my father always swore that Chewie received a medal when he saw star wars in the cinema.

The explanation is simple. /pol/ has reawoken an ancient chaos frog god and we have jumped into an alternative timeline where the savior of humanity is an aging billionaire playboy reality tv star...

Anonymous malcolm December 19, 2016 11:23 AM  

With regards to the lion or the wolf lying with the lamb, it is actually neither. Here is the verse according to the KJV: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+11&version=KJV

The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

The wolf dwells (not lies) with the lamb (young sheep)
The leopard (not wolf or lion) lies with the kid (young goat, not a young sheep)

A young lion is mentioned later, but just a generic being together with cattle (young calf or fatling)

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You can also see the original hebrew here: http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15942/jewish/Chapter-11.htm#v=6

Blogger Troy Lee Messer December 19, 2016 11:25 AM  

Btw Vox. Thanks for your help in making today happen. A very strong meme is on its course and this place is a riverbed for it.

Anonymous BBGKB December 19, 2016 11:33 AM  

There are thousands of people who will swear that they heard Sarah Palin say she could see alaska from her house.

Both "Madame Secretary and The Good Wife" carried water for Crooked Eye Clinton's email scandals & even rewrote WACO. Shitlibs also remember (((Law & Ordered))) more than the reality it got race reversed wrong.

Anonymous BBGKB December 19, 2016 11:38 AM  

This probably fits in with this post the most. Bath House Barry decries Right Propagandists
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/echoes-of-russia-obama-calls-for-silencing-domestic-propagandists-and-alternative-media_12192016

Blogger William Hudson December 19, 2016 11:42 AM  

David and Barbara Mikkelson are the compleat "hobosexual" couple, i.e., a pair of Fucking BUMS!

Blogger Mighty Lou December 19, 2016 11:47 AM  

I you sure he wasn't thinking of the cowardly lion?

Blogger Retrenched December 19, 2016 11:48 AM  

Things I remember that may or may not be real.....

- Froot Loops

- Berenstain Bears

- Han shot first

- wolf will lie with the lamb

- Hillary Clinton is a lock to be the next president

Blogger tublecane December 19, 2016 11:51 AM  

@25-It wasn't that incestuous. She only did it to make Han Solo jealous, and brothers and sisters are allowed to kiss eachother on occasion. In fact, the characters also kiss in Star Wars, and no one ever brings that up because it was just for luck. The Empire kiss has sexual implications, which is why people think it's icky. But for me the implications are all between Han and Leia. She might as well have been kissing one of the robots from her perspective.

The only creepy aspect is Luke's reaction afterwards, as if he feels like he's gonna get lucky.

Blogger tublecane December 19, 2016 11:59 AM  

@18-That's right, Han shooting first (Han shooting only, actually) doesn't belong on a Mandela effect list. It happened, true story.

Anonymous Athor Pel December 19, 2016 12:01 PM  

A guy I went to high school with, lets call him Bob, used to gaslight folks for shits and giggles. His schtick was telling you a moderately famous person just died. Then you would be watching television days or weeks later and see this "dead" person alive and well in their new movie or television show. The next time you saw Bob you'd hit him on the arm and call him a jerk for lying about so-and-so famous person dying. Then he'd get to laughing so hard he'd almost fall over.

I also used to work with a guy that would gaslight about whatever subject of current conversation you were having. He'd do it just to see if you'd believe him. You could tell he really didn't get any joy out of it, it was purely done to allow him to feel superior to someone by getting them to believe his lies. It was sad and pathetic. His lies were really bad, as in poorly done. Either so small they didn't matter and therefore practically undetectable or obviously the product of a stupid person and therefore easily detected. I got to where I avoided talking to him completely. A truly joyless person.

I've come to the conclusion there are people out there that can't help but lie and do so habitually. They do it to boost their ego, but not directly, but by making other people look stupid.

Blogger tublecane December 19, 2016 12:02 PM  

@48-True, but people aren't misremembering that. "Han shot first" just sounds better. Can you imagine selling t-shirts that say "Han shot only?"

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor December 19, 2016 12:06 PM  

@40 Exactly. And the explanation is the same as the Mandela Effect: the media narrative was crafted to convey an impression that departed substantially from the truth. People best remember the overall impression they were fed, not the factual details that were presented.

Blogger tublecane December 19, 2016 12:09 PM  

@69-That's not gaslighting, that's just lying.

Anonymous The Gray Man December 19, 2016 12:09 PM  

Yeah, I just watched the scene. It's "no, I am your father."

I seem to remember this from my old VHS tapes too (before the movies were redone in the late 1990s)

Blogger Arthur Isaac December 19, 2016 12:17 PM  

OT, ran across a prime Curie-Hultgreen syndrome sufferer last night.

First black "aviatrix" Bessy Coleman.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Bessie_Coleman

Darwin award at 34 after having a wrench slide into her planes gearbox, being ejected and falling 2000 feet to become a first in grease spot history.

Anonymous EH December 19, 2016 12:58 PM  

I've read literally thousands of these stories at the "Glitch in the Matrix" subreddit and the earlier "Reality Shifters" site, many of them most likely are confabulation - New Zealand was never west of Australia, for instance. It did seem to me that Australia used to be farther from New Guinea and the Indonesian islands, though, hundreds of miles. The longest sea distance from Australia to Indonesia is under 100 miles, to New Guinea under 30 miles, while New Zealand is over 1,000 miles, 1,350 from Sydney to Auckland, farther than from London to Kiev. Billy Graham does seem to die and come back more than anybody (he's still alive, age 98), but I think generally the real Mandela Effect stories of people being alive again are false news reports of celebrity deaths and people misremembering.

One that really got me was finding that there is now a "Cousin It"-looking fifth roommate in "The Young Ones" '80s britcom, a character I had never noticed before. She (?) appeared in every episode of the first season, even in promotional materials, but never got a credit or had a line.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper December 19, 2016 1:38 PM  

I always pronounced it Bear-N- STINE, long I bears but that's my idiosyncrasy

Now as for the Mandala effect, my favorite example is the non existent Thunderbird picture reported in Fate Magazine

The photos shows 4 guys in period clothes (1900-1930 or so) with posed holding a giant bird.

Lost pf people remember seeing it but the photo clearly doesn't exist

Anonymous Athor Pel December 19, 2016 1:42 PM  

"72. Blogger tublecane December 19, 2016 12:09 PM
@69-That's not gaslighting, that's just lying."


That's what I get for not looking up the definition of a word I rarely use. I assumed it just meant lying. Those assumptions, get you every time.

Anonymous Thales December 19, 2016 1:43 PM  

@Thales: As a child I remember we had a vcr taped version of all 3 star wars movies from one of the first times they were broadcast on tv. AFAIK those were the same versions broadcast in cinemas. Han shoots greedo and that's it. Han does not meet Jabba (and the move is better without it).

Yep, I taped the theatrical versions on VCR when they aired on the sci-fi channel before the remastering, and now I'm glad I did because you can't find them for love or money. Although I didn't see the Jabba out-take footage until Jedi had released ("a fat Irishman? Huh.."), I thought it was good (it was in the novelization) but obviously they couldn't have included it and went with the Jabba they did.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 19, 2016 2:10 PM  

I also have the semi-sperg power of remembering spellings of words I see/read in nearly all cases.

It was definitely "Berenstein" I didn't even know that that was a Jewish naming convention at the time. I kind of hated them because they did the whole "incompetent father figure/males" thing just like the simpsons, etc.

*Dunno about Mandela.
*Did gweedo even shoot? It was always too fast for me to tell, so I just assumed only Han even shot.
*This is a joke, right?
*I too remember Fruit Loops changing.
*"No, I AM your father." I always heard people misquote it though.
*Also remember lion/lamb, but I'd say this is almost certainly a case of me being "infected" by a misquote. Most likely due to all the "lamb of god" "like a roaring lion" etc. other portions in the Bible.
*Also floating ribs what? I know that this changes with age, cartilage ossifying toward the center, etc, but I've seen human skeletons on display before (actual, not fabricated) and there was definitely no "floating rib" that ended on the sides of the back. I chalk all the other skeletal things up to cartoon depictions and genuine differences in skeletons between people.

Blogger Nate December 19, 2016 2:10 PM  

Things people thing happened that really didn't:

The Movie Serenity

The 2016 Ghostbusters Movie

The Prequels

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 19, 2016 3:20 PM  

@80. Serenity happened.

Blogger Riddlewire December 19, 2016 4:25 PM  

James Rolfe (aka The Angry Video Game Nerd) made a video partially about this issue two months ago. I wonder if this started "trending" because of that video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB3CybXl8rs

Blogger Vanished friend December 19, 2016 5:02 PM  

Want a super-relevant example? I remember, very distinctly, reading about John Podesta being an informal consultant for the X-Files, being buddies with Carter and Spotnitz, who also created The Lone Gunmen, the pilot episode of which revolved around a Scenario 12D, which is...well, you can google it for yourself. If I knew how internet archiving worked, I would be hunting for proof of the memory-holization. The stakes are 1,000,000 times higher than a kids' book or when Mandela died or all the other curious bullshit. Prove that the Podesta + X-Files link has been disappeared, and you will have proof of...well, you do the math.

Blogger Ingot9455 December 19, 2016 5:47 PM  

Just as television killed Nelson Mandela and made Sarah Palin see Russia from her house, music made the lion lay down with the lamb in the song 'Peace in the Valley' by Thomas A. Dorsey (covered by many).

Blogger CM December 19, 2016 6:50 PM  

I think my only example of this is the age of Alfonso Wilder, husband of Laura Ingalls Wilder. Fairly certain that in the book The Long Winter, Laura writes he is only 4 years older than she is but lies on the paperwork to get his land grant. Biographies of the family have him as 10 years older than she is, likely because they are using his reported age and not Laura's testimony.

I'm sure there are others locked in my subconscious, but they don't get enough air time to show how contorted they are.

Blogger MycroftJones December 19, 2016 6:59 PM  

Does noone else remember it as "I am your father, Luke."

Blogger CM December 19, 2016 7:09 PM  

MycroftJones wrote:Does noone else remember it as "I am your father, Luke."

I just avoid the whole issue and remember the "I AM your father" and promptly make fun of every single movie that contains that line. "You knew my father?" "I AM your father."

The only movie that had that precursor that abandoned the trope was The Lion King (Simba and Rafiki).

Blogger Cassandros the Elder December 19, 2016 8:05 PM  

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Blogger Cassandros the Elder December 19, 2016 8:06 PM  

We don't need no stinking badges!

Blogger El Derbo December 19, 2016 8:27 PM  

Don't know the origin the lion/lamb thing but pretty sure Elvis sings it that way in Peace in the Valley. Wonder if the song (however old) is the origin.

Blogger Keoni Galt December 19, 2016 8:32 PM  

Upon further review, I believe this is a gaslighting psyop aimed primarily at those of us who are GenX and older. There is probably some point in time in which they switched over from producing hard copy with the Berenstein to Berenstain, so there now exists hard copies of both.

Commenter Eduardo the Magnificent left this at my place: "I'm considered someone caught in the (very small) late X, early millennial crowd, and I can distinctly remember the title of the books left in doctor's offices changing from -ein to -ain. Thought it was very strange. Happened in the very early 90s."

In researching this, I have pulled up a multitude of pics showing both versions of books.

Now, the one thing I'm sure of (unless I'm confabulating) is that when I was watching the cartoon version in the 80's, it was definitely Berenstein...so that would certainly explain the number of folks who have the Tell-a-vision title imprinted in their memory, and when they go back and look at their old copies of the books, and they may have the Berenstain copies, we get the desired effect.

They have been literally trolling us for generations!

Anonymous jon December 19, 2016 8:34 PM  

FWIW, the US Trademark Office turns up ten registrations for BERENSTAIN BEARS (earliest in 1978) and non for BERENSTEIN BEARS.

Blogger tublecane December 19, 2016 10:22 PM  

@87-I remember it with the stress on the "I," as in, "No, *I* am your father."

Blogger Pseudotsuga December 20, 2016 2:30 AM  

"These aren't the Froot Loops you're looking for."

Blogger Vanished friend December 20, 2016 10:24 AM  

Are you paying attention, Vox? Earth to Vox Day. Bueller, Bueller, Bueller...

Anonymous Anonymous December 22, 2016 9:02 AM  

I swear that Walmart use to have a star between Wal and Mart

Blogger Were-Puppy December 22, 2016 6:59 PM  

Man am I a day late and a dollar short for this one.
Mandela Effect is a fun topic, and there are maybe a hundred of them now? One good youtube about it is esoteric detective.

And yes, I had gone to Infogalactic specifically to the Mandella Effect page and got that crap wiki version. Was thinking of adding to it.

Blogger Z-man January 21, 2017 2:03 PM  

I look up "mandela effect" fairly often on Google and when I go over my search history the next day their heading for my mandela effect search queries is always Confabulation. Thanx guys for the opinion nudging me in the right direction. I myself don't like arguments from intimidation and I don't denigrate others' memory experiences like with Dolly's braces. BTW go to YouTube and do a search for "terrafugia", "otto trucks" and "sophia ai robot." You'd swear the stuff is fake news.

Blogger Z-man January 23, 2017 2:48 PM  

It's weird and disconcerting when a movie scene you're familiar with changes completely years later. When I was growing up the 1972 movie "Frogs" starring Sam Elliot and Ray Milland was a popular horror movie. Campy and Grade B but somehow watchable so in the original Iris an older woman is chasing a butterfly in the woods with her net and long story short she drowns in quicksand. Few years back I bought the DVD copy and in that particular scene there's no quicksand. Instead after running through the woods terrified she gets bit by a rattlesnake and dies that way. However in the DVD trailer there are bits from the quicksand scene and the quicksand scene also pops up two or three times in a google image search. Now I can understand a director coming up with two versions of Iris' demise as the original may be too gruesome but you'd think there'd be some explanation along the way or at least in the Extras section of the DVD. For me it's a Dolly's braces kind of thing at least for us cult classics people;)

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