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Sunday, January 22, 2017

Lock them up for 10 years

One of the first tests of the Trump administration's resolve will be whether his prosecutors follow through and jail the rioting SJWs for 10 years. The Left relies heavily upon the Right's lack of resolve to hold them accountable, so locking the little bastards up and making them serve the full term for their crimes will be the fastest way to dissuade other SJWs from committing similar crimes in the future.
Most of the 230 rioters arrested after violent protests erupted in Washington D.C. following Donald Trump's inauguration will be charged with felony rioting, federal prosecutors said on Saturday. The charge carries a punishment of up to ten years in jail and a $25,000 fine. Thousand of protesters launched a violent rampage just blocks away from the White House as anti-Trump demonstrators smashed store windows, set fire to cars and threw bricks at police.
The same strategy should be pursued across the country. The protesters are operating under the assumption that they will not face any serious consequences; they will have lots of expensive lawyers and all sorts of people attempting to negotiate negligible penalties on their behalf. The God-Emperor will be wise to direct his Justice Department to ignore any and all negotiations, settlements, and requests for reduced charges, throw the book at every single one of them, and lock them up for felony offenses.

And as a bonus, none of those convicted will ever be permitted to vote again.

There is a time for showing mercy. This is not one of them.


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Blogger Cinco January 22, 2017 8:03 AM  

Only 230... Shame, there was opportunity to essentially cleanse thousands of militant leftists in a single blow.

Next time Gadget, next time.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer January 22, 2017 8:05 AM  

As a tactical matter, doesn't the rioting cause more support for the right?

Blogger Hen January 22, 2017 8:08 AM  

I can't say how apprehensive I've been about this very issue, so "lock them up" sets a very good baseline. I am so joyfully proud of this administration already!

Blogger Timmy3 January 22, 2017 8:12 AM  

Locking up Madonna who threatened to blow up the White House will be a start to rein in the terror of celebrity and Hollywood liberalism.

Blogger VD January 22, 2017 8:14 AM  

As a tactical matter, doesn't the rioting cause more support for the right?

Only if the Right does something about it to bring it to an end.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 22, 2017 8:14 AM  

This is one of those areas where I instinctively agree with you...and yet still don't fully trust my instincts. (Okay, truth in advertising: everyone knows what I'd really like to do with the bastards, right?)

The problem is that locking the shits up serves as a recruiting drive tool to create more of them. Said a bit differently, never do an enemy a small injury. Yes, it's a large injury to those of them who would soon be nursing bleeding assholes, but small to the movement.

It might be better, strategically, to let them run wild for a year, while Trump consolidates support among the righteous, and then crack down in ways that will give the left nightmares for generations.

Anonymous The Other Donald January 22, 2017 8:21 AM  

Castrate and release.

Anonymous T-Rav January 22, 2017 8:29 AM  

"It might be better, strategically, to let them run wild for a year, while Trump consolidates support among the righteous, and then crack down in ways that will give the left nightmares for generations."

I can see the appeal there, but I feel like this is a "strike while the iron is hot" situation. The first days of any presidency set the tone, and Trump should send an early message that all these protests are to him a lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing. If a 10-year sentence drives more of the f***ers into the street, give them 10-year sentences as well. They'll get the message soon enough.

Blogger Salt January 22, 2017 8:30 AM  

Tom Kratman wrote:It might be better, strategically, to let them run wild for a year, while Trump consolidates support among the righteous, and then crack down in ways that will give the left nightmares for generations.

National constitutional concealed carry. Shop owners defending property. If the left wants a war, bring it on.

Anonymous Hrw-500 January 22, 2017 8:31 AM  

#6, Tom Kratman

"The problem is that locking the shits up serves as a recruiting drive tool to create more of them. Said a bit differently, never do an enemy a small injury. Yes, it's a large injury to those of them who would soon be nursing bleeding assholes, but small to the movement."

Maybe not locking up but how about filming them where they didn't expected it, post it on Youtube, Dailymotion, Liveleak, etc and watch them being turned into internet memes like Aids Skrillex, Carl the Cuck and Trigglypuff? I still laugh when I watch Trigglypuff acting the way she acted.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr January 22, 2017 8:31 AM  

I think you have to lock them up to set precedent. I understand Mr. Kratman's concern - it would be nice to let the riots expand, then administer a whiff of grapeshot. But you have to lay the precedent by showing that this behavior won't be tolerated. The Left is stupid, they won't get the point from a single lesson.

Blogger FALPhil January 22, 2017 8:35 AM  

Tom Kratman said:
It might be better, strategically, to let them run wild for a year, while Trump consolidates support among the righteous, and then crack down in ways that will give the left nightmares for generations.

There is a good deal of wisdom with this approach. Kent State quelled college campus rioting for at least 3 generations.

Blogger VD January 22, 2017 8:36 AM  

It might be better, strategically, to let them run wild for a year, while Trump consolidates support among the righteous, and then crack down in ways that will give the left nightmares for generations.

It would not. That is simply the status quo. If Trump is to build faith in his new vision, he has to methodically deliver. Actually locking up left-wing political agitators for their felonies would send a powerful message. Moreover, it would provide a sound foundation for investigations into the serious RICO-violating criminal conspiracies behind the petty criminals.

Blogger VD January 22, 2017 8:38 AM  

Maybe not locking up but how about filming them where they didn't expected it

No. That is typical of stupid, ineffective, cuckservative hand-waving.

This is a generation that films itself having sex and posts it on public websites. They don't fear being filmed. They fear being held responsible for their actions.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 22, 2017 8:39 AM  

These shitheels are low hanging fruit. Doing anything to them except en masse, and I mean _mass_, won't do much. If I were going to go after someone to have a serious effect, I think I might turn the Old Guard on the WaPo, with instructions to kick to a pulp the entire staff and burn the building to the ground, with them in it, followed by a presidential pardon and an order to sequester the insurance payments so that they are never paid. After that, pick a serious left wing college...

But there we are getting to civil war territory, so my instincts shouldn't necessarily be trusted here, either.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 22, 2017 8:40 AM  

Then exterminate a riot as soon as possible. That, at least, is a real injury.

Blogger John rockwell January 22, 2017 8:41 AM  

10 years of hard labor like in North Korea. No work no food.

Make them pay for their own imprisonment.

Blogger Salt January 22, 2017 8:41 AM  

Give Soros to the Russians. Let them handle it since we're told they do everything anyway.

Anonymous The Other Donald January 22, 2017 8:41 AM  

No more prisons. Prisons breed crime. Restitution, retribution, and execution are the three forms of punishment proscribed in the Bible, and also the only forms that work. Catch, castrate, and release. And let it be an example unto them all.

Blogger synp January 22, 2017 8:42 AM  

Trump has no authority over this. Rioting is a state crime. District attorneys will decide.

They could try to make a Federal offense out of it, but that would require proving a conspiracy that crosses state borders or treason. No way this gets past any judge or jury.

Blogger Salt January 22, 2017 8:44 AM  

synp wrote:Trump has no authority over this. Rioting is a state crime.

And what State is the District? Why, it's Federal.

Anonymous PinochetsChopperPilot January 22, 2017 8:46 AM  

If you lock a significant number of them up, over the span of a few years of the early era of the administration, most of these white guys who go to prison will get more red pill than they can handle, if only for the reason that they will be an extreme minority in a land of different rules, and a place where tribes matter most.

For those who come out alive, yes, they may "hate" the government or "the system", but they will have gathered more real data than they ever would being part-time rioters while living in relative comfort.

They also will be, as WE SO DESPERATELY NEED, skeptical of any form of cuckery, especially from white female provocateurs.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 22, 2017 8:46 AM  

@20

In the first place, claiming anything happening in DC is a state crime is...well, you justify it.

In the second place, any time a chartered bus is involved in moving rioters from Point A to Point B the odds are very good that someone's crossed state lines and that a conspiracy was involved.

Anonymous PinochetsChopperPilot January 22, 2017 8:49 AM  

Btw, they need to hit'em with RICO and asset forfeiture, just like the KKK and completely dismantle the entire supply chain. These folks ride in on buses, get hotels, food, everything. It actually IS a conspiracy to riot.

I'd love to see Madonna and Ashley Judd and all the rest of them who made threatening comments, charged as well. If a regular Joe had said some of those things, he'd be charged.

Blogger Ron January 22, 2017 8:50 AM  

@Salt

That was hillarious

Anonymous Sjonnar January 22, 2017 8:51 AM  

synp wrote:Trump has no authority over this. Rioting is a state crime. District attorneys will decide.

They could try to make a Federal offense out of it, but that would require proving a conspiracy that crosses state borders or treason. No way this gets past any judge or jury.


He does. The riots happened in DC, and DC falls under federal jurisdiction.

Anonymous Marvin Boggs January 22, 2017 9:00 AM  

@7 said "castrate and release".

I'm not sure, in most of the cases, that there is anything to cut off (regardless of gender assigned at birth).

Blogger FALPhil January 22, 2017 9:00 AM  

I wonder if the National Lawyers' Guild is spooling up to represent the arrested rioters. Since before WWII, they have donated countless hours and dollars to defending leftist causes. They are a pretty powerful, yet little known group and are very organized when it comes to situations like this.

Blogger Antony January 22, 2017 9:06 AM  

Jail costs too much - they wanted to live in an islamic or sub-saharan African country - so just deport them to one - drop them off on the beach at Somalia or North Korea !

Blogger Nate January 22, 2017 9:06 AM  

Look Vox I would love to lock them up for 10 years too... but we can't do that until we work the federal imprisonment statutes. I mean can you imagine how much federal money would be spend on sex change operations if we did it today?

Punishing these 200 people is a worthy goal... but lets be a little patient. I don't want to get stuck paying for 200 men to get breast augmentation.

Anonymous Charles January 22, 2017 9:06 AM  

I think it would be more humane to them and more cost effective to the tax payer if said 230 rioters were publicly executed. Does anyone seriously think these cretins can be rehabilitated?

Blogger VD January 22, 2017 9:08 AM  

Trump has no authority over this. Rioting is a state crime. District attorneys will decide.

Washington DC is not a state. Are you genuinely this stupid or were you just anklebiting? Either way, you are not tall enough for this ride.

Blogger Chris Mallory January 22, 2017 9:12 AM  

synp wrote:but that would require proving a conspiracy that crosses state borders

That is fairly easy now days. "Use of interstate communications to facilitate a crime".

We had a local case where two people were given Federal charges since their emails were routed through another state, crossing state lines.

If the Feds want you, they will get you.

Blogger wreckage January 22, 2017 9:13 AM  

No mercy for the violent. Proportional response demands prison time at a minimum.

Blogger Mighty Lou January 22, 2017 9:14 AM  

The chant of "get em out" will become "lock em up". At least they can get thier free education. I've heard many prisons offer college courses these days.

Anonymous VFM#1819 January 22, 2017 9:14 AM  

Castrate and release.

I'm not sure that is the threat it should be to these people. Half the leadership of these freaks willingly had themselves castrated. One of their big things is believing that the government should pay for the surgery. For some this would be a dream come true.

Better use a rusty knife, no anesthetic, and no treatment to the wound, and do it publicly. It's the only way. But then, now I'm the one dreaming.

Blogger tuberman January 22, 2017 9:16 AM  

Remember what Rudy Giuliani did in New York, crack downs work. Two or three harsh lessons an the rioters will not recruit well.

Blogger wreckage January 22, 2017 9:19 AM  

Deterrent effect is dependent on timeliness. If rioting gets you prison time right quick, people will riot less.

But, prison time will also discourage middle class twats from recreational crime; it will cull out the rationally self-interested from crowds like this, thus:
1. Reducing the crowds.
2. Displaying righteous, effective authority: people love winners, and they love the guy who brings justice - and that latter MEANS punishment in basic human psychology, it doesn't mean whining submission in the name of an abstract, it means doing material hurt to those who materially hurt others.

Blogger JDC January 22, 2017 9:21 AM  

Revelation 21:8
"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Blogger tuberman January 22, 2017 9:22 AM  

Of course, the super hard core terrorists, killers, bank robbers, kidnappers, and etc. will come out of the woodwork after the crackdown gets rid of the snowflakes, but the moral high grond against them becomes more obvious, even if the Lying Stream Media backs them up.

Anonymous The National Review January 22, 2017 9:25 AM  

The conservative case against prosecuting the rioters...

Blogger John rockwell January 22, 2017 9:26 AM  

@TheOtherDonald

Don't think castration is proscribed in the bible though. Death fines, whippings and forced labour for those unwilling to pay the fine outside until he has paid every last penny.

Whilst prison should allow for the wicked to save their souls from hell punishment must nonetheless be proportional to elict possible repentance and avoid the worse fate of falling into the hands of the living God.

Blogger John rockwell January 22, 2017 9:27 AM  

I mean among labour camps and death row not prisons per se.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 22, 2017 9:28 AM  

@38

Or it just warns them to get more serious sooner.

This is a sort of damned if you do, damned if you don't, or, at best, Melian Dialogue kind of problem. I don't know if I made it clear enough; I don't really have an answer and I mistrust my instincts which are, as usual, bloody minded.

Blogger GAHCindy January 22, 2017 9:29 AM  

I can't believe all the people here thinking locking them up won't "work". Of course it will work. It's like you're trying to drag out the chaos as long as possible. They think they'll get away with a slap on the wrist. Let them have their slap on the wrist, and there will be more of them next time. Give them what they deserve, to the fullest extent of the law, they dry up. Who cares how much they whine about it? Consequences work! Trump needs to prove that law and order are still possible. If he can't, and immediately, we lose. These attempts at making chess out of an easily winnable checkers game are silly, y'all. I get it, you're smart, so you can imagine a simple answer, but there it is. Just get some justice served as quickly as possible. That's what the left needs to see happen. It's what they're terrified of.

Blogger GAHCindy January 22, 2017 9:30 AM  

*can't* imagine a simple answer, rather. Sorry.

Blogger Dave January 22, 2017 9:34 AM  

What's with all this hand-wringing? Book 'em Danno; throw the book at 'em; lock 'em up and throw away the key.

Blogger en_forcer January 22, 2017 9:35 AM  

Has there been anything from the DOJ? There must be changes going on behind the scenes there.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit January 22, 2017 9:37 AM  

The left are over-indulged hypocrites, their battle cry is, "One rule for you, a different rule for me!" They need to be shown that is no longer tue - prosecute them to the full extent of the law.

Crucifixions/castrations would be nice but they are a real threat and need real solutions - jail 'em! Those middle-class "communist" little shits won't know what hit them in jail - it'll be a tsunami of consequences built up over decades.

Blogger Buybuydandavis January 22, 2017 9:37 AM  

VD wrote:As a tactical matter, doesn't the rioting cause more support for the right?

Only if the Right does something about it to bring it to an end.


Tactically, the riots are causing the Left to lose support.

But I'm leery of the too clever by half "let's take it because that will discredit them" strategy.

I like your "tactic" better, because beyond tactics, it's simply doing the right thing. Thugs should be held accountable. Uphold order.

That's the tactic I like. Govern the way you think you should. Trust that yields positive results, and the results help you win.

I see Trump moving on all fronts fast, while meanwhile yanking the media's chains to distract them from all he is doing. Lots of positive results coming fast. Heard rumor about defunding NEA. Rumored FDA commissioner candidates sound unbelievably fantastic.

And I just can't wait to see Trump on the Mexican border in a hardhat, touring the construction of the wall.

Blogger Lazarus January 22, 2017 9:42 AM  

If, in fact, anybody gets jail time it will be revolutionary, as The vast majority of criminal cases in Washington DC and across the country end in a plea agreement.

A quick search of rioting charges (Penn. State, P.A. flash mob) result in probation and a STERN WARNING!

Anonymous Mister M January 22, 2017 9:43 AM  

Do it now, strike while the iron is hot. Most people assume, correctly, that nothing happens to these people. If some were to be arrested, it would pleasantly surprise some of The Herd, and do something to chip away at the apathy.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 22, 2017 9:43 AM  

"Tactically, the riots are causing the Left to lose support."

The riots are theater, to make the sociopathic shits feel important and in control while entertaining themselves.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer January 22, 2017 9:44 AM  

I'd love to see Madonna and Ashley Judd and all the rest of them who made threatening comments, charged as well. If a regular Joe had said some of those things, he'd be charged.

Ashley Judd sounded unhinged, as in "off her meds" unhinged.

Listened to a couple of minutes of PBS this morning. Official lefty line is that Trump's success is backlash against equality. Whites are feeling unequal because they are losing a relative position of privilege. Whites need to get woke. Identity politics is fine for blacks because of past oppression, but not for whites because racisss.

Unaddressed is the question of what happens if whites don't get woke in the manner leftist and blacks mean.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker January 22, 2017 9:45 AM  

K Street got smashed up pretty good and K Street is geographically too close to the physical seat of power for comfort, hence the charges of felony rioting. Had "Right Wingers" rioted in response to "Hillary's Inauguration," the U.S. Attorneys Office in DC would have been the same. Though I admit that it is hard to imagine Right Wingers rioting about anything.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer January 22, 2017 9:48 AM  

Having thought about it, and read the comments, I accede that locking them up for extended periods would be tactically and strategically advantageous. After all, a good part of Trump's appeal was a return to normalcy and enforcement of law and order. Actually achieving that goal would be a huge win.

Blogger Cail Corishev January 22, 2017 9:51 AM  

A large part of Trump's support came from middle-Americans who didn't support him for our reasons, but responded to his call for a return to law and order and making America "safe" again. That's why he has to let the law make an example of these people. Not in a cackling, happy way; but in a resigned, resolute, "The law is the law, and those who break it have to pay the price because otherwise we have anarchy" way that those Americans respect and voted for.

Blogger Chris Mallory January 22, 2017 9:53 AM  

Lazarus wrote:If, in fact, anybody gets jail time it will be revolutionary, as The vast majority of criminal cases in Washington DC and across the country end in a plea agreement.

The system is set up for plea agreements. They spend so much time and money going after non crimes that pleas are the only way the system does not collapse under it's own weight.
Plus, the pleas count as wins. That is all the prosecutor wants, wins. they could care less about "justice". A plea agreement is a guaranteed "W". Put cases in front of juries and your 98% win rate will drop.

Blogger JACIII January 22, 2017 9:58 AM  

The reality of the rioters is they are lefty college boys. The LAST thing they want is to have their debutant militancy come home to roost in their real lives. Thus the masks.

A few of them end up in federal prison and, subsequently, a minimum wager for life and suddenly being a closeted militant doesn't look like such a good idea to the demographic.

It's the natural order of things and it works.

Anonymous Bobby Farr January 22, 2017 9:59 AM  

trump's appeal was based on his credible promise to take concrete action to further a right wing agenda, rather than being the usual establishment figure who tries to appease the right, co-opt them, while following the usual leftist program. Locking these people up will show he is serious and further galvanize his existing support on the right and neuter the left's army of violent lumpenproles. Giving the rioters a slap on the wrist would just win over a few of the "Dems R the Real Racists" types who revel in passivity and moral posturing.

Blogger Orville January 22, 2017 10:01 AM  

Moreover, it would provide a sound foundation for investigations into the serious RICO-violating criminal conspiracies behind the petty criminals.

Have Maximum Jeff Sessions prosecute to the very fullest, then chip just a little off if some of them will flip so they can roll up Soros' NGOs. That would leave a mark. Kind of hard to organize a riot if the money and direction from above dries up. Sessions can reach out to GEN Flynn and all his NSA goodies too.

Blogger Stilicho January 22, 2017 10:01 AM  

So make the theater less entertaining. Immediately pardon any citizen defending himself or others from these rioters (BLM, or other leftist groups) if charged with anything from reckless discharge to murder. Next, make rioting ridiculous: e.g. foam baths (the kind they spray with firehoses that makes rioting...difficult). Or even just the old fashioned fire hose on a cold day. Be imaginative in ridiculing and causing pain (emotional and physical).

Blogger Tom Kratman January 22, 2017 10:04 AM  

@59:

The left tends to take care of its own, JAC. Just as, so it was once, Disney would always give a job to someone who had an Undesirable Discharge from the military, so too will Jeff Bezos and WaPo and Soros find jobs for those 230 or so. Tossing them in prison, indeed, making prisons that are especially nasty for them would be punitive, but would still help their recruiting. (Note how little deterrent prison was to Sinn Fein and its supporters in Northern Ireland.)

Counter-rioting might work, with pardons for the right wing rioters and being stomped into jelly for the left. But there are issues with that, too.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 22, 2017 10:05 AM  

Stink spray is nice, too, Stil.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky January 22, 2017 10:06 AM  

Most of the Metropolitan DC police force now wears body cameras, naturally, considering that their masters are progs who hate them. Those cameras are to be used only against the police, as we saw during the inauguration when the DC police were ordered to turn those cameras off. They are not allowed to collect evidence against the Left, who were planning to misbehave. I had hoped that some officers would "forget" to turn them off, I guess that didn't happen.

If the police is stacked in favor of the rioters, you can bet the courts are, too. Before the inauguration you could find all kinds of information on the radio, on flyers in the street, on websites, pointing all the progs to the absolutely bewildering array of pro-bono legal services lined up ahead of time to aid any rioter in jeopardy. One group even put out a smartphone app to guide arrested rioters through the legal process after arrest.

I would advocate not only going after the rioters, but also going after the officials who ordered the police cameras turned off, and after the NGOs who no doubt receive federal grants to provide legal services for rioters, and after the makers of apps designed to facilitate riots.

Blogger Flyover Pilgrim January 22, 2017 10:09 AM  

If your child has a tantrum, and you do not correct and discipline that child, what do you get?

More tantrums, of course. "Triggleypuff," if you will.

Blogger Nate January 22, 2017 10:10 AM  

"The left tends to take care of its own, JAC. "

Yep. That's why the sentence has to be severe. Serving a year will just have them come out as martyrs. It will make lefty heros out of them.

Blogger Stilicho January 22, 2017 10:12 AM  

@ 64 'zactly, Tom. The keys are pain and taking away the desired result.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 22, 2017 10:12 AM  

The rioters are the top of the logistical spear of the Left. Let's break that spear into tiny pieces with RICO. Now, if only we had an Attorney General with experience in breaking up criminal enterprises and organizations...

Blogger Doom January 22, 2017 10:14 AM  

If Soros, or other globalist money, is involved go after them and that as well. The RICO Act, if still in use, would fit this perfectly. It, and other types, are domestic terrorism. Do it for every riot tied to his, Koch brothers, and other big money problem creators. Take down the money, cut off their boot on the ground legs, and this will go away faster than the shit-stain that was occupying the White House. Doing just one or the other will limp to closure, perhaps. Both will fix this quickly.

The question is, can he... does he have the power? And will he, does he have the will and does it serve his interests? We will see, I guess. I trust him enough that I think he has some will to this, not sure he has the pull. Presidents aren't kings, and even kings weren't kings.

Blogger Nate January 22, 2017 10:14 AM  

10 years though... no one will remember them when they get out.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 22, 2017 10:18 AM  

No, Nate; they'll never be forgotten. They'll be the Mummia of Tomorrowland. For fuck's sake, that idiot Dukakis (whom, yes, I really did call a "communist cocksucker" to his face when I was a young teen) is trying to get fucking Ethel Rosenberg posthumously pardoned. They don't forget and they don't give up.

Blogger The Kurgan January 22, 2017 10:20 AM  

Tom,
Vox is right. Give them 10 year sentences and so too to anyone else rioting anywhere. That will soon put a chill on chimping out.

Then amend the prison system so they have to work to produce the food they are fed. You work harder you get better food and access to books etc. You don't work, you starve and die.

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Blogger Otto Lamp January 22, 2017 10:29 AM  

The problem is you never HEAR about rioters being sentenced to anything.

Blogger John Williams January 22, 2017 10:29 AM  

@Synp Trump has no authority over this. Rioting is a state crime. District attorneys will decide.
The terrorists who bought tickets to the Deplora Ball used credit cards. Those transactions crossed state lines making them Federal Crimes. This isn't local, the planning & financing all crossed state lines making it Federal.

Blogger Chicago Robb January 22, 2017 10:33 AM  

The Felony Conviction is the key, as well as the fine, for the street arrests Really do not want to pay for " 3 Hots and a Cot" for them. The Felony on their record makes employment and even buying a home, far more difficult.
As for the higher ups, timing is everything. This could be seen as an attempt to overthrow the government. How did that work out for John Wilkes Booth's friends?

Anonymous Northern Refugee January 22, 2017 10:34 AM  

Some of you are missing the biggest benefit of felony charges: they will be excluded from government employment. Lots of these "radicals" end up working for some government agency or another, setting policy. I've seen it happen, even in the DoD. A felony conviction will keep them from passing a background check and will severely hamper their career choices. This is all part of draining the swamp.

Blogger Basil Makedon January 22, 2017 10:34 AM  

@72 Ordinarily, I would agree with you. However, the "Narrative" works best when you have one or two victims -- Ethel Rosenberg, Michael Brown, etc. When you have several hundred, it is more difficult.

Trump is going to create thousands and tens of thousands of "victims," and so I think these fools will be forgotten (as they should be).

Blogger Basil Makedon January 22, 2017 10:36 AM  

@77 Yes, indeed. And when you have multiple predicate offenses that adds up to RICO. The Democrat party is the nation's largest RICO target.

Blogger synp January 22, 2017 10:36 AM  

Sjonnar wrote:He does. The riots happened in DC, and DC falls under federal jurisdiction.
The riots happened everywhere. They can charge them in DC. Still have to go through a jury. For all the riots in other places, those probably won't even be prosecuted.

Blogger Otto Lamp January 22, 2017 10:37 AM  

@tuberman,

Guilianni took the broken windows approach. If you allow small crimes to pass (breaking windows), then the bigger crimes become common, so you don't allow the small crimes to slide.

Applying this to rioters, we need to come down hard on ANY non-violent protest. Madonna should be (very publicly) charged with inciting a crime.

Anonymous Eduardo January 22, 2017 10:38 AM  

Because rioting is perceived as civil disobidience even if causes property damage.

Persecuting rioters just make people believe that the estate is hunting down rights and revoging them.

If Trump was to send these people to jail he has to do it appealing to the law and divorcing himself from the situation otherwise: Trump=Literally Hitler #StrongTogetherLikeMeatballs

Anonymous Iron Spartan January 22, 2017 10:39 AM  

For the moment, these riots and protests seem to be driving the middle to the right. and they are burning down their own strongholds. I feel caught between wanting to see them crushed and never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 22, 2017 10:39 AM  

Joe:

Amending the prison system to that is probably no more possible than my call to return all common law felonies to capital status. As for the second...it's just not that clear to me.

Blogger JACIII January 22, 2017 10:40 AM  

Tom Kratman wrote:No, Nate; they'll never be forgotten. They'll be the Mummia of Tomorrowland. For fuck's sake, that idiot Dukakis (whom, yes, I really did call a "communist cocksucker" to his face when I was a young teen) is trying to get fucking Ethel Rosenberg posthumously pardoned. They don't forget and they don't give up.



They are not invested to the level of a Sinn Fein. This is why their hard prosecution will be controversial. They are pasty SJW's looking to virtue signal, hit, and run. And hide. They want to show their friends the vids of them throwing rocks in masks for social cred. They don't really care about their stated cause other than as a vehicle for social self aggrandizement and preening.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 22, 2017 10:41 AM  

JAC< true to an extent, but they'll become human enough as the masks come off at trial.

Anonymous Northern Refugee January 22, 2017 10:41 AM  

" Still have to go through a jury"

That's fine. For a middle class family, the process is the punishment. Lawyer fees, court costs, travel, bail, stress. All of these will hurt the average middle class antifa rioter. Even if juries don't convict, serious pain will be inflicted. And even being charged with a felony is enough to prevent you from many jobs.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 22, 2017 10:43 AM  

I side with Vox's opinion. The "normie" conservatives want the old usual ways of conservatism to work, and if we play "let the radicals have free reign for a year" it will diminish support for Trump amongst them.

But in the meantime our rhetoric can put the blame on the coming civil war on the Left.

Anonymous Eduardo January 22, 2017 10:44 AM  

JAC

Maybe the people in the streets, but the ones who creates these rallies and riots, they are one hundred per cent committed with their way of thinking and truthfulness and righteousness of their beliefs.

These ones never forget.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 22, 2017 10:49 AM  

"The Left is pushing this country towards civil war."

It really is simpler than you intellectuals make it out to be.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 22, 2017 10:54 AM  

@90

Well...the question there is, is this war or is it something else. If it's war, look to Cannae and 2nd Kharkov. If it's something else then maybe.

OpenID basementhomebrewer January 22, 2017 11:00 AM  

Did anyone actually watch some of the coverage? They had a bonfire in the middle of the street in front of the washington post which lasted more than an hour. There were at most 20 rioters surrounded by at least double that number of "journalists" taking pictures of them. I am hoping that was allowed to happen because Trump was not in charge yet. A reasonable response would have been for a few of the overwhelming number of police to swoop in arrest those who cooperate and bust the heads of all others. The whole thing should have been stopped before they even lit the fire. Dragging newspaper machines and benches into the middle of the street is pretty conspicuous.

Blogger Cail Corishev January 22, 2017 11:01 AM  

I think we tend to overthink these things. If you described these crimes to our grandfathers, they would say, "Lock them away [or worse]." Then they'd look at you funny, wondering why you asked such a dumb question.

As others have said, these are mostly not committed martyrs for a cause. Some are just low-level criminals taking an opportunity to do what they do; others are attention-seeking brats who got recruited, by either pay or herd behavior, into breaking the law and destroying property. So you prosecute them. It's not complicated.

And use whatever sedition laws are on the books, plus Obama's executive orders, to go after anyone who recruited them. If some of them want to turn evidence against their recruiters, that would be an opportunity to be merciful through a plea deal.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 22, 2017 11:02 AM  

Salt wrote:National constitutional concealed carry. Shop owners defending property. If the left wants a war, bring it on.

All that and a stand your ground law.

Tom Kratman wrote:This is a sort of damned if you do, damned if you don't, or, at best, Melian Dialogue kind of problem. I don't know if I made it clear enough; I don't really have an answer and I mistrust my instincts which are, as usual, bloody minded.

Nothing bloody about our host's proposal. Crucifying rioters might not go over well with the normies; it's both cruel and unusual. Jailing them for ten years makes the normies happy, scares the lefties, and gives prosecutors serious leverage to go looking for the scum who are funding this stuff.

What's the downside? They might try to escalate in response - but there is room in the jails if they do. More organized riots means more chances to expose the paymasters to RICO prosecution, too. More riots means more chances for Trump to explain the virtues of law and order, in a ``more in sorrow than in anger'' tone.

Doing nothing about liberal riots is what's been tried and found wanting. Definitely time to try something else.

Blogger Elocutioner January 22, 2017 11:05 AM  

Giuliani and the squeegee men comes to mind. Everyone said it was an insurmountable problem but after a brief time it turned out that the number of perps was actually quite low and just a relatively few arrests solved the problem.

These rioters are bused in across state lines - how many are there really? Are these goons from the same limited pool of OWS/WTO/BLM/etc. protestors? Start draining that swamp and find out.

RICO - the article the other day about SDS/Weathermen made it clear that the big thing behind the bombings was organization. Thanks to O'Keefe / Project Veritas we know who some of them are. We know SEIU loves to bus people in. We know the DNC funds these groups. Hell, we know the DOJ paid for and organized protesters to march on the Gov's office during the Trayvon thing. An non-political FBI investigation will turn up some VERY interesting things.

Make examples of these little commie bastards (real Americans are sick to damn death of seeing our cities burned by lawless thugs and NOTHING has done about it) and follow the money. Even the gender studies loons can calculate that 10 years isn't worth the $300 from Soros for a night of rioting.

Blogger VD January 22, 2017 11:06 AM  

I'm in need of a quality national news website for my homepage that is well organized, user friendly and far right non cuck leaning.

Wait a few weeks.

Anonymous Eduardo January 22, 2017 11:09 AM  

Ooooh. Vox over shadowing his future news organization!!!!

GalacticNews. Or InfoNews. VoxNews? DayNews...

Blogger Derrick Ruiz January 22, 2017 11:11 AM  

Where were the bikers for Trump? Where was the meat wall? Looks like they were a no show at the entrance to the inauguration. I heard women were being pushed and hit.

Blogger JohnR219 January 22, 2017 11:11 AM  

Most of them won't be able to handle prison. They will be made bitches...

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 22, 2017 11:11 AM  

Cail,

My grandfather and great grandfather would have beat the shit out of the rioters themselves.

My great grandfather specialized in beating up hippies and faggots during the 60's.

Blogger VFM #7634 January 22, 2017 11:12 AM  

Women who come to the conclusion that a given man is a Delta/Gamma will build up contempt for him, and will often get very pissed if he sacks up and starts displaying Alpha/Sigma behavior. (I'm not sure if it's because she perceives his new attitude as his being extra Gamma or what, but it appears to be 100% true.)

So here, it's the same thing, collectively. Mr. White America has been acting like a Delta/Gamma for so long, and now Mrs. White America is reacting the exact same way to The Trumpening.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 22, 2017 11:17 AM  

I'll bet a good fiat buck that the goon white kid from Ohio who jumped up on the stage at a Trump rally has been one of the locus points for violence. I bet his social media feed is evidence enough for a long sentence after a very lengthy and expensive trial that his mother a high ranking muckety muck in Atlanta politics will partially bear.

Take it with basic Rabbit psychology, no rabbit wants to bear the other rabbit's burden, which means we tie the radicals to the normie Kos posting libtards. No painless virtue signaling allowed.

Bring the mental and emotional pain to the average Lefty and they crumble, the days of George Will informing us of the omnipotent unstoppable inevitable Left are literally over.

Blogger pyrrhus January 22, 2017 11:19 AM  

Absolutely right. The God-Emperor can pardon them in his second term if he wants to be merciful...

Blogger allyn71 January 22, 2017 11:19 AM  

@85 Iron Spartan

For the moment, these riots and protests seem to be driving the middle to the right. and they are burning down their own strongholds. I feel caught between wanting to see them crushed and never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.

How about encouraging your enemy when he is making a mistake. If the Trump DOJ goes after these guys hard and looks for felony convictions and 10 yr sentences the left will double down and scream "Literally Hitler" even more and point to the arrests as evidence for the claim. More wailing and gnashing of teeth will ensue. This is a good thing, the left's insanity is Trump's 2020 re-election campaign.

This is forcing people to choose side and removing all the masks. Moar!!

Blogger Ceerilan January 22, 2017 11:20 AM  

@94

[b]Did anyone actually watch some of the coverage? They had a bonfire in the middle of the street in front of the washington post which lasted more than an hour. There were at most 20 rioters surrounded by at least double that number of "journalists" taking pictures of them.[/b]

If that's true, you can arrest the "journalists" for inciting a riot. Simply use their own photographs as evidence.

Blogger pyrrhus January 22, 2017 11:21 AM  

@89 Yes, exactly. The process will be excruciating, and just being convicted of a felony prevents you from ever being employed by the Federal government or Federal contractors....

Blogger pyrrhus January 22, 2017 11:24 AM  

I can say from personal experience with kids who have gotten convicted of very minor felonies, sometimes due to prosecutorial over-charging, that the consequences are VERY sobering for them....

Anonymous JustAnotherPairOfEyes January 22, 2017 11:29 AM  

"And as a bonus, none of those convicted will ever be permitted to vote again." I burst into laughter.

The thing to note is that these are Federal officers. I'm not sure that the same thing can be accomplished in leftist cities.

Also, it's worth clicking thru to the Daily Mail article. It has a nice photo showing what it looks like after they pepper spray a "young anti-Trump protester".

Blogger Jeff January 22, 2017 11:32 AM  

Few assumptions we can make:

- Most if not all of the rioters were non-D.C. residents. Someone paid for them to travel to D.C. and they crossed state lines to commit a crime.
- Most likely all of them communicated via email OR text/cellular across state lines.
- Someone organized them, told them where to rally, what to do, etc...

We could keep going, in short, all this adds up to a good beginning for a RICO case.

In addition, you don't necessarily (and I advocate for this position) have to prosecute each case the same. Some of the those arrested will have committed more acts or "worse" acts that fall under "rioting"; some will have prior criminal records; some will be "cherries" and scared; some mid-level leaders, etc... anyhow, prosecution SHOULD start playing all of them against each other and build the case. Turn some into informants, make examples of others. In the end, the goal should be to go for the leaders and money. Start arresting and asset forfeiture on the big money/leadership. There is a lot that can be done with this. I haven't been disappointed in Trump and his team yet, I would be shocked if they don't take full advantage of yet another gift from the enemy.

Blogger Bard January 22, 2017 11:34 AM  

What to do about the out of control no consequence bat shit crazy lesbian women that march with nipple umbrellas and pussy hats? Oh yeah, sorry, no one takes that bunch seriously. Carry on.

Blogger VD January 22, 2017 11:37 AM  

How about encouraging your enemy when he is making a mistake. If the Trump DOJ goes after these guys hard and looks for felony convictions and 10 yr sentences the left will double down and scream "Literally Hitler" even more and point to the arrests as evidence for the claim.

So the fuck what? You're completely ignoring the demoralization of Trump's own support if he does the same damn thing that every other Republican since Nixon has done, which is nothing.

Do whatever fires up your own side and demoralizes the other side. In this case, that is prosecuting them hard, to the full extent of the law.

Blogger Elizabeth January 22, 2017 11:39 AM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Cail,

My grandfather and great grandfather would have beat the shit out of the rioters themselves.

My great grandfather specialized in beating up hippies and faggots during the 60's.


The Hard Hat Riot in 1971 (I apologize that it's on Wikipedia):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_Hat_Riot

My father was a WWII vet and I could see him joining in the fun of busting lefties heads.


Blogger Lazarus January 22, 2017 11:39 AM  

Bard wrote:What to do about the out of control no consequence bat shit crazy lesbian women that march with nipple umbrellas and pussy hats?

Just refer to it as a "Pussy Riot" which also happens to be the name of the punk band arrested in Russia and given a 2 year sentence.

Blogger Stilicho January 22, 2017 11:40 AM  

Give the rioters free veggie burritos deep fried in olestra a few hours before the riot. Film results. Laugh. Make them clean up their own mess.

Anonymous crushlimbraw January 22, 2017 11:41 AM  

And that is why they had public hangings!

Anonymous Crispy January 22, 2017 11:41 AM  

Enforcing the rule of law sounds like a good idea. "Catch and release" has been the status quo with lefty agitators for too long. The " #DisruptJ20 folks are expecting quick release after arrest.

"Our jail support team uses information from our legal hotline to track down protesters in trouble, follow them through the system, keep their friends in the loop, and, finally, greet them upon their release with a crowd of supporters, food, drink, and hugs.

"For anyone who has legal entanglements that take them in the days and weeks after the Inauguration, we will be providing you with support the entire way through the legal process."

Blogger CynicalMan January 22, 2017 11:43 AM  

Violence and the threat of violence is how they operate. It is the same tactic used by the Islamists and other such terrorists. Unless we are willing to accept more of the same nothing will change.

Anonymous daddynichol January 22, 2017 11:44 AM  

The bulk of the rioters are low level nobodies. File fed charges against them, and, if found guilty, lock them up. If this is done in a very low profile manner, they will be quickly forgotten. The 24 hour news cycle will not permit focusing on the plight of a window smasher. The left may have funds to defend a few, but not hundreds that could be arrested at every leftist protest. It will stretch their resources especially if the base funding and organizing is found to fall under RICO, then the top echelon will be more concerned about their potential fed prison ass raping time and will have to tell the low level grunts, "You're on your own, son."

A federal felony conviction will come at a great price.

Also, when they are arrested, put them in the worst holding cell. The little gamma or lambda will live in abject real terror until he gets released.

Anonymous krymneth January 22, 2017 11:46 AM  

In addition to the other fine reasons to throw the book at them, remember, we're taking about the people we call "snowflakes". The left has been so unopposed when rioting for so long that they are very flabby and full of lots of people who aren't actually willing to experience consequences. Showing that as a real possibility to them may make the inner core more resolved, but that's a constant anyhow. There's no chance of dropping leftist agitation to zero. But in this snowflake era, it can be fully expected to devestate their masses of support. A lot of them are trying to strike poses, not actually go to jail or anything.

Lock 'em up, pour encourager les autres.

Blogger allyn71 January 22, 2017 11:50 AM  

@113 VD

How about encouraging your enemy when he is making a mistake. If the Trump DOJ goes after these guys hard and looks for felony convictions and 10 yr sentences the left will double down and scream "Literally Hitler" even more and point to the arrests as evidence for the claim.

So the fuck what? You're completely ignoring the demoralization of Trump's own support if he does the same damn thing that every other Republican since Nixon has done, which is nothing.

Umm you left out the part where I said this is good and we need moar!! I agree that Trump should go after these guys, hard! The left is overplaying their hand, aggressive prosecutions will create more overreaction and further alienate people, give the troops some red meat, and generally be a lot of fun.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab January 22, 2017 11:53 AM  

The left has supported their Brown shirts forever. Bill Ayers had a buddy in the white house. Ten years hard labor, followed by long strict probation. Anyone who knowingly helps them break their probation faces legal consequences. Organizers, moneymen and anyone providing rioters with logistics gets the same.

Empower police to stop riots screw the visuals. Use any and all tools.

Blogger CynicalMan January 22, 2017 11:54 AM  

Like most other behaviors, the more you tolerate criminal behavior the more criminal behavior you are going to get. The only solution is not to tolerate undesirable behavior.

Blogger arsenic74.9 January 22, 2017 11:55 AM  

Just need to get a felony conviction, one day prison term. The felony conviction will get them off the voter rolls

Anonymous Gen. Kong January 22, 2017 11:55 AM  

Northern Refugee wrote:
Some of you are missing the biggest benefit of felony charges: they will be excluded from government employment. Lots of these "radicals" end up working for some government agency or another, setting policy. I've seen it happen, even in the DoD. A felony conviction will keep them from passing a background check and will severely hamper their career choices. This is all part of draining the swamp.


I believe Shitcongo Jeezus issued an EO that felons must be hired, because too many dindus have felony convictions. Apparently having one doesn't stop a felon from being a member of congress (Alcee Hastings, for example). Even so, Trump could rescind that any all of Hussein's EOs.

Another advantage is that it prevents them from legally owning a firearm (not that such laws are ever deterrents for SJWs any more than they are for your friendly neighborhood Shitavious). Brick Hardslab made a fine post yesterday in the Milo thread on the subject of SJW convergence and control of the police at all levels, which I post here:

Brick Hardslab wrote:
We've changed over the years how we handle a riot. The reason we generally cannot handle them properly is that the rioters are actually working towards the same interests as the people in charge. If a group formed a mob to say, take a pedophile from police custody and lynch him it would be met with deadly force. If the right was protesting Milo because he really was a 'fabulous faggot' and his tour was celebrating getting sodomized by black men they would end the protests before they started and prosecute the organizers.

It is all who-whom just look at the Malheur peaceful sit ins. The government worked hard to radicalize it so they could justify lethal force (however flimsily). And they shot a guy at a traffic stop.

As long as the left is in control of institutions riots from the left will be 'mostly peaceful protests'. Group action on the right will be dangerous insurrection and treated as such. That needs to change or we'll never take back our country.

Blogger pyrrhus January 22, 2017 11:57 AM  

@110 The thing to note is that these are Federal officers. I'm not sure that the same thing can be accomplished in leftist cities.

It seems to me that rioters who injure people or destroy property are violating the civli rights of other American citizens. Voila, Federal jurisdiction!

Blogger pyrrhus January 22, 2017 12:00 PM  

"I believe Shitcongo Jeezus issued an EO that felons must be hired, because too many dindus have felony convictions."

That EO won't be around long, and my personal experience suggests it didn't extend to DOD contractors, where felons continue to be excluded...

Blogger Lazarus January 22, 2017 12:02 PM  

arsenic74.9 wrote:Just need to get a felony conviction, one day prison term. The felony conviction will get them off the voter rolls

Really?

WASHINGTON — Gov. Terry McAuliffe of Virginia used his executive power on Friday to restore voting rights to more than 200,000 convicted felons, circumventing the Republican-run legislature.

Anonymous Desert Rat January 22, 2017 12:03 PM  

The main thing is that these criminals be charged, tried and convicted. Whether they get 10 years or 1 year is nothing to me but there must be real time served.

Where I live there are still chain gangs in use (or there were, Sheriff Joe is gone and who knows what the pussy who replaced him will do). Put these people to work doing something constructive. For most of them real work will be completely unfamiliar and a terrible shock to the system. Who knows, some of them might even learn a useful trade.

If blue states refuse to prosecute that is OK with me. Let them riot to their heart's content in Seattle or New York. I think red state governors would follow the lead of President Trump's justice dept. and put some real hurt on these criminals.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 22, 2017 12:06 PM  

@129"

Not so much: https://commonwealth.virginia.gov/judicial-system/restoration-of-rights/

Blogger Tom Kratman January 22, 2017 12:07 PM  

@130:

That is actually more clever than you may know. Making rioting a serious problem in red states will drive them to riot in Blue. Rioting in blue will tend to turn them somewhat red.

Blogger SDaly January 22, 2017 12:07 PM  

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Blogger pyrrhus January 22, 2017 12:16 PM  

Bottom line is that deterrence works. Just charging these people and forcing them to plead guilty or go to trial will put tremendous pressure on the left's grassroots support, and, as VD points out, will reinforce Trump's support.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab January 22, 2017 12:19 PM  

No do not let them have a safe haven any where. Ruthlessly prosecute them as all have supporters and organizers that cross state lines. Radicals used local governments in the seventies to fund these criminals. Do not give them the same chance again. Any time you provide a safe haven they can spread from there.

Remove the money men, remove the political supporters, hit them hard. Who gives a rat's behind if they, 'organize in prison'? They get carte blanche now. I like Steve's suggestion, internal exile. Find the most unpleasant place in Alaska and let them riot for ten years. One road in or out and no physical visiting privileges.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab January 22, 2017 12:20 PM  

Sorry, 'rot for ten years', not riot.

Blogger VD January 22, 2017 12:24 PM  

Really?

On July 22, 2016, the Virginia Supreme Court ruled that the Executive Orders issued by Governor Terence R. McAuliffe on April 22, 2016, May 31, 2016, and June 24, 2016, restoring the civil rights to more than 200,000 Virginians, were unconstitutional. The court directed the Secretary of the Commonwealth to delete from the records any individuals who had their rights restored under these orders, and for the Department of Elections to cancel the voter registration of any individual who had been restored under these orders.

As a result of the Supreme Court decision, if your rights were restored on April 22, May 31 or June 24, your rights have been revoked. Click here to request your rights be re-restored by the Governor.

Blogger tz January 22, 2017 12:33 PM  

Lock them up.
Then lock her up.

Trump can always commute the sentences later when the left caves. They are TERRORISTS and belong in GITMO. Felony rioting is light for what they did.

Consider what western ranchers get for building ponds... Can we build a guillotine on the mall?

It will also draw the line between silly and shrill peaceful thousand slut walk protests and violence.

Riot and burn down a sanctuary city, not Trumpland.

Blogger TerryC January 22, 2017 12:36 PM  

You do know that the courts will be handling these prosecutions and sentencing, don't you? What has that got to do with President Trump?

Blogger Tom Kratman January 22, 2017 12:36 PM  

Yes, really. But the governor still has power to restore civil rights, as he's always had, on a case by case basis.

Anonymous Sten Vilnik January 22, 2017 12:39 PM  

If Trump signed an agreement with NK for prison services (i.e. they handle the housing of prisoners from the US) that might cause some second thoughts in the dorm rooms.

Blogger Orville January 22, 2017 12:39 PM  

Cut the head off. There's plenty of RICO action against Soros and others... http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-22/ex-wsj-reporter-finds-soros-has-ties-more-50-partners-women%E2%80%99s-march-washington

Dump the dopers out of prison and make room for the trigglypuffs and manginas.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab January 22, 2017 12:41 PM  

The trolls are working to discredit this idea. I'm not sure they are the paid bunch yet but they sure do not like the idea they might be held accountable.

Blogger JWM in SD January 22, 2017 12:41 PM  

Anyone else see the video of Spencer getting sucker punched? Apparently it was the second time in an hour or so by the same assailant. I don't agree with him about a number of issues but in the video he goes on to express concern over the escalation of violent tactics being used relative to just a couple of years ago. It's getting worse quite clearly.

Blogger tz January 22, 2017 12:42 PM  

Charge Soros and his son under RICO.

@30, I.e. castrate and release. But it isn't as if they won't have sex.


To avoid the cost (come on, they are going to lock up everyone from the Bundy ranch), suspend the sentence and 10 years probation but one slip (including incitement) and they have to serve the full term.

Blogger Matamoros January 22, 2017 12:43 PM  

From Jim Stone:

ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT LIKELY THWARTED BY MILITARY "UMBRELLA CREW"

FACT: JUST LIKE ON 911, WHEN THE BBC REPORTED BUILDING 7 FELL BEFORE IT DID, THE BBC TWEETED DONALD TRUMP HAD BEEN SHOT AND IS BLAMING HACKERS FOR IT. I SAY FAT CHANCE ON THE HACKERS.



Why do I not think it was hackers? Because it is not the first time the BBC screwed up like this, they also did with building 7, and because there is as Trump left the podium after his speech, with someone saying "it never went down" and "umbrella crew", which was supposedly there to "hand out umbrellas" got up twice, in a way that was obviously not practiced, and stood behind Trump. Logic has it then that somebody was behind the glass behind Trump with a concealed weapon that was hidden in something mundane, someone knew about it but did not find the weapon, and an assassination attempt was stopped. BBC's gaffe with building 7 forever pegs them as an organization that is deeply involved in scripting huge black ops.

I am giving this a 90 - 100 percent probability: They tried to take out Trump and failed, and it goes all the way up to the highest reaches of British government and global elite.

This would also mean that the white hats have more power than the black hats. There is a high probability that Trump really will be able to "Make America Great Again".


EXTREMELY ZEALOUS SECURITY STIFLED ATTENDANCE FOR TRUMP INAUGURATION BUT PREVENTED AN ASSASSINATION

Trump's attempted attendance was probably the largest in history, but out of necessity security stifled it to stop an umbrella gun shooter

Many many people showed up, but were prevented from entering due to an umbrella gun threat.

Anonymous sent: "I left at 4 am to beat the protest today and arrived home about three hours ago. I am exhausted.

I was awake and left my hotel around 7am. Walked about 20 blocks. There were 10's of thousands of people on the non ticket line, and the line was incredibly slow.

Everyone behind me for about 7 blocks, 5-7 wide on the sidewalks did not get in either. I was three blocks away when the inauguration started. I followed many others and many stayed.

I tried to make my way to the parade route, and that was a cluster fuck as well. Slow lines, searching everything, taking everyones umbrellas.

Ok, so there you have it. Many showed, and few entered. They were not allowed. AND THE UMBRELLA COMMENT: There is a report here about an assassination attempt on Trump that was reported by the BBC, just like the BBC did with building 7. It was obviously supposed to happen but someone stopped it.

MY GUESS: There was a credible threat about Trump getting assassinated with an umbrella gun. It was raining, probably due to weather modification to get the umbrella gun in. But they were confiscating umbrellas to thwart the umbrella shooter threat.

There is a report on this page about the BBC reporting Trump had been shot. So my guess is it was planned and stopped via rigorous umbrella confiscation and very zealous security that was attempting to stop a known about assassin that stifled Trump's attendance crowd but kept him safe. They were successful.

Blogger Matamoros January 22, 2017 12:46 PM  

From Jim Stone:

Mexican news announcer STUNNED by Trump protesters

They are the exact same professionals that frequently riot in Mexico

They played clear footage of the violent protesters who smashed windows and did other mayhem on Mexican TV. The news announcer was not ready for what she would see, and was not warned. They just played uncensored footage. And when the camera went back to her, she had an absolutely STUNNED white face, stuttered for a few seconds and said "THOSE ARE THE EXACT SAME RIOTERS THAT GO THROUGH AND DESTROY THINGS IN MEXICO!" They wore the same clothes, had the same emblems, the exact same type of camera footage, it was obviously the same people. I thought the riots in Mexico were a project done by the Mexican government when footage from Mexico showed because the rioters were obviously professional, and operate with impunity, but obviously if they showed up in America for the same gig, it is not a Mexican outfit.

The rioters are at least definitely a professional group that do it as a job. They have to be either directly employed by George Soros or some other scam outfit like the CIA that can operate across borders and put their riot trolls wherever they want them. When they showed up in the U.S., this news announcer who had seen all the footage of these rioters from every riot in Mexico recognized them instantly, and said it out loud, on Mexican MSM, for all to see. I guess they should have debriefed her first. Her reaction was classic.

As I said, there would be ZERO legitimate protest against Trump. It is all staged, pumped up, and anyone who does show up that is not part of the program is just a dupe who fell for the huge amount of publicity the MSM has dreamed up about nothing at all.

Blogger tz January 22, 2017 12:46 PM  

Oh, and lock them up near DC, away from their friends and families while we discuss a plea bargain - slowly.
I come back to the Bundy supporters didn't destroy any property, and the leftards should not be treated more gently than them.

Blogger tz January 22, 2017 12:50 PM  

TheRalph pled to a felony and he didn't burn a limousine.
I'm tired of having a brutal police and prosecutorial system for middle class whites, and hand-slaps for violent lefties.
We were and are never shown mercy.
Why should we be cuck merciful?

Blogger Elocutioner January 22, 2017 12:50 PM  

The sooner we start deportations the sooner prison population concerns will be allayed.

Blogger Matamoros January 22, 2017 12:56 PM  

The First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

These people are rioters, not peaceful protesters, and part of the "all enemies foreign and domestic", and the full force of the government needs to fall on them.

Blogger James Dixon January 22, 2017 1:04 PM  

> Locking up Madonna who threatened to blow up the White House...

You mean Madonna wasn't to busy keeping her promise to blow other things? Surprise, surprise. SJW's always lie.

> Maybe not locking up but how about filming them where they didn't expected it,

Most of the really violent protesters seem to have been wearing masks.

> Though I admit that it is hard to imagine Right Wingers rioting about anything.

Rioting isn't what you have to worry about with right wingers, no.

> A few of them end up in federal prison and, subsequently, a minimum wager for life and suddenly being a closeted militant doesn't look like such a good idea to the demographic.

Exactly.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 22, 2017 1:06 PM  

"You mean Madonna wasn't to busy keeping her promise to blow other things? Surprise, surprise. SJW's always lie."

And, apparently, whatever their other lack of virtues, at least _our_ sluts are women of their word. Google: Paola Saulino Pompa Tour.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl January 22, 2017 1:09 PM  

Hmmm...

Trump should bring back Posse Comitatus and assign it to, and deputize, state militia groups. Go Duterte on the Reds. Figuratively, of course.

Blogger tz January 22, 2017 1:09 PM  

One more consideration.
What if the Left escalates? And not just in blue areas.

Someone was shot outside the Milo lecture in Seattle.

There are two 4GW aspects, first the morality of the cause, but also the WILL to WIN.

They are willing to play insurgent. Now who is ready to do the next step - bearing the consequences v.s. imposing the consequences.

Lock them up, no or high bail, restrictive conditions, and let it drag a bit.

(I so want Mark Ruffalo, Martin Sheen, and Merul Streep to vandalize and burn Rodeo drive in protest).

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl January 22, 2017 1:11 PM  

@153 Tom Kratman

Mercedes Carrera is definitely a porn actress. Whatever your belief on pornography/prostitution, she describes herself as such. And delivers.

Honesty is so underappreciated.

Blogger cheddarman January 22, 2017 1:12 PM  

I hope the Trump administration will go after the head of beast and not the tail. Go after the organizers and people who pay the bills.


Anonymous BBGKB January 22, 2017 1:12 PM  

consequences; they will have lots of expensive lawyers and all sorts of people attempting to negotiate negligible penalties on their behalf

For best results try them at different courthouses all at the same day so the expensive jew lawyers can't make it everywhere. However, the ones that get arrested are the 80IQ payees that wont learn from experience.

As a tactical matter, doesn't the rioting cause more support for the right?

Only if media covers it, 5 jews decided to turn the camera off at this generations Reginald Denny last summer.

If a 10-year sentence drives more of the f***ers into the street, give them 10-year sentences as well.

Offer pardons to bikers who defend events, since these are federal criminals let Sheriff Joe set up a federal prison in the desert so the will be stuck only talking to illegals.

said "castrate and release". And have an affirmative action employee sterilize the equipment, like the dentist office too lazy to autoclave.

10 years though... no one will remember them when they get out. Their prison lovers will.

Thanks to O'Keefe / Project Veritas we know who some of them are

When I saw the first riot planning video being held at Comet Ping Pong I wondered how deep the hole is.

Start arresting and asset forfeiture on the big money/leadership. Make Soros cough up 33 tons of Ukraine's gold.

It is all who-whom just look at the Malheur peaceful sit ins.

The bird sanctuary had more paid federal agitators than people arrested. Even mamma jugs and the gun range owner who ran security at the sanctuary.

This would also mean that the white hats have more power than the black hats

The black hats are lazy and have all the other bad habits of evil people.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl January 22, 2017 1:13 PM  

cheddarman wrote:I hope the Trump administration will go after the head of beast and not the tail. Go after the organizers and people who pay the bills.



This would technically be conspiracy to commit felonious vandalism, among other capital crimes.

Hell, they might even be able to RICO their asses if there were coordination and communication.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor January 22, 2017 1:20 PM  

If Trump was to send these people to jail he has to do it appealing to the law and divorcing himself from the situation otherwise: Trump=Literally Hitler #StrongTogetherLikeMeatballs

They've already been comparing Trump to Hitler for a year and half. They've played the Hitler card and it didn't work. The left is out of rhetorical ammo.

Blogger Ingot9455 January 22, 2017 1:22 PM  

I have read that in the Ferguson rioting and the Baltimore rioting; there is a group of organizers who fly in and start ginning things up on the ground AND the cops/feds know who they are. Of course, anything Obama-controlled would never pursue them and they'll have the best defenses money can buy.

But the feds have infinite money and infinite harassment, and you have to get the small fry to get the evidence up the chain. Punish everywhere, full-court press. You're not killing people so you don't make martyrs. You're just putting people in jail for real crimes, not free speech.

OT: According to Heat Street reporting at http://heatst.com/culture-wars/protest-at-milo-yiannopoulos-event-at-university-of-washington-ends-in-gunfire/ it looks like the shooting was a friendly fire incident. One of the antifas shot another antifa when he saw a swastika tattoo - except it was a swastika tattoo inside a red circle with a bar down it. The shooter was in fact arrested, if it's correct. Hear hear.

Blogger Nick S January 22, 2017 1:24 PM  

Trump should sign an executive order instructing all administrative departments to expedite the processing and clear all pending FOIA requests from the last eight years. You want to play games, Chuck? Let's play.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl January 22, 2017 1:32 PM  

Noah B The MacroAggressor wrote:If Trump was to send these people to jail he has to do it appealing to the law and divorcing himself from the situation otherwise: Trump=Literally Hitler #StrongTogetherLikeMeatballs

They've already been comparing Trump to Hitler for a year and half. They've played the Hitler card and it didn't work. The left is out of rhetorical ammo.


This, very much.

When you're Hitler for wanting lower taxes for businesses and wanting lower taxes for households that make less than 100k a year...

Or you're Hitler for saying "hey, maybe we shouldn't be getting involved in stupid wars..."

Basically, anything is Hitlerian. They've nothing but fanatics, criminals, and power-mad bureaucrats on their side anymore.

Anonymous BRZ MK January 22, 2017 1:34 PM  

I think it is a equivocation to say that riots cause support for the right.
It is true that most people don´t like riots and most rioters are leftists.
If the opposition can credibly say they will stop the riots when elected, then people will vote left to stop the rioting, even if it is the left itself who does the rioting.

Blogger Elocutioner January 22, 2017 1:36 PM  

@BBGKB "When I saw the first riot planning video being held at Comet Ping Pong I wondered how deep the hole is."

I noticed that too but hadn't seen anyone else mention it. I'm sure it wasn't lost on the online sleuths.

Blogger Owen January 22, 2017 1:41 PM  

I could not believe it when I heard the Hitlerian comment. Nothing at all like Hitler. I am so tired of the lying media. And the violent protesters should be imprisoned. If they think they're going to scare us into submission, they're crazier than they act.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl January 22, 2017 1:45 PM  

Owen wrote:I could not believe it when I heard the Hitlerian comment. Nothing at all like Hitler. I am so tired of the lying media. And the violent protesters should be imprisoned. If they think they're going to scare us into submission, they're crazier than they act.



Right? Do they even know what they're doing? They really think calling a cashier at a grocery store a "NAZIIIIII who deserves to die because white!" is going to work?

It's the zero-sum - if everything makes you a NAZI!!, well, there's no purpose in compromise anymore.

Anonymous spencer for hire January 22, 2017 1:55 PM  

Wait till the protesters get thier own copies of Linds and other 4G warfare.... do you really want to push them to the next level ? you got to let these things burn themselves out,let off some pressure and give it time... once Trump brings back a bunch of manufacturing jobs and stops outsourcing, he will be hailed as the best president ever...

Anonymous Shut up rabbit January 22, 2017 2:07 PM  

Tom Kratman wrote:Note how little deterrent prison was to Sinn Fein and its supporters in Northern Ireland

Northern Ireland was a war zone with violence and deaths on both sides. People there would have grown up with dead friend and relatives and a real hatred for the other side with actual skin in the game, activists would be real hard men..

These anti-Trump, antifa (*spit*) are pampered faggots, cowards who have never experienced a mote of adversity in all of their middle-class lives, LARPing oppression because pater didn't buy them a car/poney/playstation some many years ago. Despicable "hit and run" cowards to a man/overweight woman; they are worthless useful idiots even to their "elite" masters; you give them too much credit.


Just one day in prison will have them pissing their pants and crying for their mummies. They will not stand up for a cause in the face of real life consequences and they will not be be remembered.

Anonymous Galactic Starfleets of Deplorable Spartacus January 22, 2017 2:08 PM  

The aftermath of the SJW women's march-
https://twitter.com/Truth_Bombers?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

[insert shiv here]

Anonymous Brick Hardslab January 22, 2017 2:09 PM  

These morons are not 'pushed'into radicalization. They do it because they can and there are few consequences. They already have shot cops, bombed buildings, and gotten away with it. Not just gotten away with it but thrived. No they're not pushed into it any more than the jihadists are.

Anonymous Osprey January 22, 2017 2:20 PM  

In the medium-term, an effective way to discourage rioting is to consistently remove mayors and police chiefs who enable/tolerate/encourage rioting. Even Seattle's mostly-leftist voters know to do this. The police chief during the 1999 WTO riots was forced to resign; the mayor during the WTO riots and 2001 Mardi Gras riot was fired by the voters. The police learned to be far more assertive during potential riot situations.

Sadly, a man was shot by an anti-Milo rioter in Seattle on Friday evening. Unlike the WTO and Mardi Gras riots, this riot was on the University of Washington campus. The UW Police Department does not report to Seattle's voters.

Anonymous Galactic Starfleets of Deplorable Spartacus January 22, 2017 2:20 PM  

The aftermath of the SJW women's march-

https://twitter.com/Truth_Bombers?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">https://twitter.com/Truth_Bombers?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Retry. The tweet at ~16hr current, I guess feminists are done with protecting the environment, Well done #WomensMarch for leaving a mess on our streets and blocking traffic.

Picture shows a sidewalk carpeted with discarded SJW signs. Great optics again!
Some highlights-

"I'm with HER"
"NOT UR BITCH"
"BUILD BRIDGES NOT WALLS"
"*scale-of-justice symbol* ALL"
"Unity"
"WOMEN use our POWERS for GOOD"

Blogger modsquad January 22, 2017 2:25 PM  

It doesn't matter if you lock them up or let them run wild, the outcome will be the same. Once Rome crushed Carthage for good, they were left without a primary enemy, so turned their own power upon themselves. Twenty years after Carthage fell, Rome's civil wars started. A hundred years later the Republic was gone.

Once the Soviet Union collapsed the clock started ticking for the U.S. There can be only one outcome, it's just a matter of when.

Blogger Thucydides January 22, 2017 2:25 PM  

Prison time AND the fines. The prison time eliminated the foot soldiers and brownshirts who do the actual damage, while attacking the money starts draining the support base for the entire Progressive ecosystem. This works even better if the real ringleaders like Soros et al refuse to front money for the "cause" and leave the brownshirts liable for the bill. Somewhat harder to find people for the "cause".

Interestingly enough, using intersectional conflict could also be a great 4GW tactic: send "some" of them to jail for 10 years, but others for 5 years and others just a fine because they belong to some victim group or another. Starting them fighting amongst themselves in the larger arena will sharply limit their ability to move against the Trump Administration.

Blogger horsewithnonick January 22, 2017 2:31 PM  

Might even get a few snowflakes to turn on their paymasters.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 22, 2017 2:43 PM  

The protesters themselves don't matter. The whole idea of 4G war is how you use the incident and the fate of these clowns to achieve your goals.

1) some few of them may be redeemable. So what?
2) by punishing these guys you make it harder for the violent Left to recruit more rioters. Letting them out with little or no punishment just makes it clear to the perhaps less courageous that there will be no punishment.
3) Any women in the group need to be slammed. Women create and organize this shit, and spin up the gammas to violence.
4) find the recruiters, find the organizers, find the money men. Put them in prison for life, take their stuff, destroy their families.

5) finally, and most importantly, use this to undercut support. Make it clear to the public that these guys are hired goons, NOT concerned citizens. The entire point is to discredit the Left. Any action that dilutes that is counter-productive.

Blogger beerme January 22, 2017 2:47 PM  

In this case, the God Emperor and his Grand Inquisitor benefit from very broadly written federal laws. 18 U.S. Code § 2101 allow them to go after the street level rioters and their enablers and the only defense is "A judgment of conviction or acquittal on the merits under the laws of any State shall be a bar to any prosecution hereunder for the same act or acts."

They can get these people, the only question is will.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 22, 2017 2:53 PM  

@169

Most of them, pissing themselves? Yes, seems likely. Some won't though. Some will get stronger for it. Some others - there are some stout lefties around, albeit (thank God) few of them - will rise to the fore.

As I said, I don't have answers. My instincts may well be wrong, but, even so, my instincts say give them enough rope to hang themselves; entice them into doing something to justify what would be, in other circumstances, an overreaction; get them in a position where they can be simply obliterated with few or none of our own core, and maybe not many of the other side, missing them a bit or thinking we've overreacted.

Although there's a lot to be said for terrorizing them into rioting only in blue states, too, of course.

Anonymous JustAnotherPairOfEyes January 22, 2017 2:57 PM  

@164 BRZ MK "people will vote left to stop the rioting, even if it is the left itself who does the rioting."

Not a chance. The left has never promised to stop rioting and never will. They do it to recruit kids who are looking for excitement. The general public sees rioting as a "law and order" problem and *always* vote right when rioting is a problem. If you have some examples from history where rioting helped the left please share. I suppose it could have happened in another country but certainly not the US.

@169 Shut up rabbit "Northern Ireland ..." Yep. In addition, it's worth recalling what the Brits did to stop the fight. They gave catholics equal rights and gave the people in prison jobs when they got out. Of course none of that will work with US leftists. They are not looking for something that can be negotiated like equality. They want to destroy the US because they know for a fact that the US is the most evil thing that has ever happened on planet earth.

Anonymous Sixth largest island January 22, 2017 3:00 PM  

I so wish I could sub you guys in for the virtue signalling faggots who make up the bulk if not all of my FB feed. God bless ye gorgeous upright crimethinkers.

Anonymous Father January 22, 2017 3:13 PM  

If a felon breaks a law, it is fair to deny them the right to vote while they are serving their sentence. But once they're released, it is unjust to deny them the right to vote given that they paid their debt to society. And if their debt has been paid, they should be reinstituted as signatories of the social contract.

Anonymous Ras al Ghul January 22, 2017 3:14 PM  

locking them up for the max isn't going to happen, because it can't based on the sentencing guidelines passed by congress. You can look he charts up online to get a feel for them, but they are based on the severity level of the charge crossed with the criminal history category (a person with no priors is a one) to get a range for sentencing that is presumed to be reasonable and appropriate and the prosecutors are going to recommend that range (because it will be less work for them and minimize the appeals and the appeal courts are not going to reverse any sentence that falls in the guideline range ever).

That said, unlike state charges they are going to actually do time in a federal facility, followed by supervision, they won't be able to buy guns or vote afterwards (at least not legally) and if caught with a firearm will be looking at 5 years of incarceration minimum.

What would be fun is if the feds went after all the organizers for inciting a riot (and you have to wonder how far up the chain you could potentially go . . . Soros I'm looking at you)

Anonymous JustAnotherPairOfEyes January 22, 2017 3:14 PM  

The lawyers who support this blatantly violent and illegal behavior are also leftists and have skeletons in their closets. I've little doubt that the ilk will be very successful at doxxing them.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl January 22, 2017 3:14 PM  

@168 spencer for hire

It's good to be cautious and aware, but we have to remember that these same people think that "Alt-Right" was started by Richard Spencer and Breitbart.com...

Facts and research are not really their strong suit, despite the occasional high IQ. I don't underestimate, by any means, but their strength lies in a different set of 4GW - stupidity, cleverness, and ruthlessness.

A lot of them will get tired or intimidated, I'm sure though. The hangers-on who think it will be consequence-free protest fun will be scared away. Then the antifa vandals will have little or no cover for their antics. Whether they stop or go underground depends on their psychopathy. They are hungry for power, so that force may not disappear.

Anonymous Soylent_Green January 22, 2017 3:17 PM  

@178, Frankly, I vote for Tom Kratman as Grand Inquisitor to lead the God-Emperor's Ordo Malleus!

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl January 22, 2017 3:19 PM  

@179

I think most of the Left will eat its own. The DNC is doubling down on the identity game, the media keeps Hitlerizing Trump and, well, everyone not in the Establishment/Cathedral. They'll hack up most of their own for purity's sake before they really get to us.

Sun Tzu might be getting taken off the shelf tonight :)

Blogger Jose January 22, 2017 3:32 PM  

Salt wrote:National constitutional concealed carry.

Yes, it could be a simple law, something like "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Perhaps to explain the reason for the law, it could have a preamble about the importance of armed militias for the security of the nation.

Nah.

(I currently self-identify as a Calabi-Yau space; my pronouns are fold/remap; correctly address me as Your Compactness.)

Anonymous BRZ MK January 22, 2017 3:57 PM  

@180 JustAnotherPairOfEyes

I don't know enough of American history to come up with with an example.
But to be clear, I was not in favor of voting on leftists to stop the rioting. To the contrary, I am against doing nothing for tactical reasons.

Blogger Timmy3 January 22, 2017 3:59 PM  

Madonna who threatened to blow up the White House belongs on the No Fly List. Many violent protesters actually are dangerous terrorists and belong banned from traveling.

Anonymous Godfey January 22, 2017 4:01 PM  

Take out the supply lines while you're at it. What's the main supply line you ask?

Answer: George Soros and his NGOs


The so called "Left" is nothing more than a rent-a-mob. They're bought and paid for. They don't even really exist. They're fake. They're simply the henchmen of billionaire globalist super-villains.

Blogger Nick S January 22, 2017 4:04 PM  

@182

Not being able to vote is not separate from their debt to society; it's a part of it. You could argue that it's cruel and unusual punishment, but wouldn't the SCOTUS need to rule on it, if they haven't already?

Anonymous Godfrey January 22, 2017 4:06 PM  

The "Eye of Soros" is upon us. Pluck it out!

Anonymous Father January 22, 2017 4:20 PM  

Not being able to vote is not separate from their debt to society; it's a part of it. You could argue that it's cruel and unusual punishment, but wouldn't the SCOTUS need to rule on it, if they haven't already?

Your definition of what is included in the bounds of "debt to society" breaks all historical continuity. In all times and all places and in all cultures (except for the most dysfunctional ones, like Nazi Germany), the debt to society is the judicial sentence. In fact, the judicial sentence is designed to be so that it reflects the proportionate debt that is to be paied by the guilty. This is what the Levitical code means when it sanctions "an eye for an eye." So it follows that once the sentence has been served, so has the debt.

The only way you can deny sufferage to felons is if you're also willing to deny them citizenship.

Blogger William Hudson January 22, 2017 4:24 PM  

@99 Eduardo
PRAVDA maybe? Just kidding here. I can hardly wait, no matter what name it's given.

President Trump, Lock 'em UP!

Vox, Keep pounding AWAY at 'em, Sir!!

Blogger William Hudson January 22, 2017 4:29 PM  

112. Bard
LOL cubed, good sir! Astute observation there.

Anonymous instasetting January 22, 2017 4:30 PM  

You'd have to be willing to do it again, because a child used to running wild, doesn't immediately come to obedience upon the first application of justice.

For those with faint hearts, consider the story told of the cute baby who was not disciplined, and the wild toddler who was not disciplined, and the violent teenager who was not disciplined, and the young man who was executed.

You could well be saving thousands of lives for each one imprisoned of these rioters.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 22, 2017 4:31 PM  

@194:

Actually, father, the traditional common law penalty for a felony is death. I am perfectly willing to restore their voting rights after they'v been crucified, shot, hanged, drowned, burned at the stake, buried alive, impaled, hanged, drawn and quartered, or whatever the law imposes for their felonious conduct.

(That said, most modern felonies are bullshit that should be misdemeanors.)

However, one way or the other, by knowing commission of a genuine (common law) felony they have done all that ought be required to announce renunciation of their citizenship, and should get none of the rights or privileges of citizenship thereafter.

Anonymous Father January 22, 2017 4:33 PM  

However, one way or the other, by knowing commission of a genuine (common law) felony they have done all that ought be required to announce renunciation of their citizenship, and should get none of the rights or privileges of citizenship thereafter.

At least you're logically consistent.

Blogger William Hudson January 22, 2017 4:41 PM  

@144. JWM in SD, I haven't seen the sucker getting punched on video yet, BUT..... Y'all kick me if you want to, I got one helluva LAUGH out of the news about Spencer "taking one for the team" IMHO, he's a mouthy little buttwipe, and he was dealt with quite karmically, if not downright comically.

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