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Wednesday, March 01, 2017

Guilt is the SJW engine

Two psychologists have determined that moral outrage is self-serving and is a means of attempting to assuage guilty feelings:
For each study, a new group of respondents (solicited through Amazon's Mechanical Turk program) were presented with a fabricated news article about either labor exploitation in developing countries or climate change. For studies using the climate-change article, half of participants read that the biggest driver of man-made climate change was American consumers, while the others read that Chinese consumers were most to blame. With the labor exploitation article, participants in one study were primed to think about small ways in which they might be contributing to child labor, labor trafficking, and poor working conditions in "sweatshops"; in another, they learned about poor conditions in factories making Apple products and the company's failure to stop this.
After exposure to their respective articles, study participants were given a series of short surveys and exercises to assess their levels of things like personal guilt, collective guilt, anger at third parties ("multinational corporations," "international oil companies") involved in the environmental destruction/labor exploitation, desire to see someone punished, and belief in personal moral standing, as well as baseline beliefs about the topics in question and positive or negative affect. Here's the gist of Rothschild and Keefer's findings:
  1. Triggering feelings of personal culpability for a problem increases moral outrage at a third-party target. For instance, respondents who read that Americans are the biggest consumer drivers of climate change "reported significantly higher levels of outrage at the environmental destruction" caused by "multinational oil corporations" than did the respondents who read that Chinese consumers were most to blame.
  1. The more guilt over one's own potential complicity, the more desire "to punish a third-party through increased moral outrage at that target." For instance, participants in study one read about sweatshop labor exploitation, rated their own identification with common consumer practices that allegedly contribute, then rated their level of anger at "international corporations" who perpetuate the exploitative system and desire to punish these entities. The results showed that increased guilt "predicted increased punitiveness toward a third-party harm-doer due to increased moral outrage at the target."
  1. Having the opportunity to express outrage at a third-party decreased guilt in people threatened through "ingroup immorality." Study participants who read that Americans were the biggest drivers of man-made climate change showed significantly higher guilt scores than those who read the blame-China article when they weren't given an opportunity to express anger at or assign blame to a third-party. However, having this opportunity to rage against hypothetical corporations led respondents who read the blame-America story to express significantly lower levels of guilt than the China group. Respondents who read that Chinese consumers were to blame had similar guilt levels regardless of whether they had the opportunity to express moral outrage.
  1. "The opportunity to express moral outrage at corporate harm-doers" inflated participants perception of personal morality. Asked to rate their own moral character after reading the article blaming Americans for climate change, respondents saw themselves as having "significantly lower personal moral character" than those who read the blame-China article—that is, when they weren't given an out in the form of third-party blame. Respondents in the America-shaming group wound up with similar levels of moral pride as the China control group when they were first asked to rate the level of blame deserved by various corporate actors and their personal level of anger at these groups. In both this and a similar study using the labor-exploitation article, "the opportunity to express moral outrage at corporate harm-doing (vs. not) led to significantly higher personal moral character ratings," the authors found.
  1. Guilt-induced moral outrage was lessened when people could assert their goodness through alternative means, "even in an unrelated context." Study five used the labor exploitation article, asked all participants questions to assess their level of "collective guilt" (i.e., "feelings of guilt for the harm caused by one's own group") about the situation, then gave them an article about horrific conditions at Apple product factories. After that, a control group was given a neutral exercise, while others were asked to briefly describe what made them a good and decent person; both exercises were followed by an assessment of empathy and moral outrage. The researchers found that for those with high collective-guilt levels, having the chance to assert their moral goodness first led to less moral outrage at corporations. But when the high-collective-guilt folks were given the neutral exercise and couldn't assert they were good people, they wound up with more moral outrage at third parties. Meanwhile, for those low in collective guilt, affirming their own moral goodness first led to marginally more moral outrage at corporations.
These findings held true even accounting for things such as respondents political ideology, general affect, and background feelings about the issues.
Instead of repenting or going to confession, SJWs act out about their moral outrage. Which, of course, explains their quasi-religious fanaticism. As well as all the white people waxing outraged about "white privilege" and genuflecting before "Black Lives Matter".

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Anonymous Looking Glass March 01, 2017 11:10 AM  

"The more guilt over one's own potential complicity, the more desire "to punish a third-party through increased moral outrage at that target."" They do always Project, don't they?

SJWs Always Lie: Now backed up by Science!

Anonymous Coach Feratu March 01, 2017 11:14 AM  

The most vociferous male feminists I know have all turned out to be heavily into BDSM and sadomasochism.

I always thought there was an element of guilt to calling out someone's "microaggressions" when they got off at the thought of beating women chained in their basements.

They. Always. Project.

Blogger VFM #7634 March 01, 2017 11:19 AM  

Well, it is how Our Lord got crucified, after all.

Anonymous Iacobus March 01, 2017 11:21 AM  

I'm an Adobe Community Professional (which is a fancy way of saying that I know my Adobe chops when it comes to apps like Photoshop). Over in the "back room," which is not accessible to the public, there was a recent thread posted that was titled, "How can we make MAX safe for all?" (MAX is Adobe's annual convention and is usually used to announce new software, features, etc.)

Soooo...being the masochist I am, I click to enter the thread and lo and behold, SJW City, baby! The OP asks what actions can be taken to prevent events like what the OP listed (like those 2 Indian engineers that were shot in Kansas). It felt eerily like that chapter in "SJWs Always Lie," where the innocent little SJW starts a little crusade before going full-bore Stalin on everyone. Of course, others had to get their shots in on the God-Emperor. Because, Literally Hitler or something.

Luckily (so far), official staff responses have not come up but I'm sure something is going on behind the scenes.

I don't know how long I'm going to be able to hold my cover. I'll be fucking damned if I'll back down, though.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 01, 2017 11:27 AM  

Which is chicken, which is egg?

Did Universalism (Blank Slate, unconscious racism, etc.) lead to whites feeling guilty about their out-performance, or did visible out-performance yield guilt that required an outlet (Universalism, and all the self-flagellation of the Civil Rights Era?)

My guess is that the Protestantism of the Levelers simply kept growing until it overcame even the widespread recognition of innate differences that dominated in the early 1900's, and the development of Hollywood put more pro-black, Magic Negro propaganda in the faces of Americans everywhere.

Whites were then trapped between the recognition that all institutions were DOMINATED by whites and most wealth/property was held by whites, while Movies and TV portrayed blacks (and browns, etc.) as equal, if not more-than-equal.

Product: Guilt.

Anonymous aegis-1080 March 01, 2017 11:28 AM  

You know, I've seen leftists unironically say "racism is America's original sin". So, basically, the point is to make those Trump voters repent before the Diversity totem, nothing will be done. The big split seems to be between the big money Dems, that say: "We should thank our Corporate overlords for the holy poz they grant to us" and the radical young base that says fuck that.

Kinda feel for the latter, having to bow to the likes of Zuckenberg or Soros for cash is repulsive.

Anonymous Barking Mad March 01, 2017 11:29 AM  

Once again, independent results support Vox's Three Laws of SJW.

Blogger Johnny March 01, 2017 11:30 AM  

A lot of these scientific types discover what is easy to discover by the device of merely observing people. Deflecting blame (Freud called it projection.) is modestly common.

An ongoing fraud in the SJW stuff is to blame "society" when the blame meister covertly absolves him or herself of blame. Our current culture is a recycling of the old guilt trip christianity (Catholic, often) that was more popular a few generations ago then at present.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 01, 2017 11:37 AM  

I add that overt flagellant movements are nothing new. Scourging oneself as a means of obtaining Salvation may not be approved Christian theology, but theology it remains.

It is as I've said before: It's fads, all the way down. Our modern Leftist has it better than his hair-shirt forebears: He gets to make THE OTHER GUY wear the shirt and bear the lash (via the costs of Affirmative Action, racial & sex set-asides and other painfully unequal treatment before the law.)

This is why there can be no end to the flagellation of others. It gives weak people the JOY of whipping others who they deem morally repugnant. It isn't about slavery, reparations or creating identical mean SAT scores. It never was.

Anonymous aegis-1080 March 01, 2017 11:38 AM  

I still remember reading that what today we know as SJW-ism is basically Puritanism without God or the Bible getting on the way of the self-righteous preening.

Blogger JDC March 01, 2017 11:40 AM  

“Yet even now,” declares the Lord, “return to me with all your heart, with fasting, with weeping, and with mourning;
and rend your hearts and not your garments.” Return to the Lord your God, for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love; and he relents over disaster. Who knows whether he will not turn and relent, and leave a blessing behind him, a grain offering and a drink offering for the Lord your God? (Joel 2: 12-14)

Their busy rending their garments and ignoring what God really wants, to shred their hearts in confession to Him.

Blogger LibertyPortraits March 01, 2017 11:46 AM  

This explains a lot. I think public school primed whites to feel guilty. I wonder what the results of this study would be if homeschoolers were used to see if I'm right. Oh wait forgot to see if the people in the study were all white or diverse.

A question for the ilk, why do you think you didn't turn out to be a SJW?

Blogger The Deuce March 01, 2017 11:50 AM  

To toot my own horn, this is essentially the same motivation for "social justice" I identified over a year ago in a piece I did for Ralph Retort (which Vox also linked): http://theralphretort.com/how-sjws-think-the-fundamentals-101015/

Blogger JWM in SD March 01, 2017 11:51 AM  

I think this also explains the Refugee = Immigrant meme that has become part of the SJW inventory of woes.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 01, 2017 11:51 AM  

As I see it, what my family and I have is a product of our ancestry. Brains, brawn and behavior are all coded by the DNA we inherited. If that results in us having more and doing more, we should revel in it, not feel guilty that others are less blessed. Someone born without sight does not make me feel guilt for seeing or make me agitate that we all wear blinders.

None of my success is due to pro-white "bias," it's pro-ability recognition. Again, to whom do I own any apology? Instead of complaining, those who cannot produce at our level should thank us for the wonders they have but could never, themselves, produce.

I surely appreciate the wonders I enjoy whose production I do not understand. I respect, not envy, their creators' abilities and the rewards such producers justly earn by applying them.

Will this view, this philosophy, replace the Universalist, make-others-whip-themselves guilt-laden moralizing of the Leftist Delusion?

I'd like to say yes, but the future is unknown.

Anonymous Iacobus March 01, 2017 11:54 AM  

LibertyPortraits wrote:This explains a lot. I think public school primed whites to feel guilty. I wonder what the results of this study would be if homeschoolers were used to see if I'm right. Oh wait forgot to see if the people in the study were all white or diverse.

A question for the ilk, why do you think you didn't turn out to be a SJW?


I actually used to be an SJW. I used to be a "Friend of the Rainbow Warrior" (was a pledge drive from Greenpeace). Many lulz are had when I think of that time...

What brought me to the Dark Side? I'm not exactly sure but I do know I got sick of the bullshit coming from the leftists.

Anonymous Looking Glass March 01, 2017 11:55 AM  

@5 The Eugenics/Phrenology movements failed. If we think of all current Trends as the ramifications of mistakes dating by 60-80 years, what we see is really just the results of one Socialist argument having beaten another.

Basically, the "we're superior!!!!" camp unleashed the Slaughter of the late 19th and early 20th Century. The Socialists saw that as wrong & a failure, but they couldn't realize that it was the removal of God that caused the problem. So they doubled down on the "we're all equal!" rhetoric. (If one ignores that what they meant was "we want you all to be rubes and we will rule over you!!!" because Socialist gotta Socialist, dontcha know?)

You see this with Gays and any other of the BBQ acronyms. It wasn't hillbilly yokels that were beating up gays in New York. One side won the virtue signaling argument in the Coastal Cities, then they simply projected that out onto the "middle" of the country. Suddenly, all of the anti-gay laws were the product of hillbilly racism (don't ask how that makes sense, but that's what they claim), rather than coastal elites trying to social engineer their way to Utopia.

It always starts with the rejection of God. From that, all of the evil flows, because if there is no God, then, obviously, you must be a god. And you can't be wrong, can you?

Blogger pyrrhus March 01, 2017 11:58 AM  

@15 I've never felt the slightest "white guilt" or any other kind of guilt that's racial or group based. I blame it on my fighting Scots-Irish ancestry....

Blogger pyrrhus March 01, 2017 12:00 PM  

Derbyshire commented long ago that blacks had been turned into totems of worship by liberals...This study is more proof, if that were needed.

Blogger Dave March 01, 2017 12:04 PM  

Interesting application of a vertical numbered list where each item is "1". Helpful for those special SJW's that might be triggered by bullet points.

Blogger Stilicho March 01, 2017 12:10 PM  

Tldr: SJW "outrage" is simply their method of scapegoating political enemies in order to avoid responsibility for SJW's bad acts and resultant guilty feelings. Bad feelz are alpha and omega of SJW psychology.

Now go trigger an SJW by making it feel guilty.

Blogger Beau March 01, 2017 12:11 PM  

Repentance is one of the crown jewels of the Christian faith. To the sufferer it grants immediate relief. Turning to the truth about oneself releases the soul from the deceit of our own self-serving personal narrative. Repentance realigns us with reality. Repentance clears the path to joy, abiding peace, and eternal life.

Blogger Sheila4g March 01, 2017 12:12 PM  

Using projection to reduce personal guilt presumes having that guilt in the first place. I feel terribly guilty about things I have personally done wrong. I've never understood how or why I should feel guilty about what others have done wrong or problems in other places and times.

Just as this study ties in well with Vox's 3 repeatedly proven SJW laws, it also demonstrates how churchianity deformed Christianity, by taking legitimate guilt for personal sins and transforming it into moral outrage for others' perceived wrongdoing, and transforming personal prayer and repentance into SJW virtue signalling.

Blogger Flyover Pilgrim March 01, 2017 12:12 PM  

@3 vfm7634
In a nutshell. (I never thought of the Jewish leaders as SJWs, but it is a perfect fit, isn't it.)

Anonymous Trump-Democrat March 01, 2017 12:14 PM  

As well as all the white people waxing outraged about "white privilege" and genuflecting before "Black Lives Matter".

as one goes through life one comes across poor black people , poor white people, rich white people, and rich black people. I am one that has a good memory and can maintain a running score in my head and have a thorough sense of the reality. These leftist groups ignore the cases that don't support their hypothesis, and exaggerate the cases that do support their hypothesis. They lack intellectual honesty and intelectual integrity. I believe they should try to improve their set of useful skills and work ethic and integrity and find a way to generate income doing something else more beneficial to the country

Blogger Resident Moron™ March 01, 2017 12:15 PM  

aegis-1080

Interesting name. Think about this; every other major nation and a lot of small ones, were slavers or involved in slavery. Every one of them (apart from Haiti, but fuck them) waited until slavery was simply uneconomic and then quietly stopped doing it.

Only in the US did you end it forcibly.

Now, whose is the greater sin, again?

((Haiti is the sole example of a successful slave rebellion. But calling Haiti successful in any other way is a long stretch.)

Just a thought.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 01, 2017 12:17 PM  

Very good @ #13.

The conservative intellectuals played into this game. If they would have only acted like an interrogator or a shrink we could have wrapped up this shit show years ago.

But NO the intellectuals had to play know it alls and eventually got cucked.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 01, 2017 12:23 PM  

Ask a SJW what they feel guilty about the next time they try and crybully you. You will have fun and you won't have to raise your voice.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 01, 2017 12:25 PM  

A question for the ilk, why do you think you didn't turn out to be a SJW?

Among other reasons, I never saw their pointing-and-shrieking, whip up a mob antics as any sort of justice. I think I always sensed what this study shows, that they were attacking random third-parties to distract from their own failings. I couldn't articulate it when I was a kid, but looking back, I knew it anyway.

I grew up where there were a lot of hippies. Maybe seeing all the trash left after an environmentalist rally when I was 12 helped.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 01, 2017 12:26 PM  

@17 Looking Glass The Eugenics/Phrenology movements failed.

Yes and no. I see Leftism as a Venn Diagram where in-grouping continuously subsumed a larger radius. Go back centuries and it was commoner-same-as-aristocrat. With Marx it was prole-same-as-bourgeoisie, followed quickly by women-same-as-men. By the early 20th century the premises of eugenics were simply untenable when that radius was extended to those shortchanged in the hereditary lottery, and by the 1960's that radius extended to all races, creeds and cultures. Only a few years ago it extended to people who prefer to have sex with those sharing the same genitals and within a couple years it was extended to people who believe palpable nonsense about their own sex.

The latest increase was in-grouping all humans on Planet Earth as "Americans." Next, clearly, was in-grouping pedophiles, pederasts, people who enjoy sex with animals and brother-sister "marriage." [Where they'd have gone to after that is fertile soil for SF/F minds with an infinite disgust threshold.]

So in this view, eugenics didn't "fail." It just went by the wayside FOR A WHILE, awaiting a time when OUT-grouping reaches for it as a sacrament of the New Narrative.

It remains my view that the expansion of the radius of in-grouping under Leftism was centuries in development, but we live in the time of its inevitable trend reversal, at least for a considerable period (probably a century, at least.)

Sentiments voiced on VP and the Trump Phenomenon are but two pieces of evidence that the trend change is well along. Trends like this do change, and when one is over it cannot be resurrected.

Like it or hate it, eugenics is a sub-narrative that will gain considerable support once "unlimited resources" give way to "scarce resources" and the Neo-Malthusians come out of hibernation.

HBD + resource restriction = eugenics. It is inevitable.

Anonymous WinstonWebb March 01, 2017 12:32 PM  

This explains volumes about the "Milo/Pedo" tempest.

Anonymous Gen. Kong March 01, 2017 12:33 PM  

JDC wrote:
“Yet even now,” declares the Lord, “return to me with all your heart, with fasting, with weeping, and with mourning;

and rend your hearts and not your garments.” Return to the Lord your God, for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love; and he relents over disaster. Who knows whether he will not turn and relent, and leave a blessing behind him, a grain offering and a drink offering for the Lord your God? (Joel 2: 12-14)

Their busy rending their garments and ignoring what God really wants, to shred their hearts in confession to Him.


The SJWs and cucks don't rend their own garments out of this guilt or whatever it is. They instead shred the garments of the nearest white male they see. Somehow, certain white mails (Bill Gates, Bill Clinton and Warren Buffet come to mind) are exempt from all this garment shredding. The (((master race))) who the average idiot SJW would identify as 'white' (even though they themselves have repeatedly stated they are not white for decades on end) are miraculously exempt from all the garment ruination. Needless to say, dindus and other sacred people of color are exempt, note the complete silence about the ongoing extermination of elephants and other species in dindu-run shitholes like Zimbabwe. Guilt seems to be the wrong term to employ as the root of such self-righteous insanity. The notion of repentance is as far from the SJW as heaven is from hell.

Blogger Gaiseric March 01, 2017 12:34 PM  

LibertyPortraits wrote:A question for the ilk, why do you think you didn't turn out to be a SJW?
Genetics. Political persuasion is a more heritable condition than even height, as it turns out—another find supported by scientific, empirical research. I've got the same, independent, strong-willed, pugnacious, stubborn attitude about life as my dad, who is very much the same as our ancestors going back several more generations—as far back as we can tell anything about their personalities, anyway.

I'm a textbook example of an INTJ with a +3 SD IQ and as it happens, one of my areas of intense interest is my native culture and history. I've always been proud of it and deeply angered by the flagellant approach of constantly deriding it.

I basically had no chance whatsoever at turning out SJW. The brainwashing and indoctrination failed even when I was very young, because I could see through it. At best, it engendered cognitive dissonance that I sat aside and ignored for years until the full weight of the red pill was opened up before my eyes. At worst, I immediately lost any shred of respect for the moron trying to indoctrinate me, because I could see through what they were doing.

Anonymous Grayman March 01, 2017 12:38 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:@5 The Eugenics/Phrenology movements failed. If we think of all current Trends as the ramifications of mistakes dating by 60-80 years, what we see is really just the results of one Socialist argument having beaten another……
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Did it fail? As a species and as individual nations & cultures we certainly understood the concepts of selective breeding for our livestock, working animals and crops. Eugenics, based on the writings from the early 1900’s was basically an attempt to utilize the same methods we used on livestock on human selective breeding (i.e. the german Lebensborn). From what I have read of the historical documents of the time my take away was in a manner the opposite of yours. I believe it was recognized that the “unwashed” masses were trivial to rule using known methods of the time and was becoming easier as technology progressed. It was also recognized that a “master race” would not be something trivially ruled by a self-important cadre of politicians and elites.
My take is that the successful selective breeding of humans was a threat to the social and political order. What we have now is still eugenics and is actively pursued by the UN, it is just the inverse of what was started in the early 1900’s (by the US military and partially funded by Rockefeller). Modern eugenics is design to breed the “brown man”, a perfect mix of all races indistinguishable from the rest in pursuit of one world government and a global mono-culture. Such a goal is far more distasteful and concerning then a nation working to improve itself through selective breeding. Also consider that welfare as it exists in the western nations is functionally a breeding program for the least successful / least intelligent members of society

Anonymous CC March 01, 2017 12:43 PM  

aegis-1080 wrote:You know, I've seen leftists unironically say "racism is America's original sin".

I'd like to tell people who regard noticing the reality of racial differences or racism as sinful, that this is really only a very recent determination of immorality. In Dante's inferno, the lowest circle of hell was reserved for traitors. Maybe they should consider this when talking about sin and fighting against racism.

Anonymous Mark Auld March 01, 2017 12:47 PM  

Add to that,Marxist central gov't relieves them of all societal responsibility.

Anonymous Grayman March 01, 2017 12:58 PM  

The whole Eugenics thing could get very interesting as with emerging technology you are talking about waiting multiple generations to see the successful reinforcement of a desirable trait, or the inverse.

Crisper could cause a very rapid change in social order, faster than many realize.

Consider (yes obvious to those here):
Modern behavior-genetic studies of twins in the United States, Australia, Scandinavia, and the United Kingdom show that genes account for most of the variance in children's reading ability by the end of the 1st year of formal reading instruction. Strong genetic influence continues across the grades, though the relevant genes vary for reading words and comprehending text, and some of the genetic influence comes through a gene–environment correlation. Strong genetic influences do not diminish the importance of the environment for reading development in the population and for helping struggling readers, but they question setting the same minimal performance criterion for all children.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10888438.2013.800521

And more interesting:
http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v22/n2/full/mp2016107a.html

Also note that while I cannot find the paper at the moment, studies have determined the primary genes for the major characteristics such as intelligence, aggressiveness, strength, size, etc… This means that we are functionally at the point where we can compress multiple generations of selective breeding into a single generation. The rumors are that the Chinese elite political families are already doing this.

Anonymous Grayman March 01, 2017 1:00 PM  

The whole Eugenics thing could get very interesting as with emerging technology you are NOT talking about waiting multiple generations to see the successful reinforcement of a desirable trait, or the inverse.

Anonymous Grayman March 01, 2017 1:06 PM  

Crispr,

Note this is from 2013. While there is still the possibility of unexpected errors or effects it is mature enough to be used in humans but is not currently allowed due to western regulations.

http://www.nature.com/news/crispr-technology-leaps-from-lab-to-industry-1.14299

to see where it currently is in the west google "crispr disease" and look at the news results. Designer humans are currently possible.

Anonymous BBGKB March 01, 2017 1:07 PM  

OT: UK cops do it again http://sgtreport.com/2017/03/uk-police-announce-there-are-so-many-pedophiles-they-will-stop-arresting-them/

Blogger dc.sunsets March 01, 2017 1:10 PM  

@37 Grayman, my understanding of the multiple allele aspects of intelligence and behavior suggests that tinkering with these things (successfully) is still a considerable way off, if not SF-appropriate. Even the 3D position of folded chromosomes probably plays a role in expression, so as I understand it, this is not just a case of swapping one stretch of code for another.

In my view, eugenics will not be so much a "lets improve the human stock by sterlizing those clods over there" so much as a more passive benign neglect replacing active assistance in mitigating Natures's natural culling cycles.

Imagine what happens when there's widespread recognition that paying stupid people to have more kids is hurting us and our descendants? Eugenics doesn't have to be active. Nature is up to the task if people stop interfering too much.

Of course, Job One for this must be segregation; it may be natural for overpopulated deer to waste and starve, but watching it from up close is something few people can do unless their own situation is so dire that an emaciated Whitetail is dinner, not an object of pity.

Anonymous Social Science March 01, 2017 1:11 PM  

I think the study does a good showing the importance of heuristic availability (we consider something important if it's easily recalled), but the real value is the full circuit of emotions.

The SJW is not the brains behind an issue - they're just programmed sheep bleating out their pain and guilt. To break them, you have to see the path between creating moral outrage and the endpoint that is "doing good through alternative means to assuage their guilt." It is a circuit they must complete.

If you ever wonder why disparate parts of the Left get along, it's because they don't have to agree. They power up on moral outage and then power down on "doing something" (we laugh at "raising awareness" as a goal because we don't understand it's purpose as an emotional endpoint).

Attempts to solve a pet topic or even define it so that it can be solved threatens the emotional stability of the SJW because it leaves them outraged (that's also why mansplaining brings out such venom - it attempts to explain away helplessness rather than showing empathy and letting the helpless get a special privilege).

Dealing with an SJW effectively isn't about addressing their pet topic. It's going after their collective weakness, which is their need for approval.

This is very near and dear to the heart of the collectivist. You can see it when they pile onto a dozen issues in the hopes that you agree with one of them. They start with seeking agreement about a "racist, sexist, homophobic bigot," and if you aren't sufficiently cowed, they tone it down to lesser statements. Remember they seek your agreement, because they base their self-worth on people agreeing with them. If you don't accept their premise, they beg you to agree with them on something else (You might like Trump, but you can agree he is not a role model for good young Christian boys/Climate Change might need discussion, but we can all agree polluting the air is bad/There are some bad Muslims, but the Klan proves that Christians can be just as bad).

They need your acceptance of something so that they check the box of "doing good by raising awareness" on another topic, even if unrelated.

Trump short-circuits these people by refusing to agree with them on anything. He makes a statement, and when given the chance to correct it or take it back, he refuses to do so, and instead changes the topic. He does not and will not compromise until they surrender completely. He refuses to allow them to "complete the circuit" of creating moral outrage and then "doing good" by raising awareness.

Once you fully grasp that the SJW/Collectivist/Cuck is not interested in discussion, but is instead playing out an immature emotional reaction, you have the tools to play with them as you will.

You can deny everything, no matter how trivial.
You can change the subject.
You can turn the discussion to their character.
You can question their motivation.

All work.

This isn't the difference between rhetoric and dialectic. That's for persuasion. This is removing the possibility of your approval at any time for any reason from someone who desperately needs it to manage their emotional state.

Try it. Don't lie, reason, explain, or deny. Refuse agreement and refuse your approval.

Anonymous Not Saying This Time March 01, 2017 1:14 PM  

The most vociferous male feminists I know have all turned out to be heavily into BDSM and sadomasochism.

Feh. I dabbled in BDSM for about ten years, and I'm more than ready to march the feminists into the salt mines, their twittering silenced forever.

None of the dominas I ever knew would remotely fit the feminist mold. I can't really recall one that gave a significant fraction of a damn about politics. When I see feminists blog about their "kinks" it's generally fuzzy handcuffs or reading 50 Shades Of Boredom.

Most people in the scenes I knew were more libertarian/anarchy minded types, in spite of the occasional Nazi LARPing.

Anonymous Looking Glass March 01, 2017 1:14 PM  

@34 There aren't tenured professors of Eugenics anymore, so I would count the "movement" as failed.

However, Utopians being Utopian, they simply moved to a different strain of thought. As dc.sunset pointed out, much of the current thinking isn't new, it just has simply won out for the current period. The desire for Control is the same, it's simply the means for that Control has shifted.

One problem with looking back at history is that there are normally several trends rolling at one time, but how they crest & fall shades how we look back at the concurrent trends. Especially as humans tend to favor an inevitability approach to things that happened previously. Or, more succinctly, if Archduke Ferdinand isn't assassinated, the trends would have looked very different.

Blogger Mocheirge March 01, 2017 1:22 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:@34 There aren't tenured professors of Eugenics anymore, so I would count the "movement" as failed.


There are, however, professors of "Gender Studies", so I wouldn't use professorship as a benchmark for success/failure.

Anonymous BluePony March 01, 2017 1:23 PM  

"If you ever wonder why disparate parts of the Left get along, it's because they don't have to agree."

That, I think, is the best place to try and drive wedges. Their alliances are very fragile as some recent infighting shows. I'm trying to come up with a way to do social media false flag operations. Something that will get these groups of loons to infight as much as possible and eventually destroy the whole coalition.

Blogger LateIntoTheFray March 01, 2017 1:25 PM  

Wow, this explains a few things. One example that came to mind is my SJW brother who was speculating in real estate in the mid 2000's. When the crash came and he had to declare bankruptcy, he went on a rage for a year +/- about the "big" fraudsters and how they should all be jailed. Never mind he works for Freddie Mac and admitted he committed fraud to get the multiple mortgages.....

Anonymous Grayman March 01, 2017 1:32 PM  

@41 DC

We certainly do not have the entire picture but depending on your ethics we have enough to actually make functional changes. There would probably be more than a few broken eggs…..

How about we do something shocking and use social incentives to encourage intact families. That alone would be a huge benefit.

Anonymous Grayman March 01, 2017 1:41 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:@37

Of course, Job One for this must be segregation; it may be natural for overpopulated deer to waste and starve, but watching it from up close is something few people can do unless their own situation is so dire that an emaciated Whitetail is dinner, not an object of pity.


Require birth control such as norplant or depro provera for anyone on government assistance/welfare. That alone would remove a significant portion of the ”underclass” in 2 or 3 generations)

Anonymous BBGKB March 01, 2017 1:53 PM  

Whites were then trapped between the recognition that all institutions were DOMINATED by whites and most wealth/property was held by whites, while Movies and TV portrayed blacks (and browns, etc.) as equal, if not more-than-equal.

Most people have to meet enough non Asian minorities in real life to understand FAKE NEWS

Blogger VFM #7634 March 01, 2017 1:58 PM  

@Not Saying This Time

I suspect it depends upon if a man feels guilty about his sadistic streak or not. If he does, then male feminist.

I also don't think dominatrices are necessarily feminists. But women who feel guilty about their masochistic streaks would be.

Blogger Eric Mueller March 01, 2017 2:19 PM  

I notice that. Liberals (SJWs) seem to think their morale outrage absolves them of personal guilt. Those who believe in the religion of Climate Terror seem to think being pissed off at everybody else is good enough. I always figured if AlGore and friends actually believe that crap, they should sell their mansions, move into studio apartments, quit flying, and attend all their circle-jerk conferences through Skype. But because they believe it, they're justified in having their own private planes to fly all over the world in.

Blogger Eric Mueller March 01, 2017 2:30 PM  

12.LibertyPortraits , I have no idea why I didn't turn out to be an SJW. My dad was Air Force, so I grew up around the military and Reagan was President during my formative years. I don't know if it was all upbringing, circumstances, K selection, or just the information I was exposed to along the way.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 01, 2017 2:31 PM  

@48 How about we do something shocking and use social incentives to encourage intact families. That alone would be a huge benefit.

While I agree, it strikes me as unlikely. Too many people too deeply embedded in today's ubiquitous and often celebrated follies (single parenthood, easy divorce, Eat-Pray-Cats...) to sustain political resolve. Misery truly loves company.

My wife and I discussed this over breakfast today. The herd is still swimming in cesspool "values," and thus people are predictably miserable. Happiness is unlikely for the majority of people if they eschew marital devotion and the partnership that results.

Never is it so obvious that Virtue really is its own reward.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 01, 2017 2:35 PM  

@49 "require norplant."

Yep. I'd add mandatory surgical sterilization of anyone convicted of a third violent felony, but even that's probably too draconian to discuss in these Fat Times.

I keep waiting for Uncle Sam's Mastercard to get declined one of these days. People's determination of "acceptable" public policy will change on a dime when that happens.

Authoritarianism: Black really is the New Black.

Blogger Basil Makedon March 01, 2017 2:38 PM  

Leftists getting their hands on CRISPR technology is frankly terrifying.

Blogger Andrew Taylor March 01, 2017 2:47 PM  

It truly mystifies me as a person who can't even grasp the concept of "collective guilt" or "collective pride" to see how powerful these feelings are as motivators.

Blogger Zachary Barrett March 01, 2017 2:49 PM  

Weaponized Emotion you say, return fire!

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1488354154490.jpg

Anonymous basementhomebrewer March 01, 2017 2:50 PM  

BBGKB wrote:OT: UK cops do it again

I wonder what could be causing this sudden increase?


Blogger dc.sunsets March 01, 2017 3:07 PM  

@57 It truly mystifies me as a person who can't even grasp the concept of "collective guilt" or "collective pride" to see how powerful these feelings are as motivators.

The seat of self in the brain is the limbic system. Its neurons fire faster and with higher amplitude than do those in the seat of reason, the neo-cortex.

The limbic system is also where our emotions are processed. It is also where our biases, premises and self-identification arises. The limbic system includes the amygdala.

This is also the part of the brain we share with herding animals.

My point? We do not know much about how we think, and what we do know is very sobering. We aren't half as self-directed as we believe. We are subject to strings in our minds that make us dance in ways we do not consciously choose.

We herd. We rationalize. We follow. Every single one of us does so, but some do it more than others.

That's a reality I have difficulty grasping.

Anonymous JAG March 01, 2017 3:14 PM  

LibertyPortraits wrote:
A question for the ilk, why do you think you didn't turn out to be a SJW?


Because I see four fingers that O'Brien is holding up.

2+2=4 is not something I can lie to myself about in order to facilitate an agenda.

Blogger Matt Robison March 01, 2017 3:27 PM  

This is the same old scapegoat sacrificial mechanic that has worked throughout all of history. Guilt must be assuaged somehow. The only answer is, of course, Christ. If not Christ, other targets will be found.

Rene Girard's books are exceptional in this regard. Mimetic desire, violence, and the sacred. Anyone read them?

Anonymous Discard March 01, 2017 3:54 PM  

If you want people to start using deodorant, you have to convince them that they stink first. That's hucksterism 101. They began pushing White guilt with this in mind from the beginning. The SJWs are just the rubes, dumb yokels who fall for the bunkum every time.

Anonymous Discard March 01, 2017 4:04 PM  

22. Beau: The authors of this evil know all about Christian repentance, and have tailored their poison around it. Christians and those who may not be believers but grew up in a Christian culture are the target.

Blogger Beau March 01, 2017 6:38 PM  

The authors of this evil know all about Christian repentance

I'm not sure they do. I think they believe they do, but in many conversations spanning decades their surprise at the actual nature of repentance is far too prevalent to indicate they really understand it. If they did, they'd do it.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 01, 2017 6:53 PM  

So someone named "Rothschild" conducted a study of how to manipulate the emotions of a population, using different variants of fake news articles, in order to determine how best to get them to support various political positions? Hmm...

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 01, 2017 7:03 PM  

@Social Science
"This is removing the possibility of your approval at any time for any reason from someone who desperately needs it to manage their emotional state."

How and why to trigger, in one easy lesson. Well done. An incidental note: one way in which you can see the importance of group approval to leftists is the frequency with which they attempt to employ some version of "no one likes you" as an "argument." Projection of their own emotional needs.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 01, 2017 7:15 PM  

@Grayman
"Designer humans are currently possible."

You've had some pretty thoughtful posts in the past few days, but you may be underestimating the level of complexity involved here. I tend to think that this issue is analogous to market economics vs. socialism-- it seems at first glance that "rational" top-down organization, and picking winners according to the algorithm, should beat millions of spontaneous low-level decisions that self-organize into a seemingly-random end result, but...

Sidestepping a mechanism that has evolved over millions of years, and that produces incredibly complex organisms through a process of functional self-assembly (such that it's nearly impossible to isolate the effects of an intervention) seems likely to produce a plethora of unintended consequences.

I tend to agree with dc.sunsets that the removal of perverse incentives, and possibly the manipulation of incentives, is a wiser approach.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 01, 2017 7:20 PM  

@Grayman
"Modern eugenics is design to breed the “brown man”, a perfect mix of all races indistinguishable from the rest in pursuit of one world government and a global mono-culture."

Coudenhove-Kalergi comes to mind, for some reason.

Blogger SirHamster March 01, 2017 7:52 PM  

LibertyPortraits wrote:A question for the ilk, why do you think you didn't turn out to be a SJW?

Grace of God. Real religion revealed my own sin and guilt and transformed me to love truth over personal gain.

When one knows what justice is, the perversion that is social justice triggers repulsion and hatred.


Which links back to the OP:
Instead of repenting or going to confession, SJWs act out about their moral outrage. Which, of course, explains their quasi-religious fanaticism.

Was just reading Leviticus and its rules for sin and guilt offerings for both individuals and the community. Without real religion to feed their spiritual need and take away guilt, the SJW creates a religion that destroys and consumes all else to flee the void within.

SJWs are spiritual zombies.

Anonymous BBGKB March 01, 2017 8:12 PM  

Moslems for $100 Alex

BBGKB wrote:OT: UK cops do it again..I wonder what could be causing this sudden increase?


Blogger Natalie March 01, 2017 9:40 PM  

When I first heard of social justice I thought it had some merit - reaching out to the least of these etc. Reality and a VERY intelligent husband increasingly drummed all sympathy out of me. First it was people talking about "food desserts in urban areas and then it turned into magical negro worship and immigration cuckery. There are various ills I'd like to see corrected, but these do gooders are burying legitimate issues under so many layers of PC moral outrage and censorship that it's not worth even trying to talk with them.

If different circumstances I think I could have become much more cuckish, but praise God for open eyes and a good husband.

Blogger Lazarus March 01, 2017 9:55 PM  

Natalie wrote:There are various ills I'd like to see corrected, but these do gooders are burying legitimate issues under so many layers of PC moral outrage and censorship that it's not worth even trying to talk with them.

for instance:

http://sultanknish.blogspot.ca/2017/02/are-we-refugeed-out-yet.html

Anonymous Mr. Rational March 01, 2017 9:58 PM  

LibertyPortraits wrote:A question for the ilk, why do you think you didn't turn out to be a SJW?
Because I never bought into the guilt trip, so I never had to project it onto others.  Neither did I buy into the lack of agency of the "oppressed", despite not having the specific language to express that until just recently.

Looking Glass wrote:It always starts with the rejection of God. From that, all of the evil flows, because if there is no God, then, obviously, you must be a god.
Talk about believing your own bullshit.  If there is no God, then there are NO gods.  Despite powers not unlike the pagan gods of history (we can LITERALLY destroy mountains in the blink of an eye!) we are obviously nothing of the sort.

And you can't be wrong, can you?
If there are no gods, there are no infallible sources of knowledge.  There's only more wrong, and Less Wrong.  The upside is, the Less Wrong we get the better off we are.

Anonymous Avalanche March 01, 2017 10:05 PM  

@59 "OT: UK cops do it again
I wonder what could be causing this sudden increase?"

A willingness to ACTUALLY arrest the pedos, instead of covering for them?!

Anonymous Discard March 01, 2017 10:15 PM  

65. Beau: I should probably have said that the authors of this evil knew of Christian repentance, rather than that they knew all about it. To them, it's simply a weapon to be used against us.

Blogger Durandel Almiras March 01, 2017 10:17 PM  

So the question to the atheists is once again, which would you prefer: SJWs and their communism or Christians and their civilization?

Anonymous BbigGayKoranBurner March 01, 2017 10:22 PM  

A question for the ilk, why do you think you didn't turn out to be a SJW?

I have always been better than average at catching people in lies.

Anonymous Mr. Rational March 01, 2017 10:49 PM  

Flyover Pilgrim wrote:(I never thought of the Jewish leaders as SJWs, but it is a perfect fit, isn't it.)
Sooner or later, someone is going to get the clever idea of quoting the Old Testament and what it says about slavery to aim all the SJWs at the Jews for being the REAL originators of what (((they))) claim is America's original sin.

Which reminds me, I need to go to GFS soon.  Nobody else stocks popcorn in the quantities required for such a magnificent fratricidal shit-show.
dc.sunsets wrote:watching it from up close is something few people can do unless their own situation is so dire that an emaciated Whitetail is dinner, not an object of pity.
What about those of us who are all too eager to eat even healthy whitetails?  Unless hunting is prohibited, that's simply not going to be a problem... and in a collapse situation like the Great Depression, it wouldn't matter if it was (the whitetail barely made it through).

Using injectable contraceptives to slash births in ghettos/barrios until educational and employment standards have been met (which most cannot do) is bloodless and smells like forcing responsibility, barely comparable to anything you can do to control the population of deer.

Grayman wrote:Require birth control such as norplant or depro provera for anyone on government assistance/welfare.
Pay the generational failures a stipend plus immediate bonus for sterilization.  Imagine a nulliparous Angel Adams.  We COULD have had that!

Eric Mueller wrote:Those who believe in the religion of Climate Terror seem to think being pissed off at everybody else is good enough.
What you don't understand is that most people aren't bright enough to understand difficult matters beyond the level of Revealed Truth.  This is how you get anti-nuclear climate activists.  Yes, they're idiots... but your level of understanding is no better than theirs.

I always figured if AlGore and friends actually believe that crap, they should sell their mansions, move into studio apartments, quit flying, and attend all their circle-jerk conferences through Skype.
Our elites have always had double standards.  The way human organizations work, they even have some justification for attending meetings in far-away places.  But the personal yachts and such do rather make that look hypocritical.

dc.sunsets wrote:mandatory surgical sterilization of anyone convicted of a third violent felony
ANY violent felony, including as a juvenile.  You can hold them until age 21 but parole them at 18 if they consent to sterilization.  Then you put them up for 3 strikes if they violate parole.

@58 For some reason my IP is blocked from 4chan (can't remember looking at it ever, so WTF?).

@66 Good observation.

Anonymous ScarletNumber March 02, 2017 2:34 AM  

You keep repeating the number 1

Blogger Happy LP9 March 02, 2017 3:23 AM  

Feelings are important, I care to varied degrees of feelings. But too much feelings, empathy and emotionalism will kill you, feminism, kills, the fork kills, SJW narratives kill, BLM/CIA?FBI funded is a terrorist org, its all heart attack central to bow down to a bunch of thugs and monsters, American isn't having that.

All these feelings and issues or demons must be PUT TO BED, EXILED from the heart and mind and spirit. Those matters must be footnotes and footstools to ones life, that is how this place and the pple here reached me and pulled me aside before it was too late.

Blogger Eric Mueller March 02, 2017 6:17 AM  

72. Natalie, I think the first time I heard of "Social Justice" was through Chuck Colson's ministry. And I had some trust in him. My immediate reaction was that justice has a specific connotation, and attaching the word social to it removed that aspect. It left something undefined and based purely on emotion, which also left it open to cultural Marxist subversion. It's pretty much done what my initial reaction predicted.

Blogger Eric Mueller March 02, 2017 6:33 AM  

79 Mr. Rational - my understanding is much more complex than a short blog comment. I keep my comments short and concise to avoid TL;DR syndrome. Nobody wants to read a 1000 page treatise within a blog comment to demonstrate complexity of understanding. I think most of us here understand that.

Blogger William Meisheid March 02, 2017 10:15 AM  

@ SirHamster Was just reading Leviticus and its rules for sin and guilt offerings for both individuals and the community. Without real religion to feed their spiritual need and take away guilt, the SJW creates a religion that destroys and consumes all else to flee the void within.

SJWs are spiritual zombies


Interesting observation about a Jew's inability to mitigate his sin and how that must weigh on them and produce the outrage that is so common in the societies they inhabit. That idea deserves some serious thought and investigation.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 02, 2017 5:09 PM  

LibertyPortraits wrote:A question for the ilk, why do you think you didn't turn out to be a SJW?
I've been contemplating this question. Certainly I should have, given my background and how almost all my siblings turned out.
3 things, I think
a book I studied as a 14-year-old, my uncle's college text book for philosophy 101, Logic;
The Science Of Correct Thinking,
reading Summa Theologica, well, the first 4 volumes, anyway,
Abortion.

Blogger Anthony March 03, 2017 3:14 PM  

tl;dr breeding of the article:

SJWs always project.

Blogger Paul Nielsen March 04, 2017 6:17 AM  

Amazing analysis! I'd like to add some insights, if I may :)

SJW's are Politically Correct lefties on steroids, but they are also a simple product. Currently, the following steps have taken place in our Western countries.

1. Indoctrinate the population with a feeling of guilt.

2. Create an in-group morality based on the idea of making up for this guilt by living up to certain universal morals, such as caring for the entire world, the idea of tolerance; and the idea that every culture is equal (cultural relativism); which will lead to the in-group supporting multiculturalism and mass migration.

3. The media and academic world must support the in-group morality, creating the illusion that the in-group is very large and therefore powerful.

4. The media and academia must also demonize, degrade and ridicule the own culture. The own culture and history is seen as "evil". Other cultures are seen as "exotic", "interesting", etc. This goes further than cultural relativism. This is cultural marxism. The own culture is "evil" and "nothing special", so the way to solve this is by multiculturalism.

5. Not agreeing with the universal morality of the in-group will leads to social exclusion from the in-group. Those outside of the group are immoral and must be demonized ("nazi", "hiter", "racist", "white supremacist", etc).

Once this climate has been established, the trick is to gradually flood the country with mass migration from outside of the Western world. It is the best to do so in a gradual, but constant and consistent manner, so that the new reality becomes "normal".

SJW's are a simple product of this situation. They grew up in schools and universities and simply got indoctrinated.

Greetings,
Paul
www.debatetheleft.com

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