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Tuesday, April 18, 2017

Inexplicable random mass shooting for no reason in Fresno

By man named Muhammed shouting "Allahu Akbar":
Three people were shot and killed after a man went on a shooting spree Tuesday in central Fresno, randomly shooting at four white men, killing three, before he was taken into custody, police Chief Jerry Dyer said.

The 39-year-old suspect, identified as Kori Ali Muhammad, is also suspected in the fatal shooting of a security guard outside a Motel 6 in central Fresno Thursday. He is facing four counts of murder and two counts of attempted murder, Dyer said. He said Muhammad had expressed dislike of whites in Facebook posts; all of the victims were white. Dyer called it a “random act of violence.”

Two of the people shot outside Catholic Charities may have been clients of the social service agency, not employees, Dyer said. The third victim was a passenger in a Pacific Gas & Electric truck. A fourth man was shot at but not injured.

Dyer said the gunman walked up to a PG&E truck in the 300 block of North Van Ness Avenue about 10:45 a.m. and shot the passenger repeatedly. The driver of the pickup then sped to Fresno police headquarters on M Street. The second shooting was only a few seconds later and was at Van Ness and Mildreda Street, where the gunman shot at but missed a resident. The gunman then turned onto Fulton Street and fired several rounds at another man, striking and killing him, Dyer said. After reloading at a bus stop, the gunman then shot and killed a man in the parking lot of Catholic Charities in the 100 block of North Fulton Street, he said.

Officers responding to the initial shotspotter reports found Muhammad running south on Fulton. Muhammad dove to the ground and yelled “Ali Akbar” before he was taken into custody, Dyer said. Although police found rounds of .357 caliber bullets and speed loaders for a revolver when Muhammad was taken into custody, no weapon was found, Dyer said.

Dyer said that it’s too soon to determine if the shootings involved terrorism.

However, a review of Muhammad’s social media shows he quoted the phrase “Allahu Akbar” in a tweet. The Arabic phrase translates to “God is the greatest.
I suppose we'll never know why a white-hating Muslim named Muhammad shot and killed three white people. It will probably always be a mystery no one will ever be able to solve. But regardless, the real tragedy is that white Americans might look sideways at the next Muslim they encounter. So hateful!

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108 Comments:

Anonymous Jonathan April 18, 2017 4:54 PM  

I'm guessing he was a Missouri Synod Lutheran. They can be feisty.

Anonymous Reenay April 18, 2017 4:54 PM  

What's a hate crime? Umm... never heard of it! This guy was just on meds!

Blogger IM2L844 April 18, 2017 4:57 PM  

I used to think it was only an odd coincidence that Muslims and SJWs, with all the things that separate them superficially, converged on so many other fundamental levels...until I realized both ideologies had the same deceiver for an author.

Blogger CymantheTrueMan April 18, 2017 4:58 PM  

In Texas we would have shot back.

Anonymous Tipsy April 18, 2017 4:58 PM  

Do you think Trump will use this to make an example of Left-wing judges who oppose effective vetting?

Blogger Bill April 18, 2017 5:02 PM  

FAKE NEWS! California has gun laws, there is no way he could have used a gun in a crime, it's racist and anti-science to claim otherwise!

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor April 18, 2017 5:05 PM  

I'm really afraid that incidents like this are eventually going to start making normal people think badly of muslims. If it saves just one muslim from discrimination and badthink, they have to go back.

Blogger DeploraBard April 18, 2017 5:07 PM  

Too soon to determine if it was terrorism, a hate crime, and if a musloid was involved. Don't any of you start jumping to conclusions.

Blogger praetorian April 18, 2017 5:07 PM  

> tfw you a gud boy gettin yosef togetha an goin college

Blogger Rabbi B April 18, 2017 5:07 PM  

You mean to say it wasn't a Christian shouting "Love your neighbor as yourself!" .... or a Jew shouting "Shema Israel!" ...? Inconceivable.

Anonymous Dyskord April 18, 2017 5:11 PM  

The real tragedy is the Islamophobia that this will generate.
Poor young muslim children will be too scared to go to school and young muslim women will cry inside their burqua's. Damn this White racism.
CNN will tell ya.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 18, 2017 5:12 PM  

Hey now. At least he stopped shooting eventually.

Religion of Ceasefire.

Blogger Rabbi B April 18, 2017 5:13 PM  

I'll be sure to give up my seat to the next Muslim I see as a show of good faith and an open mind.

Blogger Robert Divinity April 18, 2017 5:14 PM  

Our multicultural society and the nation's greatest strength, diversity, will not be diminished by white racism over this puzzling tragedy.

Blogger Feather Blade April 18, 2017 5:15 PM  

He said Muhammad had expressed dislike of whites in Facebook posts; all of the victims were white. Dyer called it a “random act of violence.”

Something in the way this is phrased tells me that even the reporter doesn't believe the Narrative anymore.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 18, 2017 5:18 PM  

According to r/The_Donald, some MSM Fake News outlets are reporting that he shouted "God is great." So they'd rather throw a black man under the bus by implying that he's a racist Christian than admit he's a Muslim. If there was any question about it, we now know Muslim is worth more Diversity Pokemon Points than black.

Anonymous kfg April 18, 2017 5:18 PM  

At the risk of piling on:

Thank goodness that this happened in a gun free zone and the poor, devoutly religious man of peace didn't come to harm.

Anonymous Mathias April 18, 2017 5:20 PM  

@4,

And after that, we would petition the local Judge to set up the body as a target dummy at the local shooting range afterwards. No cover for admission, State service.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor April 18, 2017 5:22 PM  

@4 That's not the Texas I know. We would have shot first.

Blogger Robert Divinity April 18, 2017 5:23 PM  

Next shoe to drop: he's a "Dreamer."

Anonymous Mathias April 18, 2017 5:24 PM  

@19,

Eh, the law makes that dangerous, and shooting first makes it difficult to tell who is the good guy. Remember, the whole quick draw thing is about going second and still beating the other guy to the punch.

Anonymous Azimus April 18, 2017 5:26 PM  

From the article:
...before he was taken into custody, police Chief Jerry Dyer said.


What part of active shooter training involves taking a guy into custody?

I wonder if he's going to get 3 life sentences? Probably not because he just killed people instead of psychologically abusing them.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/grandmother-geneva-robinson-oklahoma-dress-witch-terrorising-granddaughter-three-life-sentences-beat-a7688801.html

Blogger APL April 18, 2017 5:26 PM  

"I suppose we'll never know why a white-hating Muslim named Muhammad shot and killed three white people."

Another mystery, why is an Islamic jihadi in Fresno at all?

Blogger IM2L844 April 18, 2017 5:29 PM  

Inexplicable random mass shooting for no reason in Fresno by man named Muhammed shouting "Allahu Akbar":

I seen on reddit that "Allahu Akbar" is Arabic for LEEEEEROOOOY JEEEEEENKINS!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 18, 2017 5:29 PM  

He's a dindu loser fresh off the bottom of the black barrel so no refugee Pokémon points

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 18, 2017 5:30 PM  

Authorities say they are too terrorized to determine if the motive is terrorism.

Blogger frigger611 April 18, 2017 5:32 PM  

I am happy to know that the population is so diverse in Fresno. I was worried that it might be too white, black, Hispanic, Christian, Jewish, Taoist, Buddhist, Asian mulatto, and Native American.

Whew, we can check the Muslim box now too. Everybody accounted for! What a rich tapestry! This is the America I love.

Blogger Zundfolge April 18, 2017 5:36 PM  

I love how the cucks at our local ABC affiliate ( spun this in their online article about it:

"Fresno Police Chief Jerry Dyer says the suspect in a shooting that killed three people in downtown Fresno told police he hates white people and shouted "God is great" in Arabic before the killings."

"God is great in Arabic"

I guess I should just be happy they acknowledged that he was black :p

link: http://www.krdo.com/news/krdo-breaking-news/alert-suspect-in-california-triple-killing-says-he-hates-whites-open-app-for-the-story/454307884

Blogger Chris Mallory April 18, 2017 5:38 PM  

Azimus wrote:What part of active shooter training involves taking a guy into custody?

Read the article. When he was arrested he was no longer an active shooter. The cops found ammo and speed loaders on him, but no weapon. Since we don't live in some Asian or African hellhole, arresting the guy alive is how it should have been done.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab April 18, 2017 5:38 PM  

Yeah gramma witch is such a peach. I wonder what she could have possibly done to warrant such a harsh sentence?

Anonymous fop April 18, 2017 5:44 PM  

Whenever this happens I see a rise in head covered muslimas walking in pairs around town. I suspect they are the canaries.

Blogger Lovekraft April 18, 2017 5:45 PM  

Whereas we feel our resolve hardening by seeing the big picture, these media whores have to swallow these lies. Imagine the build-up of lying over years does.

Blogger Mocheirge April 18, 2017 5:51 PM  

But the news said he shouted "God is Great!" That sounds like a Judeo-Christian motive -- can we get Judeo-Christ to comment on this?

Blogger Dale Day April 18, 2017 5:54 PM  

the dumbest headline of all times:

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 18, 2017 6:02 PM  

DAMN METHODISTS

Anonymous VIP Ltd. April 18, 2017 6:02 PM  

He's just an ordinary Schvarz. Looks kinda like Lionel Ritchie.

Anonymous One Deplorable DT April 18, 2017 6:03 PM  

Maybe someone was racist towards him recently. Or perhaps he couldn't afford the hike in CA gasoline taxes?

Clearly we need more sensitivity training for whites and an increase in welfare.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky April 18, 2017 6:12 PM  

This numbskull can't even do jihad right. The jihadi's got to keep going until he is stopped by death. This guy is a dirty word to the juramentado. Stopped short of Paradise, a gutless wonder.

Blogger Wanderer April 18, 2017 6:20 PM  

Joke's on him, the Hadiths describe Mohammed as being very white in complexion, an owner of black slaves, and had referred to blacks as "raisin heads".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZxH4QYLRQY

Blogger Lovekraft April 18, 2017 6:28 PM  

Global warming's fault. Save the polar bears. Oh yeah, and the children!

Blogger Merlinus April 18, 2017 6:29 PM  

If you're white, why in Gods name would you want to live in Fresno. The fact that the victims were still alive to be shot by this dude in the first place is a small miracle.

Anonymous Grayman April 18, 2017 6:32 PM  

It was the bacon. There was too much bacon and nit enough pork sensitivity training

Blogger Elocutioner April 18, 2017 6:33 PM  

One Deplorable DT wrote:Maybe someone was racist towards him recently.

It's possible they simply didn't give up their subway seat.

Anonymous Jay Will April 18, 2017 6:37 PM  

This IS the plan. Things will really kick off when whitey responds as he is meant too. Get angry whitey and go straight into our trap.

Anonymous BBGKB April 18, 2017 6:41 PM  

I wonder if he's going to get 3 life sentences?

Next shoe to drop he is too stupid to face consequences. Leftists only believe IQ exists for criminals.

"God is great in Arabic"

You can find photos of things painted like that. "flammable materials in Arabic"

Anonymous Jay Will April 18, 2017 6:52 PM  

The last western nation that fought back against the mooks got its arse handed to it in that Yugo place.

Yanks in their special uniforms couldn't wait to kill the Muslim killing evil of butchers like whoever the fuck he waszic. They went in and killed the fuck out of whitey to save their Muslim friends.

Yanks will again put their uniforms on to kill whoever their superiors tell them too. The first nation that boots Muslims out will get fucked over by Yank power.

Yank power loves Islam! Yank power is pro Islam! Yank power HATES softer Islam it LOVES nasty killing Islam. Deltas do what they are told to do. Go kill the Islamophobes patriots!

Raise the flag Americans and kill all those who hate freedom, start with that scum Nazi Marie Le Pen. If she gets in then regime change the fuck out of her.

I look forward to a day when patriots and freedom lovers rid the world of nationalist scum.

Anonymous kfg April 18, 2017 6:52 PM  

http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2015/12/25/allahu-akbar-means-almost-everything-except-establishment-media-says/

Anonymous Grayman April 18, 2017 6:55 PM  

Oh look, poop.

Anonymous Grayman April 18, 2017 6:57 PM  

If only Fresno had been sensitive enough to provide bacon free zones!!!

Business opportuntiy.... Hollow points filled with pork blood!

Blogger SteelPalm April 18, 2017 7:05 PM  

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Blogger SteelPalm April 18, 2017 7:07 PM  

In this case, I would actually ascribe most of the reasoning for the shooting to him being a black supremacist more than a Muslim. Judging by his Facebook posts praising the Dallas cop-killer, his screeds against white people, and laments about the poor blacks killed by police, it was more racial than religious hatred.

http://heavy.com/news/2017/04/kori-ali-muhammad-fresno-shooting-isis-allahu-akbar-terror-attack-photos-facebook-suspect-california/

Although both coalesce together.

Anonymous Roginald April 18, 2017 7:09 PM  

Rumor has it that he was a member of the terrorist group known as "black lives matter".

Blogger pnq8787 April 18, 2017 7:09 PM  

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Anonymous Grayman April 18, 2017 7:09 PM  

Steelpalm

But race is just a social construct. It was the bacon.

Anonymous TTurner April 18, 2017 7:17 PM  

Nice "rhetoric" But the LA Times and even the (freakin') Daily Beast mention Islam and terrorism

Anonymous Jay Will April 18, 2017 7:19 PM  

@Grayman

Poop works well with passive aggressive people.

Anonymous DaveInjustice April 18, 2017 7:23 PM  


Pic Related

Anonymous Roginald April 18, 2017 7:26 PM  

The constant anti-White propaganda from the MSM, Democrats, and academia does eventually lead to atrocities like this.

Blogger Unknown April 18, 2017 7:31 PM  

Perhaps constant anti-non-white propaganda from the alt-media, Trumpocrats, and sub-intellectual Amerikaaners will stop it.

Anonymous b3k April 18, 2017 7:34 PM  

And another entry for St Breivik's List. When is Crypto.Fashion going to list these on a t-shirt?

Blogger ace April 18, 2017 7:38 PM  

Textbook case of the mondays.

Blogger Harry Spitz April 18, 2017 7:44 PM  

Didn't the guy surrender?
They could just ask him why he did it...

Anonymous Grayman April 18, 2017 7:50 PM  

St Breivik needs a catchy little tune, perhaps something along "Santa clause is coming to town"

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 18, 2017 7:57 PM  

He's making a list
in great consternation,
Crossing off those who don't hate his nation,
Anders Breivik's coming
to camp

Anonymous Claymore April 18, 2017 8:47 PM  

How could this happen in a community of such vibrant diversity?

Anonymous Godfrey April 18, 2017 9:04 PM  

Israel has a wall.

When are they going to open up there country to the joys of diversity?

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor April 18, 2017 9:31 PM  

"Mr. Muhammad, why did you do this???"
"Die, whitey."
"It just doesn't make any sense!"

Blogger Cecil Henry April 18, 2017 9:32 PM  

Yes, the real tragedy is this incident might cause people to reject the progressive party line.

Other than that ... nothing to see here folks.

Anonymous Gen. Kong April 18, 2017 9:43 PM  

The goodwhytes will never reject the party line. This kind of thing is documented all the time at Kersey's SBPDL. Dindus have been killing YT for decades - with the full aid and support of (((fake news))) and considerable help from their allies in the prosecutor's offices, the badge-gang, etc. Even victim families often get in on the virtue-signaling, with churchians being the absolute worst of all - solemnly intoning phylacteries of forgiveness for those who slaughter their own flesh and blood in the name of the Judeo-Christ.

As VD noted a couple of weeks back ... save us St. Breivik from these loathsome fifth columnists and their Talmudic Satanist cheerleaders. The announcement made by the Fesno badge-gang office was in complete keeping with with all the above.

Anonymous Sixty Nine April 18, 2017 9:45 PM  

Trumpu Akbar.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch April 18, 2017 9:59 PM  

Turn off the damned immigration spigot.

Anonymous Simplytimothy April 18, 2017 10:01 PM  

Moar seats on the train!

Blogger John Williams April 18, 2017 10:01 PM  

"Mr. Muhammad, why did you do this???"
"Die, whitey."
"It just doesn't make any sense!"

And the Muslim turned to his dying benefactor and said "When you first took me in, you knew I was a Muslim."

Blogger ghostfromplanetspook April 18, 2017 10:44 PM  

At least no one can call these victims racist! That would be the real tragedy!

Anonymous Hoss April 18, 2017 10:52 PM  

A frog and scorpion problem, and democrats are in denial that there is a scorpion.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 18, 2017 11:25 PM  

Interesting that they've got Shotspotter and it seemed to trigger a police response.

Blogger Nostradamus April 18, 2017 11:44 PM  

the problem isn't islam. it's right wing FILTH.

No matter the religion, if you're a right winger and religious, then you will have hatred. Just read anything an alt right freak says.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 19, 2017 12:13 AM  

You have to go back.

In a box.

Anonymous Clay April 19, 2017 1:05 AM  

Wow. You don't hear of a Jihadi using a .357 Mag that much.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 19, 2017 1:33 AM  

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Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 19, 2017 1:34 AM  

"It's YOUR fault I hate you! You HATER!!!"

Anonymous Lone Wanderer From Vault 101 April 19, 2017 2:29 AM  

Everything I needed to know about immigration, I learned from the Tenpenny Tower quest. Keep the ghouls out, or you will pay... big time.

Anonymous Clay April 19, 2017 2:38 AM  

Here's how to shoot a trophy:

https://www.laredohuntingresort.com/whitetails-gallery?lightbox=dataItem-itv7ny8y2

Blogger Jonathan Wales April 19, 2017 3:24 AM  

Explanations will be either:

1) Autism
2) Mental illness
3) Drugs
4) People were racist to him when he was 5

These are the current in fashion excuses trotted out. Whatever happens it couldn't possibly, possibly be due to Islam.

Blogger Superior hominid April 19, 2017 3:31 AM  

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Blogger Superior hominid April 19, 2017 3:35 AM  

Sigma snark much, Vox?

Following identity politics the shooters actions are a declaration of war.

Blogger Ron April 19, 2017 3:40 AM  

@Brick Hardslab

Nothing. Because you don't give out life sentences for something that isn't life threatening.

Blogger Ron April 19, 2017 3:45 AM  

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Blogger Franz Lyonheart April 19, 2017 4:41 AM  

Religion of Ceasefire.

+14

Blogger Elizabeth April 19, 2017 6:10 AM  

@51 - Steel Palm:

One of the reasons Islam is so dangerous is that it frequently attracts people who are disaffected from American society or hate whites, or both. The No. 1 source of converts to Islam is in jail. Islam gives them a reason to and justification for their hatred. Rob, rape and kill for Allah and his Prophet. Some leftists also converted to Islam - most notably, "Carlos the Jackal" in prison and Roger Garaudy, a now-deceased bigwig in the French Communist Party.

Blogger Jonathan Wales April 19, 2017 7:01 AM  

"Some leftists also converted to Islam"- The British Labour party.

Slightly OT I am going to Germany for three days. I get to see how diverse and vibrant it has become.

St. Breivik protect me.

Anonymous Azimus April 19, 2017 8:29 AM  

29. Chris Mallory April 18, 2017 5:38 PM
Read the article. When he was arrested he was no longer an active shooter. The cops found ammo and speed loaders on him, but no weapon. Since we don't live in some Asian or African hellhole, arresting the guy alive is how it should have been done.


Hmm... well I'm not sure where you live but places of the US are rapidly turning into a hellhole - Fresno is a prime example, Cleveland another, Detroit another, etc.

"Criminal formerly known as active shooter." That's cute. I did read the article. My question was more aimed at "Why is it acceptable to kill X people and then because you disarmed yourself before the cops arrived, you get treated the same as if you were caught jaywalking?" I've seen videos of cops gun down unarmed men - and so have you. I'm not sure why Eric Garner dies for selling cigarettes but this guy will get a taxpayer-paid prayer mat and specially prepared food for life - which in California will be a long time since this fellow is a double-minority and is not to be harmed.

I don't think your comment is wrong, but it is somewhat tunnel vision. Laws are exploited on the fringes and the guy in the Florida airport found a way to kill a bunch of random people for his demon god and keep breathing - unless the laws are changed the exploitation will continue to grow.

Blogger James Dixon April 19, 2017 8:34 AM  

> I suppose we'll never know why a white-hating Muslim named Muhammad shot and killed three white people. It will probably always be a mystery no one will ever be able to solve.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8NniKYiy2I

Blogger Student in Blue April 19, 2017 9:20 AM  

Shared this with a group of people I know, which caused a remarkably naive and sheltered girl to comment something about how you only seem to hear about the extremist muslims these days, and that the moderates are far more amenable to "adopting western practices and beliefs".

Could anyone help me out on rhetoric here? Dialectically I know they're all trojan horses, and I tried pointing out that moderate muslims never condemn the actions of their extremists, but as far as a rhetorical punch it felt underwhelming. Any suggestions on how to best rhetorically tackle the "moderate muslims" angle?

Blogger James Dixon April 19, 2017 10:01 AM  

> Could anyone help me out on rhetoric here?

"There are no moderate muslims."

Yes, it's an exaggeration, but the fact is that the extreme muslims are much to high a percentage of the total to allow the moderates that exist to control them.

See:

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

and

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx#assimilation

for the gory details.

And then note that this is the percentage of people who feel safe in saying this and there is a significant percentage of the remainder who will aid and provide cover for this group, though they won't take action themselves.

All of which leads one to the obvious rhetorical conclusion above.

Blogger Student in Blue April 19, 2017 10:38 AM  

Yes, it's an exaggeration, but the fact is that the extreme muslims are much to high a percentage of the total to allow the moderates that exist to control them.

Wouldn't the direction the exaggeration goes ("there are no moderate muslims") just allow the listener to immediately mentally interject, "but they exist! I've seen them!" and mentally label you a liar and reject everything else you say?

Conversely, saying "the entire basis of their religion is to kill us" is something that's slightly exaggerated but never in a direction that could make you out to be a liar, just excessive.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 19, 2017 11:23 AM  

Any suggestions on how to best rhetorically tackle the "moderate muslims" angle?

Point out how the "moderate muslims" constant complaints of "profiling" prevent us from stopping their radicals before they kill people. Remind her the San Berdo shooter, the Orlando Gayclub shooter, the Fort Dix shooter, the Boston bomber brothers, and this latest jihadi all gave us plenty of warnings but we were prevented from doing anything by the outrage of the "moderate muslim" community. That they are demanding the rest of us risk our lives for the sake of their own outsized pride.

If she's not ready to accept that there are no moderate muslims, she should at least fear the world the moderate muslims try to force us to live in.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor April 19, 2017 11:37 AM  

@93 Student In Blue

There's a great meme that shows a muslim beheading a guy with lots of people cheering and taking video. The one with the knife is labeled "radical muslim" and all the cheering onlookers are labeled "moderate muslim."

That has punch and it's accurate. I haven't found anything that works IRL as well as meme magic does online.

Anonymous Gen. Kong April 19, 2017 12:00 PM  

I expect that the killer is unlikely to be your typical imported rapefugee but instead a homegrown NAPA (North American Pavement Ape) who either converted to the Nation of Islam (the hate YT cult founded by an Pakistani con-man named W.D. Fard) or was born into it. Regular Musloids often use the name of their pedo-prophet as a first name but not as a surname. The Black Muslim cult has a long history of deadly violence directed at the white devil (Zebra kilings for example), and is the source of the 'We wuz kangz' doctrine taught in publik edumacayshun gulag.

Under the network of "laws" set up and administered by (((Talmudic Satanists))) and their friends (who basically control the mechanism of the state down to the local level now - especially in one-party states like California), a black muslim is perfectly eligible to be hired as a police officer, fireman, etc. as are members of La Raza. A member of Jared Taylor's American Renaissance would be rendered ineligible for such employment as a member of a "hate group" - since government entities use ADL/$PLC definitions of 'hate' and 'rayciss'.

Blogger James Dixon April 19, 2017 12:12 PM  

> Wouldn't the direction the exaggeration goes ("there are no moderate muslims") just allow the listener to immediately mentally interject, "but they exist! I've seen them!" and mentally label you a liar and reject everything else you say?

Possibly, but they're going to do that anyway if you make any good points.

Blogger Student in Blue April 19, 2017 12:28 PM  

@Noah B.
The one with the knife is labeled "radical muslim" and all the cheering onlookers are labeled "moderate muslim."

I remember that one. It's definitely a good one.

It also sets up a dilemma for the doubter, in that if the people watching aren't really moderates, then they could only be extremists and that means that extremists aren't actually all that rare. And that's a worse interpretation.

It's a classic rhetorical trap that causes great pain. The best rhetorical effect I've seen is when the only good alternative interpretation to what you've said is worse than your version. It just short-circuits their brains.

At which point, you can just keep beating them over the head with it.

In essence, that's my objection with James Dixon's suggestion, because the alternative interpretation is way too easy to jump to.

Blogger Student in Blue April 19, 2017 12:35 PM  

@Jack Amok
Point out how the "moderate muslims" constant complaints of "profiling" prevent us from stopping their radicals before they kill people.(...)

Those are fine overall strategies, but not tactics. Macro-level, not micro-level, and the micro-level, or how to actually implement it, is what I'm asking for.

That said, specifically mentioning profiling may be a bad direction to head off into, because then it will bog down into the old canard of "raciss" rather than "muslims factually want to kill us all".

Blogger James Dixon April 19, 2017 1:10 PM  

> In essence, that's my objection with James Dixon's suggestion...

I way too Aspie to be all that good at rhetoric. :( Feel free to modify anything I suggest as required.

Anonymous Iacobus April 19, 2017 1:48 PM  

Student in Blue wrote:Shared this with a group of people I know, which caused a remarkably naive and sheltered girl to comment something about how you only seem to hear about the extremist muslims these days, and that the moderates are far more amenable to "adopting western practices and beliefs".

Could anyone help me out on rhetoric here? Dialectically I know they're all trojan horses, and I tried pointing out that moderate muslims never condemn the actions of their extremists, but as far as a rhetorical punch it felt underwhelming. Any suggestions on how to best rhetorically tackle the "moderate muslims" angle?


Don't bother. If she can't understand that yet another group of innocents are murdered by an islamofascist cockroach, well...we can't help her. Only way she might understand if she herself was a victim. Maybe.

You do understand you're dealing with someone who can't (or won't) see the forest for the trees? Personally, I'm done with such people.

Blogger Student in Blue April 19, 2017 3:03 PM  

@James Dixon
I way too Aspie to be all that good at rhetoric. :( Feel free to modify anything I suggest as required.

I'm not as good at it as other people here are either. Notably, Vox's style of rhetoric is very audacious, where he'll say something completely factually true but yet it still makes you want to jump up and say "but, but, but!".

In retrospect, it's less of a trap of causing emotional pain via amygdala stimulation, and more of a trap of humiliation. If they're ever intellectually honest enough to actually try and research what's said, then they run into the amygdala hijacking.

I'll have to think longer on which is more effective. I'm tempted to say that it depends on the audience.

@Iacobus
You do understand you're dealing with someone who can't (or won't) see the forest for the trees?

That's why rhetoric exists, sir. Dialectic is for those who can be swayed by facts.

Also the person in question is ridiculously naive, not willfully naive.

Blogger Buybuydandavis April 19, 2017 5:20 PM  

Saw some of the guy's twitter feed.

"Yakub", "White Devils"

Tells for Nation of Islam

Blogger Seth Schueler April 19, 2017 6:09 PM  

Some damn good sarcasm in this post.

Blogger Flair1239 April 20, 2017 5:52 PM  

A coworker reminded me today (after the Paris shooting) that we are more likely to be killed in a car accident than by terrorism.

When I pointed out that a random car accident and religiously sanctioned systemic killings have nothing in common, he told me I was a bigot.

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