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Tuesday, April 18, 2017

Where is the God-Emperor?

James Kirkpatrick wonders where the so-called leadership of the mainstream Right is in the struggle against the violent Left:
Saturday, however, was different. Antifa has been quite open about their desire to “shut down” the rally [Why The Bay Area Must Shut Down the Alt-Right Rally on April 15th, IndyBay, April 5, 2017]. So nationalists came prepared for violence, knowing the police would not protect them. And that’s precisely what happened—it just didn’t end the way antifa thought it would.

In short, Leftists started it, Rightists finished it.

What is really happening here: the American Right is finally learning to fight back, both ideologically and physically. They are breaking the taboos of the past. And powered by the freewheeling internet culture that spawned the new nationalism, the Trump supporters who rolled out to defend conservative speakers were dressed in colorful, often humorous costumes, as opposed to the grim, blackclad antifa, the staid enforcers of the status quo....

What’s truly incredible: even now, the American Right is still fighting with one hand behind its back, receiving no support from its supposed political leaders, including Donald Trump.

Though President Trump has gone out of his way to praise his non-white supporters, he has not once specifically praised the European-Americans who were at the core of his winning coalition. Even worse, he has not once defended his supporters who are being attacked on the streets and fighting in his name.

Trump may be President of the United States, but it is still very dangerous to wear a MAGA hat or Trump shirt in some cities.
Now, I'm not a leader of anything except the ELoE, but someone asked me, in my capacity as a known Alt-Right figure, if I would feel bad, or guilty, if blood were to be shed as a consequence of the Alt-Right's refusal to submit to the threat of violence from Black Bloc, antifa, and the post-American Left.

The answer, quite simply, is no. Not even a little bit. The course is set. The consequences are inevitable. The socionomic verdict is clear and the time of positive social mood, economic expansion, and peace is over. What we're seeing now are merely the first little steps towards the large-scale uncivil war that will be a significant part of the inevitable decline and collapse of the United States. Men have a responsibility to defend their families, their people, their nation, and their civilization, and I am very glad to see that there are still Americans, and Russians, and English, and nationalists of every civilized nation, who are willing to stand up and do so before it is too late.

The USA cannot be saved as a single entity because the American nation no longer controls the US state and has not done so for decades. Most of the European nation-states can still be saved, although the fate of a few, such as Sweden, may be in doubt. But that is because they are, despite being adulterated, still actual nations, whereas the USA is multiethnic empire held together by force, societal inertia, and deceit.

And now the lies are failing even as the centripetal societal forces gather momentum. Roosh sees four options:
There are four outcomes that can proceed from the juncture of which we stand. The first is a globalist resurgence at the polls thanks to demographic changes that push the vote far to the left, starting in 2024. If this happens, we will have a president that is more authoritarian than Hillary Clinton. The boot will come down on all facets of American life, especially speech, and we will essentially be living in an open-air prison.

The second outcome is a hot war where we win. The country will be ravaged and millions will die, but at least most of the deaths will be leftists.

The third option is a hot war where we lose because of foreign involvement. Not only are we much more likely to die in this engagement, but the globalist boot will come down with such a viciousness that those on the right who survive may hope that they had died in the war.

And the fourth option is the long divorce, one that we will easily win if the recommendations I made above are taken. Very few people die and life can proceed with high stability and prosperity for the majority of the country.
My expectation is a fifth one. I think uncivil war and partition coming on the heels of economic collapse is the most likely outcome. Warlords, corporate armies, and 4GW forces will arise. Some polities will be ethnically cleansed, others will be mixed, either by choice or by defeat. Remember, homogeneous societies tend to arise from larger heterogeneous forebears.

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126 Comments:

Anonymous BBGKB April 18, 2017 11:06 AM  

Get planting those fruit/nut trees now. Since Atlanta showed us an interstate bridge can be burned down with a crack pipe the Hillary archipelago can be cut off from shipments of tribute

Blogger Lovekraft April 18, 2017 11:07 AM  

I don't think many here are under the illusion that Trump was going to magically make out problems disappear. We had a brief respite post-election, but there's still much to be done (making my presence known on reddit. Up to 7 subreddit bans already and created my own sub "CultureWarRefugees").

What is the intent to declare subtly that Trump has abandoned his base? For one, I argue that the battle is for the middle, and urban America. We have to think how Trump needs to position himself to this crucial voting bloc. If he lets the alt-right be the scapegoat (yet again) so he can lure in teh middle class women, that's fine. AS LONG AS doing so means our objectives are advanced.

Roosh has always been an anomaly to me. A smart, stand-up guy that I would like for a friend and he's done more work against sjws than most. But there is a subtle pro-Islam slant that emerges every now and then. His Iranian roots show and I cannot see how Islam is included anywhere in alt-right goals, except maybe to keep his homeland free of marxists.

Anonymous Grayman April 18, 2017 11:10 AM  

VD,

While I'm sure this is obvious to you. The following talk between Jordan Peterson and Molyneux was a "break through" of sorts for me, for several questions I have been chewing on for a while.

https://youtu.be/HcEJr8h_yGM

I find Peterson more enlightening in religious terms then any so called christian "holy man" I have ever spoken to regarding religion. Perhaps my religious circle is too small, perhaps the church is just that converged.

This is relevant because understanding ourselves will be an important tool for navigating what is coming. I suspect the homogeneous blocks that form in the coming civil war will be some of the prime power players. One of the trick questions is who manages to control the nukes.

Anonymous Bobby Farr April 18, 2017 11:12 AM  

It shows how deep the rot is when even an apparent nationalist is referring to whites as "European-Americans"

Blogger Sean Carnegie April 18, 2017 11:16 AM  

Kurt Schlichter sees three options:

1) Leftists win outright;
2) The right wins outright;
3) A common nation bound by the rule of law where winners and losers behave.

1 ain't an option so leftists better prepare for a bunch of matte black weapons if they think it is.

Blogger Euphoric Anger April 18, 2017 11:19 AM  

Vox,

How should we begin to prepare for the road ahead?

Also, how will we keep foreign involvement to a minimum in case of a civil war?

Anonymous Jack Amok April 18, 2017 11:26 AM  

Men have a responsibility to defend their families, their people, their nation, and their civilization, and I am very glad to see that there are still Americans, and Russians, and English, and nationalists of every civilized nation, who are willing to stand up and do so before it is too late.

I admit that I found it enjoyable years back to laugh at the French as cheese-eating surrender monkeys. But today I find it even more enjoyable to see them taking steps to stand up for their civilization. Wherever any Western people stand up against the darkness, it's encouraging for all of us.

As to how I see it ending for America, I don't see long-term partition. Perhaps in the short run, but it won't last. It's not a geographical divide this time, it's not Johnny Rebs vs the Yankees. It's Americans versus enclaves of invaders and their would-be traitorous overlords, and the invaders are not capable of maintaining a civilization. If they get their own territory, it won't last. California is the prototype, and it's literally falling apart even with the rest of the country still obligated to it.

Blogger Lovekraft April 18, 2017 11:27 AM  

@3:

Peterson is no friend of the alt-right because he doesn't identify with our principles. An intellectual that's been coddled by Canadian liberalism who is only useful in making warnings and declarations. He has warned the marxists that the alt-right is rising in several of his videos. He also identifies with nativeaboriginalIndianFirstNation culture (VD may wish to weigh in here) which reveals more of his 1960s/70s hippy mentality.

A brave man, but one who won't step up for us when it gets hot because he'll be able to say 'I told you so!'.

Anonymous Anonymous April 18, 2017 11:29 AM  

My problem with the Alt-Right is the open support of abortion,"homosexual marriage",and pagan idolatry.
At the San Francisco rally this past weekend,Brittney Pettibone spoke in front of a "Kek Flag".
Richard Spencer has linked to articles with the subtitle
"exposing the disgusting ideology known as Catholicism"
I'm a rad trad Roman Catholic (being polite and not going into specifics) and can't see being in Union with the Alt-Right.
On paper they don't offer anything differebt that what we currently inhabit.
-Andrew

Blogger dc.sunsets April 18, 2017 11:31 AM  

Sailer's Coalition of the Fringes is purely parasitic; parasites are not foxhole buddies.

It's all about whites. Will the WASPs become foxhole buddies with the Southern Baptists (et.al.)?

I think so. As VD puts it, socionomic reality dictates actions. What we read here is the template for how the last 50 years will be REFRAMED.

Between 9/11/2001 and now there was enough "We Are The World" inertia (and buoyant social mood extension) to let people IGNORE the death and destruction.

Under REFRAME, 150 million people will suddenly see that and everything since then the way my parents saw the Bataan Death March.

Wrap your mind around that.

Anonymous catullus April 18, 2017 11:31 AM  

Kirkpatrick: Even worse, he has not once defended his supporters who are being attacked on the streets and fighting in his name.

Question: would it be tactically beneficial for the G-E to do so at this time? I tend to think no.

Anonymous Rory April 18, 2017 11:35 AM  

I do wonder what a "saved" Britain looks like after all this.

We're out of the EU, we know that much. But do we firm up our borders? And what happens to the Union itself? Will we see the NHS privatised in my lifetime? Surely we must, with £1 trillion (and rising) in public debt - and when will we find ourselves accountable for that debt, too?

We're a funny country. We don't exactly have a small state to return to, given that we were once an empire. But the Britons of today share common political ancestors with the men who left for America.

Here's one thing I find heartening, whatever the case: when times got tough in the past we lost a lot of great Britons to the frontiers of our Empire. Men in my own family went that path, and America, Canada, Australia and South Africa have what prosperity they have thanks to men like this. Then we lost even more of these men in WW1 and WW2. But where will they go this time (god willing there isn't 3rd Great European war)? As other countries tighten their borders, the tough men of the next generation will have to stay here and sort things out.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 18, 2017 11:39 AM  

Given the worldwide nature of this social mood mania, I believe foreign lands will largely be too busy with their own problems to White Knight for their Fake American compatriots. This includes Mexico.

People who HAVE a home elsewhere will return to it. That's why they call it "home."

Wealth-seeking will shift from material to spiritual. Large-scale adherence will shift to small-scale adherence. One-size-fits-all will shift to local-local-local. Those who care more about starving Africans than your kids' safety will be BOOTED once their external validation addiction becomes utterly intolerable.

Get to know the people in your local political structures (city, county, parish, etc.) Get to know people who do "Community Supported Agriculture."

These will be the people who will matter in coming years, not some distant clown in an office hundreds or a thousand miles away, who answers to crony-capitalists, Tel Aviv and the gliterati.

Blogger Lovekraft April 18, 2017 11:41 AM  

@11 Rory: my observations of the Brits and Scottish here in Canada aren't very positive. Good people at heart and stern when needed, but I think they carry a chip on their shoulders from that war their granpappies fought. Also find them (Scottish especially) to be what I call 'self-appointed sheriffs' when noone asked for their opinions to begin with.

So, yes, Brits have major identity problems as demonstrated perfectly in a Khan running their largest and most important city.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 18, 2017 11:44 AM  

"Where was Trump" is a retarded question. Trump was doing his job, that's where. His job doesn't include policing the streets of Berkeley. At some point, Attorney General Jeff Sessions will ask some pointed questions about "equal protection under the law". Berkeley is just as dependent on the Federal trough as any other city.

Anonymous paleopaleo April 18, 2017 11:52 AM  

USA is multiethnic empire held together by force, societal inertia, and deceit.

AND Debt
without spending our grandchildren's inheritance on ingrates there'd already be blood in the streets.

Blogger Robert Divinity April 18, 2017 11:55 AM  

It's very difficult to tell how and where this will end. The United States obviously is unraveling at breakneck speed. The one certainty is an intact nation no longer will exist in the near future. North Korea represents the first actual hot war the United States has faced in 70 years and there is little doubt the conflict would exacerbate the country's internal divisions. Paeans to "American heroes" will be met with rolled eyes.

Trump simply bought us time and it appears that will be limited as he turns his attention to a possible real war. If Jeff Sessions' Department of Justice won't enforce the civil rights of white people the federal government officially has abdicated that responsibility and things will heat up rapidly. Initial flashpoints likely are to be in isolated Blue
cities that rebel (and lose) against their Red state governments.

Finally, this, especially:

I argue that the battle is for the middle, and urban America. We have to think how Trump needs to position himself to this crucial voting bloc. If he lets the alt-right be the scapegoat (yet again) so he can lure in teh middle class women, that's fine. AS LONG AS doing so means our objectives are advanced.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 18, 2017 11:59 AM  

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Anonymous MenschFan April 18, 2017 11:59 AM  

Louise Mensch makes a very compelling point that many of those "Alt-Right" provocateurs were undoubtedly led by Russian assets.

In other words, the violence we are seeing is clearly the fault of Russian influence, which also includes Trump (who no doubt will die in prison.) Mensch already has the evidence to bust Trump and Pence. The "Alt-Right" is no doubt also in her target sights.

The fact that "Vox Day" is supporting these agitators makes me wonder if he too is part of this Russian operation. Will "Vox Day" give us his true identity? Will he swear on the Holy Bible that he has never had contact with Russian intelligence? I doubt it.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 18, 2017 12:00 PM  

I will shed a tear but only after the battle is over:
1) Because of humanity's depravity that brings violence into this world.
2) Because of fallen comrades that will not see the fruit of their labor.
3) Because of the joy of returning to family.
4) Because of questioning why not me too.
5) Because of future remembrances of friends lost.
6) Because of future toils before Christ returns and set creation a-right.

Anonymous Starbuck April 18, 2017 12:00 PM  

My expectation is a fifth one. I think uncivil war and partition coming on the heels of economic collapse is the most likely outcome. Warlords, corporate armies, and 4GW forces will arise. Some polities will be ethnically cleansed, others will be mixed, either by choice or by defeat. Remember, homogeneous societies tend to arise from larger heterogeneous forebears. - VD

I for historical reasons agree with this path. Nation after nation that fell always seem to become balkanized. And must then regrow a new nation from with in. This is how the present nations came about. It seems like people demand that all the countries that exist right now is how it has always been. The present nations and their evolution were very bloody indeed.

Blogger Lovekraft April 18, 2017 12:07 PM  

@18: Is this satire? Not sure. And even if Russians had meddled, the alternative is a lot worse (Obama's smug grin while he pushes your face into the dirt ad infinitum).

If there is some hidden meaning, please elaborate.

Blogger Ingot9455 April 18, 2017 12:07 PM  

Speaking of Louise Mensch, how is she doing on her book related gambling debt?

Anonymous Grayman April 18, 2017 12:10 PM  

@6 Euphoric Anger

foriegn involvment

You don't. Thats like asking the Syrians how you keep the US out. Foreign nations have huge interests in any US civil war even without considering the liability of our Nuke/Chem/Bio arsenal.
The Russians could very well end up being the best friend of some groups such as an alt-right ethno-faction. China probably keeps a low profile while buying influence where needed and Europe would probably support the "federalist core".

Anonymous FP April 18, 2017 12:12 PM  

@7

"It's Americans versus enclaves of invaders and their would-be traitorous overlords, and the invaders are not capable of maintaining a civilization. If they get their own territory, it won't last. California is the prototype, and it's literally falling apart even with the rest of the country still obligated to it. "

Yup, that's how I see it as well. Of course we keep being told that the Taoist, Jew and Muslim will unite together and conquer the countryside, slaying the evil raciss. Even mono-cultural lily white commie Seattle or Portland would have a hard time securing their local resources, let alone anything 25-50 miles beyond the cities.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 18, 2017 12:12 PM  

@15 AND Debt
without spending our grandchildren's inheritance on ingrates there'd already be blood in the streets.


You cannot consume that which has not yet been produced. The Empire of Debt only shifts Present Time consumption (and changes into what industries capital flows.)

The effect of ending the Debt Bubble will be a collapse in perceived wealth. A pervasive, unconscious belief in unlimited resources (and the tolerance for being robbed) will be reframed into a fear of crushing shortage of wealth and inarticulate RAGE at being robbed (of jobs via Affirm-Action, of welfare cheats, etc., etc.)

"Immigrants" will be widely seen as sources of crime, dependency, system-gaming, wage-depression, job-competition, pollution, crowded classrooms, etc.

The very appearance of anyone who looks even VAGUELY different will elicit unexplained rage among almost all Americans. "We Are The World" will turn into "Get Out! Your Problems are YOURS alone!"

Near the bottom (2021 +/- a year, or possibly 2034 give or take a couple years, if the debt bubble's burst 2018-2021 is largely a financial affair) people of foreign appearance may be shot on sight if passing through a majority white area.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 18, 2017 12:13 PM  

The USA cannot be saved as a single entity because the American nation no longer controls the US state and has not done so for decades.

This is not a bad thing. "Hawaiian by birth, American by force", SoCal and the Polyglot Yankeast can go their own way. Alaska always has been its own two nations and is big enough to segregate them. Split Washington and Oregon. Minnedishu will either go the way of Stockholm or of St. Brevik, and we should all hope for the latter.

But these people won't MoveOn peaceably.

The war has begun. It just hasn't been declared yet. Soon, Punchface Dirtygirl will not be breathing long enough to cry.

Blogger paul cross April 18, 2017 12:15 PM  

I had a conversation with Nathan Damigo late last year. He didn't seem Russian to me.

I also enjoyed watching him punch smelly-hooker lady in the face.

Anonymous BBGKB April 18, 2017 12:17 PM  

when times got tough in the past we lost a lot of great Britons to the frontiers of our Empire. Men in my own family went that path, and America, Canada, Australia and South Africa have what prosperity they have thanks

Fleeing jewish corruption, even a place like Australia can go from Prison colony to place 3rd worlders cry about not being let into.

Anonymous Grayman April 18, 2017 12:17 PM  

@8 Lovekraft

I'm not trying to say Peterson is some alt-right standard. But I will take education where I can get it. True friends will be few and far between, but I have had success more than once with getting people thinking by directing them to him.

In regards to religion, my sample of the world may just suck. But I find it sad and informative that Peterson would probably be more effective at introducing young men to faith then the pastors / clergy that I know.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 18, 2017 12:18 PM  

Racial segregation will in all likelihood become life-and-death. If black-urban-ghettos like Chicago's Englewood still exist, no white will set foot in them, and today's BLM claims of victimization will turn VERY, very real.

Under the tolerance of high social mood, blacks and browns and Muslims are tolerated based on their "visible" majorities (NA_ALT.) When mood goes down hard, they will be judged by anecdotes.

Even a populace that's 2-3% feral will court extermination, and avoiding that will required self-policing out of existential need.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 18, 2017 12:19 PM  

Question: would it be tactically beneficial for the G-E to do so at this time? I tend to think no.

I'm not even sure how beneficial it would be to the supporters doing the fighting, if we're just talking about tweets of support or something. There would be an emotional boost, obviously. But it would also make it easier for the left to portray the rightists as the aggressors in these things: "Look, even the president is on their side." Right now, the mushy moderates are just starting to catch on that it's the left's "protestors" that are causing violence, but there's so much cultural inertia behind the idea that right=warlike and left=peacenik, that's hard to overcome. It might be just as well for the right-wingers to continue to be the underdogs.

If we're talking about actual action, like the DoJ hitting the leftists with domestic terrorism charges or something, that would be another story. Are those 200-some criminals they arrested on inauguration day still slated for trial?

Blogger bosscauser April 18, 2017 12:23 PM  

If thou wants peace preparists thou for war!
Let's not forget: a nation divided against itself can not stand!

Gab.ai/GaryCauser

Anonymous Grayman April 18, 2017 12:24 PM  

@dc 25

You cannot consume that which has not yet been produced. The Empire of Debt only shifts Present Time consumption (and changes into what industries capital flows.)

Indentured servitude of the unborn..... ANd yet no one seems to balk at this?.?.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 18, 2017 12:24 PM  

Even mono-cultural lily white commie Seattle or Portland would have a hard time securing their local resources, let alone anything 25-50 miles beyond the cities

I'm banking Seattle won't be able secure 15 miles away, though some of that is water...

Blogger VFM #7634 April 18, 2017 12:25 PM  

Kurt Schlichter sees three options:

1) Leftists win outright;
2) The right wins outright;
3) A common nation bound by the rule of law where winners and losers behave.

1 ain't an option so leftists better prepare for a bunch of matte black weapons if they think it is.


@5 Sean Carnegie
And 3 isn't an option either because leftists have demonstrated over and over again that they're incapable of "behaving". In the Left's view, rules (and truces/treaties) are made to be broken. Leftists always play to win and crush the right. Always have, always will.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey April 18, 2017 12:27 PM  

@Lovekraft

"But there is a subtle pro-Islam slant that emerges every now and then"

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that he's been sporting a full beard/ trimmed mustache combo for the past few years.

Anonymous DirkH April 18, 2017 12:29 PM  

@29
"But I find it sad and informative that Peterson would probably be more effective at introducing young men to faith then the pastors / clergy that I know."

The fun thing is that anyone can have an epiphany. Peterson talked about his in one of his videos. Now get this. In a video a few days ago rabid atheist thunderf00t talks incoherently for 10 minutes about how watching the sun with his telescope felt to him like staring into the eye of God.
At a certain point they all snap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Lo1RiqhD0&t=179s
Molyneux as well a while ago.

Anonymous Grayman April 18, 2017 12:30 PM  

DC

Near the bottom (2021 +/- a year, or possibly 2034 give or take a couple years, if the debt bubble's burst 2018-2021 is largely a financial affair) people of foreign appearance may be shot on sight if passing through a majority white area.

I know history doesn't care about me, but the sooner it blows the better, because the more I can hopefully do for my children to clean it up.
That sentiment is quietly becoming common in the fathers in my area. Stoicism seems to be making a rapid come back for those who actually accept the responsibility of their family.

Blogger JohnG April 18, 2017 12:36 PM  

I don't see foreign intervention as a possibility here, NATO has 12 battalions. Where there would be a foreign influence is by countries gleefully pushing ATGMs, SAMs and AKs in here (like we do to everybody else) to support an American insurgency.

Anonymous Red Cabbage April 18, 2017 12:36 PM  

It's not time for Trump to step in yet.

Let the Alt-Right have a few more wins and gather some momentum before the big spotlight shines on it. Sideliners are just starting to be charmed and intrigued by their success.

Blogger Old Ez April 18, 2017 12:40 PM  

"The USA cannot be saved as a single entity"

Sure it can. It is just a matter of physically concentrating and eliminating the foreign elements from *all* the territory of the US. Breaking up the USA into competing nations is a one-way ticket to the end of "western" (read: white) rule in North America. Retreating to enclaves did not work for the Afrikaaners and Boers and it will not work for whites in America.

Blogger wreckage April 18, 2017 12:41 PM  

"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." Thomas Paine

But yeah, I think that Trump ignoring this is the best by far. It keeps attention divided and the enemy confused. If he comes in For, the Left will focus. If he comes in Against, the Right will be weakened. He should do what the Left has done: politely ignore his own extremists for as long as they do not cause him to lose face.

Blogger Dire Badger April 18, 2017 12:42 PM  

The reason that Trump is not declaring his support is very much the same reason he only campaigned in certain states...

He knows very well that his support base is solid. He is focusing his efforts on the undecided, the wafflers, and those who can still join the team. He is building, not reinforcing.

It may make certain alt-right interests upset, but he is playing the support game the way the rules are set up... changing the rules will take more power that could be better spent elsewhere.

Blogger praetorian April 18, 2017 12:46 PM  

The following talk between Jordan Peterson and Molyneux was a "break through" of sorts for me, for several questions I have been chewing on for a while.

Jordan Peterson, like Molly and E. Michael Jones, is a national treasure.

Youtube started as a place for people to post cat videos and degeneracy, and ended up becoming The University. The Cunning of Reason strikes again.

Blogger Lovekraft April 18, 2017 12:48 PM  

@37 DirkH:

Youtube shifted a few months back in the attempt to become more mass-friendly, thus the purging. Thunderf00t will always have my respect for taking down The Sarkeesian. His efforts took a lot of balls, considering they tried to doxx him, get him fired etc. Right now he's a scientist. Let him be that.

Molyneux, like Sargon, are walking a thin line. Sargon is half-black liberal but doesn't pull his punches when it comes to SJWs and I think economic need keeps him muzzled somewhat.

Molyneux I consider one of those intellects we see every so often. One pushing arch-principles while going for the jugular when it's called for. He has to pay his bills so let's cut him some slack.

Blogger szopen April 18, 2017 12:50 PM  

As I commented also at the unz.com: it seems like a recipe for a revolution. Revolutions do not come when the oppression is the largest, during the darkest hours, when all hope is lost; no, on the contrary, revolutions often come when people see hope for a change, and then the pace of change is too slow, or - even worse - the change is denied. IF Trump will not fulfill his promises in America and will dissapoint his followers, THEN the revolution may happen.

Interesting times ahead.

Anonymous johnc April 18, 2017 12:56 PM  

@31 If we're talking about actual action, like the DoJ hitting the leftists with domestic terrorism charges or something, that would be another story. Are those 200-some criminals they arrested on inauguration day still slated for trial?

The last I heard, they're still trying to figure out how to gather the evidence needed to prosecute them. One has already taken a plea deal to avoid any significant consequences. It seems the individual cases will be hard to prove. Already non-profit organizations are talking about suing DC police for civil rights violations, and there is a group demanding a thorough investigation into the police tactics.

In 2002, DC police lost a $13.25 million lawsuit after they detained hundreds of protesters.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 18, 2017 12:57 PM  

Grayman, Indentured servitude of the unborn..... ANd yet no one seems to balk at this?.?.

My monomania informs me of two things relevant to your comment:
1. Unconscious, maniacally high social mood renders even existential threats and utterly insane policies invisible. [At its low, even benign things will be seen as threats.]
2. Debts are agreements, and agreements made in excess of enforcement are eventually nullified. The end of this 35 year trend in filling an Ocean of "future cashflows" will be simply repudiating them (and the evaporation of the Net Present Value of all that "wealth.")

Our kids'/grandkids' difficulties will NOT arise out of being forced to make good on all those IOU's. Their hardships will come from 1) the egregious misallocation and WASTE of capital investment these past several decades and 2) the rot that was embedded by "We Are The World" tolerance of the intolerable.

Our kids won't be yoked to the debt. They'll be surrounded by hordes of useless, dole-addicted, enraged barbarians, from Trayvon in the 'hood to Little Mogadishu, Little Guadalajara and MS-13's local affiliate.

We're surrounded by Pitbulls & pet tigers spoiled by their IDIOT owners, that turn into rage-monster terrorists if their demands aren't met with generosity, bows and scrapes.

The ENTIRE Panoply of handouts (Affirmative Action, set-asides, desegregation, LINK, etc.) is going to suddenly be unaffordable, right when tens of millions are most addicted to it. Uncle Sam will have his Mastercard cut up, and tax receipts will be in FREEFALL.

Demands for moar gibsmedats will be met with RAGE. I imagine that the real danger during riots will be from overpenetration as business-owners and home owners just MOW DOWN anyone who looks even vaguely like a rioter (e.g., dark-skinned, masked, etc.)

WE will be our kids' burden, especially those of us who can't avoid the financial cataclysm or who are trained only to work in industries that will DIE without Uncle Sammy's sailor-in-a-whorehouse spending.

Blogger Quilp April 18, 2017 1:00 PM  

Excellent post, thanks. I have to agree with the partition scenario. Whether its forced or voluntary, I believe its coming. After an economic collapse, how long would any common currency hold value for "corporate armies" to pay their troops? I also wonder how isolated (often rural) institutions such as universities within the new geographic zones will "fit in".

Decided to listen to Rush today, and he mention and NRO piece by French: "The Battle of Berkeley", in which he is basically begging the left to stop being such big meanies, can't they see where all this is leading"? Anyway, it's thanks to blogs like yours that so many of us are now able to spot the cuck nature of writers like French and the drivel they put out. Here's hoping millions more get red pilled, and soon.

Anonymous johnc April 18, 2017 1:06 PM  

I recently read that either one of two things will happen: the Left will kill the West or the West will kill the Left. There are really no other options and no in-betweens.

We would readily say that Islam is not compatible with the West, which is true. But Leftist ideology is no less incompatible with the West than Islam is.

Also, the West will have to come to terms with and address head-on the JQ. It is the primary destructive force of the Western nations, and cannot be divorced from the Left.

Blogger lowercaseb April 18, 2017 1:07 PM  

Unlike the left, I don't expect the president to step in because my neighbors want to punch me for my political views. Ultimately that is a problem that is up to me to solve.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 18, 2017 1:07 PM  

@38 Stoicism seems to be making a rapid come back for those who actually accept the responsibility of their family.

The quest for spiritual wealth is rising in prominence, as the glitter of material wealth and living in the reflections of others' eyes recedes.

Honor is making a comeback.

Trends are reversing. They are not yet REVERSED. I look for a dramatic resurgence in valuing monogamy, marital devotion, nurturing ones OWN kids rather than farming it out so wifey can drive a Lexus, and a sexual counter-revolution that properly recognizes the soul-killing hedonism of casual sex and pornography.

Isn't it FUN to be at the forefront of a MAJOR trend as it coalesces?

Anonymous Grayman April 18, 2017 1:07 PM  

DC

Our kids'/grandkids' difficulties will NOT arise out of being forced to make good on all those IOU's. Their hardships will come from 1) the egregious misallocation and WASTE of capital investment these past several decades and 2) the rot that was embedded by "We Are The World" tolerance of the intolerable.

Our kids won't be yoked to the debt. They'll be surrounded by hordes of useless, dole-addicted, enraged barbarians, from Trayvon in the 'hood to Little Mogadishu, Little Guadalajara and MS-13's local affiliate.

We're surrounded by Pitbulls & pet tigers spoiled by their IDIOT owners, that turn into rage-monster terrorists if their demands aren't met with generosity, bows and scrapes.


And hence the sooner the better. It is my hope I can clear as much of that brush as possible before departing this mortal coil. Clearing the field isn't the worst way to go if you have a good reason for being there.

My local situation will probably get interesting. I'm on the edge of the "country" and essentially the borderland between a suburban dump of dindu and gibsmedats. Most locals are fairly quiet about firearms, but if you talk to the local police chief ( who is clearly awake) its almost shocking how heavily armed the "border" towns are. these are the towns the high income "conservatives" essentially fled to over the last decade.

Anonymous Azimus April 18, 2017 1:09 PM  

VD:
My expectation is a fifth one. I think uncivil war and partition coming on the heels of economic collapse is the most likely outcome. Warlords, corporate armies, and 4GW forces will arise. Some polities will be ethnically cleansed, others will be mixed, either by choice or by defeat. Remember, homogeneous societies tend to arise from larger heterogeneous forebears.


The key ingredient here is global collapse - and a collapse based on the implosion of the current monetary system. As long as the globalists can monopolize control of the money supply, a partition that ends in peace is completely illusory, or might be real but just temporary as the required number of Bangladeshis, Venezuelans and Chechens are armed and trained.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 18, 2017 1:15 PM  

@7

I agree Lovecraft, there is something I find internally repugnant about ceding land our forefathers earned through exploration and conquest. Of course my internal feelings on the matter have no bearing on how this actually plays out but when I look at the ethnic dot map of the US the southwest doesn't look nearly as much Latino as I would expect.

https://demographics.virginia.edu/DotMap/

West Texas and New Mexico are about the only areas that are overwhelmingly Hispanic with California being a multicolored mess. But there are large pockets of Caucasian ins Arizona, and I also wonder how many self identified Latinos suddenly become Caucasian if ethnic strife breaks. But more pertinently in my opinion, the South West is relatively sparsely populated and the east coast still tremendous population. Whose to say that rather than partition it simply isn't expulsion of the violent elements and government sponsored resettlement of north easterners into the American south west?

Anonymous genericviews April 18, 2017 1:19 PM  

What’s truly incredible: even now, the American Right is still fighting with one hand behind its back, receiving no support from its supposed political leaders, including Donald Trump.

The American right doesn't expect Trumps help. It is enough if Government stops trying to crush us under it's boot heel.

Blogger Redd Castle April 18, 2017 1:20 PM  

I see Trump as a cog in the so called wheel. Whether he outright supports the movement or not he's but one weapon or tool in the greater movement. It still comes down to Men willing to do whatever it takes to restore balance with extreme prejudice. Through social structures, services, deeds, etc by whatever means necessary. Men have to screw their balls back on and fight the power. Trump is a vehicle to kick the movement into action. His actions are supporting indirectly by providing the "distraction and disception" plan of psychological warfare. Use the Left's tactics and develop new ones to defeat them.

Blogger praetorian April 18, 2017 1:26 PM  

I just come here for the dc.sunset posting.

Anonymous kfg April 18, 2017 1:33 PM  

" . . if blood were to be shed as a consequence of the Alt-Right's refusal to submit to the threat of violence from Black Bloc, antifa, and the post-American Left . . ."

. . . it would be their blood, rather than ours. They have not left "no blood will be shed" as an option.

What they do not seem to understand is that many who tend to be on their side in a purely ideological struggle will be forced to ours when it comes to actual blows.

Anonymous DirkH April 18, 2017 1:39 PM  

@45 : Lovekraft April 18, 2017 12:48 PM

"Thunderf00t will always have my respect for taking down The Sarkeesian. His efforts took a lot of balls, considering they tried to doxx him, get him fired etc. Right now he's a scientist. Let him be that."

I enjoy his antifeminist stuff as well as his science stuff. But, I was always bemused by his complete naivety with regards to spirituality (which manifests itself obviously in consciousness). And wondered when he would start to come around.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer April 18, 2017 1:43 PM  

OT but thought VD might be interested. Poor mister Pakman got a puff piece in NYT today about youtube's changing policies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/17/arts/youtube-broadcasters-algorithm-ads.html?_r=1

Blogger dc.sunsets April 18, 2017 1:44 PM  

@57 yeah, well, I talk a good game. I come to see what's going to happen, b/c I am navigating blind. I get more insights at this blog than any other site I visit, both in the op's and in the comments.

I always feel like a mouse who read the book jacket for "The Big Book of Cats" and just noticed all the twitching tails and staring eyes in the room.

"May you live in interesting times" takes on new meaning when the only lens through which I view this world says "once in (at least) 300 years trend change."

Blogger American Spartan April 18, 2017 1:50 PM  

Grayman wrote:DC

My local situation will probably get interesting. I'm on the edge of the "country" and essentially the borderland between a suburban dump of dindu and gibsmedats. Most locals are fairly quiet about firearms, but if you talk to the local police chief ( who is clearly awake) its almost shocking how heavily armed the "border" towns are. these are the towns the high income "conservatives" essentially fled to over the last decade.


I have to ask, what state?

Its a shame that they are so armed if they have not the will to use them.

I wonder if they are more scare to kill a non white in self defense out of fear of being called a "racist".

Blogger Some Guy April 18, 2017 1:55 PM  

The only area that I don't understand clearly is what will nuclear powers such as Russia and China do while we duke it out over here? The key to me would seem to be getting your hands on the nuclear arsenal first and working your way out from there. How do you see the nuclear arsenal playing into this Vox?

Anonymous glosoli April 18, 2017 1:58 PM  

For the US, a decade or so from now til they hyperinflate. Trump will keep things under control for this period.

Then the US mobilises its deep storage gold reserves behind a new currency after dissolving the Fed, and will happily join the New World Order, run by Satanists: Putin, Xi,(((their guy))) and the poodle Trump.

No civil war, no major troubles, the plan is to make the right think they've won. Then they can crush Christians who refuse to bow down to the false Messiah. That'll be the time to fight.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 18, 2017 2:00 PM  

its almost shocking how heavily armed the "border" towns are. these are the towns the high income "conservatives" essentially fled to over the last decade.

I think what's coming is unprecedented. Unless "Central Authority" is willing to call in air strikes or arty, large swaths of America have too deep an armory to be coerced. Home field advantage should be astonishing, and foraging for food (in other people's homes) will come with a very short life expectancy.

If even a RUMOR of a neighborhood getting plundered gets out, anyone who is not a familiar face will get the Three S's. Even Cross-eyed Joe can hit a 9" circle at 100 yds with his commercial-grade (almost unfired) AR and every one of us knows people who have lined their basement walls with ammo. They'll run out of water before their bolt locks back for good.

Anonymous map April 18, 2017 2:02 PM  

OT:

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=56598

Democrats celebrate white male suicides. Now, the Dems are trying to walk this back, but here is the critical point: you can hear the Democrat crowd cheering.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 18, 2017 2:03 PM  

@64 For the US, a decade or so from now til they hyperinflate. Trump will keep things under control for this period.

How do have hyperinflation in the presence of $20t nominal debt, $65t in balance sheet debt, $200t to $1.25q (as in quadrillion) notional debt (all in) and a government system addicted to borrowing?

Blogger JCclimber April 18, 2017 2:04 PM  

Methinks if America descends into armed and bloody civil war, the rest of the major powers will not be far behind, especially China. India. Pakistan. The entire Middle East. Russia and Ukraine. Nordic countries. France. Italy. The Balkans. Turkey. Korea.

Africa.

It's going to be bloody, and world-wide. Until finally people cry "Enough!". "Save us, spiritual leader!".

Blogger dc.sunsets April 18, 2017 2:06 PM  

Hyperinflation is entirely a banknote affair; show me one instance, ever, of hyperinflation occurring in the presence of a huge debt market.

We have HAD our vast inflation. It was credit inflation. It filled an OCEAN of bonds. It rationalized a massive Asset Mania. It enabled government spending without the hassle of actually taxing anyone.

You can't run an economy like the USA's on banknotes. And you can't have banknote inflation without first repudiating debt-wealth on a scale never before imagined.

Anonymous Grayman April 18, 2017 2:07 PM  

American Spartan wrote:Grayman wrote:


I have to ask, what state?

Its a shame that they are so armed if they have not the will to use them.

I wonder if they are more scare to kill a non white in self defense out of fear of being called a "racist".


The northeast.

Its not time for shooting yet. When things do get sporty and go kinetic I don’t think there would be too much hesitation or to many questions asked. A small handful of the fathers in town are awake and many others are quickly waking as they look around and are gently prodded by those already awake.
All in all, it’s probably not a bad place to be. Besides the neighboring infestation that will likely be resolved one way or another in the early stages, geography, climate, local social networks, local food production, etc are reasonable. Cold winters are good when your potential opponent isn’t known for their long term planning skills.

Anonymous map April 18, 2017 2:08 PM  

I think everyone is forgetting one important problem:

Trump is not the last chance of the Right.

Trumps is the last chance of the Left.

Trump is the last attempt to resolve America's problems peacefully. Once that option goes, matters will turn hot.

Anonymous map April 18, 2017 2:11 PM  

dc.sunsets,

The whole purpose of hyperinflation is to screw over the bondholders by paying them back with cheaper dollars.

Anonymous Grayman April 18, 2017 2:13 PM  

@DC 65

They'll run out of water before their bolt locks back for good.

LOL, its funny because its true! That white-tail overpopulation issue wont be a problem any more either.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer April 18, 2017 2:18 PM  

Grayman wrote:@DC 65

They'll run out of water before their bolt locks back for good.

LOL, its funny because its true! That white-tail overpopulation issue wont be a problem any more either.


I imagine all of the wild life population is going to take a noticeable hit. If not by those of us with ammo to spare then by people who are desperate enough to learn to hunt them the old fashion way. Many of them (canadian geese) have become domesticated enough to get within arms reach of people.

Anonymous VFM#1819 April 18, 2017 2:19 PM  

I listened to novelist Mohsin Hamid blather on this morning on NPR about how "this time it's different" with reference to the mixing of cultures and immigration and believes that the future will be a shiny liberal utopia filled with the homogeneous brown blob of former distinct peoples. He maintains that anxiety about change is the only reason why people in the West are afraid of the ongoing rapefugee invasion, not because they are in fact rapefugee invaders.

I would love to see Vox debate him just to see Hamid get verbally disemboweled. I'm convinced Hamid moved back to Pakistan just so he could rape little boys and goats without being frowned upon by the neighbors.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 18, 2017 2:20 PM  

It's quite possible the scenario dcsunsets tells us about will start with our women just snapping from nice white woman to "where the f*ck are your balls, more Waffen SS and less sports watching shlub" sort of craziness.

Anonymous kfg April 18, 2017 2:30 PM  

"Many of them (canadian geese) have become domesticated enough to get within arms reach of people."

Get within arms reach? The bastards sit in the middle of the bike path (crapping all over it) and lunge at me when I ride by.

Should the rule of survival be invoked, it's going to be revenge with air rifle at 5 yards.

Anonymous BBGKB April 18, 2017 2:31 PM  

OT: CUCKS say TRUMP should make (((deal))) with Ginsburg to replace with younger shitlib jew. If deal doesn't include a pillow over her head or being impeached for not recusing her self after performing gay weddings forget it

http://www.businessinsider.com/chris-ruddy-trump-ruth-bader-ginsburg-merrick-garland-2017-4?r=UK&IR=T

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 18, 2017 2:39 PM  

kfg wrote:Get within arms reach? The bastards sit in the middle of the bike path (crapping all over it) and lunge at me when I ride by.
I've raised geese (Never Again!). With some practice, you can catch them by the head when they lunge. Flip of the wrist to snap their necks. It's the fastest way to butcher the farking bustards.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 18, 2017 2:50 PM  

So the cucks are so uncomfortable with having stood their ground and won a battle that they are looking to surrender retroactively?
"I'm sorry we beat you in that fight. Here have for free what you were willing to destroy me and the country to get. No, no quid pro quo. I just feel really bad for you."
That's a weird level of hyper-dysfunction.
Wait a minute, let me check something.

He has also studied at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and Columbia University.
Every Damn Time.

Afraid there'll be one less (((Tribe))) on the SC, (((Chris Ruddy))) proposes pre-empting (((Ginsberg's))) imminent demise by re[placing her with a slightly less Communist (((Tribe))).

Liberal democrat? Sure, no problem. Which synagogue do you attend, Mr Gorsuch?

Anonymous kfg April 18, 2017 2:51 PM  

@Snidely Whiplash: "With some practice, you can catch them by the head when they lunge. Flip of the wrist to snap their necks."

I'll bear that in mind. And wear gaunlets and greaves.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable April 18, 2017 3:13 PM  

The American right doesn't expect Trump's help. It is enough if government stops trying to crush us under its boot heel.

This. Absolutely.

Trump doesn't need to do anything about Berkeley. Enough Berkeleys will just strengthen the Right. Look at what's going on already: Lauren Southern (who is CANADIAN, of all things) is down there taking punches and pontificating on the mic, when six months ago she was just reporting. All kinds of others are going through similar transformations.

The office of the president is not best utilized by stepping into these situations. Better he consolidate his base and do the job he was elected for, just so long as he lets his fellow Americans go about the business of taking care of the dirtbags themselves.

That's what the Left really fears: a Right wing left to do to them whatever it wishes and no protection from the State.

Blogger Matthew April 18, 2017 3:34 PM  

MenschFan wrote:Louise Mensch makes a very compelling point that many of those "Alt-Right" provocateurs were undoubtedly led by Russian assets.

That was really well done. You almost got me.

Blogger CF NEAL April 18, 2017 3:41 PM  

Is it just me, or is Twitter concerned about catching a "social disease" @ VD ?

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr April 18, 2017 3:41 PM  

I'm not so certain of the Great Disaster.

It seems to me that we're looking at a replay of the late 1960s and early 1970s. The Left is in full-bore tantrum mode, I would expect rioting and terrorist bombings over the summer.

The big difference is that with Trump in the White House and the GOP (however cowardly) in Congress, they can crack down brutally hard. To general applause.

I'll admit that the one area where Trump has disappointed me a bit is dealing with the "sanctuary cities". Properly called "areas in rebellion against the United States', and shortly thereafter "areas that just got the Billy Sherman Urban Renewal Treatment."

Blogger Matthew April 18, 2017 3:42 PM  

Why isn't Trump kissing your booboos and double-tapping the bully who hurt you?

Really?

Blogger Matthew April 18, 2017 3:42 PM  

Grow up and do something that costs you personally.

Blogger Scuzzaman April 18, 2017 3:46 PM  

@7
"Wherever any Western people stand up against the darkness, it's encouraging for all of us."

This.

Hope and Courage are *contagious*.

This is why our rulers stamp down hard on dissent.

Ironically, that is why they always lose; because their stamping down hard on some lone voice in the wilderness, for some innocuous thought crime against their orthodoxy, inspires others to take up that fallen one's cudgels and fight them.

And so on, and so it goes.

Blogger lowercaseb April 18, 2017 3:50 PM  

Matthew wrote:MenschFan wrote:Louise Mensch makes a very compelling point that many of those "Alt-Right" provocateurs were undoubtedly led by Russian assets.

That was really well done. You almost got me.


Приветствую вас мои соотечественники американцы...

Blogger CM April 18, 2017 3:53 PM  

Question: how do I red-pill my husband without overstepping boundaries?

Blogger dc.sunsets April 18, 2017 3:53 PM  

@73 Map, at the risk of pedantry, my premise is that no one controls things like hyperinflation.

Bondholders cannot get screwed intentionally because the Fed is among the largest bondholders and its owners have no intention of getting screwed.

The banking system (Fed as its head) is a victim of their basic joke: "When you owe the bank a million dollars and you get into financial trouble, you have a problem. If instead you owe the bank $20 trillion and get into financial difficulty, the BANK has the problem."

The Fed is a victim of its normal operations (lending money-from-nowhere and then charging "rent" on it) run amok. I actually do wonder if its managers realize they have No Way Out. They're certainly not stupid.

The one fear I have is that when this all blows sky high, bondholders (bankers, eventually) will try to use the political system to foreclose on all the property that forms loan collateral. I don't think bank-feudalism would work (bankers' heads on pikes) but that might be their plan.

In the meantime, if I'm correct (finally...I've been wrong too many times to admit) and bonds did top last August, the fuse is lit and all we're awaiting is the reveal of how much time we had left once interest rates began to rise.

Keep in mind, for every increase in rates, a tsunami of wealth destruction cross the Bond Ocean. Rates literally doubled (10 year Note) from Aug to Dec last year. A couple more doubles and------BOOM. It's off to the races in Deflation Land.

Once the "wealth" in the bond market is largely burned to the ground, then I'm 100% with you, odds favor hyperinflation then, on the way to the Federal Government becoming all but a paper tiger.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 18, 2017 3:53 PM  

It seems to me that we're looking at a replay of the late 1960s and early 1970s.

One difference might be that then there was an increasingly unpopular war for the radicals to protest against. Regardless of why they got into involved or whether they were right or wrong, protesting a war where people are getting killed has a lot more moral weight than protesting because you aren't happy that the other party won an election. This really is a "tantrum" for most of them, a tantrum against bad feels.

Another difference is that they were riding with the current of societal change that time. This time they're trying to swim against it, and that will become more obvious as time goes on.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 18, 2017 4:02 PM  

Napoleon, It seems to me that we're looking at a replay of the late 1960s and early 1970s.

In the mid-60's the USA was coming off the most robust growth in the world. Its society was healthy. Crime was low, nuclear families were strong. That inertia carried into the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Immigration Act of 1965 and people largely still believed we had "money to spare" to right the world's wrongs.

The sideways correction ended in 1981/1982 and we've spent 35 years in a major boom....BUT:
1. We borrowed every dime of it.
2. We became addicted to #1.
3. $ we spent on righting wrongs was wasted.
4. Social health is a catastrophe.

We're gasping toward a debt-fueled apogee. For this reason, I believe what we face is not a repeat of the 1960's or even a repeat of the 1930's. The level of debt build-up in the 1920's was NOTHING compared to now. Neither was citizen dependence on government.

Nope. This time it should be more like the 1720's (through 1784 or so) and ultimately like what preceded the French Revolution...only this time, the Left is going to get it in the neck.

History rhymes, as we all keep repeating.

I honestly believe that when we get low, I mean if we see a DJIA below 1000, if some throws a riot, the rioters will be quite literally slaughtered, either by "the authorities" or by John Q Public himself.

Anonymous patrick kelly April 18, 2017 4:05 PM  

"Let's not forget: a nation divided against itself can not stand!"

It's already divided, it will not stand as we know it.

The nation before Civil War I did not exist after it.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 18, 2017 4:15 PM  

I'm a trad also. You have a good point. Yet I think two things must be pointed out;
1. The alt-right has never threatened our practice of our religion. The left has and does.
2. We can't blame Protestants and others for having a negative view of the Church given the current conditions. We have to eventually do something about the new mass. It's not enough for us to worship at the traditional mass in isolation. We really need to engage with the "Catholic Answers" types. Of course, we should have confidence as the new mass has hemorrhaged worshippers. The vital Catholic population of the young and fertile seems to solidly prefer the TLM.
Eventually the traditional mass will win out, and the confusion and lack of authority coming out of Vatican II will be a thing of the past!

Just my thoughts.

Blogger VD April 18, 2017 4:55 PM  

Question: how do I red-pill my husband without overstepping boundaries?

Tell him that you think it's hot when real men kick SJW ass.

Anonymous map April 18, 2017 5:28 PM  

dc.sunsets,

I think you have some misunderstandings.

First, the Fed does not merely control the buying of its own bonds. It also controls the interest rate. This makes sense, when you think about it. To maintain the illusion that issued bonds are being bought, the Fed would need to control both aspects of the debt cycle. So...whether or not you have a bond market dislocation will depend entirely on what the Fed does, both over its control over interest rates and over bond purchases.

Second, the largest buyers of 30-year Treasury notes are insurance companies, with foreign nations and the Fed coming in after. As you can see, there are plenty of creditors that the government can default on if it so chooses.

The Fed controls the prime rate, which is basically the minimal interest rate that can be charged in the market. It does not control the interest rate on corporate bonds or whether corporate bond sales go through. That is a separate animal.

What the Fed is basically doing with its Open Market Activities is creating the impression that all Treasury securities will be paid off when they come due. That's very important for establishing the stability of the bond market. Interest rate increases are probably determined by a coin toss coupled with how "overheated" the market gets. This creates the illusion of a free market by emulating a chart pattern.

What you will not see is massive interest rate increases. This is because you can't. It will destroy the value of any debt security, with the damage being worse the further out the maturity is.

If you want to have some signal as to how credit markets affect the real world, then look at the corporate bond market. We are entering a huge credit default cycle where a lot of companies will go bankrupt. This is a much better indicator than the Fed.

Anonymous Mathias April 18, 2017 5:38 PM  

@96,

There is also the fact there are serious issues with corruption of the Clergy, the entire institution needs a review and housecleaning, and has since before Martin Luther walked the Earth. But this requires that we repent, and recognize our own contribution (denail & inaction) to the problem.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 18, 2017 5:59 PM  

map wrote:What you will not see is massive interest rate increases. This is because you can't. It will destroy the value of any debt security, with the damage being worse the further out the maturity is.
The Fed has no actual control over the interest rate. When the market for Fed securities dries up, they will have to raise rates in order to sell them.
So far they have maintained their zero rate by two mechanisms. 1) The US Treasury literally threatens with absolute destruction any large player that doesn't play along. "Citigroup, you don't want to buy your accustomed billions of bonds this month, how would you like your access to the Fed Discount window and Overnight Rate to be removed? Oh, and we know the guys over at the FDIC too."
2) Treasuries are still seen as a safe haven when people are more concerned with the actual return of funds rather than the rate of returns. By injecting uncertainty into the bond market, and actually destroying significant players, they can (and have) cause a panic flight to Treasury bonds most any time they want to.
When the big players start imploding, #1 won't work any more. When the psychology of #2 runs out, the Treasury is toast.
That was the big deal with the collapse in 2008, that several of the major players that support the Fed manipulation were in danger of either collapsing themselves, or bailing on Treasuries.

That's what "Too Big To Fail" means.

Anonymous kfg April 18, 2017 6:05 PM  

"That inertia carried into the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Immigration Act of 1965 and people largely still believed we had "money to spare" to right the world's wrongs."

Until '65, money was silver and Fed debt notes were supposedly backed by gold at a fixed rate of $35/oz.

Blogger tublecane April 18, 2017 6:10 PM  

@14-Trump isn't just president. He's de facto leader of his party, or at least one of the leading Republicans (I don't know how good a job Trumpists are doing of taking over the party). He's also the leader of a movement, or Personality Cult if you will. He doesn't exist merely to carry out the duties of his office.

Blogger tublecane April 18, 2017 6:20 PM  

@31-Trump came out against Black Lives Matters, and it didn't hurt him one bit. Granted, feral blacks were actually murdering people and it was in defense of cops, not the alt-right. He also made hay out of the shenanigans at his rallies during the campaign, which the MSM tried desperately and failed to blame on him. People don't like dirty commie agitators and the MSM will not able to pass them off as innocents, I don't think, even if they manage to trick people into thinking they're fighting Nazis.

There's a very clear political template here, and that's Nixonian Law and Orderism. Which Trump used during the election, to what effect I do not know. It won't be easy to make terrorists out of lefty Soda Pop Ninjas, and should they escalate to murder and mayhem, the right will too. In which case Trump would be wrong to take sides.

Ah, but then he could get real Law and Order-y, and intervene for order's sake. Which can come off as centrist, but the law will always favor one side or the other. And he can help tilt it this way.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 18, 2017 6:29 PM  

Map, we disagree on the omnipotence of the fed.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 18, 2017 6:41 PM  

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Anonymous glosoli April 18, 2017 6:45 PM  

Re hyperinflation, you need to understand the dollar market first, so I recommend reading Jeff Snyder at the Alhambra blog. It's a complicated subject, so complicated, the Fed themselves don't grasp the dollar market these days, nor what *money* actually comprises.

Secondly, the debts that will cause the hyperinflation are not the bond debts, but the trade deficit. Once the rest of the world switches to using the euro for oil and most other global commerce, the dollar will lose its network effect, and no one will need or want it. At a time of economic contraction and burgeoning Federal budget deficits, they will not find buyers for USTs, even as rates rise. So, the Fed will buy it all, and any muni debt, state debt, any debt that is going bad. Democracy will demand it. As the dollar plunges, so the trade deficit worsens, and that's where the hyperinflation will begin, in real goods and services, not in the markets. You might see the USD index climbing as the hyperinflation happens (think about what investors collect when they sell USTs, they collect US dollars, and those dollars can only be spent in one country (in volume): America.

So, all those eurodollars will flood home, and will start to bid for real assets, at the same time that everything imported is costing more. Ultimately it becomes self-fulfilling of course, as confidence vanishes.

Legally, that's why the US keeps its gold in deep storage, still valued at 1971 prices, because they still owe plenty of *money* to other nations when Nixon broke the rules. But once the US dollar has hyperinflated, the US can then use its gold to back a new currency, and settle some very old debts. And all those trillions of debts...poof, gone. Magic. Unless you were expecting a pension.

Get gold, now.

Anonymous Andrew Anglin April 18, 2017 7:52 PM  

Vox: "a fifth one...partition". I don't think so: the (((parasites))) and their equally parasitic ethnic-invasive armies will never allow the White host to separate or secede. Either - as per (((Sontag))), (((Wattenberg))), (((Ignatiev))), (((Spectre))), (((Soros))) et al. - the (((parasites))) will "kill the best goyim", as per their Tikkun Olam, or the Whites will kill the parasites.

Blogger Lazarus April 18, 2017 8:02 PM  

Napoleon 12pdr wrote:It seems to me that we're looking at a replay of the late 1960s and early 1970s. The Left is in full-bore tantrum mode, I would expect rioting and terrorist bombings over the summer.

I may be wrong, but I don't think these Black Boc types have it in them. The earlier bunch though they were fighting against oppression so their motivation was intense. BBs are fighting FOR oppression. Deep down, there is a conflict that will surface at some point.

Anonymous Crew April 18, 2017 8:09 PM  

The way that certain billionaires are trying to set up space colonies suggests that they agree with the fifth option.

Blogger Unknown April 18, 2017 8:18 PM  

Can't let these ripe juicy cherries go unpicked...

Now, I'm not a leader of anything except the ELoE...

Plausible deniability has always been the cowards exit strategy. Adam's sin excuses Eve's, God created evil so I'm part of His plan says the devil, that sort of thing...


...in my capacity as a known Alt-Right figure...

In your capacity as a known Alt Right agitator, you mean. One wants to be held accountable for the right reasons when the time comes, doesn't one?

The course is set. The consequences are inevitable.

The world is perishing. Sin is death. But Jesus has set God's final rescue plan in motion. Repent of your sin and believe on Him and you will have eternal life! Even if you're a post-1965 immigrant on American soil. Who'da thunk it?

Anonymous Jack Amok April 18, 2017 11:45 PM  

I've raised geese (Never Again!). With some practice, you can catch them by the head when they lunge. Flip of the wrist to snap their necks. It's the fastest way to butcher the farking bustards.

Yeah, I hate geese too. Nasty, mean filthy creatures. I remember years ago at Marymoor Park there were a bunch of them crapping all over the grass. I watched in horror as a toddler - maybe three at the most, decided to go run and "scare the birdies" when his parents weren't watching. I had a huge sinking feeling in my stomach because I was way too far away to do anything. Luckily the family dog - looked like a Standard Poodle, could have been a Doodle of some sort - busted loose from his leash and charged in to save the kid. Those geese got one look at those teeth flying in at 35+ mph and got out of Dodge pronto. The dog was a damn sight smarter than the parents.

Anonymous johnc April 19, 2017 12:41 AM  

It seems like whites are always being goaded into fighting and killing each other. It's almost like there's a group of people who want to see us wiped out.

American politics and capitalism are so phony. It's all rigged to divide the people and cause strife while our masters make off with the money bag behind our backs. A standard diversionary tactic. Both sides are angry but through careful manipulation their anger is made to be directed at each other, rather than toward the criminal class.

The words of Fr. Coughlin remain true even today: "We're through with the sham battle of politicians, and now we're on our own."

The only way "democracy" works for a nation is when you have a vote and 90%+ of the population is in agreement. If your votes are coming up 50/50, you don't have a healthy nation. Hell, you don't really even have a nation at all.

Anonymous map April 19, 2017 1:38 AM  

johnc,

I've seen this argument made before.

The 50% of the people that you think are simply being goaded...make no mistake. They sincerely believe what they are doing. Their anti-white multiculturalism is something they hold near and dear to their hearts. They will certainly kill you and feel good about it.



Blogger dc.sunsets April 19, 2017 8:18 AM  

@106 While it appears impossible to empirically prove one monetary/economic/social hypothesis over another, I prefer mine because it weaves all of the items you describe into a system of effects, rather than individual causes.

Everything you describe (dollar hegemony, the trade deficit, debt levels and interest rates) are in my analytical framework nothing more than first order effects of social mood.

It would require a book-length dissertation to connect all the dots, so I'll not attempt it. Optimistic people bid up stocks, elect rulers who will pursue expansionist policies (including appointing credit-cycle expansionists at the Fed), buy lots and lots of junk, celebrate its manufacturing being packed up and shipped to Mexico, China, etc., accept ever-lower amounts of interest even as the supply of debt explodes, etc., etc., etc.

This is why the trade deficit tends to track the stock market. As do skirt hemlines, popular movie genres, pop music and a host of other social actions.

The problem we often face is that we see the world as it is and construct elaborate schemes for why 1) it was inevitable and 2) it will continue its trajectory.

As I said, I strongly prefer a more basic, all-encompassing hypothesis, one that embraces trend and trend-change, because this is the natural order of existence. Your mileage may vary.

@98 map: "I think you have some misunderstandings."

(chuckle.) The 13-week t-bill rate leads changes in the Fed Funds rate. I know, you'll say it's "insiders" who are front-running the Fed's already-decided-but-unannounced moves.

I prefer Occam's Razor.

Anonymous Pennywise April 19, 2017 12:17 PM  

Roosh and Milo would be the first on the chopping block should there be this civil war and eventual break-up. Regardless, whenever I read about these doomsday scenarios, that the United States is going to break up, it's another version of apocalyptic porn.

Anonymous glosoli April 19, 2017 4:35 PM  

@d.c sunsets,

I tend to agree with you. I was focusing purely on the financial in my comment, rather than the big trends behind them.

I've become convinced that ultimately it's a long cyclical war of the Heavens, and we're somehow involved here on earth. Jehovah had his reasons for creating us, and giving us the leeway to run His creation. We messed up early on in the Garden of Eden, and its now a long slide down, with brief rallies, until He hits the reset button.

The centre of power swings around the planet, but we all know who is behind the scenes, scheming and plotting and skimming off more and more for themselves. The BIS moved into Hong Kong nearly 20 years ago....

One day, their tables will be overturned for good. I hope see it, whilst alive, or from a good seat somewhere else.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 19, 2017 4:49 PM  

Apparently Auburn police are making antifa take their masks off. They don't look happy about having their faces on camera.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit April 20, 2017 4:09 AM  

CM wrote:Question: how do I red-pill my husband without overstepping boundaries?

Drop subtle hints that the women belong to the victorious tribe? Point out mixed-race couples (here, they are increasing exponentially and always white woman with diverse male, the reverse is very, very rare) and suggest that women can already see who will win unless white men step up...

Anonymous Avalanche April 20, 2017 7:07 PM  

@25 ""Immigrants" will be widely seen as sources of crime, dependency, system-gaming, wage-depression, job-competition, pollution, crowded classrooms, etc."

Sorry, you spelled that wrong:

"Immigrants" will be widely *recognized* as sources..."

FIFY


Blogger Bilejones April 20, 2017 7:59 PM  

The action of the Berkeley Police- disarming those opposed to the regime and then vanishing, gives the lie to those morons who claim that the pigs are on the side of the Right.

The Filth are on their own side and that means doing what their paymasters say, and if that involves victimizing those they allegedly agree with, that's just life.

Anonymous Avalanche April 20, 2017 8:52 PM  

@25 + " (2021 +/- a year, or possibly 2034 give or take a couple years, if the debt bubble's burst 2018-2021 is largely a financial affair)"

You know, with all the discussion here of 2025, 2030 and so on... Are y'all aware of the (extremely persuasive -- because scientific and mathematical -- so easy to see) conclusions that 2030 or 2031 will be the ... well ... deepest depth of the oncoming ice age? (The math isn't cast in stone, hence the two 'bottom' years.)

We're talking at least as bad as the Little Ice Age, where they held Ice Faires on the frozen-solid Thames and many THOUSANDS starved to death!

Among other cycles, over the past one million years, there is a clear ~100,000-year cycle: with ~90k years of solid ice age, and ~10k of "interglacial" (the warm-ish periods between hard cold) -- WE are currently running hard up against the end of the current (ending/receding) interglacial.

Anonymous Avalanche April 20, 2017 9:28 PM  

@91 "Question: how do I red-pill my husband without overstepping boundaries?"

Ask him. "Honey, I'm struggling with some things, and I'd like to discuss them with you, but I don't want to overstep your boundaries. When would be a good time for me to tell you what I'm working on and see what you think about it-all?"

Don't forget -- if you're hoping to TEACH him what he "should" know, you ARE overstepping boundaries! (You're not his parent or teacher, and if he doesn't ask to be taught, you don't teach! Yes?) However, if you have an open conversation (open in that he, TOO, gets to present his side and his opinion about what you know and feel), you can lay out what you're thinking and feeling and even finish by asking for his SUPPORT of your position(s).

Or ask him if he would be willing to read some information (which you will have picked out beforehand ) to consider if he would be willing to come to your side of the topic(s).

Remember -- and this is vital -- men do not handle their feelings the way women do, and if you don't keep YOUR poise (even IF he loses his), then you will have lost more than you gain! If he begins to get huffy or angry or upset, make a graceful and appreciative exit: 'Thank you for discussing this with me dearest. I'd like to take a break and think abort what you've said, and we can continue it at some future point."

You're NOT going to red-pill him in one easy session! (You might consider (at the risk of tooting my own horn) reading the essay I posted on Stormfront (a decade ago) called "How to Awaken a Woman." It was written to help men 'make' their own Rightist woman (because they're few and far between!).

In it, I wrote a suggested list for how to START the conversation: e.g., if 'she' wants kids, begin with how affirmative action will harm her kids chances for school and jobs and how higher taxes will mean less for her own kids. Or if she is worried about gang violence and personal safety, how 'cultures' (don't start with race!) have imported violence such as we would never consider including child rape and drug crimes.

Since you know you husband, you know what he is worried about 'in our world' and may be able to 'pitch' your discussion in a field you know he's aware of.

Blogger DonReynolds April 21, 2017 2:52 AM  

@72 map
"Trump is the last attempt to resolve America's problems peacefully. Once that option goes, matters will turn hot."

Completely agree and I have said the same thing several times the past two years.

Trump did not buy us more time, he bought the Left more time. The country is willing to give Trump time to sort this out, but if the Left fails to appreciate their unearned opportunity, then there will be no mercy.

Since the election, the Left has become even more confrontational and more demanding and more resistant to the usual appeals for peace and calm. This is their big mistake. They think they can grab for the brass ring but they will find it will cost them some fingers instead.

Vox is totally correct.
There is no going back to how it was....not ten years or fifty years.
WE are incompatible peoples and we cannot share the same country and definitely not the same government.

Either we will separate, or we will fight first and then separate, or we will fight until one side is completely gone. The most likely outcome is that there will be a fight and we will separate, short of one side or the other getting wiped out.

My personal preference would be to split the blanket, maybe even put it to a state-by-state vote.....but I seriously doubt there will be ANY voting once the fight starts.

So if conflict resolution is your bag, you know the problem and you know the answer. Call me if you get somewhere. In the meantime, my assumption is a fight to stake out territory and clear it of pests, followed by a generally stable perimeter, compelled by exhaustion.

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