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Monday, April 10, 2017

You don't say

My proposed scenario of a joint US-Chinese effort against North Korea is looking considerably less out there than it did three days ago:
According to Chosun, a Korean news agency, the People’s Republic of China has moved an estimated 150,000 troops to the border of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (a.k.a. North Korea) in order to prepare for “unforeseen circumstances.”

Among such unforeseen circumstances?  The possibility of “military action” by the United States.

Over the weekend, U.S. president Donald Trump ordered the U.S.S. Carl Vinson (CVN – 70) – a 1980 Nimitz-class aircraft carrier – and three guided-missile destroyers to break off planned exercises in Australia and head toward the Korean peninsula.

This redirection was ostensibly ordered in response to North Korea’s latest missile test – in which a nuclear-capable intermediate-range ballistic missile called the Pukguksong-2 was successfully fired for the second time.

Both North Korean missile tests took place as Trump was welcoming key Asian leaders for meetings at his Winter White House in Mar-a-Lago, Florida.

The Chinese military posturing comes two months after its government announced the immediate suspension of coal imports from North Korea – cutting off a vital economic lifeline for North Korean dictator Kim Jong-Un.
This doesn't mean I'm correct. It doesn't mean that the God-Emperor isn't sending 150,000 troops to Syria in order to attack Russia, Iran, and the Assad regime there.  But it does demonstrate why it's probably best to keep your eyes open and your mouth shut when the God-Emperor does something you don't understand.

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Blogger dc.sunsets April 10, 2017 2:03 PM  

I wonder if, in even a few centuries, historians will know what was actually going on in our times.

Anonymous Eduardo April 10, 2017 2:10 PM  

Kim Jong-Un will soon be bragged by the pussy.

Anonymous Atlas April 10, 2017 2:11 PM  

Keeping your eyes open and your mouth shut is good advice...period.

Thanks for the reality check Vox.

Anonymous Looking Glass April 10, 2017 2:12 PM  

I'm going to rest in the "Kim got himself a sub" camp for the time being, but just the act of moving that amount of troops is going to get Kim started purging his leadership. Something has really changed and it's not just that Trump is in office.

Blogger Servant of the Chief April 10, 2017 2:13 PM  

God I hope thats what this is. The Syria sand-pounding is just a Russo-American feint to distract from this build up and, at home, to appease and befuddle the Neocons.

If by the end of this month North Korea ceases to be the nightmarish shithole it is, then thats one good thing.

Blogger Esse Quam Videri April 10, 2017 2:14 PM  

Lesson learned. It's fascinating being able to read the news, come here (and to other sources like Scott Adams and Cernovich) to get a 4D chess take that ends up being far closer to reality than anything from the MSM and fake news outfits. Not that I've taken anything they've said over the last few years seriously, but I do admit to being caught up in the hysteria over Syria despite everything I've read and learned here over since I started lurking in 2012.

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni April 10, 2017 2:15 PM  

I don't see why the Chinese would have to do more to cause regime change in NK than to make a phone call. Who's going to defy them?

Anonymous VFM #7916 April 10, 2017 2:15 PM  

If you know the MSM does #fakenews and fixates on false flags, perhaps the MSM can be used as Doomed Spies?

I'm still not pleased at the mechanism, but I'll grey pill for the moment.

Blogger ZhukovG April 10, 2017 2:17 PM  

So perhaps China has a NK General or three in their pocket that are ready to act. But, they can't guarantee their won't be significant forces that will oppose the coup. So China ponies up 150K troops and the US offers a couple CAG's. Makes sense that they keep SK and Japan completely out of it.

In all seriousness this isn't even all that complicated a plot. So talk multi-dimensional chess would just make a person look dumb.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 10, 2017 2:17 PM  

@7

Well maybe they made the phone call and were told "Fuck you". Now North Korea doing so to China would be the very definition of insane but then again of all the rhetoric about Assad the fact is that the Kim family better fits the bill of mad-man leader.

Blogger Lazarus April 10, 2017 2:18 PM  

Sean Spicer was asked today about actions in Syria. Spicer categorically stated that trump foreign policy is still based on an America First , and that the US will not play global policeman.

All you dogs should give thanks for this crumb from the God-Emperor's table.

Blogger cheddarman April 10, 2017 2:20 PM  

It would be a win for China if they could depose Kim and turn North Korea into a more stable buffer state. If Kim continues in his lunacy, Japan will want to rearm and develop nuclear weapons as a deterrent.

Blogger allyn71 April 10, 2017 2:21 PM  

War with a nuclear armed N. Korea is no more preferable than war with Syria in the Middle East. I hope all of this saber rattling dies down and we return to draining the swamp and "America First".

Unfortunately I feel that is an unlikely event. As the other post highlights, What we want and what happens can be two different things. The only thing we can control is how we respond to it.

If things go hot in Korea hope the Chicoms are on our side otherwise shit could get real. Would rather not find out.

Anonymous Looking Glass April 10, 2017 2:23 PM  

@5 Servant of the Chief

McCain is already back to being angry with Trump, so his hard-on for killing didn't last the weekend.

@7 Maximo Macaroni

Kim has executed everyone of any competence by extreme measures since he took power. They aren't Marxist. It's really a Kim-worship Cult. This works surprisingly well for sorting out who is loyal.

Though the issue with replacing Kim is going to be that any change at the top could easily destabilize everything below it.

Anonymous Looking Glass April 10, 2017 2:32 PM  

@13 allyn71

The nice part about #MAGA is that Trump delegates. He gives directives, checks in when needed, then do the speeches/photo ops. It's not like while everyone was in a frenzy about Syria that Senate rules got changed and Gorsuch was approved for SCOTUS.

It's not like the man has a globe-spanning Real Estate, Marketing, Branding and Hotel Empire. It would be crazy for him to know how to keep a complex organization running!

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni April 10, 2017 2:32 PM  

"Though the issue with replacing Kim is going to be that any change at the top could easily destabilize everything below it."

So NK is just about the definition of fragile. I bet the Chinese know exactly where to push them so they fall right over.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 10, 2017 2:33 PM  

Well maybe they made the phone call and were told "Fuck you". Now North Korea doing so to China would be the very definition of insane but then again of all the rhetoric about Assad the fact is that the Kim family better fits the bill of mad-man leader.

@10 Theproductofafineeducation
Yeah, I imagine Kimmie would need a heckuva sweetheart deal. Not to mention the cadres who are top dogs in Nork because they're close to Kimmie.

At the same time, I don't think it would be beyond China to move on NK if they felt they're more trouble than they're worth. It was the Vietnamese communists who threw Pol Pot out of power in Cambodia, after all.

Blogger Chris Lutz April 10, 2017 2:33 PM  

@11 In this is why I believe the missile strike is less about the children. It's about positioning that the use of poison gas is not acceptable and the US is not beholden to Obama's fecklessness any longer. The response was very limited and very directed. I think there are weapons no one wants to see used on a regular basis; nuclear, biological, and chemical.

It would be interesting to see if the Chicoms move to depose Kim and suddenly end up with a glowing Beijing.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr April 10, 2017 2:41 PM  

China has been using North Korea as a rabid dog to keep the U.S. and South Korea occupied...but sometimes, you have to shoot the rabid dog as a general threat.

And from a Chinese perspective, it's quite possibly a win. Keep Kim Jong-Un, and both the South Koreans and Japanese have reason to develop nuclear weapons. And Japan with the Bomb is very high on the Chinese nightmare list.

On the other hand, take out the NK regime, and the South Koreans will be too busy reconstructing NK to be a problem. The Americans may well withdraw forces from South Korea - for redeployment to Europe.

And Trump might sign off on it. He gets to pull significant forces out, to reinforce Europe. North Korea ceases to be a headache. And he establishes a cooperative relationship with China.

We'll have to wait for developments, but it's plausible.

Blogger allyn71 April 10, 2017 2:44 PM  

@15 Looking Glass

I am well aware of Trumps ability to manage and delegate. It is a hallmark of his and why no one had any success attacking his "lack of experience".

I never said he couldn't be doing multiple things at once. He is and most of them are good. That said sometimes there is no 4d chess going on and a war is just a war. Time will tell.

There is nothing in Syria or Korea or Japan that is worth Americans dying for. The people doing the dying are not going to reap the benefits. Just because the President can handle multiple items doesn't mean war is a good idea.

Anonymous Broken Arrow April 10, 2017 2:48 PM  

If the Chinese are going to invade NK then the top priority has to be special operations to secure the nukes. That's a tall order as they could be hidden in any number of places, and if they don't get them all quickly some crazy might fire one to go down in a blaze of glory.

China has to be the one to invade as well, as they will never allow a US puppet state on their southern border.

Blogger Aleksander Pierchalski April 10, 2017 2:50 PM  

Since everyone is just speculating, it's equally possible this move by China is a warning to the US and SK not to attack the DPRK. China intervened in the Korean War when the Allies were on the verge of total victory.

Blogger Orville April 10, 2017 2:50 PM  

So with 150K moving to the border to support whatever is already there, they are facing either the first or fourth largest military (by personnel) in the world at between 700K and 1.2 Million troops.

However conditions aren't too peachy for the regular army http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/personnel.htm
They might fold right up if they saw a determined China moving to replace Kim. The Kim cult surely has "true believers", but I'll bet most are going along to get along.

Blogger Lazarus April 10, 2017 2:50 PM  

After kim's brother, who was under Chinese protection, was assassinated, China banned Nork coal imports to put the squeeze on kim.

I think they are ready to help Trump de-nuclearize the Norks as long as the regime change does not result in the unification of the 2 koreas.

Blogger Orville April 10, 2017 2:52 PM  

Also, you have to wonder about placement. I know nothing about it, but I wonder if the vast majority of assets are on the DMZ and not the border with China.

Anonymous Very Long Time Reader First Time Comment April 10, 2017 2:54 PM  

Oh noes! Trump's gonna start a nucular war! Muh fambly! I was totally supporting him until this! You stupid assholes need to reject him like yesterday!

Blogger August April 10, 2017 2:54 PM  

I am hoping for the best, but the best involves Trump saying he was scammed at some point.
We can't have this narrative lying around- neither the atrocity story, nor the idiotic premise that we've got to police the globe. Even with NK, the more sane thing to do would be try talking directly with them- it is my understanding that we haven't. We've done a few multi-laterals, always treated them like children, and Trump ought to know, having been treated badly by our media, how unlikely some of these stories coming out of there are.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 10, 2017 2:54 PM  

@27 Maximo Macaroni
I don't see why the Chinese would have to do more to cause regime change in NK than to make a phone call. Who's going to defy them?
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Maybe they did call him but he's so batshit crazy that he can no longer be reasoned with.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 10, 2017 2:55 PM  

Short of using nukes we don't have the heart to fight the Norks. They'd have bled us white even before we ruined out armed forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now? Now we're so fucked that we need a new word; fucked doesn't quite cover it anymore.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 10, 2017 2:59 PM  

@24 Lazarus
After kim's brother, who was under Chinese protection, was assassinated, China banned Nork coal imports to put the squeeze on kim.

Knew about the assassination, didn't know about the coal.
Which reminds me, Kim's brother likely was killed with a direct application of something like a nerve agent right in the eyes and nose. He went to the bathroom and then fell over. Compare and contrast with whatever it was that happened in Syria.

I think they are ready to help Trump de-nuclearize the Norks as long as the regime change does not result in the unification of the 2 koreas.

Any regime change will make North Korea so obviously a puppet of China, not sure how that would play out in the longer term. As long as the Chinese didn't try to colonize North Korea it would probably become acceptable after some time. The rest of east Asia might accept the Nork rabid dog being shot as long as it wasn't part of a larger Chinese expansion.

The South Koreans are probably still divided on the idea of reunification themselves.

Blogger Nate April 10, 2017 2:59 PM  

and yet Tillerson is still jabbering about regime change.

Blogger Achilles April 10, 2017 3:01 PM  

Hope you're right Vox. Make Syria Great Again just doesn't have the same ring to it. #MSGA

Blogger Tom Kratman April 10, 2017 3:02 PM  

"The South Koreans are probably still divided on the idea of reunification themselves."

If they've looked at how much it cost the Germans to reunify, they ought to be reluctant.

That said, people are still largely emotional and instinctive; they may be willing to pay the price. Then, too, it's been observed that the ROKs worry less about a Nork nuke than we do, because they fully expect it to become their nuke in time.

Blogger Servant of the Chief April 10, 2017 3:02 PM  

@14 If McCain is back to being pissed, then good, fuck his warmongering. I had been tentatively in the 'This is an 88th Dimensional Underwater Backgammon Gambit' after I heard the strike happened (prior to that I was with the Alt Right folk on Gab desperately scrambling to try to get the #SyriaHoax tag trending) if Vox is right, we now have a solid geopolitical reason for Trump to go through with these shenanigans, and, hopefully, a way to purge his government of Neocon shills, but thats a long shot at this point.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 10, 2017 3:02 PM  

@26 Very Long Time Reader First Time Comment
Oh noes! Trump's gonna start a nucular war! Muh fambly! I was totally supporting him until this! You stupid assholes need to reject him like yesterday!
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You don't know what
we may find
why don't you come with me little cuck
on a magic copter ride

Blogger Lazarus April 10, 2017 3:02 PM  

August wrote:nor the idiotic premise that we've got to police the globe.


I reiterate:

Lazarus wrote:Sean Spicer was asked today about actions in Syria. Spicer categorically stated that trump foreign policy is still based on America First , and that the US will NOT play global policeman.

All us dogs should give thanks for this crumb from the God-Emperor's table.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr April 10, 2017 3:02 PM  

@29: I'm betting on a Chinese-engineered coup, with the South Koreans (and possibly the U.S.) on the hook for the humanitarian relief efforts needed.

Blogger Chris Lutz April 10, 2017 3:03 PM  

Maybe they did call him but he's so batshit crazy that he can no longer be reasoned with.

@28 He's crazy and he has nuclear weapons. Beijing has to worry that if they push him too hard he'll nuke them. Ho-ho-ho he has nuclear missiles now too.

Probable scenario, Chicoms move in for regime change but fail to secure the nukes. Japan, South Korea, China, and Hawaii get nukes sent their way. Who knows what happens then.

Blogger Kman April 10, 2017 3:03 PM  

Last time the chicoms did this they attacked the south and US troops
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Anonymous Looking Glass April 10, 2017 3:03 PM  

@19 Napoleon 12pdr

It would be a while, partially as there's the whole issue of a peace deal for the end of the Korean War, but the US eventually leaving the Korean Peninsula might be some part of an understanding with the ChiComs. If NK becomes like, say, Vietnam is now. There's a deep misconception that South Korea truly wants to retake North Korea. It's a lot more complicated than just stating it.

@25 Orville

Borders with China & Russia are mostly about keeping people *in* the country. And, yes, a little chunk in the NE of NK borders on Russia.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 10, 2017 3:04 PM  

@29 Tom Kratman
Short of using nukes we don't have the heart to fight the Norks.

Even nukes would not save Seoul from destruction. That's the South Korean capitol and biggest city, so huge damage to the political, economic and social structures of the South. Kratman already knows this, I'm observing for others.

If anyone doubts: How many artillery tubes are pointed at Seoul after 60 years of Nork preparation? Must be thousands by now, if not tens of thousands. However there are, for sure it's more than enough to level the city in a matter of days with standard artillery shells. No Nork nukes required.

OpenID aew51183 April 10, 2017 3:04 PM  

only 3 destroyers? Aren't normal carrier groups considerably larger?

This would indicate Trump does not anticipate the chinese navy to be a threat.

Blogger Basil Makedon April 10, 2017 3:05 PM  

I suspect that the Nork's mad dash towards nuclear weapons and a ballistic missile delivery mechanism is every bit as much a deterrent for China as it is for the South Koreans, the Japanese or the US. They are a Chinese puppet, but they want to break free -- at least to a certain degree.

They will likely remain economically dependent forever.

It would not surprise me at all to see the latest Kim be deposed and replaced by the Chinese. Can't have puppets that want to move themselves or, worse, cut the strings.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 10, 2017 3:06 PM  

In all seriousness this isn't even all that complicated a plot. So talk multi-dimensional chess would just make a person look dumb.

True. The point isn't that we should shut up because we can't understand the president's super-complicated strategery. The point is that we shouldn't let the anti-Trump forces goad us into overreacting as soon as some new bit of "news" comes out, but should wait for all the facts before we start fighting over the lifeboats. I didn't have to have a complete alternative theory worked out to know what we were being told wasn't just as it appeared. That's why it's called Fake News, after all.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 10, 2017 3:07 PM  

@38 Chris Lutz
Probable scenario, Chicoms move in for regime change but fail to secure the nukes. Japan, South Korea, China, and Hawaii get nukes sent their way. Who knows what happens then.
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Our only consolation might be that Obola was on vacation in HI at the time

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 10, 2017 3:11 PM  

@33 Tom Kratman
If they've looked at how much it cost the Germans to reunify, they ought to be reluctant.

It'd probably be worse for the South - Norks than it was for the two Germanies. The cult of the Kims has been so pervasive, the deliberate isolation from the rest of the world so intense, and the "punish three generations" so Draconian that most North Koreans may be insane by the standards of anyone else. Re-unifying with distant cousins who happen to be batshit crazy would be one heck of a task.

Plus the greenies would object. The DMZ is now the biggest wildlife refuge in East Asia.

Blogger Deadmau5 Patton April 10, 2017 3:12 PM  

"Spicer categorically stated that trump foreign policy is still based on America First"
Glad to know we're believing the words of politicians now.

Blogger Elder Son April 10, 2017 3:14 PM  

Which ever way this plays out, N. Korea has 13,000 plus artillery pieces pointed at S. Korea. If Kim decides to lash out if hit by the USA and/or the Chinese, millions of S. Korean's will be dead and wounded. The DMZ will be decimated. And that is just artillery.

And just a reminder: “Yet another warning about the risks created through the arrogant foolishness of the US playing globocop.”

All heil globocop Elohim Emperor Trumpf.

Anonymous Ator April 10, 2017 3:15 PM  

Those in control want the war between Russia and the US because almost all of the people who suffer and die will be white. We can't let it happen. Syrians are the whitest Middle Easterners and enough of them have been killed already. No to white on white war ever again!

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 10, 2017 3:17 PM  

@48 Elder Son

One hour and 15 minutes? Dude, you're late.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 10, 2017 3:18 PM  

He can join on the magic copter ride too :P

Blogger Elder Son April 10, 2017 3:22 PM  

@50 Late? For what? Ah. I see. You thought I read the whole thread, saw your comment, and then decided to expand on it like, plagiarizing?

I was first! I was first! I was first every-body!

Anonymous Roundtine April 10, 2017 3:25 PM  

I don't see why the Chinese would have to do more to cause regime change in NK than to make a phone call.
After Tokyo, the most likely target of a DPRK nuclear strike is Beijing, because the most likely way the DPRK goes down is by being "back stabbed" by China.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 10, 2017 3:26 PM  

No one may have the stomach to face North Korea, but clearly something has improved in the Chinese-Russian-American cooperative relationship.

I wonder what that is.

Anonymous Jeff April 10, 2017 3:27 PM  

Me thinks Mr. Kim is currently feeling ronery.

Anonymous Donnie April 10, 2017 3:28 PM  

Too bad Vox doesn't take his own advice. He is still pleasuring himself to pictures of Trump.

Anonymous Silly but True April 10, 2017 3:29 PM  

"I think there are weapons no one wants to see used on a regular basis; nuclear, biological, and chemical."

It's more likely that the world's nations having absolute majority population likely want to see themselves have have sufficient power in form of these weapons including China, India, Indonesia, Pakistan, Russia, Egypt, Iran, Turkey, Ukraine, and North Korea to resist their use by others. "Regular basis" is probably true, but they're not generally used on regular basis to begin with.

Certainly there may be people of those nations who might agree, but I'd also hardly count 100% of western nuclear powers in agreement either.

I don't think it's sticking my head too far out to say majority of nations with majority of world's population probably want these weapons more than not.

Blogger Orville April 10, 2017 3:29 PM  

McStain shared his death boner with Kim.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 10, 2017 3:29 PM  

China could not have regime changed North Korea in 1980 with a phone call. Relations have deteriorated since then. Kim Jung Un is crazy and sociopathic...not suicidal.

Blogger allyn71 April 10, 2017 3:29 PM  

but clearly something has improved in the Chinese-Russian-American cooperative relationship

What is your evidence for that improved cooperation? Russia is canceling diplomatic meetings, Chinese troop movements could just as easily be in support of NK than against it. If you have any evidence to offer supporting improving relations that is great would love to see it.

Anonymous Looking Glass April 10, 2017 3:31 PM  

@54 VFM #6306

As I said up thread, a functional Diesel-Electric sub would count. South is the Strait of Malacca; East is Japan; further east is the USA. The Kim's don't count for "rational actors" that much.

But, like with Syrian WMDs, it is something that isn't fully public knowledge, and it has to be enough to piss off the Chinese. A lot.

Blogger Elder Son April 10, 2017 3:34 PM  

@53 As of now, I am sure anything going off from N. Korea's nuke launch pad will be shot down. And, if Kim were to go nuke, it would be a last act of desperation. We, and China, know where the nukes are.

Blogger Deadmau5 Patton April 10, 2017 3:34 PM  

"Too bad Vox doesn't take his own advice. He is still pleasuring himself to pictures of Trump."

He seems pretty open minded and sane about the entire situation tbqh. Definitely more than many of the commenters here and elsewhere, and on both sides of the speculation.

Anonymous Looking Glass April 10, 2017 3:35 PM  

@58 Orville

McStain was a good one, but "McDeathBoner" is probably more accurate.


As to Kim, something that just came to mind: his brother was assassinated with a Nerve Agent. Where did it come from? Does NK have supplies outside of the country?

Anonymous Mathias April 10, 2017 3:37 PM  

#63,

The biggest error is passing judgement before all the facts are in, and as I have said before, that takes the fullness of time, which in this case will be measured in months.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 10, 2017 3:37 PM  

@61
The Norks have had subs for years. Something else is involved.

Anonymous Sam the Man April 10, 2017 3:40 PM  

# 56 Donnie,

What possible value is a post like yours? Pure invective. Now folks may agree or disagree with Vox, but all your post did was to put on display your own projections of what you would do if your hero Hillary were in power. Seriously that is how I read it, as where else would have come up with such a comment?

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 10, 2017 3:40 PM  

The Chinese are not moving to prop up Kim, obviously. If you need evidence for that, you haven't been paying attention to China-NK relations for the past decade, or even last year, or, frankly, last week.

So, to say they "could just as easily be" supporting North Korea is foolish.

China is doing this days after friendly talks with Trump. Trump is not condemning it, as he sends the navy to the area while Russia looks on.

Obama does this and it is rapid fire condemnations of each other from all three parties.

Anonymous Silly but True April 10, 2017 3:43 PM  

Other items which overturned the apple cart were THAAD deployments to Guam by US and agreement to deploy in South Korea by mid 2017 as cemented Sept. 6, 2016 between Obama and Geun-hye at ASEAN.

A working THAAD with (generally) good success rate is much larger threat to Chinese power than anyone else.

Blogger Lazarus April 10, 2017 3:43 PM  

Deadmau5 Patton wrote:"Spicer categorically stated that trump foreign policy is still based on America First"

Glad to know we're believing the words of politicians now.


Do you know what a crumb is?

Blogger Orville April 10, 2017 3:44 PM  

Maybe Trump made a commitment to not challenge the Chinese expansion in the South China Sea. Of course that would cause the Neocons and the Navy to shit big blue bricks.

Anonymous 360 April 10, 2017 3:47 PM  

Trump already applied the cultural shame pressure on China when he said that the US would do something about NK if China does not. This is what true leadership looks like. It is so strange because it has been so long since we have actually seen it.

Blogger SouthRon April 10, 2017 3:50 PM  

Maybe McCain can serve his country one more time by doing a HENO on Kim.

High Exit. No Open.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents April 10, 2017 3:52 PM  

@56 Donnie

Dude, I bet that Were-Puppy has saved a space for you, too.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky April 10, 2017 3:53 PM  

Maximo Macaroni wrote:I don't see why the Chinese would have to do more to cause regime change in NK than to make a phone call. Who's going to defy them?

Lil' Kim has known for some time that he has been on the outs with China. Why do you think he's been conducting all these unusually deep purges? If he suspects any hint of Chinese influence on someone, he's been dragging them out to a field, tying them to a stake, and lobbing a mortar shell. This isn't just all on behalf of his sick amusement. There's a dark logic to it.

Blogger Deadmau5 Patton April 10, 2017 3:54 PM  

@lazarus "Do you know what a crumb is?"

Yes I do. Thank you for asking.

The Bill Mitchell Squad thinks public political statements are very meaningful. My snark wasn't meant to be directed at you. Just poorly worded general sarcasm at the idea of taking Spicer seriously. My fault if it came off the wrong way.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 10, 2017 3:55 PM  

"But it does demonstrate why it's probably best to keep your eyes open and your mouth shut when the God-Emperor does something you don't understand.

Like what?

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 10, 2017 3:57 PM  

The only way for the Koreas to unify is for the Koreans and China to agree to a very large buffer, demilitarized, no development border area with China.

Blogger Javier April 10, 2017 3:57 PM  

I still see more and more neocons in his cabinet, more fucking kikes getting a cozy jobs, including that rat looking son in law. Whatever game trump is playing is dangerous, he can be playing the Jews and Neo cons, or he was always one of them, putting a nice act for us dumb fucks. We know he is a jew lover, and Negro lover as well, he doesn't have white interests as a priority. For now things haven't escalated in Syria, but it can change very fast. Fighting a 2 front war maybe I impossible, probably could crush the economy. In any case, it may be good and accelerate the sky right plans, trump was always a means to an end. He is not alt tight, the true leader will rise from the ashes

Anonymous 360 April 10, 2017 4:00 PM  

@79

Yeah, OK, "Javier".

Blogger Cail Corishev April 10, 2017 4:00 PM  

clearly something has improved in the Chinese-Russian-American cooperative relationship.

Could it be as simple as the fact that America now has a leader who wants to have cordial relationships with other major powers? Seems like that would help.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 10, 2017 4:02 PM  

Our only consolation might be that Obola was on vacation in HI at the time

@45 Were-Puppy
Yeah, Hawaii getting nuked would look like divine justice for its giving us Obola, Derrick Watson, and many other anti-haole SJWs.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 10, 2017 4:05 PM  

@81

Gee, that would mean that instead of LARPing a "reset" as the smartest people in the room did, dumb old Trump is actually doing it. How could that possibly be true?

Anonymous Jeff April 10, 2017 4:10 PM  

The Wall would be cool, but if the God Emperor could pull off Korean unification, He would go down in history as the greatest President of all time.

Anonymous AR Sniper April 10, 2017 4:15 PM  

He also said that the spread of chemical weapons is a danger to US security. In line with 'America First'

Anonymous basementhomebrewer April 10, 2017 4:22 PM  

If we are put in a position to eventually pull our troops out of SK it would be a win for pretty much everyone involved. The Japanese and SKorean's might not be entirely happy with China being directly in charge of NK but they will still likely prefer it to the recent series of unstable/unpredictable leaders NK has had.

Anonymous BBGKB April 10, 2017 4:28 PM  

McCain is already back to being angry with Trump, so his hard-on for killing didn't last the weekend

Well he really only enjoys killing those on his own side.

Blogger DeploraBard April 10, 2017 4:39 PM  

The danger is in the uncontrollable chaos. Many definite opinions on how this goes down. I'd rather not find out, but am pretty certain it won't be as planned.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 10, 2017 4:39 PM  

Javier wrote:I still see more and more neocons in his cabinet, more fucking kikes getting a cozy jobs, including that rat looking son in law. Whatever game trump is playing is dangerous, he can be playing the Jews and Neo cons, or he was always one of them, putting a nice act for us dumb fucks. We know he is a jew lover, and Negro lover as well, he doesn't have white interests as a priority.

See, this is why you're alt-retard

Blogger Nate April 10, 2017 4:41 PM  

"only 3 destroyers? Aren't normal carrier groups considerably larger?"

there is at least one sub with them. guarantee it... but they probably don't report that. Apart from that a Carrier strike group is 2 destroyers, a cruiser, and the carrier.

Anonymous subhunter April 10, 2017 4:43 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:@54 VFM #6306

As I said up thread, a functional Diesel-Electric sub would count. South is the Strait of Malacca; East is Japan; further east is the USA. The Kim's don't count for "rational actors" that much.

But, like with Syrian WMDs, it is something that isn't fully public knowledge, and it has to be enough to piss off the Chinese. A lot.


Viva la deference: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/north-korea-fires-a-ballistic-missile-as-trump-prepares-to-host-chinas-xi/2017/04/04/8983fa36-1988-11e7-8003-f55b4c1cfae2_story.html?utm_term=.77596c2d7649

Anonymous Dack Thrombosis April 10, 2017 4:43 PM  

The number of cucks and trolls flooding various alt-right sites over the last few days is pretty astonishing to see. Not surprising, but astonishing. And there are still people willing to listen to them and roll themselves up in their blankies and suck their thumbs.

Good on Vox for not falling for it. I don't know how many times the earth would tremble and shake over the last almost two years because Trump was going "soft" and surely we were doomed. Yet somehow he always came through. Even if his mode of attack failed, he just pivoted and started a new one and moved forward.

The only way I'm losing faith in him is if I see actual concrete actions that mean he's failed us.

He's beclowned the neocons and cucks time and time again for almost two years and people are still whining. For God's sake people, nut up. Give him the benefit of the doubt because he's earned it.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 10, 2017 4:48 PM  

@85.

Who is spreading? Any country that has farming, or pools, has the material.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker April 10, 2017 4:54 PM  

If China is massing 150,000 troops on the border with North Korea . . .

Anonymous Dack Thrombosis April 10, 2017 4:56 PM  

China has carried out military exercises on the North Korean border before, but I don't remember how many troops they used. This seems like a lot.

Anonymous Silly but True April 10, 2017 5:05 PM  

For what its worth, another report I saw was more specific in its listing:
CVN 70 (USS Carl Vinson / carrier)
DDG 108 (USS Wayne Meyer / guided missile _destroyer_)
DDG 112 (USS Michael Murphy / guided missile _destroyer_)
CG 57 (USS Lake Champlain / guided missile _cruiser_)

Anonymous Looking Glass April 10, 2017 5:05 PM  

@92 Dack Thrombosis

Someone paid a lot of my to paid shills last week. A lot.

Blogger Ingot9455 April 10, 2017 5:05 PM  


If it works out in North Korea...

I must say; for Assad and the Syrians to pull that chemical weapons stunt and for Trump to arrange his retaliation to his as he's having dessert with Xi on the last day...

It's like watching a martial arts movie with the hero against a dozen mooks and just when you think they have him surrounded, he ducks out of the way pushing one enemy's weapon so it parries three others and suddenly he's free to retaliate.

Anonymous Mathias April 10, 2017 5:08 PM  

Honestly, the doomsayers are the unreasonable ones here, it took far more than a day for Trump to win the support of most of the people here, and it will take far more than a day for him to lose it, at least with anyone with more than an ounce of moderation and sobriety.

Trump is batting at least 3 for 5 on major issues, far better than the 0 for 5 we would have gotten with Clinton. As far as I'm concerned, the Trump admin is still, at this moment in time, an absolute gain for our interests as long as the Shadowplay in Syria remains a Shadowplay.

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum April 10, 2017 5:10 PM  

North Korea is Satanic Shit-Hole. The stories that come out of the prison camps in that nation are horrifying. Satan rules that nation.

I think it is not our problem, we should isolate them, and leave them alone. If the North Koreans want freedom, let them fight for it.

IF... We are going to topple North Korea... We'd better be ready to go All. The. Way!

No half measures. No "Mission Accomplished" moments. The USA must be in 100%.

South Korea better be 100% on board. China better be 100% on board. Without those two countries, we're fucked.

We need to remake the map. "One Korea" should be the goal. The old regime must be exterminated. Gone. Forever. The lower-levels of the government: Out of power. South Korea needs to have their own military leaders ready to impose martial law, and begin reeducating North Koreans.

North Korea has nukes. We had better be ready to see mushroom clouds. Something people in college today have never seen. The last nuclear test was in 1992. Kids in college today live in a world where nuclear explosions do not happen.

There's going to be an epic humanitarian crisis when the dust settles. The Churches, and Temples in South Korea are going to be overflowing with starving refugees who will be very confused.

It can be done. From a humanitarian standpoint, it should be done. Just hope and pray we go all the way.

Anonymous WaterBoy April 10, 2017 5:11 PM  

Statement by Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis on the U.S. Military Response to the Syrian Government’s Use of Chemical Weapons:

"The U.S. military strike against Shayrat airfield on April 6 was a measured response to the Syrian government’s use of chemical weapons.

The president directed this action to deter future use of chemical weapons and to show the United States will not passively stand by while Assad murders innocent people with chemical weapons, which are prohibited by international law and which were declared destroyed.

The assessment of the Department of Defense is that the strike resulted in the damage or destruction of fuel and ammunition sites, air defense capabilities, and 20 percent of Syria’s operational aircraft. The Syrian government has lost the ability to refuel or rearm aircraft at Shayrat airfield and at this point, use of the runway is of idle military interest.

The Syrian government would be ill-advised ever again to use chemical weapons.
"

Bottom line says it all...but only if Trump has the resolve to follow through, again.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable April 10, 2017 5:14 PM  

Well he really only enjoys killing those on his own side.

Steve, McCain couldn't kill a cockroach with a pair of Doc Martens on. What he really enjoys is watching other people kill those on his own side. He's a bigger pussy than anything the G-E ever grabbed.

Anonymous Mathias April 10, 2017 5:23 PM  

@100,

I find your enthusiasm for us getting involved in Korea again a tad disturbing, victory will be if China does it for us and we can get away clean.

Blogger Lazarus April 10, 2017 5:30 PM  

WaterBoy wrote:The Syrian government would be ill-advised ever again to use chemical weapons."

Bottom line says it all...but only if Trump has the resolve to follow through, again.


The only problem being, it might not have been done by Assad.

Blogger Elder Son April 10, 2017 5:30 PM  

I, for one, look forward to a new Super Powers collaboration against the forces of evil. As our U.N. Founders envisioned. And PEACE! PEACE! PEACE!

Blogger Elder Son April 10, 2017 5:36 PM  

@101 FFS. Does anyone do any further reading/investigation other than what the MSM, or TP'sTB say?

Anonymous JohnScalzi'sHispanicCleaningLady April 10, 2017 5:40 PM  

"it's probably best to keep your eyes open and your mouth shut when the God-Emperor does something you don't understand."

No thanks Vox, I believe in thinking for myself. You should keep your idol worship in check, you're approaching Bill Mitchell levels.

the cult of personality around Trump has grown to such levels that he could send 150,000 ground troops into Syria and most people would support it. insane.

Blogger Elder Son April 10, 2017 5:55 PM  

I am sure most are unaware that the latest news to come out of Syria, is that Assad is now "phosphorus bombing" (again) Syrian citizens as per The Revolution Syria/Kafranbel English, which are one and the same by different names, and are another western funded operation.

bitsy.in/CC0EF0

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 10, 2017 5:59 PM  

Meanwhile in the Rio Grande valley of Texas it is unusually quiet as immivasion crossings are the lowest in 17 years. How can that be, with Trumphfh so totally focused on his invasion of Syria? How can it be?

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis April 10, 2017 6:06 PM  

It is a misapprehension that NK can turn Seoul SK into a "sea of fire" with artillery. The reason is that Seoul is 35 miles from the border between NK and SK. The NK artillery is not on the border itself but at at various distances behind the border.

Only a few hundred NK artillery tubes have the range to hit Seoul, and they have to use rocket assisted shells to get that range. Only they start firing they will be subject to counter battery fire. Most of them will not survive 24 hours.

NK does have several hundred missiles that can hit Seoul, most are the "Scud" type missile. And the Norks will have to choose -- fire them at Seoul or fire them at military targets.

If the US takes out the NK nuclear facilities and launchpads, the Norks will have to decide how to respond. Unloading their artillery on the DMZ is possible. The SK and the US troops already there are prepared and trained for this, and will respond.

It will be interesting.

Blogger Elder Son April 10, 2017 6:07 PM  

@109 B/C Elohimf Emperorf Trumpf is personally standing on the border keeping watch?

Which has to do with what, globocopping in Syria, N. Korea, and NATO'ing more on Russia?

Anonymous Grayman April 10, 2017 6:08 PM  

@108

I am sure most are unaware that the latest news to come out of Syria, is that Assad is now "phosphorus bombing" (again) Syrian citizens as per The Revolution Syria/Kafranbel English, which are one and the same by different names, and are another western funded operation.

So what? Even if it is accurate, I don't recall the US invading Israel to "save the children" in 2009 when Israel was using white phosphorus in Gaza....

If you'd like some good gore photos, google the 2009 use of white phosphorus in gaza.

Anonymous Grayman April 10, 2017 6:09 PM  

White phosphorous over Gaza, the lights are so pretty...

(No gore)
https://syrianetwork.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/the-impact-of-white-phosphorous-1.jpg

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 10, 2017 6:12 PM  

@111 Elder Son
@109 B/C Elohimf Emperorf Trumpf is personally standing on the border keeping watch?

Surely!

Which has to do with what, globocopping in Syria, N. Korea, and NATO'ing more on Russia?

Obviously it displays his magnificent puissance, because he accomplishes all this despite bedwetting Soros bankrolled shills and cucks all over the place.

Anonymous Grayman April 10, 2017 6:16 PM  

Bomb Israel!!!!!


Israel's military fired white phosphorus over crowded areas of Gaza repeatedly and indiscriminately in its three-week war, killing and injuring civilians and committing war crimes, Human Rights Watch said today.

In a 71-page report, the rights group said the repeated use of air-burst white phosphorus artillery shells in populated areas of Gaza was not incidental or accidental, but revealed "a pattern or policy of conduct".


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/25/israel-white-phosphorus-gaza

Blogger Elder Son April 10, 2017 6:22 PM  

@110 The North can fire 500,000 rounds of artillery on Seoul in the first hour of a conflict.

It is estimated that it would take US/NATO forces 5 days to silence 13,000 arty pieces. But, this doesn't include a real-world scenario. It is a guess. Yes, some would be rocket propelled. Others not. And this does not factor in the North's Mobile Missiles.

Whether it is hundreds of thousands, or millions dead and injured, do you want to be in Soul ITSF's?

Blogger Elder Son April 10, 2017 6:28 PM  

@114 says: Obviously it displays his magnificent puissance, because he accomplishes all this despite bedwetting Soros bankrolled shills and cucks all over the place.

What? Hell, Obama could have accomplished that, if he wanted to, while giving Mooshelle a BJ. Big deal. BTW, I am glad, if the reports are true, that the border crossing has come to a trickle. So?

Blogger Elder Son April 10, 2017 6:30 PM  

@112 This should have been a clue: ...which are one and the same by different names, and are another western funded operation.

Ditto on Israel.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents April 10, 2017 6:34 PM  

@117 Elder Son
What? Hell, Obama could have accomplished that, if he wanted to, while giving Mooshelle a BJ.

Not. Because of a conspicuous lack of puissance on the part of Gay Mulatto.

Big deal. BTW, I am glad, if the reports are true, that the border crossing has come to a trickle. So?

So obviously it displays Trump's magnificent puissance, because he accomplishes all this plus more, despite the chorus of bedwetting Soros bankrolled shills and cucks all over the place who keep wailing "Nuclear war! The sky is falling! Syrian invasion! The sky is falling".

Anonymous Azimus April 10, 2017 6:42 PM  

OK so anything could happen. I'm no more an expert on Norks than anyone here, less so maybe. But... I still like to guess!

OK so my fantasy/guess is early some morning there's a lightning US air strike of about 100 sorties to knock out Kim and as much communication as possible, missile stuff too probably. Before most of the DPRK wakes up the following day, Pyongyang has a Chinese MP on every street corner, and there are trucks full of bread and clothes filling Nork bellies for the first time in what - 70 years? US marines do same thing on the northeast coastal cities, maybe ROK guys do same thing on west coast.

These would have to be some pretty elite PRC troops to pull that off though. That's my 2017 "Newer, Gentler Invasion" guess.

Blogger Ingot9455 April 10, 2017 6:43 PM  

Ah, the old 'smoke bombs are white phosphorus bombs' gag. Always a hit at parties.

Anonymous Azimus April 10, 2017 6:45 PM  

84. Jeff April 10, 2017 4:10 PM
The Wall would be cool, but if the God Emperor could pull off Korean unification, He would go down in history as the greatest President of all time.


Since DPRK has basically a religion based on the dictator, and a people 100% steeped in fanaticism 24/7, I am guessing it will take a major occupation force 30 years to prepare the Nork people for unification. Maybe in the villages this isn't the case, but I have to guess in the urban centers there is a lot of deprogramming that is going to need to be done. Trump and Jinping could start it, but Barron Trump will be a silverhair VIP at the final unification ceremony. IMHO.

Blogger VD April 10, 2017 6:53 PM  

No thanks Vox, I believe in thinking for myself.

Then you're stupid. Thinking for yourself does you no good whatsoever when you don't even understand the issues involved or what is going on.

Anonymous WaterBoy April 10, 2017 6:57 PM  

@104 @106

Missing the point. It doesn't matter in the context of Mattis' statement whether Assad is responsible or not; it only matters that Trump believes he is. And now the administration has painted itself into a corner of committing to additional action if it happens again and appears as if Syrian forces are culpable.

Or, you know, False Flag 2: The Escalationing

Blogger Bobo #117 April 10, 2017 7:02 PM  

Go back to molesting the cat, Donnie.

Anonymous CoolHand April 10, 2017 7:08 PM  

I love how every adversarial military is taken at their press release's word for their destructive capabilities while the actual real world known capabilities of the US military are discounted, because NeoCons or MIC or something.

Newsflash for you, Mr Professional Internet Howler Monkey, the chances of those 13k Nork artillery pieces A) existing, and B) being capable of delivering half a million rounds on targets 35+ miles away in an hour is effectively zero.

The current US M777 only has a maximum range of ~25miles, and that's using those black magic Excalibur rounds.

See, I'm old enough to remember when the T72 was supposed to be this world beating main battle tank that would be on-par with the Abrams in every way and really give the US heartburn if ever they met in battle.

Then the first Gulf War happened and it turned out that the only thing the T72 could do with its big gun was scratch the paint on the Abrams, and its main tactic in the field was to explode like a sparkler bomb any time an Abrams got a look at one.

I ain't sayin' that there ain't no arty there, but I AM sayin' that you might want to take their press releases with a grain of salt.

'Course, that'd impede your main aim here, which is to run around with your hair on fire spewing blackpill bullshit while your vag dribbles sand all over the carpet.

Blogger Deadmau5 Patton April 10, 2017 7:16 PM  

@123 Vox Day "Then you're stupid. Thinking for yourself does you no good whatsoever when you don't even understand the issues involved or what is going on."

Can confirm. More than anything, I'm present here now more than ever to learn from the those who know far more than me.

Anonymous MawBTS April 10, 2017 7:19 PM  

China doesn't want North Korea to fall! The second that happens, they'll have millions of impoverished refugees flooding into Jilin province. Already the local economy is depressed by NK citizens who bribe their way past the border guards.

You know how you have to be vary careful during bowel surgery because if your scalpel nicks the lining of the stomach wall, bacteria floods into the bloodstream and the patient dies of peritonitis? That's China's approach to the NK situation. Something obviously has to be done, but the cure will be so painful that they're kicking the can down the alley.

Since DPRK has basically a religion based on the dictator, and a people 100% steeped in fanaticism 24/7, I am guessing it will take a major occupation force 30 years to prepare the Nork people for unification.

Imperial Japan didn't need thirty years.

Anonymous Kim Yong Un April 10, 2017 7:25 PM  

I feel so ronery.

Anonymous Patron April 10, 2017 7:38 PM  

Regarding Syria, just saw a fun little question on YouGov:

The Syrian government has been accused of using chemical weapons to kill civilians in the town of Khan Sheikhoun. If such claims turn out to be true, what do you think is the most appropriate response?

1. To invade Syria and remove the Syrian government from power (12%)
2. To attempt to bomb those in the Syrian government directly responsible for the attack (6%)
3. Increase support for Western-backed rebels fighting against the government, but not get directly involved (17%)
4. Don't do anything more than we are already doing (22%)
5. Something else (10%)
6. Not sure (33%)

= = =

I mean, it's reassuring to see the lack of support for invasion, but the options seem just a little lop-sided to me :P ...

Blogger Lazarus April 10, 2017 7:41 PM  

WaterBoy wrote:Missing the point. It doesn't matter in the context of Mattis' statement whether Assad is responsible or not; it only matters that Trump believes he is

I know. That could be the most disappointing part. If it turns out it was American proxies, or worse, an American operation, will those responsible be held to account? Surely Trump has heard the term "false flag". If the people he relies on for intelligence are corrupt, he is fucked.

Blogger Shane Sullivan April 10, 2017 7:41 PM  

@128 Good point. It took MacArthur and his occupation force 4 years to change Japan into a constitutional monarchy w/parliament from a feudal military dictatorship.

Anonymous Alice De Goon April 10, 2017 7:44 PM  

@46 It'd probably be worse for the South - Norks than it was for the two Germanies. The cult of the Kims has been so pervasive, the deliberate isolation from the rest of the world so intense, and the "punish three generations" so Draconian that most North Koreans may be insane by the standards of anyone else. Re-unifying with distant cousins who happen to be batshit crazy would be one heck of a task.

North Korea is basically Jonestown: the Country at this point. Whoever goes in there to straighten it out had best be prepared for anything.

Blogger Lazarus April 10, 2017 7:45 PM  

Patron wrote:I mean, it's reassuring to see the lack of support for invasion, but the options seem just a little lop-sided to me

They sure are. The tepid response means there is almost zero sentiment for intervention in Syria amongst Americans. A poll on ZH a while ago showed that the Norks were more of a worry to the population than Assad.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 10, 2017 7:49 PM  

@127

On top of that it's hard to take someone intellectually seriously when they say no thank you to some one advocating wait and see.

Anonymous Eric the Red April 10, 2017 8:01 PM  

OT, but meanwhile over on Breitbart, in their comments section they no longer allow terms such as "dindu" or "mohammedan".

They give you a friendly little message:
'Hold on, this is waiting to be approved by Breitbart News Network.'
Then after a suitable time period has elapsed, they always nuke the comment.

My God, has it gotten this bad that even Breitbart is pc'd? So the conclusion is that SJW entryism has occured, and it will be fully converged sooner or later.

Anonymous Eric the Red April 10, 2017 8:08 PM  

@136
Correction:
A little more research has revealed that the verboten word is 'moslem', not 'mohammedan'.

Whew! And I thought they had been converged... silly me.

Anonymous Grinder April 10, 2017 8:08 PM  

God Emperor still? And you call others LARPers? I guess you must have sunk some coin in Trump Emperor shirts and assorted crap to peddle. You can go ahead and be the last kid on the block to find out we were had by Trump the liar. I supported him because he was at least a chance of being good. No more after that gassed children speech. What will Trump need to do to lose your support? How about this economic advisor pick?

Blogger Achilles April 10, 2017 8:14 PM  

Where can I order my Make Korea Great Again hat? #MKGA

I'm fine with Trump bombing the hell out of every hellhole on the globe as long as he fulfills campaign promises.

+1 for ending TPP
+1* for filling Scalia's seat.

-1 for playing world police


We are wait and see on the wall, deportations**, taxes, healthcare, trade, jobs. Probably missing some stuff. As long as he doesn't put major boots on the ground he could come out looking good. Reuniting Korea would be historical but I'm not sure it alone gets him re-elected. He needs major domestic victories.

* Only time will tell if Gorsuch is a good pick.
** Deportations are only meaningful if we can keep them out.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass April 10, 2017 8:15 PM  

Had a nice comment and screwed it up.

@38 If a nuke gets lobbed at Hawaii, at least defensively speaking, we're screwed. You have to hit the damn things in the launch or boost phase. ALL of our anti ICBM tests have not included tumbling which happens at the terminal phase. As a result our SMs are dead on accurate, in situations that nowhere resemble the real world.

Anonymous Katt Brenner April 10, 2017 8:15 PM  

Ya, this doesn't justify or explain why to bomb Syria.
Sometimes, actions explain themselves. The US govt has been overthrowing secular Arab nationalist governments in the Mideast for decades, and this is Trump continuing that policy.
That's the Occam's razor explanation.

Anonymous Mathias April 10, 2017 8:22 PM  

@141

Explanations are about why, not what. Your post is a giant non-sequitur vis-a-vis Occam's Razor.

Blogger VD April 10, 2017 8:26 PM  

You can go ahead and be the last kid on the block to find out we were had by Trump the liar. I supported him because he was at least a chance of being good. No more after that gassed children speech.

Duly noted. Now remember, no coming back and pretending to be a supporter of the God-Emperor, Grinder. You're off the Trump Train.

Blogger DonReynolds April 10, 2017 8:26 PM  

It may mean nothing or it may be only a coincidence, but I have not seen any mention of it in the news media lately....but as of yesterday, I found out that several of the local Wal-Mart employees were re-called to military service and they were told they were headed for Syria. They all appear to be Iraq and Afghanistan veterans of the US Army, some with multiple tours in combat. A clerical coincidence perhaps, but it is not something the military does lightly.

I contacted my oldest son in Okinawa last night and asked him if he had heard anything on his end. He said no one had contacted him, but he completed his inactive reserve obligation two months ago and would not normally be contacted.

Has anyone else noticed any sort of call-up of prior service reservists?

Anonymous Mathais April 10, 2017 8:32 PM  

@144,

The military doesnt take it lightly, but its not unusual, you have to rotate out service personell every once in a while, and one of the major complaints from the Bush/Obama administrations is that they kept on soldiers in active duty till they broke. I imagine that Trump is working his way thru a backlog of badly needed replacements.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 10, 2017 8:47 PM  

And now the administration has painted itself into a corner of committing to additional action if it happens again and appears as if Syrian forces are culpable.

Totally false Waterboy. When has Trump ever found himself painted in a corner based on past decisions?

"President Trump, Assad did something bad again!"

Trump: Oh well! That dumb missile strike last time was a total failure. Bad advice! Totally stupid neocons.

Blogger DonReynolds April 10, 2017 8:48 PM  

Vox is right, of course.
The first casualty in any war is the truth.
Churchill once wrote that during wartime, the truth is so precious that it must be protected by a "bodyguard of lies".....in fact, there is a terrific book by that title.

WE mere mortals may never be privy to the discussions being held non-stop around President Trump, regarding the situation in Syria.
We already placed our bets during the last election, we should at least wait to see what cards we get.

As I have said many times in the last two years, it does not matter whether Trump keeps some of his promises, or none of his promises, we are no worse off than we were under Obama for eight years.

In 2020, maybe our opinion on the subject will matter, but in the meantime, we are nothing more than the cheering section. (Smile)

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky April 10, 2017 8:55 PM  

Don, we are already in Syria and have been for a while. We have 5000 troops there according to a report I saw a while back. Recently they quietly announced they were upping it by 500 more. These guys may be a part of that or a rotation.

Yesterday, too, it was reported that ISIS hit a US base in Syria. In the comments people were amazed we had one. Wasn't it "no boots on the ground" always from Obama? That's media cover for you. All Trump has to do is look at a map and people are running around shrieking about immanent neocon invasion apocalypse for sure.

Blogger Brandon April 10, 2017 9:19 PM  

"This doesn't mean I'm correct. It doesn't mean that the God-Emperor isn't sending 150,000 troops to Syria in order to attack Russia, Iran, and the Assad regime there. But it does demonstrate why it's probably best to keep your eyes open and your mouth shut when the God-Emperor does something you don't understand."

Yup. You better give it 4 weeks or so before commenting. The God Emperor is playing 4-D Chess vs MSM/Idiot Checkers. Always looks like he lost from the first play, then check-mate from the loathsomely redolent of spheres and dimensions apart from their incestial SJW knowledge base.

All your base are belong to us. And yuck, we have to burn it in the trash pile.

Blogger DonReynolds April 10, 2017 9:20 PM  

@130 Patron
You reminded me of something that could be useful.
The Oxford Union debating society in 1933 posed the question whether young people should ever again (in no circumstances) fight a war for King and Country...which was adopted by a vote of 275 to 153. This became known as the Oxford Pledge and was similarly adopted at Glasgow and Manchester.

Less than six years later, when Britain declared war on Germany, 2,632 Oxford undergraduates under the age of 25 volunteered for military service, out of a population of only 3,000. These were the young people who fought the Battle of Britain.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 10, 2017 9:23 PM  

And Spicer stated that the use of barrel bombs might be another red line.
We shall see.

Blogger Lazarus April 10, 2017 9:31 PM  

a deplorable rubberducky wrote:Don, we are already in Syria and have been for a while. We have 5000 troops there according to a report I saw a while back. Recently they quietly announced they were upping it by 500 more. These guys may be a part of that or a rotation.



Not only that, in a short while the US will have 4 operational airbases in Syrian territory that will allow them to put more air support in Syrian airspace than the Russians have capability for.

MSM is a totally useless distraction.

Anonymous Katt Brenner April 10, 2017 9:31 PM  

@142 Vox and some others have the vivid imagination necessary for authors. To explain Trump's attack on and propaganda against Syria requires no imagination. The explanation is as plain as day:
Trump is continuing the policy of Bush Sr, Clinton, W Bush, and Obama of overthrowing secular Arab governments. He played the America First crowd like dolts. I voted for him, but never really trusted him.
Eventually, Vox will see the light too.

Anonymous WinstonWebb April 10, 2017 9:37 PM  

I see the paid shills have a new talking point. How long has that one been at the top of the list and what is it paying per post?

Blogger Student in Blue April 10, 2017 9:37 PM  

Yes, we're totally believing your concern, random commenters.

Why are you so insistent on getting people to stop believing in Trump, anyway? It's not going to change a damn thing for the next 3 years minimum, so why waste the time now?

Maybe, oh just maybe, they're bought and paid for? Rhetorical question, of course. Even if they're not literally bought and paid for, they are certainly spiritually bought and paid for by our enemies.

Blogger Brandon April 10, 2017 9:38 PM  

"I am a herald and ambassador and may not be assailed!" Mouth of Jihadi

"Sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers! I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends, and break all bonds of fellowship; but it is not this day! An hour of wolves, and shattered shields, when the Age of Men comes crashing down; but it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!"

Game over.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 10, 2017 9:40 PM  

I voted for Trump too. Trusted him? No. I concluded that he gave us a smaller chance of a stupid war with Russia. Not stupid. No, suicidal. That probabilitt has gone up, maybe to Hillary's level.
We shall see.

Anonymous Katt Brenner April 10, 2017 9:47 PM  

@11 Spicer stated that the goal is to "de-stabilize" Syria.
The reason to propagandize against a foreign leader is to gin up public support for war.
The new (old) refrain will be "this intervention puts America First"

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky April 10, 2017 9:48 PM  

Trump never ran on a policy of non-intervention in Syria. He repeatedly mentioned "bombing the hell out ISIS." Also, he repeatedly mentioned setting up a safe zone in Syria.

Now that is something to keep in mind here. The safe zone thing always seemed a terrible and dicey proposition to me. That's the kind of solution you impose on a place that's driven by external politics. Bad idea.

Is Trump mucking around with the feasibility of this? I hope he abandons it. Can't see how it is anything but trouble.

Blogger Brandon April 10, 2017 9:57 PM  

When everything plays out, I suspect most will conveniently forget their speculation of the day then move on to their next speculation(s).

Anonymous Andrew Anglin April 10, 2017 9:59 PM  

other than posture, Trump isn't going to do shit about the Norks. Know Y? Norks got nukes. Nukes which threaten America...but not Israel. All the rest follows.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 10, 2017 10:00 PM  

@99 Mathias

As far as I'm concerned, the Trump admin is still, at this moment in time, an absolute gain for our interests as long as the Shadowplay in Syria remains a Shadowplay.
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Really, even if there is neoconnery in syria, it's still a gain for us.

TPP is dead.
Gorsuch on SC.
Pedos being rounded up.

When the Syria strike happened I was negative about it mostly on Gab, but by the next morning I figured I don't really know wth is going on there so will wait and see.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros April 10, 2017 10:07 PM  

> a sizable fraction of Trump's voting base supports the Syrian air strike
> Trump used rhetoric that his voting base ate up like it was candy
> only possibility is that he has gone full shill

No.

Remember that Trump speaks at a fifth-grade level because most of his voters don't actually have a fully nuanced understanding of what's going on, and they never will. It is impossible.

Trump is not going to publically say "We don't know if Assad did the gas, but we sent some missiles to prove to China that we keep our promises so they know we have their back against the Norks."

Trump is not going to publically say "We sent some missiles in preparation for ground war because we need to destabilize the Middle East so that Israel can safely expand further without stirring up organized resistance from the angry Arab hive."

Trump is going to publically talk about the poor babies. A populist leader of a democratic empire must please the crowd.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 10, 2017 10:07 PM  

When everything plays out, I suspect most will conveniently forget their speculation of the day then move on to their next speculation(s).

Some have had a lot of practice with that, having conveniently forgotten their predictions that Trump would drop out of the race when it got tough, that he was too loose a cannon to compete in the debates, that he would drop out of the race some more later, that he was a liberal who would betray us on the Supreme Court, that he was going to make Christie his running mate, that Romney would be his Sec. of State, that he wouldn't do anything on immigration.... And those are just a few quick highlights off the top of my head. It's been one forgotten certainty after another.

Blogger Brandon April 10, 2017 10:08 PM  

Their Nukes would only threaten their "neighbors". Not Israel, not USA even Hawaii.

Embrace your triggers, sure, but then give the God Emperor a week or two before posting your fears of what is and what will never be.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 10, 2017 10:10 PM  

@153

Sure you voted for Trump big guy, sure you did. You totally aren't a paid shill doing the "hello there fellow Trump voter."

I mean please continue, it won't fool anyone here but it's good to see the money being even more of a waste than normal.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 10, 2017 10:12 PM  

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Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 10, 2017 10:13 PM  

@163

Thus spaketh the midwits failing to realize that the people smarter than him already know the reason why Trump speaks at the level he does.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros April 10, 2017 10:16 PM  

@168 Of course, but the National Antisocialists haven't worked through all the implications yet.

Blogger Brandon April 10, 2017 10:17 PM  

@163. "Remember that Trump speaks at a fifth-grade level because most of his voters don't actually have a fully nuanced understanding of what's going on, and they never will. It is impossible."

That is a bit trollish, no? From my recent experience 'Trumpsters', are at least at high skool level while the Hillary butter klingers (cringe) are crying like un-aborted water babies.

Hopefully they remember to thank their mothers for not aborting them.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 10, 2017 10:18 PM  

@129 Kim Yong Un
I feel so ronery.
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Can't believe it hasn't been linked yet
https://youtu.be/UEaKX9YYHiQ

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros April 10, 2017 10:25 PM  

@170 No, not to say Trump voters are as smart as fifth-graders; populists must dumb down their rhetoric to make it simpler, so that it is more emotionally persuasive.

But yes, I shudder to imagine how Trump would have to talk to convert Hillary voters.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 10, 2017 10:30 PM  

@147 DonReynolds

We already placed our bets during the last election, we should at least wait to see what cards we get.
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Yes, and the Cucks crying about abandoning Trump are stupid. If we abandon Trump, then the neocons will certainly get control of him.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 10, 2017 10:35 PM  

@153 Katt Brenner
@142 Vox and some others have the vivid imagination necessary for authors. To explain Trump's attack on and propaganda against Syria requires no imagination. The explanation is as plain as day:
Trump is continuing the policy of Bush Sr, Clinton, W Bush, and Obama of overthrowing secular Arab governments. He played the America First crowd like dolts. I voted for him, but never really trusted him.
Eventually, Vox will see the light too.
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I'm envisioning a barrel bomb. Except, instead of explosives or chemicals, it is filled with a cuck. Who is pushed out of a magic copter.

Blogger Lola Falana April 10, 2017 10:45 PM  

Troops is not the same thing as soldiers --a troop = 4 or 5 platoons. A platoon = 2-4 squads. A squad = 8 or 14 soldiers. So with a platoon of about 50 soldiers, a troop would be 200-250 soldiers.

China did not send 37 million soldiers to the NK border.

So put aside the fact that whoever is saying Trump wants to send 150,000 troops (or 37 million soldiers) to Syria doesn't know that such a claim is wrong on its face. Anyone who thinks the US Congress is granting an AUMF to send 150,000 soldiers to Syria, even if Assad personally comes to the USA and blows up the statue of liberty, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 10, 2017 10:48 PM  

@174, Cucks would make terrible bomb payloads. They're far too soft to do any damage, especially their heads.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 10, 2017 10:51 PM  

@175

No......they are using troops as a colloquialism.

Blogger Brandon April 10, 2017 10:53 PM  

@159.

"Trump never ran on a policy of non-intervention in Syria. He repeatedly mentioned "bombing the hell out ISIS." Also, he repeatedly mentioned setting up a safe zone in Syria."

Yup. I am on the fence on this but not second guessing the God Emperors 4-D chess move here. Going by history, it is best to let his move play out so you don't end up looking like an idiot. History is on his side so far.

Blogger Javier April 10, 2017 10:58 PM  

The presidency has been kiked, left and right. I understand VD grasping for hope, but all signs show that we were kiked big league. If he starts a war in 2 fronts, you can't call that inter galactic space bending chess, that is just fucking stupid. Trumps kids are all saying how bad putin is, kushner through Ivanka is doing Israels bidding. I afraid this was the plan all along, we haven't seen further escalation but I don't think the war machine will stop. White troops should stand down and let the shit skins die for the jew in chief

Anonymous skeptic April 10, 2017 11:01 PM  

the cult of personality around Trump has intensified to the point where a rational discussion of his decisions is no longer possible

any criticism of Trump is met with aghast statements of "Well! Then you're off the train," or "You're not smart enough to understand 5D chess!"

meanwhile he's appointing pro-amnesty advisers, is being praised by Bill Kristol, and I'm expected to keep blind faith.

Blogger Brandon April 10, 2017 11:08 PM  

@172 "No, not to say Trump voters are as smart as fifth-graders; populists must dumb down their rhetoric to make it simpler, so that it is more emotionally persuasive.

But yes, I shudder to imagine how Trump would have to talk to convert Hillary voters."

Easy:

"Kill your babies, kill em all if inconvenient. The ones that get through the killing floor, pizza!"

Except, the God Emperor loves all of God's children. You may think he is lying, but he and Jefferson Beauregard Sessions are protecting the innocent. Pizza party is over.

Blogger marknivenczy April 10, 2017 11:11 PM  

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/opinion/getting-rid-of-north-koreas-dictator-with-chinas-help.html?mabReward=A3&recp=1&moduleDetail=recommendations-1&action=click&contentCollection=U.S.&region=Footer&module=WhatsNext&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&src=recg&pgtype=article

Getting Rid of North Korea’s Dictator, With China’s Help

Blogger Lazarus April 10, 2017 11:13 PM  

a deplorable rubberducky wrote:Trump never ran on a policy of non-intervention in Syria. He repeatedly mentioned "bombing the hell out ISIS." Also, he repeatedly mentioned setting up a safe zone in Syria.

Ostensibly, the 4 new airbases in syria are positioned to bomb the hell out of Isis in Raqqa. But who knows after that.

Differrent safe zones protected by larger players is a good idea. Removes the need for refugees to go to other countries.

Blogger Brandon April 10, 2017 11:17 PM  

181. marknivenczy

That NYT article is so full of shit. They playing all sides hoping they get it right somewhere. NYT <3 BBC.

Blogger Brandon April 10, 2017 11:27 PM  

@182. Lazarus
Trump never ran on a policy of non-intervention in Syria. He repeatedly mentioned "bombing the hell out ISIS." Also, he repeatedly mentioned setting up a safe zone in Syria.

Ostensibly, the 4 new airbases in syria are positioned to bomb the hell out of Isis in Raqqa. But who knows after that."

Nobody taking out Raqqaa but but us bombing the way for the Kurds.

Kurds: the best non-Christian people ever.

WTF we not putting these folks in charge? Oh.....

Blogger SteelPalm April 10, 2017 11:30 PM  

I was talking to a friend who is an engineer working on a military base. While she is quite moderate and not particularly invested into politics (although she did vote for Trump), she had a much saner, more rational attitude than most commentators on the right-wing.

As she noted, there is a wealth of information and considerations the higher-ups are privy to (nevermind the President himself) that ordinary civilians are utterly clueless about.

Thus, when a situation is still murky, it behooves one to withhold a strong, definitive judgment, especially with a leader one trusts, who has a good track record.

Yes yes, Trump claimed it was because of the children killed by a chemical attack.

So what? Leaders, including good ones, use false pretexts all the time. Trump would be a fool not to. And if there is one thing we have learned, it's that the God Emperor is damn smart.

So yes, I was disappointed at the time too, but am still completely in support of Trump. Let's wait and see before writhing into hysteria and panic.

Blogger SteelPalm April 10, 2017 11:33 PM  

@184 Kurds: the best non-Christian people ever.

Yeah, about that. Here is a fine piece from Castalia House author, Colonel Tom Kratman on that subject;

http://www.everyjoe.com/2016/02/01/politics/our-gallant-allies-the-kurds-other-fairy-tales/#1

Kurds: Shitty, genocidal Muslims who are more cowardly, incompetent, and thus less successful than the Shiites and Sunnis in conquering infidels. Thus, they suck up to infidels, instead.

Anonymous skeptic April 10, 2017 11:37 PM  

"As she noted, there is a wealth of information and considerations the higher-ups are privy to (nevermind the President himself) that ordinary civilians are utterly clueless about.

Thus, when a situation is still murky, it behooves one to withhold a strong, definitive judgment."


We can't have blind faith given the history of lies from the military industrial complex (Gulf of Tonkin, WMD in Iraq, etc etc etc)

Blogger SteelPalm April 11, 2017 12:08 AM  

@187

"Blind faith" is different from "let's not condemn the God-Emperor just yet". Although yes, I have more faith in Trump than I did GW Bush or would have had in LBJ (one of the worst Presidents ever, very possibly worse than Obama) were I around back then.

Blogger Thurston Pilgrim April 11, 2017 12:09 AM  

OT... sorry to interrupt the discussion of international affairs, but we are in some serious trouble...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swv-MTn96uY

Blogger Shane Sullivan April 11, 2017 12:31 AM  

@189 I bet they're fun to fool around with until they knock you up with a mulatto baby and magically disappear.

Blogger chrylis April 11, 2017 12:31 AM  

A bit of fridge logic on this one:

It's CW at this point that China has a massive surplus of young men that it needs to either sublimate or find women for, and aggressive war is an approach that has potential for both outcomes at once. While it's possible that just invading NK might serve as a pressure-relief for a bit, I'm wondering whether China is planning to use the invasion as a way to get troops some real-but-easy-mode combat training a la the Condor Legion.

Anonymous RobertL April 11, 2017 12:35 AM  

Meanwhile, in Mosul, IS is reported to have used Chlorine gas.

Seems popular.

Blogger Deadmau5 Patton April 11, 2017 12:55 AM  

@192 RobertL, this is perfect because we're gonna bomb Mosul now in order to get Thailand to help us restart the Vietnam war.



Anonymous Crew April 11, 2017 1:10 AM  

There are reports that the news of 150,000 troops moving up to the NK border are Fake News:

http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/10/dod-media-reports-of-150000-troops-moving-on-the-korean-border-are-pure-fiction/

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 11, 2017 1:10 AM  

@191
It's CW at this point that China has a massive surplus of young men

Who come from one-child families. The nickname is "Little emperors". It's not 1950 anymore, the PRC isn't going to burn up men in human wave attacks. That risks the Party's Mandate of Heaven. We can't know what they will do, but the brief war with Vietnam back in the late 70's is suggestive.

Blogger VD April 11, 2017 1:28 AM  

other than posture, Trump isn't going to do shit about the Norks. Know Y? Norks got nukes. Nukes which threaten America...but not Israel. All the rest follows.

You've made your prediction. I've made mine. We'll see who is right soon enough.

Blogger CYPHER April 11, 2017 1:44 AM  

Negative. Our tier 1 assets grab the nukes.

Anonymous Rambam April 11, 2017 2:00 AM  

Damn it! Switzerland is the problem. Nuke Switzerland. Everybody starts over even.

Anonymous Mathias April 11, 2017 2:00 AM  

@190,

You can sniff the poop, but it's best not to touch.

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