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Tuesday, August 01, 2017

The death of pop culture

They rejected Christendom, they rejected America, and they rejected reality. Now the cultural parasites have literally nothing left:
Modern pop culture is running on fumes, and its about to strand its passengers in the desert.

But the final straw for me, and it appears for many others, was the reveal of Ready Player One directed by an over the hill Steven Spielberg.

I think the best sum up of the reaction might have been this one. The pop culture atmosphere the original book was released in is much different than it is now. It's amazing how fast the climate has changed.

What the criticism boils down to is that nerd culture is really, really embarrassing, and that this generation is starting to realize why. It's the realization that we are little more than grown manchildren refusing to be adults. Our grandparents are gone, and no one is willing to step up to bat for them which leaves the Millennials and Gen X to make up for it. This is really about the growing self-awareness that "nerd blackface" (as a friend of mine puts is) has finally hit the wall.

This has little to do with liking geeky things. It was never about that. A lot of men like geeky movies, comics, and games, but those things are not their whole world. They have families, responsibilities, friends, and hopes for the future. Their entire world is not crying into their pillow about how much they miss the 1980s and their long gone youth. While this book might have been relevant to the zeitgeist when it came out, a lot has changed since 2011 and mindless wallowing in pop culture references have finally started to lose their luster.

People don't want to hide in their man-caves and be talked down to anymore, and constantly reassured that their childhood is where they should stay. It was a nice, comfortable place to be.

But childhood is over. Star Wars movies ended in 1983. Chris Claremont doesn't write X-Men anymore. Kurt Cobain is dead, and so is radio rock. Dr. Who has been treading water creatively since its reboot. These properties have had their stories were told. Now it is time for new franchises and new stories and for the baggage to be left behind. It's time to stop pining for a childhood that is over.

Which brings us to the bigger point. What comes next?

This is where we realize we are standing in muddy waters.

As Razorfist pointed out above, there's always a new trend coming along to replace the old one. It's the way of the beast. But it's different now. The industry has been working overtime to destroy legacy genres and franchises. They've been forcing PC doctrine into every script to make every set of characters interchangeable and every tired plot beat the same. It's not the same as it once was.

If superhero movies do end, then what replaces them? There is no pleasant answer to this, but there's only really one .

The answer, is nothing.
What replaces Pop Culture is Alt Culture. What replaces the Superhero is Alt Hero. Winter is coming and the wolves are howling. And it's coming much sooner than you think.

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Anonymous c matt August 01, 2017 2:34 PM  

Isn't the Alt-Hero basically what every dystopia flick is about? Dystopia flicks sure are popular.

Blogger Andrew Taylor August 01, 2017 2:35 PM  

Thank God. When the programmers cease making media, creation returns to the hand of the artist.

Blogger praetorian August 01, 2017 2:43 PM  

The answer, is nothing.

Dostoyevsky or Nietzsche.

Those are your choices, kids. Enjoy.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer August 01, 2017 2:45 PM  

c matt wrote:Isn't the Alt-Hero basically what every dystopia flick is about? Dystopia flicks sure are popular.

Alt-Hero inspires hope for the future. Most of the dystopia ficks are steeped in Nihilism.

Anonymous BluePony August 01, 2017 2:45 PM  

I used to be deep in the nerd/geek sphere until I escaped to become a recovering ex-geek. And, yes, we're as bad as ex-smokers who want to see smokers shot, but with far more justification. Every little twerp in the nerdosphere needs to be bitch slapped as hard as possible until they realize they are NOT the smartest kid in the room and they do NOT actually effing love actual science.

Here in enemy occupied California, we like to say North Korea nuking Sacramento would be cause for celebration given the right winds. I always like to offer up Silicon Valley as a secondary target. I think we can live without 175 new chat and photo sharing apps every week for a few years.

People (even non-geeks) still liking that Star Wars and Star Trek, though. I don't get it. And whatever Ridley Scott is doing to the Aliens franchise should be outlawed.

About the only franchise worth anything, IMHO, is probably Guardians Of The Galaxy. It's fun and colorful, mostly takes place very far from idiotic Earth, no superheroes, and does not take itself seriously at all. Pure space opera. Hell, only two characters are from Earth, and one is an uplifted raccoon.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora August 01, 2017 2:46 PM  

I read that book. It had cringe inducing dialogue, virtue signalling, a plot that was essentially one contrivance after another, and an endless series of forced 80's references. Not sure if the movie will be able to salvage much from it. The only thing going right now that constantly references the 80's without being stale is synthwave. It manages to combine retro and futuristic aesthetics really well.

Blogger praetorian August 01, 2017 2:47 PM  

OT: The SJWs got Jordan Peterson

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/892432199303213056

It's go time, buckos.

Blogger Matthew Funk August 01, 2017 2:47 PM  

I'm just going to leave this here.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( more Natural Born Kekistani than if my mother was a native of Moorhead MN and my father came from Cockram Mill VA ... so to speak ) August 01, 2017 2:51 PM  

VD
And it's coming much sooner than you think



https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2017/08/01/maritime-supremacy/


we have achieved Flexibility Supremacy.


“This is designed to give the ship flexibility because there aren’t any berthing areas that are dedicated to one sex or the other"

Anonymous c matt August 01, 2017 2:52 PM  

Alt-Hero inspires hope for the future. Most of the dystopia ficks are steeped in Nihilism.

A not insignificant number of them end in hope for the future rebuilding of society, or at least something that alters a previously nihilistic timeline (e.g, Terminator).

Blogger Ingot9455 August 01, 2017 2:54 PM  

@6 I might disagree. While the dialogue was cringe-inducing, it was understandable given the age of the protagonists.

And one thing I noticed was that several of the plot points made a very powerful particular sense even though the book did not explain them properly.

For example, there is a point where the Bad Guy gets way ahead of Our Heroes... and then hits a brick wall. The brick wall is that, like faith and hope and charity, it takes three to get past the brick wall, which is the last big brick wall in the runup to the big finish. (Our Heroes figure it out a little faster.)

It's never said aloud, but in terms of game design, it is obvious that the game designer put in a roadblock that required that at least three competent players would be at the final big wall for the sprint to the finish - so that no one player could be so far ahead that the final finish would be an anticlimactic coast.

It's the same reason that the frontrunners in Mario Cart don't get good drops and the people way behind do - the game designer was equalizing the field to prevent someone lucky or fortunate or rich from sitting on a lead.

The book has several other such examples that I spotted. The SJW stuff I just glossed through.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer August 01, 2017 2:55 PM  

I've listened to a couple of Comics and Diversity's aural essays on youtube and he is describing a culture among the people who create comic books get work by knowing the right people and having the correct opinions without regard to the quality of their work or its success.

In other words, like most of the popular culture, it is decadent and debased.

Blogger Ransom Smith August 01, 2017 3:00 PM  

Here's to hoping for a movie adaption of Ctrl Alt Revolt.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 01, 2017 3:00 PM  

Stripmining the economy and stripmining the culture go hand in hand. Just two sides of the same coin.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr August 01, 2017 3:01 PM  

Look on the bright side. What's left after the endless PC reboots and remakes die?

The stuff WE like!

The Monster Hunter International books BEG for a film treatment. Or six. Vox's Selenoth stories would do nicely. Half of John Wright's collected works.

And that's just the modern material. There's a vast library of classic SF and fantasy waiting to be rediscovered.

Don't weep that you are born into this time of crisis. Rejoice in it, for it's in those times that history is made.

Blogger Forge the Sky August 01, 2017 3:01 PM  

@7 He just announced that they reinstated his account, but are not providing any reasoning for pulling it in the first place.

Surely this has nothing whatsoever to do with recently-announced plans to reduce enrollment into pro-marxist courses by 75% in the next 5 years.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. August 01, 2017 3:07 PM  

This article reads more like a person who has had a lamentful epiphany that Pop Culture is dead to him, without realizing that such a realization is a rite of passage. Said differently: He's still a boy.

There has always been a 'Pop Culture', just as there has always been Low Art.

Anonymous Stickwick August 01, 2017 3:09 PM  

Marvel Studios have been seeing some rough times recently. Spiderman Homecoming tied with Amazing Spiderman 2 as the lowest opening weekend in franchise history. This is bad for several reasons. The first being that Sony made the deal with Marvel to stop Spiderman's popularity from waning. It hasn't worked. Whether you're a fan of Homecoming or not, that's a worrying trend. Pair that with the yawns the new trailers for Inhumans and Thor: Ragnarok got, and the trend is solidifying.

Superhero films are hitting the wall.


The Red Letter Media guys have been talking about superhero fatigue for a while. It's the law of diminishing returns.

The first Iron Man was great, because it was new(ish) and a story of personal redemption in superhero clothing. Winter Soldier and The Avengers were also quite good, but these were before we had 16,000 superhero movies. Deadpool was super-fun, but as Mike and Jay at RLM pointed out, it probably hastened the death of the superhero genre. There's nowhere to go from there.

I took my kid to see Homecoming, 'cuz what else are you gonna do on Saturday when it's 105 degrees outside. I was so distracted by the DIVERSITY! that I just couldn't get immersed in the world. It sucked the magic right out of the Marvel world. I'm officially superheroed out.

Anonymous 8-1-2016 August 01, 2017 3:10 PM  

Directors such as Christopher Nolan already shifting? Batman to Interstellar (2014), a film about fatherhood, lacking only a religious dimension to be perfect.

Those with talent will make the transition.

Blogger Markku August 01, 2017 3:11 PM  

Case for Christ. Released in April. Budget: 3M. Gross so far: 14.7 million USD.

I'd say THIS genre is doing just dandy.

Blogger S1AL August 01, 2017 3:15 PM  

"People (even non-geeks) still liking that Star Wars and Star Trek, though."

Start Wars has a monopoly on psychic warrior monks with laser swords. Until something as cool as that comes along, you're stuck with it.

Star Trek is iconic for being the first major sci-fi show with a decent car and also for being one of the first major idea shows.

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 01, 2017 3:18 PM  

Alternative platforms for movies need to be built. Hollywood needs to be destroyed. It's not any more reformable than the Fake-Banana Empire is.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass August 01, 2017 3:23 PM  

basementhomebrewer wrote:c matt wrote:Isn't the Alt-Hero basically what every dystopia flick is about? Dystopia flicks sure are popular.

Alt-Hero inspires hope for the future. Most of the dystopia ficks are steeped in Nihilism.


BRING IT ON!!!

Agreed re: Guardians of the Galaxy

Blogger tz August 01, 2017 3:26 PM  

What replaces Pop Culture is Alt Culture. What replaces the Superhero is Alt Hero. Winter is coming and the wolves are howling. And it's coming much sooner than you think

And it will be tragic.

Christendom has a view of science and the arts. Even Ayn Rand acknowledged aesthetics.

Identity politics kills ideology - philosophy has no place.

The iconic comics and SF/F of my youth and young adulthood have no place. No Lewis or Tolkien will arise. Nor an Asimov or Niven.

The original Fantastic Four worked, and even did a decent job on the Silver Surfer. But it was rebooted to be more PC.

Virtue signalling from identity is boring on either side, but brings 5 star ratings and lauds and kudos. The Pink SF/F slime Scalzi makes is lauded, but so is the blue SF/F that is violent and vulgar from the other side.

Christendom built cathedrals. Modernism builds sterile gauche towers. I'm not sure what an alt-architecture would build, but it would be ugly in a differnet and opposite manner.

The epic stories and heroic characters of yore in comics and books don't work in a SJW paradigm. They cannot be made PC without castrating them. But to make them not merely flawed but vulgar is equally destructive.

Great art and literature appears dead, or at least is buried. It would not be published because it transcends identity.

The error is in assuming that Union Greenbacks are intrinsically worth more than the Confederate paper currency - it was only because the North won and redeemed them with specie. Today, all is paper, or even just online database currency.

Blogger Shimshon August 01, 2017 3:28 PM  

Even though it is a reboot, I liked the casting for JJ Abrams' Star Trek. The only problem is...JJ Abrams. Either he is vastly overrated or he has declined precipitously from the 1990s. He can't keep stories straight and ignores gaping plot holes (probably in hopes the audience is as stupid as he takes them to be). Besides the thin plots he comes up with. Regarding Star Trek Into Darkness, if that was homage to STII, I don't think he knows what the word means.

The only reason I even go to the theater today is to do something my kids enjoy. And even they don't go very often.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 01, 2017 3:34 PM  

"Ransom Smith wrote:Here's to hoping for a movie adaption of Ctrl Alt Revolt.

"

The title alone has alt-pop traction.

Blogger lowercaseb August 01, 2017 3:37 PM  

I threw this on Google plus, but I'll throw it here also...

n a cruel way, you could say they are doing a public service.

I'd like to think of it that there is a dark cabal of founding fathers who realized that the problem with our society is infantilization. So the big media companies and the Hollywood creatives are selflessly burning their lucrative properties to the ground so that adults can't retreat back to them.

Blogger tz August 01, 2017 3:38 PM  

You can see the exhaustion in the constant reboots.
Caesar Romero, Jack Nicholson, and Heath Ledger portrayed very different Jokers, but enough time had passed.
You need 15-20 years minimum.
But Fantastic Four, and Spiderman and Superman, and now Batman reappear in a totally different reboot.
The only one that managed to stretch timelines is X-Men but they various bits were at different times and Days of Future Past (a classic storyline) was done to create continuity.

The superhero genre has become Groundhog day.

Not to be outdone, the Smurfs, Trolls, and such are joining in. And Disney has become the princess factory. Princesses live lavishly off the taxpayer.

Walt Disney was at a critical juncture when he released Dumbo - a hit. Epic. The classic storyline of hidden greatness.

Only Angry Birds recently has pushed back.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. August 01, 2017 3:38 PM  

Great art and literature appears dead, or at least is buried

Murder Great Man Theory and you murder all things Great, including the possibility of Greatness.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( more Natural Born Kekistani than if my mother was a native of Moorhead MN and my father came from Cockram Mill VA ... so to speak ) August 01, 2017 3:38 PM  

5. BluePony August 01, 2017 2:45 PM
no superheroes


wut?

every single one of them is a Super.


18. Stickwick August 01, 2017 3:09 PM
The Red Letter Media guys have been talking about superhero fatigue for a while. It's the law of diminishing returns.
...
I was so distracted by the DIVERSITY!


while these two points are not inconsiderable, i think Spiderman ( in particular ) has a larger problem.

how many times can you reboot a character?

how many times SHOULD you reboot a character?

how much interest can movie goers have to see this origin story AGAIN?

it's not that you couldn't have made a movie out of one of the thousands upon thousands of Spiderman storylines ( or, God forbid, create a new one ), it's that they keep recycling origin stories.

really, there's no where to go from the existing movies?

how many times did they replace 007, and never once pretended that they had to start over from scratch? at least, not until Craig.

i don't even know how to characterize the execs that are in charge now. maybe too much coke?

Blogger Ransom Smith August 01, 2017 3:40 PM  

The title alone has alt-pop traction.

Unironically, I think Ctrl Alt Revolt has great movie potential. A decent cast and director and a limited budget and it could easily be a hit.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 01, 2017 3:42 PM  

The key to an alt-Hero is to capture the cool of the anti-Hero, by making him everything the anti-Hero was not.

Anonymous fop August 01, 2017 3:46 PM  

What replaces pop culture? It ain't Alt-culture yet. We've still got to get through "Museum of Fart", "Ow! My Balls!", "Ass! The Movie", and "Monday Night Rehabilitation."

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 01, 2017 3:49 PM  

praetorian wrote:Dostoyevsky or Nietzsche.

Those are your choices, kids. Enjoy.


I choose Christ.

tz wrote:Christendom built cathedrals. Modernism builds sterile gauche towers. I'm not sure what an alt-architecture would build, but it would be ugly in a differnet and opposite manner.
alt-architecture would build a 4-bedroom house with a big yard.

Anonymous fop August 01, 2017 3:50 PM  

Although... a song about drinking semen was recently a top 10 hit on the pop charts worldwide (#1 in Israel), so ... we're getting close.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 01, 2017 3:53 PM  

tz wrote:Walt Disney was at a critical juncture when he released Dumbo - a hit. Epic. The classic storyline of hidden greatness.


See if you can find a copy. Go on, try.
Even better, Song of the South. Disney corporation hates Walt Disney and everything he did.

Anonymous Killua August 01, 2017 3:53 PM  

Yaaay alt comics. As a begginer artist, I am looking forward. Vox has always been good at making cool fight scenes, and thats what I enjoy the most in comics.

Blogger Timmy3 August 01, 2017 3:54 PM  

Nothing is as fun when every role must include a female or minority that don't even believe in the same thing as the white male protagonist. Besides, movies is where the beloved television franchise goes to ruin. I like Marvel comics, but maybe after a trilogy, they need to give it a rest. Spiderman is overplayed. That last Wolverine movie, Logan, was absolutely an abomination.

Blogger #7139 August 01, 2017 3:56 PM  

Winter is coming and the wolves are howling.

This is good. In fact, very, very good.

OpenID dreadilkzee August 01, 2017 3:56 PM  

There are somethings that do well with pulling in the past culture. Stranger Things tells a good story without making it all about 80's shtick. I hope season 2 does as well. As for the current trend.

I'm ready for it to finally do something new, but I mean someone else do it. I hate Hollywood. I have been boycotting it this year and will not go to the theaters. IF they are lucky I will redbox it. Sure I would have liked to see Guardians of the Galaxy vol2 but I am honestly not broken up about waiting for it on DVD.

I actually lament not being able to see the Russian movie "The Gaurdians" on the big screen more than anything Hollywood has produced.

I really wish Alt-Movie's would start coming to the fore. Hell at this point I'm going to brush off the John Wayne collection.

Blogger Markku August 01, 2017 3:56 PM  

Just so that nobody gets TOO desperate, here's some art from this year: https://onlinejuriedshows.com/ClosedShowThumbs.aspx?OJSID=11820

The skills are still there. They're just not on display in any of the expected places.

Anonymous Jeff August 01, 2017 3:58 PM  

Castalia House Productions

Where do I invest?

Blogger g wood August 01, 2017 4:01 PM  

I walked out of the last Star Trek movie when they destroyed the alien warships by playing rock&roll over the radio. I can't think of any upcoming movie I'd pay to see, except maybe the next Avatar.

Anonymous kfg August 01, 2017 4:01 PM  

"Winter is coming and the wolves are howling."

Wolves cannot insure their survival by out breeding rabbits.

What they need to do is recognize and take advantage of the food surplus.

Blogger Elwin Ransom August 01, 2017 4:01 PM  

A good story will always shine, fads be damned. I wonder is modern life is changing humanity, the masses have become these fickle, drug addled, attention deficient disasters.

The bottom of the gutter appears to be little more than drugs, sex, and bright shiny objects.

Maybe the cycles will shorten, maybe the problem is too much…habituation on steroids.

Blogger Matthew August 01, 2017 4:02 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:alt-architecture would build a 4-bedroom house with a big yard.

And a detached workshop. And grape arbors. And one or more trebuchets.

Blogger Matthew August 01, 2017 4:04 PM  

I forgot to add: smokehouse.

Anonymous kfg August 01, 2017 4:05 PM  

"And one or more trebuchets."

Ahhhhh, I knew there was something I forgot to pick up. Thanks for the reminder.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 01, 2017 4:18 PM  

A good story will always shine, fads be damned.

And that seems to be the thing they're having the hardest time with: story and characterization, which is the heart of everything. I don't even watch new movies anymore, but I enjoy the RLM reviews Stickwick mentioned, and so many of them boil down to, "It looks great, sounds great, and there was some great action, but it's all in the service of a nothing story and characters you'll forget about in a month."

They've talked about how much voiceover there was in The Mummy, and how that might be because that way they can change that for foreign markets -- stick in extra exposition, or simple explanations for things domestic audiences would already understand. So they're literally telling instead of showing now, to make movies portable.

But I think it's more than that. The Chinese are gonna watch Transformers whether it has a story they understand or not. You could put a story in there if you wanted to, and let it go over their heads, the way kids and adults can enjoy some cartoons on different levels. It's like they're agressively anti-story now, and anti-hero in some ways. People talk like Zack Snyder can only do dark, violent, meaningless action schlock, and I think of 300. How can the guy who directed that King Leonidas fail to portray a heroic Superman? Something has changed, and fairly recently, even when the creators are the same. Alt-Culture can't come soon enough.

Blogger Quilp August 01, 2017 4:19 PM  

The left, whether it be with its marginalized villains in the new Star Wars, or it's SJW's as heroes in Comics, wants to own, like everything else, what i, and what is not, good and evil. Nothing can be more virtuous than the current SJW's, and more importantly, they leave evil open to interpretation, or at least watered down in their fiction. They don't want to raise any fictional villain above the level of...well, us. To do so would be to diminish just how far they can go in demonizing those that oppose them. We (especially Christians) can imagine something greater, certainly more virtuous than ourselves, and also something more evil than our enemies. The left seems incapable of either. In fiction, the anti corporate and environmental/climate change themes seemed to have crashed for them as well. Sure, they have Hitler, but he was real, and how many times have we all been Hitler already. They have nowhere to go, yes- pop culture is dying. Thank God.

Blogger Pat Swayze August 01, 2017 4:19 PM  

Great piece & related YT video. Ever wonder why Anime is exploding?

Anonymous PVB August 01, 2017 4:20 PM  

Alt-culture? Definitely not as cute as BabyMetal but the video throws some curve balls.

https://youtu.be/TdwT5JlH8gM

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 01, 2017 4:25 PM  

Speaking of Angry Birds, that movie didn't just push back, it went berserk with a sledgehammer.

To say that I was pleasantly surprised is an understatement.

Anonymous BluePony August 01, 2017 4:26 PM  

"every single one of them is a Super."

Not in the sense that I use the term. Starlord is some snarky rogue with a jetpack. Rocket is an intelligence enhanced animal, but no special powers. Gamora and Drax are just strong, tough aliens. Groot is Groot. IOW, other than Rocket, they have no super-abilities beyond others of their kind.

"I walked out of the last Star Trek movie when they destroyed the alien warships by playing rock&roll over the radio."

No, really? I was going to finally watch it on Hulu. That's a total rip from Robotech.

I wish I was in charge of the Trek reboot. I'd gender swap the whole cast. Not for any SJW nonsense, but to annoy the living hell out of as many geeks as possible. Also, sexier that way.

Blogger Ransom Smith August 01, 2017 4:32 PM  

See if you can find a copy.

Cracker Barrel.
I saw a copy last time I was there. Along with a lot of other old Disney movies that Mausewitz has been trying to get rid of since (((the takeover))).

Anonymous Grayman August 01, 2017 4:34 PM  

kfg wrote:"And one or more trebuchets."

Ahhhhh, I knew there was something I forgot to pick up. Thanks for the reminder.


What about the ballistas?!

Anonymous Iacobus August 01, 2017 4:35 PM  

I saw all the glowing reviews for "Ready Player One" and decided to give the book a whirl. I didn't make it past page 10 or so. The nihilism was too much for me. (And I'm a big 80's fan, having lived my teenage years then.)

I saw the trailer. It was pretty much a WTF moment for me. If all you're going to do is throw 80's references at me, I might as well just stream my episodes of Knight Rider (a guilty pleasure of mine) or my 80's music playlist.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable August 01, 2017 4:36 PM  

Something has changed, and fairly recently, even when the creators are the same. Alt-Culture can't come soon enough.

Well put, Cail. Enjoyed your latest video, BTW.

I am a huge detective fiction buff, much more so than SF/Fantasy. (It's only Castalia and JCW that have really pulled me back into the latter, and I'm glad for the diversion.) The gay sidekick thing has been happening since the 80s (Jonathan Kellerman), but what I'm noticing now is that EVERY MAJOR AUTHOR seems to suddenly be compelled to create their own lesbian protagonist / supporting character. Mark Billingham is the latest, and I've stopped buying his stuff entirely. Now I notice Michael Connelly's got a new female lead, and I'm very much hoping he hasn't gone over to the dark side.

The major publishers are a mess regardless of genre. We need new writers with skill, ideas and principles to match.

Blogger Feather Blade August 01, 2017 4:37 PM  

Shimshon wrote:JJ Abrams. Either he is vastly overrated or he has declined precipitously from the 1990s.

Is he the guy who did "Lost"? If so, then "vastly overrated". Not one of the plane-wrecked characters (who have no food or shelter) thinks to bring back the giant meaty carcass of the polar bear they just killed? Really?

Blogger Geir Balderson August 01, 2017 4:39 PM  

I am so happy it is dead or dying! When the overweight, shaved head girls became the number one fan of a comic book it was gone. They PCed to death all of the good heroes.
Read a 1960's era Superman or Flash and you find a nice wholesome story. You looked forward to next month's issue. Now, I wonder is Superman the next one to be a woman, a brown minority or handicapped? That kind of crap turns off real fans of the genre.

And, it all trickles down to all the other similar entertainment. I will never ever go to one of these PCrap Movies!!!

And , I am still ticked they made Sulu gay! Or Dumbledore! Or that guy in Beauty and the Beast! Rip up that rainbow flag!

Blogger Markku August 01, 2017 4:39 PM  

Two of the three story writers of the Angry Birds movie were Finns. We have a tendency to irreverence.

Anonymous badhairday August 01, 2017 4:41 PM  

People have been predicting the end of pop culture since whenever you wish to define the first appearance of pop culture.

Alt-Hero just appears to be another take on superheros. Its just another reboot. If it has something interesting or relevant to say then it will do well for a while. Then something newer and shinier will replace it. Maybe we will call them uberheros and try to convince ourselves that they're new and different.

Winter has always been coming and the wolves were always howling.

Blogger SmockMan August 01, 2017 4:44 PM  

This can't come fast enough. Both Marvel and DC have doubled down on the narrative, today.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 01, 2017 4:44 PM  

@61. Markku, unless I am gravely mistaken, it was HEAVILY based on an old parable about Islam, though I can't seem to re-find it...

It did have a happy ending, in contrast with the parable though.

Blogger Markku August 01, 2017 4:45 PM  

Yeah, I interpreted it the same way, though I wasn't sure if it was intentional.

Blogger Markku August 01, 2017 4:46 PM  

The other possible interpretation is that the pigs were European colonists and the Angry Birds were Native Americans. There was even a visual gag to this effect.

Blogger Markku August 01, 2017 4:51 PM  

Or, it could be both. Native Americans are the superficial narrative, and it's how you "sell" the movie to Hollywood. However, the takeaway for any actual kid watching it, is muslims because they are seeing this very dynamic play out right before their eyes.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 01, 2017 4:51 PM  

Enjoyed your latest video, BTW.

Thank you!

There's so much cool stuff from the 1980s, but most of the attempts to profit from it recently come off as empty cash-ins on references, what RLM characterizes as, "I clapped because I know what that is!" (Their Rogue One review is brilliant.) Could it be that they're still being made by Boomers who don't get it? I dunno.

If you're just going to show me Frogger and Knight Rider and stuff like that without using it in a real story that means something and sticks with me, you're just reminding me how much better those things were than the current offerings. To paraphrase Iacobus, I might as well go rewatch my Magnum, p.i. DVDs. Shows like that had guest stars who were more memorable than a lot of blockbuster leads today.

It's possible I'm just being an out-of-touch, cranky old man, but I don't think so.

Anonymous AB.Prosper August 01, 2017 4:52 PM  

I can't remember the last time I wanted to see a movie where there was a WOW! got to see that thing! going on. Heck I've recorded several movies SF and fantasy on the DVR and never gotten around to watching them , ending up deleting them . Tried a couple of series, Killjoys and others, unwatchable

I used to love SF too.

Now this isn't all Pink Slime infestation, its terrible writing and worn out plots.

Heck the only thing I watch regularly is Forged in Fire a reality show about blade smithing

Anonymous Columbo August 01, 2017 5:00 PM  

@68 Cail Corishev
It's possible I'm just being an out-of-touch, cranky old man, but I don't think so.

That reminds me, Mr. Calishove, there's a question I forgot to ask you. But I can't remember it right now. If it comes to mind, you don't mind if I just drop by to ask it, do you?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 01, 2017 5:02 PM  

@67. Markku, there was the whole thing about "The Great Eagle" and that was in your face to the maximum for us in the U.S. He had grown old, and fat, and decadent, and unable to protect them any longer...

Blogger Markku August 01, 2017 5:04 PM  

Yes, but The Great Eagle is a powerup in Angry Birds 2 mobile game. They had to work it in there somehow.

Blogger YIH August 01, 2017 5:09 PM  

S1AL wrote:"People (even non-geeks) still liking that Star Wars and Star Trek, though."

Start Wars has a monopoly on psychic warrior monks with laser swords. Until something as cool as that comes along, you're stuck with it.

Star Trek is iconic for being the first major sci-fi show with a decent car and also for being one of the first major idea shows.

Star Trek is also petering out, ST: Beyond couldn't even top Ghostbusters, a flick that was thoroughly beaten down before it even saw the light of screen. The upcoming ST series increasingly looks like it will the franchise's grave, buried under a pile of lawsuits (Netflix is not happy with how things are going). And, of course, Disney is just playing out the string of Star Wars movies in order to build hype for upcoming SW theme park areas.

Blogger Markku August 01, 2017 5:09 PM  

The movie worked in every character in the new Angry Birds 2 lineup.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 01, 2017 5:17 PM  

@74. Markku, fair enough, I haven't played it. The movie was just a lucky pick when nothing else looked good.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr August 01, 2017 5:18 PM  

I've believed for several years that superhero films were played out. And the Star Trek franchise is mined to exhaustion - Enterprise could have been good IF they had avoided the "Vulcans and Klingons and Phasers on Stun" trope. No such luck.

Whoever has the nerve to break new ground will make a fortune.

Personally, I think there's a lot to be said for Napoleonic-era sea fiction. Especially since CGI has gotten to the point where the films could be made at a reasonable price.

Blogger Elder Son August 01, 2017 5:25 PM  

Don't bother seeing the latest Ape movie. They use a befriended little girl, to portray the apes with "humanity".

OpenID aew51183 August 01, 2017 5:28 PM  

This review seems to conflate the stereotype of geeks with actual geeks, and to the extent it does address actual geekdom all I see is the tired "If you like this you're a manbaby" trope.

This review itself "talks down" to geeks as much as the film stereotypes them.

I'm reminded forcefully of 1950's era puritans finger-wagging about the "degenerate fad" of rock n roll "corrupting the youth".

No, these hobbies are not going away, and a lot of people not only like them, but are raising kids steeped in them, in the same way the rock n roll generation not only didn't go back to jazz, they pushed the envelope further and raised their kids on even more 'extreme' music.

Anonymous Nibiru August 01, 2017 5:29 PM  

Alt-Culture will be the best of Retro-Culture--what is Good and what works.

Anonymous BBGKB August 01, 2017 5:34 PM  

I think the Orville will be better than the new star trek, the new star trek will have a brown gay medical doctor in a relationship with the redhead from RENT.

Start Wars has a monopoly on psychic warrior monks with laser swords. Until something as cool as that comes along, you're stuck with it.

This might kill it https://gab.ai/BGKB/posts/10323745

Only Angry Birds recently has pushed back.

How many shitlibs understood it was about immigration?

Great piece & related YT video. Ever wonder why Anime is exploding?

A lot of anime is how Asians see whites, its far better than how jews project them.

Anonymous kfg August 01, 2017 5:39 PM  

@Grayman:

"What about the ballistas?!"

Figured I could trade in some of my overstock on the trebuchets.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 01, 2017 5:39 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:Shows like that had guest stars who were more memorable than a lot of blockbuster leads today.
Hell, Stuart F***ing Margolin is more memorable than a lot of modern stars.

Anonymous two sentries August 01, 2017 5:48 PM  

"Great art and literature appears dead, or at least is buried"

Naah, it's just that there just really isn't a huge superabundance of truly great art throughout human history. Quick, don't think answer at once: in the hundred years before Shakespeare, who were the greatest writers in England? Answer: there weren't any. How about a hundred years after? There was exactly one other great writer (well-would-have been great, died too young) in Shakespeare's lifetime, Kit Marlowe -- sorry, Ben Jonson doesn't cut it. In the hundred years after Will, there is only one must-read poet, John Donne. Maybe we don't deserve more than a handful of truly great writers in the course of a century. Given our much larger population than the Elizabethans, it would be reasonable to expect maybe fifteen in the course of a century. We probably have already et that cake.

But it doesn't mean there won't be more. Techniques and attitudes get re-discovered, poke back up to the surface, become appreciated and studied and admired. It may not happen in your lifetime, but it will happen. It's probably happening right now, just without the (((necessary publicity and backing))).

Blogger lowercaseb August 01, 2017 5:49 PM  

Markku wrote:Two of the three story writers of the Angry Birds movie were Finns. We have a tendency to irreverence.

having recently seen Rare Exports, I agree.

Blogger YIH August 01, 2017 5:50 PM  

Ransom Smith wrote:See if you can find a copy.

Cracker Barrel.

I saw a copy last time I was there. Along with a lot of other old Disney movies that Mausewitz has been trying to get rid of since (((the takeover))).

Good luck with that, probably not even torrents exist of it. It was last released to theaters in '86, just after (((the takeover))) and to promote theme park attractions loosely based on it, and it's only official home video release (in it's entirety) was to LaserDisc which means any copies that still exist are likely unplayable.
Movies have another problem, despite growing populations in the US, total number of tickets sold (sheer headcount) peaked in '03, and have been steadily declining ever since.
The only reason box office revenues have been going up is due to ticket price increases.

Blogger JD Cowan August 01, 2017 5:58 PM  

Thanks for the link!

"No, these hobbies are not going away, and a lot of people not only like them, but are raising kids steeped in them, in the same way the rock n roll generation not only didn't go back to jazz, they pushed the envelope further and raised their kids on even more 'extreme' music."

The music industry is even worse than Hollywood.

Anyway, those hobbies aren't going anywhere. My point is that you're never going to see another work like Star Wars from Hollywood ever again, and that is by design.

Anonymous RedJack August 01, 2017 6:00 PM  

There are few properties I would really count as original. "Game of Thrones" is one (and I am not a fan of that).

Star Wars, Transformers, GI Joe... What will my kids wax nostalgic about?

Part of it is the atomization of culture. I love John C Wright, but I know that most will never see his work. Larry Corriea has a great concept and he sucks up my money, but the average person will not be buying his book.

Even in music, there is no defining style right now (though maybe I am to old to get it). Just a lot of rehash that is washed out.

Maybe this is how a dark age starts. Not with the barbarians wiping out learning, but with people no longer caring to learn.

Anonymous FP August 01, 2017 6:00 PM  

Stickwick wrote:

I took my kid to see Homecoming, 'cuz what else are you gonna do on Saturday when it's 105 degrees outside. I was so distracted by the DIVERSITY! that I just couldn't get immersed in the world. It sucked the magic right out of the Marvel world. I'm officially superheroed out.


It really has gotten in your face now. I saw Logan last week and laughed out loud when Wolverine n' co. stop from being on the run briefly with a black corn farming family in fly over country. The son even had roping/riding trophies.

The latest JJ Trek movie was alright despite the cringe beastie boys sabotage montage ("is that classical music?"). But those are just syfy action pop corn flicks now carried by a good cast and lens flares. I was more cheesed off that they named the space station the Yorktown. The new tv series looks a complete mess.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 01, 2017 6:07 PM  

JD Cowan wrote:Anyway, those hobbies aren't going anywhere. My point is that you're never going to see another work like Star Wars from Hollywood ever again, and that is by design.
Good thing Hollywood has become irrelevant and won't exist in 20 years then.
Remember when Edison NJ was the world center of filmmaking?

Blogger Ransom Smith August 01, 2017 6:08 PM  

@YIH

Out if curiosity I looked. Amazon has Dumbo. No joke. Song of the South though is impossible to get.

Blogger JD Cowan August 01, 2017 6:10 PM  

@89 20 years is too long!

Anonymous AB.Prosper August 01, 2017 6:12 PM  

I looked at the video YIH posted describing the new trek , other than apparently including a token White guy it looks cucked as hell . The preview looked unwatchable

Apparently no one thinks its good either since its only on some streaming service
Why I'd want to stream anything on CBS is beyond me though

The worse part of this is in order to promote this drek CBS is cracking down on fan films including the Axanar one (which looked and seemed far better than anything J.J Abrams did) and the Star Trek Continues which while silly in places is actually good , it feels like TOS most of the time.

Ah well , I'm pretty much rid of TV anyway which is a good thing

However Logan was a very good movie and I can forgive a friendly Black rodeo family in a film about mutants

OpenID aew51183 August 01, 2017 6:13 PM  

Off Topic:

Youtube announces its full convergence:
https://youtube.googleblog.com/2017/08/an-update-on-our-commitment-to-fight.html

Anonymous AB.Prosper August 01, 2017 6:19 PM  

RedJack wrote:There are few properties I would really count as original. "Game of Thrones" is one (and I am not a fan of that).

Star Wars, Transformers, GI Joe... What will my kids wax nostalgic about?

Part of it is the atomization of culture. I love John C Wright, but I know that most will never see his work. Larry Corriea has a great concept and he sucks up my money, but the average person will not be buying his book.

Even in music, there is no defining style right now (though maybe I am to old to get it). Just a lot of rehash that is washed out.

Maybe this is how a dark age starts. Not with the barbarians wiping out learning, but with people no longer caring to learn.


Pop culture isn't rally learning. Its forgettable and no more of consequences to anyone other than historians than famous Roman gladiators and what brand of lineament they endorsed

In any case technology would naturally have fragmented the popular culture. The Internet changed the barrier of entry for everyone and everything and allowed niche products to compete. Its glorious

Throwing in diversity and leftism though is like tossing in thermite though since it speeds up the fragmentation and take sit into the political level too fast.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 01, 2017 6:22 PM  

Is it okay if I weep into my pillow at losing Leave It To Beaver?

Seriously. WTF happened to Common Courtesy, Common Sense and Common Culture?

You can't maintain the riches of Western Civ without the civic-mindedness and the respect-based culture pre-1965 America cultivated.

Instead we have, "I shot at him, missed, killing some random old man/bystander because he dissed me." Instead we truly have the politics of ENVY. Instead we have a national and state (and often even local) government run by bought-and-paid-for politicians, industry-captured regulators and a leftist-lunatic judiciary.

And we have Perpetual Children, a nation of Peter Pans and Forever-Julia-Roberts-PROSTITUTES (aping My Fair Lady, of course.)

Facepalm. I weep for my grandchildren. No man can hold back the tide, even when it's the poison of Red Tide.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 01, 2017 6:25 PM  

Ransom Smith wrote:Out if curiosity I looked. Amazon has Dumbo. No joke.
Almost certainly a bootleg

Blogger Markku August 01, 2017 6:27 PM  

Nope. I know what that looks like. This absolutely is the official title, with stock kept up to date by Disney. https://www.amazon.com/Dumbo-Herman-Bing/dp/B003H9M1Q2/ref=ice_ac_b_dpb_twi_dvd_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1501626353&sr=8-4

Blogger dc.sunsets August 01, 2017 6:29 PM  

RedJack wrote:There are few properties I would really count as original. "Game of Thrones" is one (and I am not a fan of that).

Star Wars, Transformers, GI Joe... What will my kids wax nostalgic about?

Part of it is the atomization of culture. I love John C Wright, but I know that most will never see his work. Larry Corriea has a great concept and he sucks up my money, but the average person will not be buying his book.

Even in music, there is no defining style right now (though maybe I am to old to get it). Just a lot of rehash that is washed out.

Maybe this is how a dark age starts. Not with the barbarians wiping out learning, but with people no longer caring to learn.


NO. This is how disparate people, having finally revealed their differences, SEPARATE.

Humans are not homogeneous (h/t to BGKB.) Why on EARTH would we all want to live in a straight-jacket blender of a polity?

The (relatively) homogeneous USA disappeared when I was a CHILD. It's gone. The future is not the past. The future is unknown, but while history may rhyme, it doesn't do repeat.

I sincerely hope some version of the gentler, more peaceful, more emotionally and rationally centered world of the late 1950's/early 1960's can arise. I'm doing my part, tending my own garden and emulating Jeff Cooper ("To Shoot Straight and Speak the Truth.")

Lord, let us see an end to men wearing their pants off their butts, emulating convicts willing to turn tricks in prison.

Blogger Ransom Smith August 01, 2017 6:37 PM  

Almost certainly a bootleg

Shockingly no. It's a legit copy and also available for rental too. I was utterly shocked. I swore it wouldn't be there but low and behold.

My dad has to always quite the crows as a kid. "I'm just trying to help ya boy"
Which is amusing coming from a pale white guy from Germany.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 01, 2017 6:38 PM  

But the final straw for me, and it appears for many others, was the reveal of Ready Player One directed by an over the hill Steven Spielberg.

I got as far as that sentence and screamed, "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"

Blogger Markku August 01, 2017 6:38 PM  

Dumbo is "problematic" because the boss crow is called Jim Crow.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 01, 2017 6:39 PM  

@24 TZ
Christendom built cathedrals. Modernism builds sterile gauche towers. I'm not sure what an alt-architecture would build, but it would be ugly in a different and opposite manner.

https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/08/09/can-the-worlds-tallest-buildings-predict-the-next.aspx

Modernism is NOTHING but debt-based magical thinking, so its "style" of architecture is whatever fits on a credit card. Size is almost all that matters.

Alt-Architecture, as a style of the RIGHT, hasn't been seen in centuries. It is undoubtedly realist in its appearance and utility.

Think Michelangelo meets Normal Rockwell.

Alt-Architecture would feature buildings meant for adults with KIDS. Meant for families who spend most of their time AT HOME, TOGETHER. With eat-in kitchens where meal preparation is a social activity as well as a learning lab for nurturing children.

Built to LAST.

The RIGHT has a low time preference. Imagine what a change such thinking brings.

Anonymous AB.Prosper August 01, 2017 6:40 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:Seriously. WTF happened to Common Courtesy, Common Sense and Common Culture?

You can't maintain the riches of Western Civ without the civic-mindedness and the respect-based culture pre-1965 America cultivated.


Leave it Beaver was weird and dated when I was a teen in the 80's I can't imagine how strange it would seem to even younger people.

Change wise are a lot of things in play, demography is one of them , Leftism another but there are other things going on in terms of technology and economy

We ran out of frontier to run away to and turned from a pretty equal pretty free society to an outright authoritarian oligarchy in a few decades. The USA isn't going to work when 1% own 90% of the wealth anymore than its going to work when its not White . In both cases its zero sum

and our cognitive blinkers and corruption make any solution impossible

as far as values, of course they are going to be questioned . Anyone with any interest in doing that had had the ability do do so with some ease for nearly a couple of decades . What did anyone expect to happen?

problem is our old model was rigid and stupid. We've had regular birth control for 50 years , the Internet for what 20 or more and simply are unable to adapt to any kind of change.

Alvin Toffler called it Future Shock which isn't a bad term really, simply "The West" was hidebound and at its core a house of cards unable to sustain itself despite every advantage . And not, we were folding long before Christianity got cucked

If it goes away or is replaced with I dunno barbarian tribes , we deserve it.

Be strong or get eaten.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 01, 2017 6:49 PM  

You know the end is near when the only thing ST/SW are good for is to be the butt of a running joke.
https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/6bb43f/seth_macfarlanes_upcoming_tv_series_looks_like_a/

https://youtu.be/Yy9sKeCE8V0

Maybe all of the gags are in the preview, but come on folks, I don't give a rat's posterior how many times they claim Macfarlane is a True Trekkie, this looks to put paid to the franchise.

Blogger Ransom Smith August 01, 2017 6:49 PM  

Dumbo is "problematic" because the boss crow is called Jim Crow

Thus the basis of its appeal.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 01, 2017 6:49 PM  

Markku wrote:Nope. I know what that looks like. This absolutely is the official title, with stock kept up to date by Disney.

I wonder if they removed Walt Kelley's wonderful crows and the opening Roustabout scene?
regardless:
On July 8, 2014, it was announced that a live-action re-imagining of Dumbo was in development. Tim Burton was announced as the director."
With Colin Ferril, Danny DeVito and Michael Keaton.
Ugh.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 01, 2017 6:58 PM  

@103 A.B.Prosper

Maybe you don't know what you're missing. Imagine walking down a country road with a shotgun over your shoulder...at 12 years of age...and the cops drive right by and give you a wave.

Imagine riding your bike downtown to the hobby store and buying Estes rocket engines and cannon fuse, for cash, and walking out the door...at 10 or 11.

Imagine going to the drug store and your mom buys Terpin Hydrate with Codeine elixer, OTC, which was and probably remains the most effective cough suppressant on Earth. (Vicotuss is maybe marginally better, and now just as near-impossible to obtain because Too Many Morons.)

I really don't think people even two years younger than me have any idea how much things have changed since 1971. Well into the 1960's the were no metal detectors or searches of AIRLINE BAGGAGE (including carry-ons.)

Want to talk about how most people didn't need to lock their doors (car or house)?

Frankly, if you took a Wayback Machine and spent a few weeks in 1961 suburbia, when you returned to our time you'd think this was already Armageddon, the End Times.

No. F-ing. Commercials for.....
Tampons.
Douches.
IUD's.
Vaginal Yeast Treatments.
Erection Aids.
Hemorrhoid Creams.
[I can only imagine what the last two, combined, mean to the Bathhouse Brigade.]

Blogger dc.sunsets August 01, 2017 6:59 PM  

Until 1968 you could MAIL ORDER firearms. Right out of the Montgomery Ward or Sears catalogs.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 01, 2017 7:02 PM  

And yes, A.B., Toffler was right, but he referred to the rate of change that PRECEDED the Internet.

We're in waaaay over our heads, but it's clear that the further one's perception differs from reality, the deeper one exists. Leftists are deep enough to be blind from lack of light.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau August 01, 2017 7:10 PM  

@9. Bob if there's a War and all the Waves claim to be knocked up to get out of combat and are left ashore can you pee standing up then?

Anonymous kfg August 01, 2017 7:16 PM  

"Want to talk about how most people didn't need to lock their doors (car or house)?"

Except during zucchini season.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 01, 2017 7:26 PM  

kfg wrote:Except during zucchini season.
Unless you wanted 50 lbs of Zucchini dumped on your kitchen counter.
But that would mean you didn't have a garden.
And that meant you were sick or out of town working, and the neighbors were looking after the place.
And they'd intercept the zucchini growers.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 01, 2017 7:28 PM  

@110. Skylark, Oh, I assure you they already do that to get out of deployments, usually though, they actually intentionally got knocked up, not just claiming it. It's either that or claim rape in order to get shore duty. Like 30-40% of them already do one of those on a lot of commands, not even joking.

You can bet that if an actual war were on that number would suddenly be around 85-95%.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 01, 2017 7:34 PM  

The zucchini thing... Been there and done that. Everyone has that first year where they think, "Oh, just like the other large vegetables, 6-8 plants is the plan!" And then that shock of "Oh dear Lord... it's about two large zucchini per plant per day... WHAT HAVE WE DONE?!?"

Meanwhile, down in Texas... three months later.

"Huh, the single Zucchini plant is making a serious go at claiming the entire 40x20 foot wall of the house... but there's not a single veggie in sight?"

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 01, 2017 7:36 PM  

A feminized society

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 01, 2017 7:37 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:"Huh, the single Zucchini plant is making a serious go at claiming the entire 40x20 foot wall of the house... but there's not a single veggie in sight?"It's pumpkins that do that up here in the NW.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 01, 2017 7:40 PM  

@70 Columbo, Not at all, I'm pretty sure you can email me through my blog or my Blogger profile linked here.

Anonymous grayman August 01, 2017 7:41 PM  

Song of the south.... appears to be on archive.org

https://archive.org/details/SongOfTheSouth1946Torrent

Anonymous Clay August 01, 2017 7:45 PM  

I'm just a stupid uncultured guy.

What is the real definition for "pop culture"?

Blogger Markku August 01, 2017 7:50 PM  

"cultural activities or commercial products reflecting, suited to, or aimed at the tastes of the general masses of people."

Blogger Roy Cameron August 01, 2017 7:52 PM  

But afterwards comes Jung and esoteric Christianity... meaning and the Quest for soul actually exist and are the driving force of development

Anonymous LurkingPuppy August 01, 2017 7:54 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:Columbo, Not at all, I'm pretty sure you can email me through my blog or my Blogger profile linked here.
No, you don't want to talk to Columbo! He always asks ‘just one more question’, and then arrests the guy.

(I didn't get the joke at first either.)

Blogger Roy Cameron August 01, 2017 7:55 PM  

John Wick takes his fight against the very people that produced him in the first place. It's the phase were actually in now. The only good alt hero is the alt hero going against the people that created him in the first place

Blogger YIH August 01, 2017 7:56 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Ransom Smith wrote:Out if curiosity I looked. Amazon has Dumbo. No joke.

Almost certainly a bootleg

Likely not, it's been released to all formats of home video and the print has been remastered twice.

Anonymous Clay August 01, 2017 8:02 PM  

Nice to see you, Markku.

Thanks. May I ask where that definition came from?

Sounds like sh*t to me. Popular, altho.

Anonymous 0007 August 01, 2017 8:04 PM  

d.c.sunsets@108 - firearms?! Hell you could order cannons if you had the right catalog(Ye Olde Hunter's Lodge).

Blogger Cail Corishev August 01, 2017 8:07 PM  

It really has gotten in your face now.

And when they can't afford to throw it in your face, they slip it in somehow anyway, so they can congratulate each other on how subversive they're being.

I was listening to the RLM commentary for Rogue One, and apparently there's a scene where a woman gives an appreciative leer to the lead actress, and that's supposed to be the first openly gay character in the Star Wars universe. I'm sure there was a hearty round of applause on set the day they filmed it.

The guys were talking about the speculation about what other characters might turn out to be gay in the upcoming movies, and one of them said, "You have to do it, but you have to do it in a way that doesn't feel like pandering." So we've come to the point where you "have to" put gay characters in your fantasy movie about space wizards in a completely different galaxy. Never mind that they didn't "have to" do it in the first six Star Wars movies, or in thousands of other movies before a few years ago; now perfectly rational people just accept that you "have to" make that obesiance.

Amazing how the indoctrination has taken hold.

Blogger Markku August 01, 2017 8:12 PM  

Clay, Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2017.

Via dictionary.com

Blogger Ingot9455 August 01, 2017 8:15 PM  

My sister once got the original 'Lassie' - first seasons, with the original kid, Jeff. (Not the later Timmy, of fall-down-the-well fame.)

She was amazed at how slowly the plots would built, and how much attention span they took. It was like mental marathon training.

Blogger Thucydides August 01, 2017 8:20 PM  

Although i suppose I am atypical, i was literally raised on the classics (Colliers "The Junior Classics") with had volumes of Grimm brother fairy tales, excerpts from the The Iliad and Odyssey and even Ernie Pyle WWII era magazine stories. I carefully preserved these childhood treasures, and now my daughter has them. (I really should scan them and convert them to .pdf before they fall apart).

I think that there is both value own teaching our children the classics, and possibly converting them into "modern" forms to infiltrate the wider public. How many people know "The Lion King" is actually Hamlet, or the sequel is Romeo and Juliet (via West Side Story)? The Warriors (both the novel and the movie) are retellings of the Anabasis. Even Rent is a modern adaptations of La Boheme. Letting people on those secrets will compel a few to start looking at the works they come from, and possibly start exploring real art.

So unless you have creative powers like J.R.R Tolkien, Vox Day or John C Wright (among others), there is nothing wrong with reading the classics, passing them on to your children and adapting them to retell the stories in a modern setting. How many of you would jump at the chance to see Odysseus slaying the SJW's who tried to take over his hall and seduce his wife while he was away?

Anonymous BD August 01, 2017 8:36 PM  

They demonized men, they demonized capitalism, they demonized whites. Now comes a prophet who sings the songs in celebration of these demons, and of their building a new heaven in hell. And they will memorialize their fall in fell monuments of work and terror, the likes of which we will celebrate for generations to come.

Anonymous Darth Veda August 01, 2017 8:43 PM  

"teaching our children the classics, and possibly converting them into "modern" forms to infiltrate the wider public. How many people know "The Lion King" is actually Hamlet, or the sequel is Romeo and Juliet (via West Side Story)?"

Couldn't hurt, but it won't help. How many people realize that most of Shakespeare's tragedies are re-workings of lurid Continental stories he found in vulgar anthologies?

It's the poetry that makes Shakespeare, the rock-solid, center-of-the-earth-deep poetry... oh, and plus the detailed insights into character and human metaphysics, all packed into rollicking good fun. The Lion King is not 'actually Hamlet' because a) it isn't funny, b) it isn't insightful, c) it's neither tragic nor profound, and d) it isn't funny. But we have to applaud, because Africa. West Side Story is a fine musical in its own right, but it isn't Romeo and Juliet because it isn't Romeo and Juliet.

Accept no substitutes. You can accept The Replacements, and even "Substitute" by The Who, but after that, I draws the line.

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis August 01, 2017 8:45 PM  

The ==>book<== "Ready Player One" was specifically written for and marketed as "young adult fiction". Means it was targeted at the 12 to 18 year old market. It was deliberately packed with references to old video games (as in arcade games where you pay by dropping in quarters) and the very early MMO era. In the libraries it was usually placed in the "young adult" section.

Anonymous AB.Prosper August 01, 2017 8:46 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:And yes, A.B., Toffler was right, but he referred to the rate of change that PRECEDED the Internet.

We're in waaaay over our heads, but it's clear that the further one's perception differs from reality, the deeper one exists. Leftists are deep enough to be blind from lack of light.


So very true. As Albert Bartlett noted

The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function.



Still the US doesn't have posterity to save, that society you spoke of , a couple of decades before my time is long gone and couldn't return

. Mine was more constrained by the local culture (pro gun but no gun) and distances (I was an hour from shopping ) our will be by our technology

Inventing the microchip may end up being the worse mistake humanity ever made and it may well extinct us or end up in hell on Earth or a dark age

On those grounds I can't blame anyone for not having kids, you have nothing to offer them other than war.

Blogger dfordoom August 01, 2017 9:00 PM  

@78. aew51183

I'm reminded forcefully of 1950's era puritans finger-wagging about the "degenerate fad" of rock n roll "corrupting the youth".

It did corrupt the youth.

Anonymous grayman August 01, 2017 9:07 PM  

@134 AB


I can't blame anyone for not having kids, you have nothing to offer them other than war.

And how wrong you are!!!! Today's children will have the opportunity that few in history ever have, the opportunity to determine the future fate of entire empires, those dying and those yet to be born.
These children will be the generation of warriors that curse their weak forebears for having the "garden of eden" and cursing it. Whether they realize it or not, they will likely play a key role in determining what comes next. This opportunity comes with a high price, yet which is the life better lived, the life of the warrior fighting for something they believe in or the fat patriarchs that quibble over the crumbs of one of greatest feasts in human history and are essentially powerless to act until social mood shifts.

There is a role for each but given the choice I suspect many here would choose the time of the warrior even knowing the cost.

Blogger dfordoom August 01, 2017 9:10 PM  

@83. two sentries

in the hundred years before Shakespeare, who were the greatest writers in England? Answer: there weren't any. How about a hundred years after? There was exactly one other great writer (well-would-have been great, died too young) in Shakespeare's lifetime, Kit Marlowe

Spenser.

Maybe we don't deserve more than a handful of truly great writers in the course of a century.

We haven't had any since the Second World War. And no great painters. No great architects either.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 01, 2017 9:20 PM  

If you had them, how would you know? Buildings never built, paintings never seen.
The despite of genius is one of our culture's great sins.

Blogger Lazarus August 01, 2017 9:22 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:Facepalm. I weep for my grandchildren. No man can hold back the tide, even when it's the poison of Red Tide.

Have them watch Clint Eastwood in UNFORGIVEN

It is the kind of story you might find in the Bible.

I stopped watching movies after that one.

Anonymous AB.Prosper August 01, 2017 9:22 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:Until 1968 you could MAIL ORDER firearms. Right out of the Montgomery Ward or Sears catalogs.

That ended before I was born though. Even by say the early 80's the culture shifted a lot.

Guns were just never a thing as a young man, though I lived in a Colorado exurb and weapons laws were light but no young person would have had access to a firearm in the 70's or 80's and it was actually very unusual I sometimes carried a knife and had nunchaku and other such ninja things at home. The first time I saw a spent shotgun shell in person (cardboard shells turned into a candle) I was amazed

I guess I remember an America before diversity, cable TV barcode scanners , the ubiquitous PC and when calling someone queer was fighting words but never one as open as the one you mentioned.

Oh you mentioned model rockets, not a thing no where to shoot them in a forested area.

It was still with its flaws a far better way to live and it pains me to think that if I ever have children, I will have nothing that good to share with them. They'll get a three way ethic hackfest as teens probably or a lifetime in the Leftist hell.


Anonymous RedMoonJournal August 01, 2017 9:53 PM  

True art is a problem for the left because at its root the left does not believe in the soul. And because the left cannot see the world without the lens of politics everything is reduced to an agenda item.

Blogger Greg Hunt August 01, 2017 9:58 PM  

Pierce Brosnan cried on the beach, after his girl-boss chewed him out for womanizing. I stopped watching 007.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 01, 2017 9:58 PM  

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Blogger tuberman August 01, 2017 10:02 PM  

Much Alt-Creative stuff just isn't allowed yet, and will have limited appeal, until it has wide appeal. We will just get back to heroes slaying dragons. The Heroes will be White, and the dragons will vary. St.Brevik will be prayed to and will become the Hero's Hero fighting the elite dragons of the present day. And, so forth. Just need platforms.

Blogger Glaivester August 01, 2017 10:07 PM  

Chris Claremont doesn't write X-Men anymore.

Which is a blessing, as anyone who has read anything by Chris Claremont since 2005 or so could tell you.

Blogger dfordoom August 01, 2017 10:18 PM  

@131. BD

They demonized men, they demonized capitalism, they demonized whites.

Has capitalism been demonised? Capitalism doesn't exactly seem like it's particularly threatened. In fact it's capitalism that has been busy demonising men, and white people, and tradition, and Christianity, and the family. Capitalism has been pushing the feminist agenda and the homosexual agenda.

Capitalism is cancer.

Blogger dfordoom August 01, 2017 10:23 PM  

@132. Darth Veda

How many people realize that most of Shakespeare's tragedies are re-workings of lurid Continental stories he found in vulgar anthologies?

I remember watching Kenneth Clark's Civilisation TV series from the early 1970s. Clark made a pretty convincing case for Shakespeare as the first major openly and avowedly atheist figure in western literature.

The "classics" aren't always as innocent as we think. We need to be a bit selective in celebrating the classics.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 01, 2017 10:32 PM  

Capitalism is a chimera.

If you had asked anyone prior to the French Revolution what they thought of Capitalism, you'd have gotten a blank stare. The term Capitalism was coined to contrast with Communism.
What is called Captialism is just the way the world worked.
It's still just the way the world works.

But when Rightists start defending Capitalism, they don't defend the way economies work. They are defending Usury, crony capitalism and regulatory capture.
None of which have anything to do with captialism per se.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 01, 2017 10:35 PM  

Modern "capitalism" for example, doesn't require capital. The money is all borrowed, after being created out of thin air. That's not capital. Capital is savings.
When corporations do save money up, they are either bought out and liquidated, or they buy up a money-losing company to use up the money.
.

Anonymous Clay August 01, 2017 10:46 PM  

Markku wrote:Clay, Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2017.

Via dictionary.com


Thanks, Markku.

My query was un-thought. I should have been more specific, and asked the question in a more specific way.

ie...what is popular? Who decides it?

Anyway...I remember that Finnish dude who was one of the best snipers in history. I tried to Google him. I found the info, but his last name seemed to be...different.

Maybe I'm just stupid....any help?

Blogger dfordoom August 01, 2017 11:04 PM  

@148. Snidely Whiplash

But when Rightists start defending Capitalism, they don't defend the way economies work. They are defending Usury, crony capitalism and regulatory capture.
None of which have anything to do with captialism per se.


On the whole I agree.

Perhaps I should have said, capitalism as it exists and has existed for many decades is cancer.

Anonymous Raker Tooth August 01, 2017 11:14 PM  

OT:
For years, I've wanted to experiment and make traditional Oilcloth for tarps and tool covers, finally got around to it. Read more here:
http://seizeground.net/?page_id=219

Blogger tuberman August 01, 2017 11:16 PM  

Well, there is Wall Street Capitalism, which is a parasite, sucking the life out of Main Street Capitalism, which responds to peoples actual needs and concerns.

Blogger Silly but True August 01, 2017 11:32 PM  

What comes next? Apes. It's classic buddy movie about fatherhood. I figure they could do much worse than cranking that out.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim August 01, 2017 11:35 PM  

The fields are withered and in need of tilling, the chaff must be discard and real seeds planted. The harvest will come.

Blogger tuberman August 01, 2017 11:39 PM  

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Blogger tuberman August 01, 2017 11:41 PM  

154. S but T

"What comes next? Apes. It's classic buddy movie about fatherhood. I figure they could do much worse than cranking that out."

Material of all kinds about fatherhood would be fantastic at this point, only second to modern fairy tales about slaying Globalist dragons.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim August 01, 2017 11:51 PM  

Is Patriotika the answer? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyXoZDf8XWg

Blogger mushroom August 02, 2017 12:04 AM  

@150 Simo Hayha.

Anonymous Anonymous August 02, 2017 12:20 AM  

The Simho Hayha story is one of the wildest stories about a little guy. Crazy stuff...

- Francis

Anonymous Clouseau August 02, 2017 12:29 AM  

There are still some "normal" hero characters in popular genres such as thrillers and mysteries. A few to mention:

The character Bob Lee Swagger in Stephen Hunter's thrillers: Former Marine sniper becomes all-around hero after battling PTSD and alcoholism. In other of Hunter's books, Swagger's father Earl, and also son (I won't reveal his name because it would spoil one of the books), are also heroes. The books mainly span WWII to present, aside from one which re-tells the story of Jack the Ripper (not a part of the Swagger series). And Hunter is both former-Army and a "gun guy," so he doesn't make the mistakes that so many thriller writers make on the technical details about military stuff, weapons, etc.

The character Alex McKnight in Steve Hamilton's mysteries: Former Detroit cop (wounded in gunfight; partner killed) who just wants to run a cabin rental business in the backwoods but gets sucked into one adventure after another.

I don't claim great knowledge about any genre, but I haven't heard of either mysteries or thrillers being over-run by SJWs. There probably are some SJW authors but those genres don't seem very converged.

Is there something about sci-fi and fantasy that make them more susceptible to SJW convergence than other genres? Is it about the greater "community" mindset of the fanbase for SF/F? Or maybe that there is much more conceptual flexibility in SF/F, compared to genres that have more limited, formulaic, sort-of "genre rule sets," related to what the readers expect, and that very flexibility makes the genre more of a soft target for co-optation? Or was the SJW movement into SF/F just an accident of who became editors at which publishers? I'm trying to understand why some aspects of pop culture, such as movies, are more vulnerable to SJW convergence than other aspects, such as thriller novels. Maybe figuring that out could provide clues to defense against SJWs in general.

Blogger The Aardvark August 02, 2017 12:34 AM  

#41

Markku, I see no Spandex there.

Blogger tz August 02, 2017 12:35 AM  

@107 - I remember and wonder at the decay and decadence. But 10 yr olds back then were more responsible than 30somethings today.

@102 (also dc.s) - alt is not great. The current alt does not recapture the discarded image - to use CS Lewis term.

How many times has the alt-right talked about kids? Richard Spencer hasn't mentioned them to my knowledge, "The Right Stuff" either. Occasionally you find a reference to an alt-right woman as mother. Rarer is the reference to well raised children. I find that in the corners that remain of Christendom (paralleling Woods how the Catholic Church saved civilizaiton). I do not find it in generic alt- anything.

@101 Blacklisting? Caws and effect.

@x I'd leave it to beavers but they tend to dam things.

@80 agreed. Gerrold and Niven(?) wrote "The Flying Sourcerers" featuring Willvile and Orbur. Orville is likely to work because it pretends to be comedy.

@72 - and they managed to indicate they were pissed.

@x From Super-hero to Super-ficial. There seems to be an INcredibles sequel that appears good. But these days you never know.

@36 - There's Alabama's "Song of the South". unPC.




OpenID doktorjeep August 02, 2017 1:49 AM  

GenXer checking in.
Pop culture died 35 years too late.

And it's becoming obvious that all this hiding in the past is of no help. All these reboots. I for one have simply refused to watch them...

But let's look at it generationaly, shall we?

The boomers though they were the greatest generation since Adam and Eve. GenX had to live in the shadow of that. But the boomers, as surely as they wrecked the last of good Detroit iron in drunk driving hazes and/or sheer neglect, failed to hold onto their genres as well. Hence disco. How did it go from the 60s to the 70s? Good question.
I remember my english teacher telling us "hey kids, this Ozzy, Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, and all that, been around since you were toddlers".

GenX had nothing except that which was left over. And that left a void for what would happen in 1988.

They made a motion picture of Batman. That was the beginning of the end.

And since a low-trust unstable world that was rising even then has marketers and investors sticking to what worked to the point of mental illness, well you get what you have now.

The generational thing has huge potential. Think about it. Boomers took the cream off the top of the milk and flipped the bucket. GenX had powdered milk but we would get the real thing if we did everything we were told and stopped being so judgemental. Millenials are told there is no milk but milk is racist anyway and they should go eat dry cereal as punishment for their internal racism.

So a dam is going to burst. Think of these scrappy late millenials and GenZ types and the things the more mentally agile ones (the ones who will matter because they earn their money and actually live in the world) will want. Do they want some retread crap from that past that's been done over and over? Unlikely. They are picking up where GenX failed: GenX failed to tell the boomers to stuff their "long live rock" crap. Well the classic rock was not that bad overall. But what is bad now simply does not have traction.
Another way to compare it is this: people go out of their way to restore say a 1970 Camaro. But in 2037 will someone be looking to restore a 1992 Camaro?

Then answer is, they are less likely to care about it than say someone filling diapers in 1970 would care about that '70 Camaro. NOT ONLY because the 1992 was far less exciting.
Because they won't care about cars so much either.

To have a boomer perspective on it, I would say "that would be a bad thing!" but the boomer perspective is that "My values should be everybody's values". As a GenXer having had a train run on his career, prospects, and future thanks to boomerism and boomernomics, but still managed to survive, I can say, if GenZ transcends my values and that of their grandparents then good for them.

I'm almost excited thinking of what new stuff they might come up with, new ideas. Like Treebeard looking forward to the "Young trees. Wild trees" that would repopulate the grounds around Isengard.

It's time for new stuff. Hollywood is dead. The publishers are dead. I hope the best for Castalia house leading the way.

Blogger dfordoom August 02, 2017 2:03 AM  

@161. Clouseau

I don't claim great knowledge about any genre, but I haven't heard of either mysteries or thrillers being over-run by SJWs. There probably are some SJW authors but those genres don't seem very converged.

I gave up on modern crime fiction because it's so PC. So many books about evil men doing evil things because men are evil.

Blogger Dane Prywatne August 02, 2017 4:58 AM  

@doktorjeep

Not really true - GexX created its own culture based on branch that was not used by Boomers - that is games, including computer games.

For GenX there is more to Fallout, Civilization, Duke or Wizardry then to boomer degenerate muzzzic or comic books.

That is new culture .. or you do not understand #gamergate

OpenID doktorjeep August 02, 2017 5:40 AM  

Gamergate.... yes GamerGate.

Gaming was where western man went when they were defeated and routed by the Cathedral. Who could blame them? You have to respect what the leftists accomplished. They actually made men want to play games. The grandfathers and great grandfathers of those men would have pulled a Spanish Revolution 1936 before simply deciding to become a genetic dead end.

But the SJWs just could not leave it alone. Nope. They could not survey the landscape and declare victory and enjoy it. For behold, being incapable of enjoying anything and hence satisfaction coming from "progress" and nothing else, they just had to screw with games.

The rest, as we say is history. I myself was not a hardcore gamer, but I could understand well the sentiment of "screw this just let me play games" (or have some other hobby as not every disenfranchised, disenchanted... just plain dissed .... man was into video games for lack of resources or perhaps other opportunities). I too have had that sentiment. But even while not being a gamer, I just can't bring myself to play a game any more. If I'm not doing something related to "the fight" it just feels pointless.

For me it's too late. I'm not some 22 year old NEET with a shot at progeny and a future. I'm spent. And empty casing on the floor. But I'll be damned to sit by now. I have no other desire (aside from an occasional lay and a beer - I'm not dead) than to see GenZ crush boomerism and see the last of their works burn in the fires of comeuppance for what they have done. GenZ has my sword.

Blogger John rockwell August 02, 2017 6:08 AM  

@d.c sunsets

Not to mention. That real alt-architecture is BEAUTIFUL. And not MODERNIST ABOMINATIONS.

It is meant to rival the Catherine Palace in Russia and Versailles in France.

Blogger Feather Blade August 02, 2017 6:37 AM  

Markku wrote:Dumbo is "problematic" because the boss crow is called Jim Crow.

XD That's amusing. And here I thought it would have been because of the under-age elephant having drunken hallucinations.

dfordoom wrote:The "classics" aren't always as innocent as we think. We need to be a bit selective in celebrating the classics.

No one who has actually read and understood "the Classics" thinks they're innocent. The method of presentation does make a difference, however. One doesn't realize just how ribald "Romeo and Juliet" is until one sees it performed live.

Anonymous Joe Author August 02, 2017 8:50 AM  

Each generation believes that when they were growing up, their period of time was markedly better than their parents generation. Moreover, the older generation laments about the cultural decadence of the newer generation. No different than on this particular thread. Furthermore, each generation finds a way to appreciate the past, whether it be fixing an old car, watching old movies, or reading old books.

In the end, people will read what they want to read, write what they want to write, create what they want to create.

Blogger dfordoom August 02, 2017 9:15 AM  

@166. Dane Prywatne

For GenX there is more to Fallout, Civilization, Duke or Wizardry then to boomer degenerate muzzzic or comic books.

Comic books were always pretty degenerate and they were infected by SJW stuff right from the beginning, even way back in the 1940s, long before the Boomers. They're a product of the worst generations in history, the Greatest Generation and the Silent Generation.

I agree on the degeneracy of the music although that degeneracy began, once again, with the Silent Generation. Rock'n'roll was degenerate right from the start. But then jazz was degenerate as well.

The degeneracy of American pop culture was firmly established by the 1950s, if not earlier.

Blogger dfordoom August 02, 2017 9:20 AM  

@167. doktorjeep

GenZ has my sword.

Your faith in GenZ is touching. I suspect they'll turn out to be the most moronic, most oppressive and most SJW-infested generation in history. Just think about the kind of indoctrination they're getting from the schools, the media, pop culture. You think they're going to rebel? They're going to be so feminised and so pussified that they'll submit to anything.

Anonymous Athor Pel August 02, 2017 10:24 AM  

" 50. Blogger Quilp August 01, 2017 4:19 PM
...
They have nowhere to go, yes- pop culture is dying. Thank God. "



Pop culture is not dying. The narrative control of pop culture is being lost. The parasites have used up the current crop of symbols. The facade of truth that the children of the lie hide behind is becoming dangerously thin.

Pop culture will always be with us because it's organic to humanity. Whether we, as mass media receptacles since we were infants, recognize it as such is something else.

In the effort to separate humanity from Christ our earthly masters have done a wonderful job of iconoclasm. All of our idols have been systematically co opted, delegitimized and/or demonized. This was done in order to substitute progressive globalist idols in their place.

Mighty white of them to make our final choice so stark.

___

"127. Blogger Cail Corishev August 01, 2017 8:07 PM
...
Amazing how the indoctrination has taken hold."



Until they all get taken out, strangled and dumped in the swamp.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 02, 2017 10:26 AM  

Joe Author wrote:In the end, people will read what they want to read, write what they want to write, create what they want to create.
No, in the end, people will read what is published, write what will get published and create what they are lauded for creating.

You don't seem to know people very well.

Anonymous MIG August 02, 2017 11:17 AM  

Russia can still do great art in the traditional vein. Here is a completely new ballet, " Hero of Our Time: new story, choreography, music. Beautiful!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6d90QV3YcU

Anonymous Joe Author August 02, 2017 2:42 PM  

"No, in the end, people will read what is published, write what will get published and create what they are lauded for creating. You don't seem to know people very well."

People will read what is published of their own free will; write what they want and publish it for their own amusement or for profit, either on the Internet or by major book producers; and create what they choose to create, not necessarily being concerned if they are lauded or lambasted.

Next time, be more accurate. Indeed, I don't know people well, I just know them all too well.

Anonymous Raker Tooth August 02, 2017 6:24 PM  

OT: Traditions; got my clay pipe in the mail today, it's what Americans smoked tobacco in during the 18th & 19th centuries. More details at:
http://seizeground.net/?page_id=227

Blogger dfordoom August 02, 2017 8:27 PM  

174. Snidely Whiplash

No, in the end, people will read what is published, write what will get published and create what they are lauded for creating.

Yes, you're absolutely correct.

What people want is irrelevant. That's been the case for at least a century. Pop culture is not spontaneously created by the people. Pop culture is manufactured and marketed by corporations for their own interests. That's how our current version of capitalism works, and has worked for the past century or so. Popular culture is what the elites think we should get.

Blogger James Dixon August 02, 2017 9:52 PM  

Song of the south.... appears to be on archive.org

It's on Pirate Bay too.

> (I didn't get the joke at first either.)

Seemed obvious to me. Probably the phrasing.

> How many people know "The Lion King" is actually Hamlet

"The Lion King" is a complete rip off of "Kimba the White Lion": https://infogalactic.com/info/Kimba_the_White_Lion

Anonymous Joe Author August 02, 2017 9:59 PM  

"What people want is irrelevant."

No, the people know exactly what they want, as they write, create, and produce it.

"Pop culture is not spontaneously created by the people."

Pop culture is the result of people taking old ideas and using their new ideas. Sometimes it is planned, sometimes it is off the cuff, sometimes it pays homage, sometimes it is original.

"Pop culture is manufactured and marketed by corporations for their own interests."

Absolutely, in some cases.

"Popular culture is what the elites think we should get."

You are giving way too much credit to the elites.

Blogger Daniel August 03, 2017 6:24 AM  

Another gog fan here!

Blogger secondskin August 04, 2017 7:46 PM  

Holy crap this Joe Author idiot is back. I'm a sometime lurker, and I've noticed this spergwad spamming his same crybaby comments all over this site. The SAME damn one, literally. No one ever seems to tell him to stick it where it belongs, so here I am. Hey Joe boy, why is it you sound so certain of yourself and at the same time so paranoid that people want to take away your cartoons? If you're not worried, then stop wasting people's time. Even if you are, stop wasting people's time. Clown.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 04, 2017 10:00 PM  

No one ever seems to tell him to stick it where it belongs

Monomaniacs are easy to ignore.

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